I don't have T1 , but I have one Flsun S1 and one Bambu P1s .When I need to print complex multi-color models, I fire up my P1S. When I'm printing larger models like helmets, I usually use the S1. I absolutely love my P1s and S1 .
Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Also lying about the specs is such an annoying trend in the industry. While I do understand that they practically have to due to all the competition doing that, it would be nice to see a company shirk that trend
All in all this printer is actually great, and competetive in price. It's just the proper setting of expectations that damaged its reputation, together with the FLSUN S1. It is already great at 600-800mm/s, so idk why they need to overpromise 1000mm/s it is already great at 40mm³/s, and this is with a generic non special brass nozzle, so why overpromise with 90mm For reference, this printer is $540 here in the Philippines. The K1C is $550, and the P1S is sadly $800 (without AMS). Great deal, but no go for me as FLSUN gave me trust issues.
This is a really great point, and it's frustrating how much exaggerating most printer manufacturers are doing. The particularly sad thing is that they almost have to now because every manufacturer is doing it. Seeing it rip the first print off the bed is deeply concerning. Especially when it's turned down almost halfway from the listed specs
There's been rather negative reviews about the Flsun S1, especially regarding the flow rate claims and positional accuracy and it's repeatability. It would have been nice to see at least some testing about that, like a torture toaster or a few repeated and measured prints. Does this printer have the same hotend setup as the S1 (looks like it)? And how reliable is when it comes to printing dimensions and accuracy? How does speed affect this?
I've had my T1 for 3 weeks now, everything is fine except about 80 decibels of noise, and it's super fast; FLsun tells me they are working on noise optimization.
These new FLSUN printers def have flaws, but watching the infill go that fast is wild. The really exposed nozzle is not great. The printhead falling on a failure is also a poor behavior. I think 60mm³/s is more realistic for a constant flow rate, but it is impressive you got as high as you did. Gonna vary wildly by filament and settings, but being able to attain reasonable quality at extreme flow rates is what really matters. The 32mm³/s with PETG is impressive and the way it handles TPU is very nice too. Your airflow and sound mods are super cool! Better performance and wow so much quieter. Why can't companies do this better out of the box? I think the T1 makes way more sense for the money than the S1.
Ive seen alot of reviews of this printer. Ive been in the 3d printing hobby for over 5 years. My 1st printer was a diy 3ku delta. I'm basically watching to determine your honesty reviewing printers you didnt buy.
And what did you conclude? I am on the fence about him which is a shame as his other stuff is very good. But in this review he seems way, way too afraid to talk honestly. There's this whole sense of finding excuses for FLSun when in reality he should flat out be calling their BS and then tested what speeds the printer can actually do good prints at. But I guess he's too afraid to be left out next time freebies are given out. It's one way to kill your reputation fast. But it happens when creators want to grow faster and be given the latest things to review, so they can get the clicks when they publish early. But over time, it only gives manufacturers more and more power over reviewers. And if the shill gets tired of shilling and speaks up, there's always another channel with less integrity or more bills to pay that will happily take over...
@@AntiVaganza I basically agree with you. He's walking a fine line. Although he does criticize the printers faults, he does it in a way that's apologetic like hes trying to not offend the manufacturer. Its down right dishonest and shady to call the travel speed the print speed. And its too loud which he does mention. Hes also right about the fan design. Overall the main selling point of the printer's print speed is a lie, Nero does a better job of being honest about this fact.
I would love it, if you could show Pressung advanced calibration with a 0.6 mm cht nozzle at higher speed, and let us see a testprint after calibration
In all honesty, it seems as though this printer would be able to reach its said limits if it had a better extruder/hotbed combination. I would love if you’d explore this option with this printer. Understanding its price tag, the hot end should not be the limiting factor, solid motion system though!
Hey, i love your videos but i would really apprerciate doeing your print tests with other then withe color. White filament is so forgiving and its way harder to see any imperfections etc.
Another TH-camr Nero3d just turned the cpap fan upside down in the case and it sucks air from the chamber. Also reduces the noise considerably. You might like to try that?
"Blow Master" 😂 that's funny on several levels. Well done creating solutions to flsun's noise cpap, they got their money's worth sending you a machine.
Always neat to see what people come up with for tests for these things; wondering if you did similar tests for your KE that you did a bunch of mod videos for 🤔
huh. so it's pretty clear the marketing is only for motion capability of individual parts instead of usable settings as an actual printer. the reason that they did the former is obvious. but what is also clear is they couldn't even have done the latter. i am convinced they don't even know what the actual printer is capable of, otherwise they would have already had the profiles ready, which they didn't. i mean, they make their own printer and make their own filament. the speed profile should have been ready on day 1. of course FLSUN is not the only one guilty of this. Sovol also released SV08 without proper profiles and left the YT creators with that uncompensated job. we shouldn't be rewarding companies for doing things like this. you certainly went above and beyond for the community, for that you have our thanks. to me having to run the nozzle way above desired temp clearly a sign of underpowered heater and overcooling of the nozzle, both technically fixable but not without paying extra. i would not accept having to run 280C simply because there is a 50C delta between reported and actual nozzle exit temp. that is just ridiculous and only useful for meaningless one time feats like a speed benchy or a vase mode print. tldr; 40cumm/s, infill and travel: 18k mm/s2, 900 m,/s
on your cooling duct four-way redesign: I wonder what would happen if you pointed those air spouts slightly to the right of center so when the four air streams collide, they form a vortex. Could that make cooling more efficient?
a upgraded bambu p1s or x1c with a 80W heater cartridge and cht like 0.6 nozzle is also quite capable at 60mm³/s, and at least its accurate and more silent
the factory duct is designed to spread srea to a larger area because no auxiliary cooling fan and the head doesn't stay in one spot long enough for a tightly directed duct
I like the review. This printer is on my list of alternatives to Bambulab Printers. If it does print without any hassle. Oooooh and a print quality comparison would be awsome. :D
Just want to confirm-- why is that? The speed actually had me quite interested, but in case there are any important reasons to reconsider, or to consider another option, I'd love to hear your thoughts.
