Joe Weider: I don't give Blacks contracts II Robby arrives in Gold's Gym, Venice
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- Sculpting the best possible physique has been a life long journey. Learning from the best makes this process that much more exciting. Today I had the honor to sit down and talk with the Black Prince of Bodybuilding, Mr. Robby Robinson. He shares his arrival in Los Angeles at the Mecca of Bodybuilding, Golds Gym in Venice and meeting Joe Weider for the first time. Enjoy!
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Folks will listen to him talk about weights, exercises and muscles and take it as gospel but the moment he talks about any type of discrimination he faced it’s dismissed or discredited. He didn’t paint himself as a victim he literally shared a story about how it was a lot of people that helped him on his journey and how one person was ignorant and racist.
I don't know. He always seemed very genuine to me when he speaks.
Read his first book and read Dan Lurie book. They tell some inside stories about Joe. Joe was not a very honest business man and would screw a friend for money and self-fame.
I knew an editor that worked for Muscle Builder & Power. If i were to guess, from the stories he told me, 90% of the article in Joe's magazines were big fish tales or just not true except the contest highlights.
Why are people surprised that people who are ruthless about money are sociopaths.
@@tomlucasrccrawlers9108 The truth is always very interesting, even more so than the lies.
Gee... can't imagine why! Guy juiced himself up and now people believe that he has something to say about weightlifting. Like most of the "greats," he doesn't actually know much about weightlifting. They just lifted weights. A good example of this is Franco - doesn't know how to lift weights properly if it would save his life. Problem is that lifting weights at ALL winds up bringing results. Compound that with steroids and you can get a "champion." Had they lifted properly they'd be even better, but they didn't. Now you look at claims of racism. We all do it... we all make excuses for things. Someone treats you bad it's because of A, B or C. But if you're black, like Robinson, you instantly go to the bogeyman of racism. I mean, WTF? Why would Weider have bothered crowning Oliva if he was this racist? No, Robinson is pissed off that he didn't do better as a bodybuilder just like so many of them are.... but he, unlike a lot of white bodybuilders, can instantly jump to his skin color as the excuse. Not that he sucks, or that he had a bad attitude (which he clearly did). He's a narcissist like so many of them and believed he should have done better. So when he didn't, it was Weider's a racist. No ability to look inwards at his own failings... but that is what Leftist society wants from blacks: a permanent underclass who stays there by being perpetual victims of their own skin color.
Why is this NOW only being talked about 50 years after the FACT?? Weider the Racist A Hole should have been exposed decades ago. Does not say much for ARNOLD or the REST of them. All PUNKS in my book
And people say black people are not held back. Great story. No matter how much these people hate us, God still loves us.
People know. I think a lot of them just have a hard time explaining the illogical reality of racism.
💪🏿
I was all in the buying Weider magazines/ products back during the 80's, but when I notice how they treated Lee Haney and their refusal of putting him on the cover of Muscle and Fitness, I grew disenchanted with him and the way he did ' business '. Robby Robinson is still THE BLACK PRINCE .
I hear you.I do.As a teenager in the 80s I thought the whole bodybuilding California scene with Weider magazines selling a lifestyle was the way to be.To get to some yrs later, there was a part of me maturing and understanding how far the promoters of this illusion will go to make a buck..The dream or the lie that is still being sold is in order to be like them you need to eat and train ,like them is a younger naive me.Lee Haney was and still is a true champion not only for his bodybuilding victories but his leadership as a husband,father ,businessman and man of God.Robby Robinson was a people's champion,and was always sought after,they missed a opportunity.
@@davidrynberk1533 AMEN !!
I would comment but might get in trouble saying it.
@@OurTimeIsOut Speak your truth Sir.
Some time ago I watched a couple of Leroy Colbert videos were he says he loaned Robbie $500 which he never paid back. Apparently it pissed Weider off. Seems Weider was loyal to friends but if you crossed him look out. I’m wondering if that had something to do with it. Leroy Colbert was the first black man to appear on the cover of Weider’s Muscle & Power in 1953. Plus he was the first man to have 21” arms. I know he was on the cover of Mr American magazine in 1960.
Knowing this about joe weider I could give 2 💩💩 about his legacy PERIOD!!!!
I had no idea. To H#^%* with him!!!!
