Why I dont use Ceramic Coatings on my BMW E36
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I reckon John Cadogan of Auto Expert got it spot on when he said, in relation to car care, that there was a continuum with people who didn't give a toss at one end and what he called car cleaning nazis at the other. A lot of people are in between. On ceramic coatings they are not attractive to a keen detailer who gets a lot of satisfaction from the process - if you enjoy pampering your car a ceramic coat just seems superfluous. I used to have a routine before I got sucked in - I'd polish a quarter of the car once a month with AG SRP (before that used Turtle Wax Original). This meant the car was cleaned and protected 3 times a year. It actually worked - I always had beading and my car was the cleanest on the street. Simple times😂
@J B I can see he isn't to everybody's taste lol.
Rupes Uno Protect. You'll machine polish that E36 in about 30 minutes, have a cup of tea (digestive too) and then buff off. Lovely wet look, nice beading and super slick (I use Bilt-Hamber and AutoFinesse by the way) Nice video & the BMW is looking great
This car/paint job seems to be a mental reset for you John… you look happier and less stressed 👍
hmm not sure about that. at least in relation to the E36. the problem I have now is finding people that can work on the car without touching the paintwork. and I literally mean I dont want them to touch it, when they think I mean just be carefull.
@@forensicunplugged4295 My biggest bug bear too Jon. I won't let anyone touch my E36 M3 period. I do all the maintenance myself and Thankfully It has never required the services of an outsider for something I couldn't do or fix. I keep it safely stored in a proper garage so it doesn't even see the sun most times. It is mint !
@@forensicunplugged4295 that almost certainly will lead to frustration. I think the same goes for pretty much everything that's done around my house, I try to do everything myself nowadays because I never felt anything was done with the care I wanted it to be done.
Triple is a massively underrated product! Beem using it for years and love it.
Great video. I feel the same as you, John. That is the best reason why I don't use ceramic.
Ah, not a “short”…………………… absolutely brilliant. Good start to the weekend. 🙂
I absolutely agree Jon, I was thinking a lot about ceramic coatings, but I feel that they are not for me for similar reasons. 😊
I just polished my car 2 year old ceramic coating with Essence plus with great results. First time ever polishing a car.
You have answered a question I had, thank you. I want to protect my 4 year old metallic grey paint work on my M140i but I also enjoy the process of polishing it every few weeks. So a wax I put on & then can’t wax my car is not the answer. I’ve been using an Auto Smart gold carnauba wax that I picked up from the rep a couple of years ago. Works well and lasts several weeks. 2 coats gives fantastic results, but I often run out of time so it just gets the single coat. When I use this up I will buy some BH Speed wax as I’m very impressed with the other products I’ve bought having seen your reviews. The BH wheel cleaner nothing short of amazing and great value to.
I like how you casually just put in a polishing session where I always prepare for weeks to have that one weekend to do it all. I'm massively stressed everytime and my back is killing me afterwards.
yer but thats proper polishing. In this instance would buff the wing in 20 seconds with a cordless DA and its done. so not really polisihng almost just applying the AIO with machine really.
@@forensicunplugged4295 John could you do a video on this. I’d like to see you use a machine polisher in an applicator scenario rather than a polishing one….how much product you’re using, arm speed, machine speed etc.
I totally agree . I love trying different products . Would feel trapped if I used a ceramic coating.
I wasn't going to go the ceramic route.... until Infinity Wax Synergy lite came out. The appeal of that? Long term filling for non machine polished paint that's outside 24/7. Followed up by infrequent Synergy QD. Not applied it yet so we will see if it can cover the light swirling that I can only see in certain light at night, but know is there so would like to cover it without machine polishing. We will see if it does the trick.
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@@kinnonmcallister I suspect videos are being held off until stocks build up... as it will create big demand if reviews give same results as users.
Give Auto finesse Power Seal a go. Put it on with your DA and a soft pad, comes off nice and easy. Leaves you with a brilliant gloss that looks more like a wax than a sealant. Protection lasts for ages as well. I believe they have stopped making it but you can still get hold of it.