@@MisterB123the printers have tons of issues. Firmware will likely fix it, but you're never going to hit the S1's claims. T1 is a better choice, but I'd still buy a few lower cost machines over this. More printers is faster than one.
He's hitting the kill switch which disables all motors and heaters. Correct way would be to turn off the heaters and home it. These robots don't come with brakes. The motors hold the effector in place.
I like this printer but what keeps me from getting it is the plate design, they need a square design, then i would get it. The circle build plate just makes me feel like I’m being cheated out of size….🤷🏽♂️… maybe I’m tripping
Great video. These companies are so focused on speed rather than quality, I rather have a slower printer that performs consistently vs a very fast printer that you might get a good print😅
9:20 that looks like it is failing due to high/low spots (or backlash in the gantry at those speeds). I suspect high/low more, because it isn't mattering if it's going left or right while extruding, it's messing up in the same general 'regions', which seems like they might just have a non-ideal z-offset, make a new bed mesh while at full temp, or lay down a uniform starting layer to adhere to first? Also you said 'fast and accurate' Clough42 had notable discrepancies in certain X/Y that were enough to break alignments, seeing as how this is using IK, did you measure things in that regard?
Thanks for the video. From what I have seen no one has been able to reproduce those speeds. And when flsun was asked they did not seem to understand how flow is measured. Or as some have said they lied about it. Either way, it is disappointing. I still like the 2 printers but their marketing team made quite a few mistakes. And I also hope they continue to work on the software and hope they add better profiles in orca and drop their slicer. Companies should stop trying to modify slicers and just add good profiles for the current slicers
Those were all reviews of the S1, not the T1. He also was not able to reach the claimed flow rates or max speeds while printing, as shown in the video. FLSUN definitely performed inaccurate testing as they seemingly didn't understand their own method or just decided to lie.
I think we're going to see more CPAP fans come in as the go-to, there is some good potential here, but the sound is a problem, so I'd like to also focus on where we're placing the air, blasting it against the nozzle isn't ideal right now unless there is a new sock that covers it better, so could be arrange the ductwork around it?
@@NeedItMakeIt CPAP fans are a good way to go if you need to overcome high static pressure, and if they're trying to move enough air to accomplish parts AND Heat-break cooling in an enclosed space while getting the mass of the fan off the effector, I kinda get why they went that way but the problem is they're using the cheapest off-the-shelf solution they can find. There are blowers that can meet the spec with a fraction of the noise but they cost a bit more because of better motors and better manufacturing tolerances. If they're optimizing BOM, the compromise they chose is probably the most sensible corner to cut, but it's clear that not a lot of thought went into it's design. Nero moved the fan into the case and had a similar noise reduction but didn't optimise the ducting for flow like you did. With the right blower and a combination of your approaches I bet it could be no louder than a non CPAP.
There is a slight problem in your testing methodology. Most filament manufacturers use Titanium Dioxide as the pigment for white filament. Unlike other colors, Titanium Dioxide causes a multitude of issues with fast, high flow rate printing. First, it makes the filament need to be run hotter. second, it's actually VERY slightly abrasive. not abrasive to the point that glow-in-the-dark, CF, or GF filaments are, but still abrasive nonetheless. I'd re-run your tests in a colored filament or black, and see if you get any better results.
Love your videos. Will you finish the SE/KE rails adapter project? I made a pretty cool adapter/baseplate combo adapter that fits your linear rail system. On Printables... Mind having a look and trying it out? I'd love your feedback. Anyways. Keep up the great work. You really sound like you found your passion. It shows 👍
9:50 bed leveling. Or it mesh. Don’t you have to set bed every print or something. This is like. 0.9 software release. Then need to do 1.0 before releasing and then consumer should wait till service pack 1 before jumping in haha
LOL, my hope is that they'll be able to fix it, ideally they'd have a slot instead of a butt connection, this would allow the space and any tolerance issues wouldn't be a problem. I really don't like the dark panels on any of my printers, I think I may end up replacing them with something that absorbs sound better and doesn't reflect sooo much!
@@NeedItMakeItI’m surprised people are not commenting on the added ventilation of your “filming” setup and how advantageous it was to the printer. All ribbing aside, why not use liquid cooling for the hot end, that way you don’t rob heat from the printer by forcing outside air in? I suppose this only matters with engineering grade filaments, but I don’t get why anyone would want a delta unless they’re making tall vases or other round-ish objects or (more likely) after the benefit of the heated chamber (see Prusa). Ultimately, this is a way around the patents for steppers outside build chambers… why is that not talked about? Is that no longer true?
I'm happy to make more videos, I tried to cover what I thought would be the most important, but I'm not always right on the mark, but I will certainly try to provide anyone with the info they're looking for. To answer your question. The print quality is quite good. PETG seems a bit funny, it likes to show every little imperfection with that sheen, and I was seeing these little consistent artifacts with PETG, but not with ABS or PLA, I still have to wonder if PETG printing is different because it adheres to the nozzle to resist moves more. Long-term is something that I wonder about, there are springs on the machine to keep the Effector positioned correctly, so it should be good, but only time will tell, I follow up in 6 months would be a good idea!
How dare you say deltas are faster than coreXY! 😜 Seriously though, print quality at speed is just one aspect of a printer. And I expect for most people it's actually lower on the priority list than ease of use. So a review covering that aspect of the printer would be great. I think the FLSUN is not likely to come out on top in that comparison. It will be interesting to see over the next months if the T1 becomes your go to printer or just starts collecting dust. That's the ultimate review. I hope you'll post another video with a detailed review of visual quality and dimensional accuracy vs speed. Also compare to other commercially available, pre-built high speed printers, e.g. Bambu, Qidi, Creality. My preference for test models is for complex functional prints. If a printer can do a good job maintaining tight tolerances and high surface quality on a complex functional print, it can handle any model. I'm so tired of seeing benchies and vase-mode prints in reviews. Any contemporary printer should be able to print an excellent quality benchy in under 45min these days (speedboats are fun for tuning speed mods and youtube, but that's not what I use my printers for).