Agreed
His early weight gain powders were tainted with roids
Facts!!!
Joe Weider was a piece of sh#t! Back when I was a kid, I thought he was lGod! When I got older, and really found out what he was about and what a disservice he and his brother did to bodybuilding…
They always claim is never about race , but they make it about race.But God was on his side 🙏🏽
They're liars that think we're dumb enough to believe them.
Nope He is not a man of God He’s an Impostor Gen 10:1-5 Rev 2:9,3:9 Ashkenazi not at all a descendant of Shem Eastern European Convert from the Caucasus Mountains
You will never understand as you've not experienced it.
Love this comment. Agree.
Just another privileged and prosperous bigot. How else do they gain anything in this world without corruption and collusion
I now want back all the money i spent on M&F magazines back in the early 90's
You remove the Weiders from the equation then the sport to this day would remain in a state of mere potentiality.
I guess he didn't realize more than whites supported him.
I know that’s right!
Same here !!
I bought a bunch of M&F magazines, and some of his supplements during the 80's. I wish I could get a refund for them as well.
This man represents a very forgotten yet prominent sector of black American 🇺🇸 society. Made In an America Baby! ✊🏽 hearing Robby speak I hear my elders! 😭 🙏🏽 💪🏾 👑
Robbie is the *GOAT* !! Still in tip-top shape at almost 80 years old‼️‼️
He is almost 80? That is melanin folks!
As a teenager, when first seeing Robbie, my Brother & I ( as a com8c book collector) stated that he should play Luke Cage in a movie.
P.S. I'm now 62.
"ALMOST" 80. Robby was born May 24, 1946, so he'll be 78 in three weeks. Advance "Happy Birthday!" Robby.
We had a sparse number of well-known Black bodybuilders in the '70s; alas, few in America. I had the privilege of training once with Serge Nubret when he was in Pennsylvania for an exhibition.
Robby in his prime was positively spectacular. He was the bridge between Zane-like proportions, deep dry (potentially dangerous) cuts and vascularity, and the uber-enhanced mass monsters that were to follow. The Golden Age of Bodybuilding, for me, ended with Robby Robinson's era. Of course earlier bodybuilders did anabolic steroid cycles, but there's nothing about the subsequent generations of competitors that the average human could relate to. They were/are pharmaceutical and synthol repositories (e.g., Rich Piana, who recently died very young (46), as do so many contemporary bodybuilders; not a good life plan).
Robby, on the other hand, is still going strong at 78. Well...77 and 49 weeks. :-)
Weider died March 23, 2013, at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles, at the age of 93. He got to see his publishing empire decline and his bodybuilding competitions removed from broadcast and cable TV. There's some sort of legacy in there, I suppose.
Joe was a real ish bag.
A true legend. The Black Prince.
Joe Weider sounds like a real piece of work.
He was.
You mean POS
Most people would have called him a "Real American."
typical Jeu. started the biggest hoax industry in history. supplements.
back them california was fully republican, it wasnt until the democrats took it over that it achieved diversity. Now california is the shining city on the hill.
Robby’s as honest as they get…No BS, just a straight shooter who’s proven himself, and still looks great !
The black Prince, one of the best body builders of 70.80.90
Robby kept his afro because he didn't want to compromise himself as a man ♂️. Everybody knows he should've had a Mr. Olympia trophy or 2. Before Haney, Coleman, and Heath, he and Chris Dickerson held it down! Respect! Of course, we can't forget about Sergio Olivia, too....
I met Robbie on a guest tour of the Uk 🇬🇧 at ten years old, blew my mind! The man is amazing! A true gent!!
i believe him 💯💯💯💯💯💯
I think the proof is "in the pudding". The fact that Robbie is still in shape at near 80 years old speaks volumes about his commitment and tenacity. He has stories to tell and has no reason to lie to us about what it was really like for black athletes back then.
Facts! Thank you for supporting the channel, much appreciated 🙏
You should already know what it was like for black athletes back then... The same as it was for regular, everyday black folks. They faced racism, prejudice, and discrimination everyday. Didn't matter what their professional status was..
@@SPASEINCGood job jumping on the race content. Good for views and interactions.
@@Jay-jb2vr
Let's not over do it...
"Everyone experienced racism everyday"
Does that include blacks being racist
@@youdontsay2181 Black's being racist to who??