I have the poorboys white diamond glaze, I've had it for years. I love the smell and how easy it is to buff off. It gives great results and sits next to a bottle of autoglym srp that I've also had for years. I think once i get my finger out and get my wheels refub'ed i would ceramic coat them but i will stick to waxes and sealants
Totally agree with all the comments on here. I love giving my cars, when new to me, a 2-stage correction. I love then applying a really high quality wax (Swissvax for me) , topping up with a caramic spray after every maintenance wash. I’d feel locked in with a ceramic coating. I like to get to my paintwork and give it a polish once a year if necessary. I also like trying different waxes from time to time. Again, a ceramic coating would prevent that. Durability isn’t a concern at all for me. I love detailing and spending time (and money!) on my cars. I’m just not interested in applying a semi-permanent coating and then leaving it.
Totally agree with you. I like ceramic coatings on glass, where enduring hydrophobic properties have a safety as well as aesthetic benefit and on wheels but, not for paintwork.
Good video Jon. I was half considering a coating on my MR2. Currently I am using BH Cleanser Polish by machine possibly a couple of times a year, followed by Dodo Juice Light Fantastic. Thinking will follow your lead and stick with this or similar combo. Your car looks great.
Interesting perspective Jon!
My daily x5 has ethos graphene matrix coating and the gloss is ridiculous after 12mth😁
However the e36 project i have decided against a coating and used carpro essense and Ethos pro ceramic wax and gives a rich glow and real slick.
I like to fettle away at the paint too🤣
I'm about to apply Etho's graphene to a friend's daily, any advice? Do you have a particular maintenance regiment?
@@sanscipher personally I try to wash it once per fortnight with Carpro reset and top it with Defy once per month. Appears to work really well for me with that method.
Keeping the car undercover also helps but mine doesn't always get garaged.
What to you think Jon?
Cheers Stuart
@@dhaladetailing1225 Thank you, very helpful! :D
Same reasons as me mate, nice to give the car a little refresh every now and then
I have PB Black Hole and AF Tripple, I might be wrong to my impression is Black hole fills a bit more (so it's been demoted to the daily), Tripple cleanses much better and protects that bit more, Tripple is my #1 AIO
Your car looks great Jon. I also shied away from ceramics on my black 67 Chevelle. But having a very soft single stage, I found it needed a light polish every year. Ever since I costed it with CSL, it has eliminated swirls and marring. I have not tried any of those toppers you have. But I just stared using NV Lustre, which is an Australian product. Lustre is the best topper I’ve ever used. It has some filling with great saturation, gloss and slickness. NV Lustre is a joy to work with and I highly recommend you try it if it’s available in the UK.
Hummm, I'm a Ceramic person myself. I own 3 vehicles all kept outside. New CarPro SIC is amazing. Gloss and protection for ages, far superior to any wax I have used in the past, easy to maintain a every 2weeks 3 vehicle wash. Once the 2 show vehicles are polished and sealed they are sealed, no swirls. The daily van that does the miles is proving a coating is long lasting and it's a smart repair Van so gets hit with paint overspray 3 times a day.
I’ve not used a ceramic coating because I want to polish my car every now and then.
And like you I do use a wax that doesn’t last very long but gives a deep shine, perfect for what I want.
Ceramics are great. Can do anything you want to buff them up if you want to put effort into it. I've never had a issue
Very interesting, cheers.
I have a car just like your Bimmer garaged to. I was considering a coating. Thanks for your thoughts on them 😃
Black hole rules..... value for money and ease of application can't be beaten
I too have a black e36 and the poorboys black hole is my go to. I used to follow up with their black car wax too but I don't rate it a whole lot. I was considering a ceramic coating in the future so this video has been very informative. Maybe I will just keep my current routine. Thank you.
I enjoy watching your videos and realistic reviews, indeed purchased products off back of them. As for my favourites;
Spray wax - TAC shinee wax, so easy on and off.
Paste Wax - new Turtle Wax ceramic wax 75.
Wheels - Autofinesse Imperial
Snow foam - Autofinesse Avalanche
Shampoo - Meguiars Hyper Wash
Happy with all but would like more oomph from my touch less wash foam and maybe wheel cleaner.
Good vid Jon. The Cleanser Polish is top class. Will take a wax or a sealant on top no bother. Might do cleanser polish and fusso for winter. Top that up with ADBL synthetic spray wax. The germans really like this stuff, supposedly better than BSD
I tend to agree, depending on the car and what you use it for - next time I correct my Truck with it’s black paint I’m going to put a full ceramic coating on to protect it from fine scratches and mud before the shooting season, my Bullitt however only has Tacsystems moonlight and when I polish again I’ll probably go back to an old school wax which I can reapply and polish now and again
Had a bottle of triple for years now, i only really use it for plastic chrome bits by hand. Only autofinesse product I seem to get in with 🤣 does work rather well, but after a while it does end up like water.