Absolutely! A printer review done correctly is quite labor intensive, that's one of the reasons I've been testing it for now 5 weeks, I've had good success so far, but there is the long term, and overtime how does any wear affect the performance. Customer service and replacement parts and printers in some cases as well. Time will tell! I think there is lots of potential here, they could have done a bit more, especially in the noise area.
@@NeedItMakeIt I do a lot of modding and testing on my printers (and on friends' printers) so I'm familiar with how much time that takes. And that's only half the job you do - the other half is the documentation and video creation. Nice work on both BTW. I think my favorite vids of yours are those where you bring in concepts from joinery, etc. I got my 1st printer (a rostock max delta) back in 2014 and wish I had known some the joinery methods you showed us for many of my past projects. My future ones will benefit from them - thanks for your hard work!
My guess for flow was 35 😂 There's no way your test was actually 50-90. Motion is way too slow for flow to be that high. Can you clarify what lw/lh and kinematic speed you used for the flow test?
I have a lot of experience with FLSun printers, modifying them, and printing at very high speeds, accelerations, and flows. This printer is amazing in its capability, but the maximum limits are not what you can print reliably at. I’d imagine in the best case scenario with a high speed PLA you could run a flow of 60mm3/s at 24k acceleration around 600mm/s. This is best case scenario. In comparison to my highly modified Super Racer, designed for speed, the S1 is about 30% faster. That’s a fantastic achievement. To put it in perspective, my super racer is a Bowden, the S1 is direct. The quality difference at speed is big. So 30% faster than the fastest modified SuperRacer and better quality. Just bad marketing.
Man, the "you decide" is a scapegoat for not calling the manufacturer for blatantly lying in the marketing. Okey, yes, its faster than most and that's good, but its their work to market that, not yours. And they are lying. Being lukewarm is suspicious at minimum and IMHO it's not worth to jeopardize your reputation for that. I keep supporting your channel with peanuts because i do believe in you.
there are 3 groups of reviewers, those who are qualified to do proper reviews but who know FLSUN is bullshitting and openly refuse to review it, those are qualified to do proper reviews who do not judge and just report the data for you to decide, and the shills. there are plenty from Group 1 and 3 but few in Grp 2, for which this channel so far is qualifying. i would argue that this channel here is one of few doing the community a proper service with regards to this printer.
@@suivzmoi I would argue that when you leave quite a few hings unsaid as he did you are bordering a move to shill territory... Yes, he does a good service. E.g. offering print profiles but why not spell out how wrong it is that an 800 bucks printer comes with hardly any/shitty ones? Also, the speed claims are such BS and instead of calling that out, he makes it sound like it's ok that they may just have meant "rapids" (move speed). Which is not OK as no one talks about those. Pretty much everyone who sees the specs will assume they mean print speed. Everything else, almost, was said and not shown. We were told it can do dimensionally accurate prints and good/OK quality but he hardly showed any examples. No torture/tolerance tests. Why not print the same parts on the printers it's really competing with and showing us the results. Give us some visuals on what price is paid for the speed he settled on if any? I really respect the rest of his work but this one left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. Just too much left unsaid. I truly think he should not review products if he can't ungag himself. Yes, I shit on FLSun, but they deserve it. That said, I am a hypocrite and will buy an SR and pimp it once I find a good deal on one.
At this point - you're rather late to the game - pretty much every reviewer who isn't a total shill has concluded that the S1 and T1 printers are capable of roughly half the advertised specs reliably. 800 to 1000-ish mm/s actual speed only during travel. It appears to be possible to make it work at 500mm/s with certain filaments, but layer adhesion is the limiting factor and if you don't want your prints to be brittle as hell, you can't really print any 'faster' with this machine than with any other anyway. Acceleration is what reduces print times and that's kinda the only advantage these new printers have over older models. Not worth it for the money imo.
Awesome review I've been waiting to see this printer cause I'm more interested in this one than the S1, great job as usual................. The best choice for the first reviewer of this printer IMO.
1 fan for both part cooling and heatsink is so stupid. Means high temp materials are out. Cpap inlet should be taking air from inside. Flsun keeps stealing ideas from open source community, and doing it wrong. I'm confused why you'd want to shill this hot mess. They lie about max flow rate, max height (try to print to max advertised height). Design of the air ducts is just bad, putting a muffler on the inlet decreases air flow, what's the point? I run cpap on several of my machines, never need to run it above 60% because I actually designed non restrictive air ducts, and angle air flow at the print not the nozzle, and never had a single temp error even during testing at 300c and 100% air flow. Bad design is bad design, no matter what your commission is.
TL-DR All the content that doesn't have a manufacturer involved is amazing, honestly some of the best out there. But... if you can't do a gear review without gagging yourself, then perhaps don't do them at all? The Long Version Honestly, together with the overall tone of this, I now think there's a somewhat worrying lack of "real" prints shown. I think you call them OK or decent later in the video but not showing any. It reminds my of how camera reviews went to shit years ago when the creators got too afraid to be kicked off of the freebie wagon so you had to read between the lines and notice what was unsaid. If battery life wasn't mentioned at all, it meant it was shit, bad plasticky build quality would be hailed as lightweight etc, etc. E.g. no torture tests here. You say it's great for dimensional accuracy but you don't show it. Just you trying your best to make it print as fast as it says it can, and then when it can't then going out of your way to not tell them off on those claims. Overall, I think you actually come off as giving them way too much benefit of the doubt. Like the whole S1 debacle didn't happen. You gloss over the fact that an 800 bucks printer comes with hardly any profiles and instead mention you will upload yours. So, yes, you offer solutions but you repeatedly don't spell out why you need to do so... You seem a afraid of actually using the word "no". As in when you ask whether it can print at the rated speeds or flow rate and instead of saying flat out no, you talk about how it may be able to do other speeds. And why would you not call out the BS speed claim and instead talk about how perhaps they meant non-print moving speed? No one ever who looks at the specs would think it's not print speed. You know this, so why try to find a back door for them? Call them out and then go about your testing and you may have found that it's still a very decent printer. Just one from a company who doesn't know how to not lie.