What a great testament to not giving up.
Absolutely believe this! Especially in 1975!
Sergio Olivia was black and Mr. O plus had a contract
@@johnwest5458 OK, it does not change the fact that weider was a racist.
@@johnwest5458 Sergio Olivia also eventually left the entire federation because he didn't care for Joe Weiders antics. Serge Nubrett was also done wrong by Joe Weider before the 76 Olympia. Weider was doing his best in the late 60's to make bodybuilding appealing globally. But the U.S market wasn't fond of a black bodybuilder on the cover during that time period. That's why Weider went with Schwarzenegger, because he was more marketable to the accepting audience at the time a.k.a he had the complexion for the connection.
It's still happening.
@@johnwest5458he Cuban, stop playing.
This is the discrimination we recieved for centuries
many haven't came to the understanding that many races feel inferior to blacks
Lesson: Robby Robinson's patience, persistence & consistency, did not allow Joe Weider's words to fade his dream. Applauding also the wonderful camaraderie supportive individuals he acknowledged in this story.
Thank you so much For your kind comment! 🙏
It was more than words, it was also actions.
Just CANCELED my membership! 💪🏽
Don't do that. I am a black man: those were different times and we had to deal with things, but we get better. Don't hold them against the foolishness of the past, Weider isn't even alive anymore
@@exclamationpointman3852
I wouldn't buy anything that had to do with him: DEAD OR ALIVE! And I'm a true man of Alkebulan.
Today is truly no different than then. Stop fooling yourself.
@@kh8641 I guarantee you Mr. Robertson got over it: the Wieder cover launched him to worldwide fame and took care of his bills for a year from being in the cover of Weider's magazine that you don't buy.
Life is about a knowledging something hurts, shake it off,
then move on....
@@exclamationpointman3852quit saying "we"...
YOU didn't have to deal with anything 🙄👌😅
@@illmatixx_5346 are you going to stop me from saying what I wish?
This was not rare, a guy like Joe Weider had the power to recognize talent and be a gatekeeper, but he had personnel biases that no one would knew about or call out. I am glad this guy kept it push and made the most of what there was.
…. Still done recently in Hollywood,
Until all of these stories started coming out
I don't believe Weider was racist. Why didn't he call him out when he was alive?
@@iammaximus614it’s called ⚪️supremacy
Why do you think Arnold received so much attention when there were far better builders, especially of color
@@henrystory3011 He was good looking and built better than everyone else. And no one cared about color back in the day. It was all merit
Robby and Mentzer made bodybuilding in the late 70s both were robbed of the Mr O title.
Robby was never robbed...he lost to Zane both times because he wasn't in condition .
A smooth Robbie still beats Zane, saw Robbie twice, magnificent!
No I think Zane’s vacuum and posing makes him slightly better too.
Zane only had good abs, Robby was the man!
Mentzer is a liar and a fool. Getting suckers hooked on his bullshit.
This video broke my heart and yet managed to glue it back through his resilience and faith in himself. Waiting 6 hours and keeping a great attitude and keeping his dreams alive.
This is why Robby is a legend. Thank you for watching brother 🙏
78 yrs young n Robby looks like fantastic ,,, strong soul to not let the ugliness get to him,, he truly is a legend
He did muscle fitness for life look at Arnold Schwarzenegger find example nowhere near the black prince physique right now at his age and you're about the same age or near about
Robby Robinson. Sergio Oliva were GODS.
The best 80 year old man that I've ever seen!
Robbie was before all these other black bodybuilders. You must understand these were different days. Respect Robbie for having the balls to tell the truth.
Oh, I thought those were the same days.
BTW, I guess you never heard of Sergio Oliva.
@@datmeme8967 EXACTLY.
.or Harold Poole
@@datmeme8967 brother... Of course but he is Cuban. Ask a Cuban if they are black and they will look at you like your freaking crazy.
@@south97north Weider didn’t care. 😂
I dont know if Robbie remembers but I saw him at Iron island in Alameda Ca.I was doing tricep presses with an incredible amount of weight. Using every muscle but my triceps tp move the weight. He didn’t say anything he just grabbed maybe a 20pd dumbbell and started doing these perfect tricep presses. I changed the way I lifted after that. Now im 61 years old. I weigh 185 pounds with a ripped body. That was some 30 years ago
Wow!! You're doing great. 💪 Keep it up.