I agree Mark. It's the only AF Product I get on with, not a fan of any others I have used and the spray heads are terrible.
3D Speed is my go to AIO love it
Yep I just did my car with Soft99 fusso-old formula and I love this stuff. I specialize in ceramic coating LOL but I felt exactly like what you were saying..one too many layers of something. Like the “old school” feeling I get when I strip back and put something good on a car that is not masked by yet another topper.
I am in the same boat, I don’t use ceramics really cos I like trying new things without the worry of affecting the coating or stripping it off to try something else. On a flawless show car that only comes out once or twice a year, I can see the point. Anything less I don’t personally.
Try EZ car care,..... Chrome high gloss spry wax. Very easy to use, small amout per pannel, cure then easy buff off. Leavs a beautiful finish and good Beeding. I prefer it to tripple.
Jon, great channels, great info. we are actual looking at going against the grain with a new car purchase in the new year but no ceramic coating. I’m so confused by all the choice out there what would you recommend for a nice polish/gloss that we only have t9 reply 3/4 times a year. We are looking to use Bilt Hamber Touch as snow foam but a bit at sea with other products.
Hi John, good video. In the vein of keeping things simple what would your thoughts be on Koch fine cut and then double speed wax on top?
yes this is great. finishing polishing plus wax.
@@forensicunplugged4295 You're a gent thanks very much. Appreciate all the videos!
I noticed if using Something like prewax or aio regularly in re painted car the defects of paint work will appear under the clear coat , this only happens when using lacquer with bad quality. For repaint car I found Menzerna 2in1 work well contains no silicon.
I'm really surprised you got rid of Black Max, as I still find that the most insane glaze and way better than Triple.
it was good stuff but I dont think it makes that much difference which one. like tripple, black hole, cleanser polish.. all go well.. I find myself reaching for the tripple though. the buff is just so good and Im kind of addicted to the fresh soapy smell.
Chemical guys glossworkz glaze and ag uhd wax over the top is my go to. I just enjoy the process of this, so ceramics arent for me either
Hi Jon, excuse my lack of knowledge in the detailing world. I bought Bilt Hamber products after watching your videos and decided to buy touch on sachets too. I haven't seen a video from you reviewing it. I want to use it on motorcycle wheels cause they are painted and prevent brake dust building up. Is it possible you can do a video of the product please 👍🏻😁
I dont know if I would use touch on to like coat a bike in material. Im no bike expert but like I would wash the bike and rinse the bike and dry the bike. I would maybe wax the petrol hand and any painted parts. I would brighten up and show metals like chome with a fine metal polish etc.. And that would be it. my advice is dont use touch on, for a bike because you cant control where its going so well.
Lovely Jubbly video, what about AG SRP Jon?
yer I have in the cupboard but I tend to combo that with the UHD. Ive had that bottle for years and it works. the smell is something which effects me though
I’m on the same page with regards to ceramic coatings. My favourite all in one in Rupes Uno Protect. A joy to use
It can get decent correction with the right pad and leaves a lovely slick/glossy finish in so little time. I use with the Rupes yellow wool pads.
@@Audittr2108 a great combo & actually some decent cut with wool & an AIO👍👍
John another great video and with so many products on the market not sure whether i wanted to use a ceramic coating or traditional wax. Well i've just used bilt hamber speed wax on the wife's car and i'm very pleased with the results. I'm now about to give my car a machine polish with Angelwax Redemption as it only has very light swirls, the car is 1 year old. I'm going to use either TW Graphene wax or BH speed wax. Should I use a paint glaze after the intial polish before I wax it?
Hi great vid as usual. Any chance you can do a video a good quality rain repellent and that last a long time with super beading plz.
Very interesting .. what do you think of the Menzerna Powerlock and Collinite 845 combo? Don’t think I’ve seen you mention Powerlock before? They seem to go well together when I’ve used them. Or do you just like to use one wax coating and no sealant? Cheers
Im not into combo'ing sealants and waxes generally lots of reasons but I cant be bothered to spread and apply two heavy products like that. Too much buffage. maybe as a winter thing if you have a combo you like go for it.
I put on a ceramic as the clear coat on my car is soft. I love Tripple though
Great video. Purchased a car which had ceramic coating, however can’t decide what works best with it..?
Yeah, for a garage kept classic, wax is definitely the way to go.