These printers are just for spec sheet box ticking and statistics. The print quality and actual machine itself is basically garbage. It cannot achieve what it claims unless under extremely specific scenarios and with specific kinds of filament only. Even then, the part quality is still going to be inferior.
I think you were way to forgiving to FLSUN for lying in their marketing material. If the independent media doesn't prevent corporations from lying they'll keep doing it to mislead consumers. I understand you like the unique parts to this machine but I feel your title 'This NEW Printer BLOWS the Competition Away' misleads your viewers and is overall a negative. You're recommended values are less than half the claims and yet you feel this in the right direction. I think you've gone in the wrong direction with this product review.
I've come across quite a few comments like yours, and it's clear that he's giving a fair assessment based on his own experience with the printer. As for you, I'm willing to bet you've never actually used this printer. You're just surfing the net, getting swayed by a handful of opinions, and then irrationally bashing anyone who speaks positively about it with your keyboard. It's really laughable.
I'm more of an optimist I suppose, I see a lot of potential here. I don't accept any payment for any reviews. I made the video in this format because I wanted to answer what I thought were the most important questions, sometimes I don't hit the mark right on, but that's life. As far as your implication in your last statement, you're welcome to believe whatever you like.
I like your other video's, but in this one you are just glossing over the facts. The claims made are "not real world" to put it kindly, or "just plain lies" to put it frankly. Your title is nothing more than clickbait. At this price we expect a properly developed and practical machine, the fact that you are modifying it mid review confirms it's not the above. As noted by other comments on this channel, and other reviews, the print quality is sub standard. Time to "tell it like it is" rather than endorse a dud!
Sorry you feel that way. The title is a joke, it is a play on words, I guess you need to watch the video to see what I mean, due to the issues with the blower.
I am still using the T1, and I've been quite happy with it, I'll have some more videos coming soon to go over the results of the quality as well, that seems to be something people would like to see.
@@NeedItMakeItdo you have a video about current printers guy recommend? Or do you give such advice on discord? You make a lot of GREAT videos on the Z1-Max and help mitigate many problems, but I can’t tell if you even like that printer.
Shill video. Jfc this is clearly a chunk of crap. Why would you praise something so much that never gives you a viable print and even at lower speeds isn't producing something of value. Downvoted for the title alone.
When did he shill? He straight up says many of the claims are not accurate. He also never says you should buy it, just that it has high speed and acceleration. This also clearly was not a comprehensive review of every single feature. The printer is clearly capable of viable prints, if you watched the video, including at high speed. He is sharing his personal experience and literally nothing he said is inaccurate, or can you refute that? Perhaps your bias is strongest in this situation. I'm not a fan of how FLSUN has handled the S1/T1 launch, but this video isn't the problem.
@@notsonominal What clickbait? This is some of the most nonsense free content on TH-cam. I watch TONS of 3DP channels and this is one of the most information focused and fluff free by far. You're upset because you hate FLSUN and that's fine, but there's nothing wrong with this video.
Heating a spool of filament over night to a specific temperature is not "drying"! All that boxed dryers are concept failures. They heat up, a bit of moisture goes from filament into the air .... and stays there! As there is not permanent air exchange from hot wet to cold dry air, there is no real dry procedure. (open the box every 5 min for a few hours). So your filament never gets real dry ....
@@riba2233 maybe some newer learned how physics work and RELEASE (not recirculate) the wet air to the outside and replace with dry cold (and dry) air - havent seen any yet within some printer reviews, but that one from FLSUN he used here doesnt look like that.
thank you for running actual tests on their speed claims
You will be super delighted to learn that flsun reuploaded the less unflattering portion of your review to their channel.
I don't have T1 , but I have one Flsun S1 and one Bambu P1s .When I need to print complex multi-color models, I fire up my P1S. When I'm printing larger models like helmets, I usually use the S1. I absolutely love my P1s and S1 .
Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Also lying about the specs is such an annoying trend in the industry. While I do understand that they practically have to due to all the competition doing that, it would be nice to see a company shirk that trend
All in all this printer is actually great, and competetive in price. It's just the proper setting of expectations that damaged its reputation, together with the FLSUN S1.
It is already great at 600-800mm/s, so idk why they need to overpromise 1000mm/s
it is already great at 40mm³/s, and this is with a generic non special brass nozzle, so why overpromise with 90mm
For reference, this printer is $540 here in the Philippines. The K1C is $550, and the P1S is sadly $800 (without AMS).
Great deal, but no go for me as FLSUN gave me trust issues.
This is a really great point, and it's frustrating how much exaggerating most printer manufacturers are doing. The particularly sad thing is that they almost have to now because every manufacturer is doing it. Seeing it rip the first print off the bed is deeply concerning. Especially when it's turned down almost halfway from the listed specs
"highs and lows, fast and slows". Sounds like a title of a song about life. 🤣
There's been rather negative reviews about the Flsun S1, especially regarding the flow rate claims and positional accuracy and it's repeatability. It would have been nice to see at least some testing about that, like a torture toaster or a few repeated and measured prints.
Does this printer have the same hotend setup as the S1 (looks like it)? And how reliable is when it comes to printing dimensions and accuracy? How does speed affect this?
Yes it's fast.. But how is the quality of the prints? How are the walls , details , overhangs etc.
someone else turned the CPAP blower around so it was pulling air from inside the enclosure which helped sound and cooling if i recall :)
I've had my T1 for 3 weeks now, everything is fine except about 80 decibels of noise, and it's super fast; FLsun tells me they are working on noise optimization.