I'm 63 yrs old and spent the 70's at Naval Base Alameda and went to Longfellow, Chipman, and Encinal schools, that was the same time I seen him going into the Food mill health food store in Oakland about 30 yrs ago.
Wow. a blast from the pass, Iron Island in Alameda Ca. that where I first saw and meat him, (Robbie ) I use to train there back in the days, that place was a Dungeons but you have to love it, it was not for the faint of heart. I rember he took the time to show a young buck something. I am glad to see Robbie hanging in there. He is a true O.G.
I’m not surprised. It was different era and these issues weren’t discussed to the level they are today. But they definitely existed. But he still broke through which is cool.
Robby also had enormous competition. Check out 2:45 for a quick reminder of Dave Draper on the left and Arnold on the right -- both taller, handsome, chiseled. Joe Weider was building a new industry in the 70s and any sort of shot was a favor to Robby. C'mon, man.
Weider was definitely SLIGHTLY racist towards Blacks as a young man growing up in the 1950's and 1960's.
Joe was a product of his time
Remember that Blacks found it hard to gain recognition in many areas of life outside of acting in Hollywood.
But during the 1970's Joe certainly began to evolve as he grew older.
By the 1980's Joe was a reformed character.
Unfortunately Robbie met Joe in 1975 and it is a fact that Joe was still evolving with regards to certain attitudes that he held at that time.
During the 1980's Joe behaved in a much better way towards ALL people - both Blacks and Whites!
Oh, they were discussed. Certain people just weren't listening.
@@datmeme8967 👍👍👍
@@shaunigothictv1003I wouldn't say Joe was a "product of his time" plenty of non racist regular people who grew up in the 50s and 60s. No excuse for statements like he made.
Robbie is a Bodybuilding legend !
Great Intro Robbie doesn't get enough respect. His condition is unparalleled
Agreed. He has been and will always be my main man of inspiration. I'm 50 years old, and I have trained since the age of 17. Mr. Robinson can still beat me easily.
He still has a great physique..and in his prime, he had one of the best. It is just a shame that is a batshit crazy. The man is absolutely nuts.
I always see Robbi at the Mecca. He’s such a DOPE homeboy and EVERYONE respects him up there. One of my favorites i look up to as a proud Latin Body builder.
The Black Prince wow he is the man
This guy had one of the best biceps around during the golden age of bodybuilding.
THE best!
Albert beckles better biceps sorry
@@trapps75how about a tie? :) I do think Albert was great, too!
Boyer Coe had a nice peak too
Facts
Good story Mike Armstrong was my architect teacher at Horseman junior high in Los Angeles, California. He also inspired a lot of the young black youth to do weight training at Horseman as a option to gang.
Not surprised!!!
Can't be nothing new here it still goes on till this very day
I'm from Chicago & I knew about Joe way back then from talking to Sergio Oliva! He called him Josepher as in Lucifer!!! I could tell a WHOLE lot of other things he shared with me but I thought people knew for years.
John, can you DM me on Instagram (@spaseinc)? I’d love to get in touch with you.
Many bodybuilders I've talked to considered him the best ever
Salute And Respect 👑
What a story! Man I'm glad it worked out.
Robbie should tell the story about Weider putting his head on Robbie’s body for the famous Lobby SCULPTURE ! Get Robbie’s book . A real must read ! What a Story ! 😢
And to think that Joe Weider was a Canadian Jew! 😢
Next video!
Every single time@@user-ut4ri8bs9s
@@user-ut4ri8bs9sMakes sense how he acted
What does working with Joe has to do with being on the cover of the magazine and getting recognition. You have to be ignorant to have write that. Slaves worked but but did they have rights or anything else?
It's nice to see the truth about Joe Weider coming out. Too bad it didn't happen way earlier. Joe loved bodybuilding, but he continuously screwed bodybuilder for his own gain.
I knew on of the editors. He told me stories.
Robby is awesome and a self-made man.
He still looks awesome.
Back in the day, they flew me out, interviewed me, and offered me a position. I met with Joe for about ten minutes but mostly spoke with the editor-in-chief. I spent a day at their offices and that was enough for me to kindly turn down their offer.
Weider was definitely SLIGHTLY racist towards Blacks as a young man growing up in the 1950's and 1960's.