For a daily that sits outside and gets driven & dirty frequently and quickly, moonlight it is.
Hi Jon, enjoy your videos heaps. I'm not a detailer just a person wanting to look after his own car the best he can. I live in a part of Australia where it's very hot (a cold winter day is 25C, 77F Summer is normally 40C+). We also have a lot of airborn iron ore dust which is known to be very abrasive. My thoughts are that my, soon to arrive, Lucid Red Pearl Mustang has soft paint and will need to be protected from the abrasive effects of the airborn dust and the severe UV attack. Therefore I was thinking it best to use a ceramic coating. I'd love to know your thoughts.
waxes can get a bit wierd in really high temps. the panel temps of the cars in the sun can be huge and the waxes can breakdown and soften. but if you put a coating on you cant pamper the paint, your typically only going to be able to layer more films on top and this isnt the same as a nice whizz over with a AIO like tripple.
This spring, I decided to try a "cleaner wax" on my truck instead of a spray sealant. I have become somewhat concerned about burning through clearcoat as the modern stuff is apparently so thin. I thought perhaps the light cleansing and filling properties would help with the light swirls/love marks. Unfortunately not, however I noticed this weekend that after rain, water spots just didn't seem to be visible! Had heard that wax isn't as prone to it. Any truth to that?🤔
Great video you can add too many products too the paint
It's understandable, you're pretty much done with it once you coat it. And that's the whole point, isn't it? I have too many cars to just give 'em all the love they need every time, so I will paint correct and coat them. Less maintenance, less money, more time for other things in life. But if you have The One Car you want to pour your love and time on, then coating it is pointless.
Ive seen some videos of people getting amazing results compounding and polishing by hand. I know it would take a long time but if i was patient and feeling energetic could i make my e36’s paintwork shine like yours using megs ultimate compound and polish by hand? Or do you recommend any different products? Don’t wanna buy a polisher
honestly just buy a machine polisher even if its one of those argos DA's.
@@forensicunplugged4295 yeah I guess, I’m Just a bit worried about burning through the clear coat since I’ve never used one before. Any way to check how much you have left without a costly reader or any advice you have would be great thanks, Jon
@@fraforgt-350r2 if in doubt use a soft pad and a finishing polish and you could buff on that hood all week and not go through. a cheap PDG will give you overal paint system reading anything over 100-150 is commen. but can be tricky. I would not worry too much about this though. get stuck in mate only way to learn is to get stuck in.
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@@forensicunplugged4295 thanks so much mate, this has really inspired me. I’m gonna get one of those flex machines
Can you use optimum no rinse with carnuba (the green one) on a ceramic coated car ?
if you want but I would personally not do this.. but I dont really want a coat of wax on a coated car or whats the point in having a coating.
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So, getting back to our previous discussion: PBW Black Hole - glaze or polish? :)
Its really more in the glaze catagory I think
Attempted high jacking of the comment section inbound.. been thinking about selling my beloved 2008 E92 325i and getting a 2006 RAV4… anyone think anything about this!? I absolutely love the E92, it looks fantastic, drives lovely (on nice roads) & sounds great too. But it’s turning into a drive ornament, used once a week.. and has a fair amount of money just sat on the drive. I’m interested in a practical car for the bad roads in Gloucestershire, that is pretty cool but I don’t really care about.. thoughts FD family.. 🤙🏽 (it’s coming home!?)
keep it mate, its like rock bottem value right now.
I had an E92 325 too years back, lovely motor. A Rav 4 of that age.... pretty terrible tbh, and a nightmare if anything goes wrong,e.g. engine out just to change the clutch etc. I get what you're saying, but just not with a Rav. They drive terribly too
Really appreciate the replies from both of you.
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What about carpro essence every 6 months? All in one ceramic with abrasives, and stronger fillers than cleanser polish. Then top it up with GT sigma every month. That's my plan
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No SRP?!?
dont get me wrong I can get results with all of them. but the tripple seems to be the one I reach for to give me what I need. Its not a pre wax cleaner or primer, its more of a true AIO so Im not waxing after it. but its more to do with the buff. the buff is just incredible. I use small amounts of a soft pad. give it a whizz you will like it for what it is.
AIO not AOI lol
too many TLA's :(
so after every single wash you’ll go over the whole car with machine polisher ? 🤔
Coatings are for people who dont detail regularly. ..people who have lives...the rest of us will continue to use waxes....😂😁