Lol… that first run had me cracking up…😂😂
These new FLSUN printers def have flaws, but watching the infill go that fast is wild. The really exposed nozzle is not great. The printhead falling on a failure is also a poor behavior. I think 60mm³/s is more realistic for a constant flow rate, but it is impressive you got as high as you did. Gonna vary wildly by filament and settings, but being able to attain reasonable quality at extreme flow rates is what really matters. The 32mm³/s with PETG is impressive and the way it handles TPU is very nice too. Your airflow and sound mods are super cool! Better performance and wow so much quieter. Why can't companies do this better out of the box? I think the T1 makes way more sense for the money than the S1.
Ive seen alot of reviews of this printer. Ive been in the 3d printing hobby for over 5 years. My 1st printer was a diy 3ku delta. I'm basically watching to determine your honesty reviewing printers you didnt buy.
And what did you conclude? I am on the fence about him which is a shame as his other stuff is very good. But in this review he seems way, way too afraid to talk honestly. There's this whole sense of finding excuses for FLSun when in reality he should flat out be calling their BS and then tested what speeds the printer can actually do good prints at.
But I guess he's too afraid to be left out next time freebies are given out. It's one way to kill your reputation fast. But it happens when creators want to grow faster and be given the latest things to review, so they can get the clicks when they publish early.
But over time, it only gives manufacturers more and more power over reviewers. And if the shill gets tired of shilling and speaks up, there's always another channel with less integrity or more bills to pay that will happily take over...
@@AntiVaganza I basically agree with you. He's walking a fine line. Although he does criticize the printers faults, he does it in a way that's apologetic like hes trying to not offend the manufacturer. Its down right dishonest and shady to call the travel speed the print speed. And its too loud which he does mention. Hes also right about the fan design. Overall the main selling point of the printer's print speed is a lie, Nero does a better job of being honest about this fact.
@@nuroo1 Exactly, slippery slope. One step more in this direction and he slides into ShillLand...:(
My T1 still needs a week, thank you for sharing
Great review !
Interesting product but it looks unfinished for me. We will see in few months.
I would love it, if you could show Pressung advanced calibration with a 0.6 mm cht nozzle at higher speed, and let us see a testprint after calibration
Very good review and well detailed...
Thank you
Where can we find the 2 STL files that you have mentioned?
Hi there, I have some links in the description of the video, check them out and hopefully that gives you what you need!
@@NeedItMakeIt Thank you very much !!!
In all honesty, it seems as though this printer would be able to reach its said limits if it had a better extruder/hotbed combination. I would love if you’d explore this option with this printer. Understanding its price tag, the hot end should not be the limiting factor, solid motion system though!
Hey, i love your videos but i would really apprerciate doeing your print tests with other then withe color. White filament is so forgiving and its way harder to see any imperfections etc.
hi, have you tried any ABS prints on that machine? If yes, then how did it turn out? Thanks.
Another TH-camr Nero3d just turned the cpap fan upside down in the case and it sucks air from the chamber. Also reduces the noise considerably. You might like to try that?
I wonder if we are hitting material limits. The printer can do it. Now we need filaments that can do it.
"Blow Master" 😂 that's funny on several levels. Well done creating solutions to flsun's noise cpap, they got their money's worth sending you a machine.
Always neat to see what people come up with for tests for these things; wondering if you did similar tests for your KE that you did a bunch of mod videos for 🤔
huh. so it's pretty clear the marketing is only for motion capability of individual parts instead of usable settings as an actual printer. the reason that they did the former is obvious. but what is also clear is they couldn't even have done the latter. i am convinced they don't even know what the actual printer is capable of, otherwise they would have already had the profiles ready, which they didn't. i mean, they make their own printer and make their own filament. the speed profile should have been ready on day 1. of course FLSUN is not the only one guilty of this. Sovol also released SV08 without proper profiles and left the YT creators with that uncompensated job. we shouldn't be rewarding companies for doing things like this.
you certainly went above and beyond for the community, for that you have our thanks. to me having to run the nozzle way above desired temp clearly a sign of underpowered heater and overcooling of the nozzle, both technically fixable but not without paying extra. i would not accept having to run 280C simply because there is a 50C delta between reported and actual nozzle exit temp. that is just ridiculous and only useful for meaningless one time feats like a speed benchy or a vase mode print.
tldr; 40cumm/s, infill and travel: 18k mm/s2, 900 m,/s
you are right, it faster than only off the shelf printers, my voron 2.4 can do 1200mm/s 100k accel
@15:42 "It's Megamaid, Sir!!! She's gone from...."
on your cooling duct four-way redesign: I wonder what would happen if you pointed those air spouts slightly to the right of center so when the four air streams collide, they form a vortex. Could that make cooling more efficient?
Hi there! What is the mains voltage in your area? You are the second reviewer that got power-downs… is it 110v or 220v?
I thought that was the T1 in the background on your last video 😂
a upgraded bambu p1s or x1c with a 80W heater cartridge and cht like 0.6 nozzle is also quite capable at 60mm³/s, and at least its accurate and more silent
the factory duct is designed to spread srea to a larger area because no auxiliary cooling fan and the head doesn't stay in one spot long enough for a tightly directed duct
I like the review.
This printer is on my list of alternatives to Bambulab Printers.
If it does print without any hassle. Oooooh and a print quality comparison would be awsome. :D
Me, tuning my Predator
I am absolutely done wasting my time watching FLSUN videos.
Just want to confirm-- why is that? The speed actually had me quite interested, but in case there are any important reasons to reconsider, or to consider another option, I'd love to hear your thoughts.
watch clough42. They literally bought bot comments to offset the not so good look this very printer left in his review...
@@MisterB123 If you want speed watch 247printing he has a custom machine that can achieve rrally high speeds.
FLSUN?
@@MisterB123the printers have tons of issues. Firmware will likely fix it, but you're never going to hit the S1's claims. T1 is a better choice, but I'd still buy a few lower cost machines over this. More printers is faster than one.
Why does the nozzle drop into the print when you stop it? They dont have any kind of brake or clutch system on the belts to prevent it from dropping?
He's hitting the kill switch which disables all motors and heaters. Correct way would be to turn off the heaters and home it. These robots don't come with brakes. The motors hold the effector in place.
Trying to download and print the muffler but there is no file for the little exhaust piece on top, can you share it?