Joe was a product of his time
Remember that Blacks found it hard to gain recognition in many areas of life outside of acting in Hollywood.
But during the 1970's Joe certainly began to evolve as he grew older.
By the 1980's Joe was a reformed character.
Unfortunately Robbie met Joe in 1975 and it is a fact that Joe was still evolving with regards to certain attitudes that he held at that time.
During the 1980's Joe behaved in a much better way towards ALL people - both Blacks and Whites!
@@shaunigothictv1003you sound like you were there
@@gabriel1095 I have just watched interviews with top IFBB bodybuilders and combined what they all said about Joe together with their own statements and the truth is clear
Joe did NOT die as a racist guy.
He was a reformed man since 1980.
Just watch any interview regarding Joe Weider with any bodybuilder who competed after 1980.
@@shaunigothictv1003 I don’t know something about his mustache was always racist to me
Eff Joe “weirder”.
Helped him warmup for an exhibition one night in belfast he was incredible.
I still have the set of dumbbells he used that night to do shoulder press.
Wow, you should gold plate those dumb bells and offer them to the Body Building Hall of Fame being erected in Venice Beach ⛱️, California
Nice !
That's who weider got that sculpture from the original man period
The interesting part is, a picture of Robby Robinson’s physique is what inspired Dorian Yates to become a bodybuilder.
Robby talks about that in the full podcast. Coming out next week!
I've been a huge fan since the very early 80's. I got to share a few sets with him. He was warming up with my workout weight. Phenomenal!
So much love for Robby! One of the Greats! Telling the truth. Was lucky enough to meet him and chat with him,in a gym. Class Act!!
To me the real story is about the people who helped Robby, sometimes a brotherhood is so strong it overshadows race... So don't say all white people are racist because you never know where your help may come from regardless of race!
Well show me some that was not back in those days
agreed with @Titan170
Yeah...ok...lol.a sizeable percentage are,though...plain and simple.i could care less at this point...just don't bother me
@@lawrenceusher1902ha ha
Hmmm… I’ve never heard anyone say all whites are racists; nor have i heard all blacks are racists. For sure, some are, along with some Asians.
I am 100% agreeing that those backstories of those that helped robinson is totally fascinating. Someone should make a documentary regarding these.
Stay well, partner.
A true champion 🏆 great bodybuilder
Great story! This guy is as classy as they come. His story reminds me of the old saying : If life gives you a lemon; then make lemonade. This guy is not only a first class Body-Builder, but he's also a first class Human-Being. What a great inspiration. Never give up on your dreams. No matter what!
One of my all time favorite bodybuilders from the old days!
Robbie is one of the greatest... That physic so long time its insane... And he is the coolest cat in bodybuilding... We shal feel privielegded to see him training.. And give advices.. 💪🙏🧙♂️🕺
Wow I'm shocked , Bobby is a real inspiration to never give up.
I remember Robby well. He was of the very best!
Icon and Legend!
Your Awesome Robby !!! I read your book and loved it !!! Happy Easter and Jesus Christ Loves Robby Robinson !
Putin unlocks his vault and the Black Jesus along with it. Let see how much you'll embrace this truth NOW!
I believe him bcuz I heard Arnold talk about this somewhere b4. Arnold was an immigrant who experienced discrimination but when he finally rose up he hinted at this.
Glad You're Sharing This, It Needed To Be Told.
Thanks for watching brother, I appreciate it 🙏
The Prince of Bodybuilding period.
So true, he was not the only one they prevented from competing for fear they beat Arnold. But I’m pleased the sport has made progress.
He wouldn't have beat Arnold a anyway.
He was very good but not even close at touching Arnold in his prime nor any of the others….Lol.
Excellent point @BOLA
Serge Nubret wasv screwed over by Weider in the 1975 Mr.Olympia
@@shaunigothictv1003 Lol.. Serge wasn’t even close to Arnold.
Give us a break. Joe Weider had many faults : opportunism , manipulations when it suited him business wise , narcissism ( the founder of all things bodybuilding ) etc. But plain racism ? His federation was the first to crown black bodybuilders as champions and it's history is filled with them. Robinson was simply not good enough. Sour grapes.