I like this printer but what keeps me from getting it is the plate design, they need a square design, then i would get it. The circle build plate just makes me feel like I’m being cheated out of size….🤷🏽♂️… maybe I’m tripping
Great video. These companies are so focused on speed rather than quality, I rather have a slower printer that performs consistently vs a very fast printer that you might get a good print😅
Ooh nice piece of machine 😁 I will go get myself a baboon lab 😅
9:20 that looks like it is failing due to high/low spots (or backlash in the gantry at those speeds). I suspect high/low more, because it isn't mattering if it's going left or right while extruding, it's messing up in the same general 'regions', which seems like they might just have a non-ideal z-offset, make a new bed mesh while at full temp, or lay down a uniform starting layer to adhere to first?
Also you said 'fast and accurate' Clough42 had notable discrepancies in certain X/Y that were enough to break alignments, seeing as how this is using IK, did you measure things in that regard?
This printer doesn't have a gantry
Where are the links for the custom Fan Duct and Muffler you made?
I apologize, it seems that I had two instances open of the description and the one with the links was not saved. They've been added!
Thanks for the video. From what I have seen no one has been able to reproduce those speeds. And when flsun was asked they did not seem to understand how flow is measured. Or as some have said they lied about it. Either way, it is disappointing. I still like the 2 printers but their marketing team made quite a few mistakes. And I also hope they continue to work on the software and hope they add better profiles in orca and drop their slicer. Companies should stop trying to modify slicers and just add good profiles for the current slicers
Those were all reviews of the S1, not the T1. He also was not able to reach the claimed flow rates or max speeds while printing, as shown in the video. FLSUN definitely performed inaccurate testing as they seemingly didn't understand their own method or just decided to lie.
Nero's solution for the fan was as quiet, but I think a combination of your solutions will maximize flow and minimize sound without a muffler.
I think we're going to see more CPAP fans come in as the go-to, there is some good potential here, but the sound is a problem, so I'd like to also focus on where we're placing the air, blasting it against the nozzle isn't ideal right now unless there is a new sock that covers it better, so could be arrange the ductwork around it?
@@NeedItMakeIt CPAP fans are a good way to go if you need to overcome high static pressure, and if they're trying to move enough air to accomplish parts AND Heat-break cooling in an enclosed space while getting the mass of the fan off the effector, I kinda get why they went that way but the problem is they're using the cheapest off-the-shelf solution they can find. There are blowers that can meet the spec with a fraction of the noise but they cost a bit more because of better motors and better manufacturing tolerances.
If they're optimizing BOM, the compromise they chose is probably the most sensible corner to cut, but it's clear that not a lot of thought went into it's design.
Nero moved the fan into the case and had a similar noise reduction but didn't optimise the ducting for flow like you did.
With the right blower and a combination of your approaches I bet it could be no louder than a non CPAP.
There is a slight problem in your testing methodology. Most filament manufacturers use Titanium Dioxide as the pigment for white filament. Unlike other colors, Titanium Dioxide causes a multitude of issues with fast, high flow rate printing. First, it makes the filament need to be run hotter. second, it's actually VERY slightly abrasive. not abrasive to the point that glow-in-the-dark, CF, or GF filaments are, but still abrasive nonetheless.
I'd re-run your tests in a colored filament or black, and see if you get any better results.
Love your videos. Will you finish the SE/KE rails adapter project? I made a pretty cool adapter/baseplate combo adapter that fits your linear rail system. On Printables... Mind having a look and trying it out? I'd love your feedback. Anyways. Keep up the great work. You really sound like you found your passion. It shows 👍
bonjour j ai mis tous les fichiers dans orca slicer mais la T1 pas proposer :(
9:50 bed leveling. Or it mesh. Don’t you have to set bed every print or something.
This is like. 0.9 software release. Then need to do 1.0 before releasing and then consumer should wait till service pack 1 before jumping in haha
thats not a leveling issue tho
They should include a block plane so you can customize the fit of the panels. Maybe some duct tape too.
LOL, my hope is that they'll be able to fix it, ideally they'd have a slot instead of a butt connection, this would allow the space and any tolerance issues wouldn't be a problem. I really don't like the dark panels on any of my printers, I think I may end up replacing them with something that absorbs sound better and doesn't reflect sooo much!
@@NeedItMakeIt Maybe they should sell this as a kit not a finished product?
@@NeedItMakeItI’m surprised people are not commenting on the added ventilation of your “filming” setup and how advantageous it was to the printer.
All ribbing aside, why not use liquid cooling for the hot end, that way you don’t rob heat from the printer by forcing outside air in? I suppose this only matters with engineering grade filaments, but I don’t get why anyone would want a delta unless they’re making tall vases or other round-ish objects or (more likely) after the benefit of the heated chamber (see Prusa).
Ultimately, this is a way around the patents for steppers outside build chambers… why is that not talked about? Is that no longer true?
This printer is a victim of marketers
This printer is a victim of the people running the company who made this printer.
Would be nice with some talking about print quality vs speed, without quality speed doesent matter.
I'm happy to make more videos, I tried to cover what I thought would be the most important, but I'm not always right on the mark, but I will certainly try to provide anyone with the info they're looking for. To answer your question. The print quality is quite good. PETG seems a bit funny, it likes to show every little imperfection with that sheen, and I was seeing these little consistent artifacts with PETG, but not with ABS or PLA, I still have to wonder if PETG printing is different because it adheres to the nozzle to resist moves more. Long-term is something that I wonder about, there are springs on the machine to keep the Effector positioned correctly, so it should be good, but only time will tell, I follow up in 6 months would be a good idea!
It would be nice to see some actual prints: benchies (not white), vases, functional, detailed...
so where this specialization thing left my Anet A8? Unreliable, only PLA and slow prints?
How dare you say deltas are faster than coreXY! 😜
Seriously though, print quality at speed is just one aspect of a printer. And I expect for most people it's actually lower on the priority list than ease of use. So a review covering that aspect of the printer would be great. I think the FLSUN is not likely to come out on top in that comparison. It will be interesting to see over the next months if the T1 becomes your go to printer or just starts collecting dust. That's the ultimate review.