I love to hear perseverance stories. It's inspiring. The average person would do 180 degree turn instead of facing adversity and persevering. Tom Platz talked about taking the front passenger and rear seat out of his vw bug back in the 70s to sleep in it when he first moved to LA. Things like that takes a lot of determination.
I’m glad he didn’t give up on his dream. He was an inspiration to me as a kid.
this man has been in excellent shape since before i was born, crazy to think about
Real AF
You are a great person Mr Robinson! Thanks for all the inspiration!!
Thank God for Mike!
great story
The blk prince was a beast
Weider is a great Amerikkkan. It never fails
Interview already on 🔥🔥🔥
Unstoppable man!
I still have that magazine issue, bought new as a high school kid.
Jerry Brainum said Weider would book fake appointments with Sergio Olivia and then cancel last minute or if Sergio showed up to his office in Woodland Hills he would escape out of the window and down the fire escape. So not surprised about him making Robbie wait all day in the lobby.
Robbie, Sergio and Serge were beasts!
not surprised. respect robby
Very interesting, thank you for sharing this! It's actor rapper Ismail Abdul-Aziz from Pontiac, Michigan USA 🇺🇸
Robby is a true evergreen chaplain.
WOW !!
Robbie your awesome.
He is from the TribE, what you're expecting 😮
Joe Weider is white racist... Don't claim anything else
That’s right…. The So-called Blacks, So-called Hispanics/ Latinos of native descent, So-called Native Americans of native descent are from the lost Tribes. And Weider was Amelek ( fake Jew). 🤷🏾
Just imagine all the blood sweat tears. All that powerful hard work that was given with no real returns. All the way from the nineteen seventies and he never gave a black person a contract. That just tells it all, no more to trust people like that.
What a great story. Two times down and out, third time a champion. He was patient and never gave up when everyone else would of in that position. He carried on and instead of giving up he changed the system. Disappointment is hard to swallow but sit back and wait and strike when the opportunity comes. Great man.
The only time you fail is when you stop. If you don’t quit, you never fail. Robby keeps going to this day 🙏
Robby Robinson I meet him when I was a 13 years old at Macy's department store downtown Brooklyn he was Sponsoring Weider products it was amazing seeing how big he was I will never forget that day the black Prince of Bodybuilding
Read his book THE BLACK PRINCE he has been pretty bohemian over his life.
They Say...All Well, That ends Well..& This Sounding Like it ended Well...💪💯
Robbie was an inspiration to me. I remember having his picture on my wall.
That’s amazing bro 🙏
Words cannot describe how angry this makes me… Things have not changed!!!
Joe still don't give blacks contracts?
Wow! I sure wasted hard earned cash on that dirt bag magazines! I never heard Arnold say this about his “buddy” Joe! He must have known this!✅
The Black Prince !!
Wow..I am a Fan of this BROTHER now!!..This is a first of me hearing/knowing of this bodybuilder!..I literally just clicked on this vid.Most definitely got yourself A subscriber!..❤👌🏿
I appreciate your support brother! More to come 🙏
It was all a test brother you passed it n you were humble
Bro stop. You sound like you on crack.😅
Why does he have to be humble? All he's asking for is fairness.
I think it’s a known fact that there was a lot of racism and bodybuilding back at that time. Look at Joe Weider‘s treatment of Serge Nubret. Allegedly, according to Mr. Robinson, Arnold Schwarzenegger used to taunt Joe Weider about his Jewish heritage.
This does not surprise me. But much respect to Robbie for speaking up. Discrimination unfortunately is still alive and well. Robbie still a bad man. And still standing. True inspiration
I never knew that, he was amazing during his time
Robbie has the most magnificent bass baritone voice!!!!!!
Is a Bass or is it Baritone? There is a difference.
@@richbrake9910 ....baritone....
It's drug abuse voice
Its a shame to know Joe weider was a racist, but i rather know than not.
I was inspired by this guy story amazing.
Go listen to what Leroy Colbert said about Joe and you will see Robbie is full of cr*p
Wow!
Legend ‼️‼️‼️ Yes KING ❤️💐💐💐💐
Thank you for watching, much appreciated 🙏
Robby Robinson by far was well sculpted and had great form better than Arnold Schwarzenegger and Frank Zane. I spent a lot of my money as a teenager on Weider Products and stopped when i found out he was a Racist.
So we're serge nubret and sergio oliva.