I hope you'll post another video with a detailed review of visual quality and dimensional accuracy vs speed. Also compare to other commercially available, pre-built high speed printers, e.g. Bambu, Qidi, Creality. My preference for test models is for complex functional prints. If a printer can do a good job maintaining tight tolerances and high surface quality on a complex functional print, it can handle any model. I'm so tired of seeing benchies and vase-mode prints in reviews. Any contemporary printer should be able to print an excellent quality benchy in under 45min these days (speedboats are fun for tuning speed mods and youtube, but that's not what I use my printers for).
Absolutely! A printer review done correctly is quite labor intensive, that's one of the reasons I've been testing it for now 5 weeks, I've had good success so far, but there is the long term, and overtime how does any wear affect the performance. Customer service and replacement parts and printers in some cases as well. Time will tell! I think there is lots of potential here, they could have done a bit more, especially in the noise area.
@@NeedItMakeIt I do a lot of modding and testing on my printers (and on friends' printers) so I'm familiar with how much time that takes. And that's only half the job you do - the other half is the documentation and video creation. Nice work on both BTW. I think my favorite vids of yours are those where you bring in concepts from joinery, etc. I got my 1st printer (a rostock max delta) back in 2014 and wish I had known some the joinery methods you showed us for many of my past projects. My future ones will benefit from them - thanks for your hard work!
I knew it 😂❤
My guess for flow was 35 😂
There's no way your test was actually 50-90. Motion is way too slow for flow to be that high. Can you clarify what lw/lh and kinematic speed you used for the flow test?
The best review! I love you getting the needed details of the actual achiavable flow .
s1 is too pricey anyway
Nice review and nice mods. Maybe the next version of this printer will be spot on.
Yeah you never said if your using the fast pla or not. so all this is not much use.
Would you like to know?
I have a lot of experience with FLSun printers, modifying them, and printing at very high speeds, accelerations, and flows. This printer is amazing in its capability, but the maximum limits are not what you can print reliably at. I’d imagine in the best case scenario with a high speed PLA you could run a flow of 60mm3/s at 24k acceleration around 600mm/s. This is best case scenario. In comparison to my highly modified Super Racer, designed for speed, the S1 is about 30% faster. That’s a fantastic achievement. To put it in perspective, my super racer is a Bowden, the S1 is direct. The quality difference at speed is big. So 30% faster than the fastest modified SuperRacer and better quality. Just bad marketing.
Man, the "you decide" is a scapegoat for not calling the manufacturer for blatantly lying in the marketing. Okey, yes, its faster than most and that's good, but its their work to market that, not yours. And they are lying. Being lukewarm is suspicious at minimum and IMHO it's not worth to jeopardize your reputation for that. I keep supporting your channel with peanuts because i do believe in you.
there are 3 groups of reviewers, those who are qualified to do proper reviews but who know FLSUN is bullshitting and openly refuse to review it, those are qualified to do proper reviews who do not judge and just report the data for you to decide, and the shills. there are plenty from Group 1 and 3 but few in Grp 2, for which this channel so far is qualifying.
i would argue that this channel here is one of few doing the community a proper service with regards to this printer.
@@suivzmoi I would argue that when you leave quite a few hings unsaid as he did you are bordering a move to shill territory...
Yes, he does a good service. E.g. offering print profiles but why not spell out how wrong it is that an 800 bucks printer comes with hardly any/shitty ones?
Also, the speed claims are such BS and instead of calling that out, he makes it sound like it's ok that they may just have meant
"rapids" (move speed). Which is not OK as no one talks about those. Pretty much everyone who sees the specs will assume they mean print speed.
Everything else, almost, was said and not shown. We were told it can do dimensionally accurate prints and good/OK quality but he hardly showed any examples. No torture/tolerance tests. Why not print the same parts on the printers it's really competing with and showing us the results. Give us some visuals on what price is paid for the speed he settled on if any?
I really respect the rest of his work but this one left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. Just too much left unsaid. I truly think he should not review products if he can't ungag himself.
Yes, I shit on FLSun, but they deserve it. That said, I am a hypocrite and will buy an SR and pimp it once I find a good deal on one.
Glass cannon printer. Goes fast, everything else about it is utter trash.
Heard so many bad things about this "marketing promp" printer.... went with Bambu Lab X1C instead
This is the much cheaper T1, not the S1. Still some inaccurate claims, but it's also 1/3 the price.
At this point - you're rather late to the game - pretty much every reviewer who isn't a total shill has concluded that the S1 and T1 printers are capable of roughly half the advertised specs reliably.
800 to 1000-ish mm/s actual speed only during travel.
It appears to be possible to make it work at 500mm/s with certain filaments, but layer adhesion is the limiting factor and if you don't want your prints to be brittle as hell, you can't really print any 'faster' with this machine than with any other anyway. Acceleration is what reduces print times and that's kinda the only advantage these new printers have over older models.
Not worth it for the money imo.
Awesome review I've been waiting to see this printer cause I'm more interested in this one than the S1, great job as usual................. The best choice for the first reviewer of this printer IMO.
1 fan for both part cooling and heatsink is so stupid. Means high temp materials are out. Cpap inlet should be taking air from inside. Flsun keeps stealing ideas from open source community, and doing it wrong. I'm confused why you'd want to shill this hot mess. They lie about max flow rate, max height (try to print to max advertised height). Design of the air ducts is just bad, putting a muffler on the inlet decreases air flow, what's the point? I run cpap on several of my machines, never need to run it above 60% because I actually designed non restrictive air ducts, and angle air flow at the print not the nozzle, and never had a single temp error even during testing at 300c and 100% air flow. Bad design is bad design, no matter what your commission is.
CUBIC-MILLIMETERS per second ffs.
TL-DR
All the content that doesn't have a manufacturer involved is amazing, honestly some of the best out there. But... if you can't do a gear review without gagging yourself, then perhaps don't do them at all?
The Long Version
Honestly, together with the overall tone of this, I now think there's a somewhat worrying lack of "real" prints shown. I think you call them OK or decent later in the video but not showing any.
It reminds my of how camera reviews went to shit years ago when the creators got too afraid to be kicked off of the freebie wagon so you had to read between the lines and notice what was unsaid. If battery life wasn't mentioned at all, it meant it was shit, bad plasticky build quality would be hailed as lightweight etc, etc.
E.g. no torture tests here. You say it's great for dimensional accuracy but you don't show it. Just you trying your best to make it print as fast as it says it can, and then when it can't then going out of your way to not tell them off on those claims.
Overall, I think you actually come off as giving them way too much benefit of the doubt. Like the whole S1 debacle didn't happen. You gloss over the fact that an 800 bucks printer comes with hardly any profiles and instead mention you will upload yours. So, yes, you offer solutions but you repeatedly don't spell out why you need to do so...
You seem a afraid of actually using the word "no". As in when you ask whether it can print at the rated speeds or flow rate and instead of saying flat out no, you talk about how it may be able to do other speeds.
And why would you not call out the BS speed claim and instead talk about how perhaps they meant non-print moving speed? No one ever who looks at the specs would think it's not print speed. You know this, so why try to find a back door for them? Call them out and then go about your testing and you may have found that it's still a very decent printer. Just one from a company who doesn't know how to not lie.
These printers are just for spec sheet box ticking and statistics. The print quality and actual machine itself is basically garbage. It cannot achieve what it claims unless under extremely specific scenarios and with specific kinds of filament only. Even then, the part quality is still going to be inferior.
Damn liars. I'm not buying their products.
Expectations are also customer trust.
I think you were way to forgiving to FLSUN for lying in their marketing material. If the independent media doesn't prevent corporations from lying they'll keep doing it to mislead consumers. I understand you like the unique parts to this machine but I feel your title 'This NEW Printer BLOWS the Competition Away' misleads your viewers and is overall a negative. You're recommended values are less than half the claims and yet you feel this in the right direction. I think you've gone in the wrong direction with this product review.
I've come across quite a few comments like yours, and it's clear that he's giving a fair assessment based on his own experience with the printer. As for you, I'm willing to bet you've never actually used this printer. You're just surfing the net, getting swayed by a handful of opinions, and then irrationally bashing anyone who speaks positively about it with your keyboard. It's really laughable.
The printer has a lot of software errors. It was an absolute bad purchase. How much did FLSUN pay you for your review?
I'm more of an optimist I suppose, I see a lot of potential here. I don't accept any payment for any reviews. I made the video in this format because I wanted to answer what I thought were the most important questions, sometimes I don't hit the mark right on, but that's life. As far as your implication in your last statement, you're welcome to believe whatever you like.
Jesus Christ... please stop talking about "potential" and narrowed down use-cases if it's just not worth it's price.
should be tested with back panels though..
Stop with the bs click bait titles this is a shitty behaviour youtube creators need to stop.
What was click bait? You didn't get the joke? What was shitty behavior? He was pretty even handed in the video. Nobody made you watch.
He changed the click bait title. @@802Garage
flsun needs to stop making printers, this is such a waste of resources x.x
I like your other video's, but in this one you are just glossing over the facts. The claims made are "not real world" to put it kindly, or "just plain lies" to put it frankly.
Your title is nothing more than clickbait.
At this price we expect a properly developed and practical machine, the fact that you are modifying it mid review confirms it's not the above.
As noted by other comments on this channel, and other reviews, the print quality is sub standard.
Time to "tell it like it is" rather than endorse a dud!
Have you used any of their printers? S1? T1? V400? SR?
Sorry you feel that way. The title is a joke, it is a play on words, I guess you need to watch the video to see what I mean, due to the issues with the blower.
I am still using the T1, and I've been quite happy with it, I'll have some more videos coming soon to go over the results of the quality as well, that seems to be something people would like to see.
@@NeedItMakeItdo you have a video about current printers guy recommend? Or do you give such advice on discord? You make a lot of GREAT videos on the Z1-Max and help mitigate many problems, but I can’t tell if you even like that printer.
Shill video.
Jfc this is clearly a chunk of crap. Why would you praise something so much that never gives you a viable print and even at lower speeds isn't producing something of value.
Downvoted for the title alone.
When did he shill? He straight up says many of the claims are not accurate. He also never says you should buy it, just that it has high speed and acceleration. This also clearly was not a comprehensive review of every single feature. The printer is clearly capable of viable prints, if you watched the video, including at high speed. He is sharing his personal experience and literally nothing he said is inaccurate, or can you refute that? Perhaps your bias is strongest in this situation. I'm not a fan of how FLSUN has handled the S1/T1 launch, but this video isn't the problem.
Aw, you had som much other interesting stuff going on. This is a bye-bye.
Clearly it won't be his last video...
@@802Garage with the clickbait on the flsun bs it will be for me. plenty of nonsense free contentent elsewhere.
@@notsonominal What clickbait? This is some of the most nonsense free content on TH-cam. I watch TONS of 3DP channels and this is one of the most information focused and fluff free by far. You're upset because you hate FLSUN and that's fine, but there's nothing wrong with this video.
This printer is junk and this review is sham.
What part was a sham? Did you watch the video? Tell me a single incorrect thing he said.
Heating a spool of filament over night to a specific temperature is not "drying"!
All that boxed dryers are concept failures. They heat up, a bit of moisture goes from filament into the air .... and stays there! As there is not permanent air exchange from hot wet to cold dry air, there is no real dry procedure. (open the box every 5 min for a few hours).
So your filament never gets real dry ....
Wrong, some newer ones recirculate the air.
@@riba2233 maybe some newer learned how physics work and RELEASE (not recirculate) the wet air to the outside and replace with dry cold (and dry) air - havent seen any yet within some printer reviews, but that one from FLSUN he used here doesnt look like that.
First here! Can't wait, love this channel