As always thank you for taking the time to make such education content available to all. I learn something every video, that I didn't know, and see tools that make we wish I could afford/justify the cost of them just for checking things. One can never have too many gauges and measuring tools. Then having such tools checking everything becomes it own hobby. A set of gauges and/or a piece of rope can keep many skilled people amused for a good while.
I just took my new Prime Weaponry BCG. My gun would extract. But not eject. The spring and the rubber bushing were so tight in the cup. Basically two coils of the spring were working. Replaced extractor with one that had a slightly larger cup that holds the spring. Works great now. New doesn’t mean it isn’t broke. It just means it’s new.
I really appreciate the physical of PSA's FoF BCG. I bought one and it seems great, as far as my 40 years of shooting knowledge goes. Price (on sale) was, imo, a great deal for what I got. That said, could you break down a 14.5" pinned & welded PSA Forged Sabre? I am considering purchasing one and am one of thousands, so it would be for the many. I'd, also, like to see how much better or worse they've gotten. I've seen and heard problems with the Billet Sabres. Anyway, thanks re the FOF BCG!
Nothing wrong with a little friendly competition between American Workers. I have BCG’s from Sons and PSA. Just ordered a Sons last night, and made it half way through this video before trying to order this, currently out of stock. I’ve been curious about this BCG, great review
I hope people realize the competition between PSA and SOLGW is truly the definition of American capitalism and gives consumers choice are better prices overall; from both companies. IMO PSA gets hate but when you really look at their current offerings, one of the best the is.
Getting a BCG right doesn't mean PSA makes quality rifles. Plus, the reason they got these bcgs right is because they have nothing to do with the manufacturing of them.
I spotted this BCG on PSA's website about a month ago, but they are nowhere to be found as of today. I guess PSA is sticking with Toolcraft and their own line of Bcg's. SOLGW will once again end up with my 💰💰💰
Sir, first thank you for the steady videos. The information is invaluable. My question is which material do you prefer, or do you care, for the bolt? 9310 or C158? If you have stated this in a past video I apologize, I most not have gotten threw all of them yet lol
I just got a micro best for my 11.5" and it's beautiful looking. I dont have the gauges, wish I did, but as far as the phosphate, chrome lining, and staking, it all looks great. It did come with an insert and a donut on the extractor, is that common?
@@eliasaamot573 that's why I asked. I've seen Chad mention only needing one or the other. I haven't had any issues and didn't want to cause any by messing with it but I'll have to try taking the donut off and see how it goes. What issues can arise from excessive extraction strength?
Bolt is carpenter 158, carrier is 8620, and firing pin is a hard chrome coated 8740. They've been selling them at just $100 for the past few months now. Honestly I think this is the best BCG you can get for the money and manufacturer.
Close the mics on the corner of a piece of paper then pull it out. This will clean any dust or debris off the anvil and spindle faces of the micrometers. They'll probably start zeroing every time, as they should when clean. Most importantly, you stop making machinists cringe and twitch when they watch your videos 😀
For $100 is there a better BCG on the market? Only thing that would make this one a slam dunk is a HPT on the bolt, even if it takes the price up to $110-120, it still puts it up there directly competing with the $200 BCGs.
In one of your previous videos you stated that the Nickel Boron BCG coating wasn't your favorite BCG coating. Is it because people think it negates their responsibility to clean /maintain their firearm ?
One thing he showed was that they often coat them after tapping the holes for the gas key screws and that that prevents the gas key screws from tightening properly.
Micro-Best makes BCGs for BCM DD and Colt I believe. This is basically a BCM BCG without the BCM branding. You can get these for $145 and the Chrome lined ones for $175. One of the best BCGs you can get hands down is a Sionics BCG, especially their NP3 BCG. They have probably the best staking method in the industry. I would get a Micro-Best over almost any other BCG unless you're getting the aforementioned Sionics BCGs, LMT Enhanced BCG (L7Q3), Surefire OBC BCG, or a Forward Controls Design S-BCG. Toolcraft also makes BCGs for a lot of companies and you can get their BCGs for $129. Top-tier BCGs: Sionics NP3 BCG Sionics BCG in Black Phosphate Forward Controls Design S-BCG LMT Enhanced BCG (L7Q3) Surefire OCB BCG Sharp's Xtreme Performance Bolt in DLC Micro-Best BCG Toolcraft BCG
@@hodlwise2470 I wish I could find a Sionics Np3 or FCD Np3.. Starting a new 300blk build and it will stay suppressed 95% of the time. Besides being the one of the best BCG’s made, having the Np3 coating would really make clean up much easier. I will run my SRC w/DLC and upgraded Sprinco 5 coil since it will serve its purpose very well but if I can get the Np3 FCD or Sionics, it would be nice to have as a backup in case something happens. Not sure why it would but never know… It looks as if Sionics doesn’t even list the Np3 as being available to purchase currently so not sure if/when it will be available.
@@the_bearded_hobdy895 I don't know why TH-cam just deleted my elaborate response. Let me try again. I called SIONICS last year to inquire when their NP3 BCGs would be back in stock. They wrote back immediately and said they had some in stock and sent me an invoice. That's how I got mine. I'd be willing to bet they have them in stock right now, so if I were you I would contact them and inquire. They are really nice and friendly people, and even put a hand written note in the package. They said it would ship in 10-14 days and it was *delivered* 2 days later lol.
@@hodlwise2470 yeah they love deleting crap lol.. And that’s very good to know, I will be contacting them as soon as possible!! I’ve heard they are awesome as well and I really appreciate you sharing that with me!
Where I work, the packaging says made in USA but I take the product out of made in China boxes and put in made in USA boxes. Who knows if the bolt was actually made in USA.
I doubt a well respected company like microbest is going to risk it. If this was a $50 no name bcg bought at a gunshow then maybe, but not a name brand like this.
Where can I go to get a list of the pin gauges you use. And if they are - or + pins? And yes these are informative videos. And I think its funny the way you close your digital caliper like it's a dial with gears.
Ya know if more companies would laser either logos on their bcg they would sale more. Sounds funny but I’ve seen people pass over a great bcg for one with a logo. Especially a bcg called Fathers of Freedom.
No not at all, there are only a handful of manufactures that make each type of major component. They make them to the requested spec. PSA just like everyone that doesn’t make everything in house rarely tell where the components come is from and will say ifs a trade secret.
@@itsamk18-ish pin gauges come as positive or negative specs depending on the class pin. This site explains way better than I can how to use them as go or nogo. www.newmantools.com/meyer/pluggage_ABC.htm
Has to be fake, because tons of snobs, i mean respectable people, say that anything coming out of psa is the worst thing you can spend your money on, and i should buy their stuff instead.
Actually Anderson is the worst you can buy...that being said even though this is sold by PSA its made by Microbest a respected company. Its not an in house PSA product. Its not a $60 BCG and this would be considered a Good to Go part if someone wanted a basic bcg and not an enhanced bcg from knights etc
You need a de-gauser, however I don't think that will work in this case. I believe the BCG materials are non ferrous which is why the magnet won't stick, if its a ferrous material the magnet would stick, and impart magnetic properties onto it. If you have a ferrous metal constantly interacting with another ferrous material it will over time become magnetic
I respect healthy competition, however biting on another company's name is some garbage tactics.. I'll stick with my SOLGW equipment, they put out excellent products and good customer service. (I'm not one to give a thumbs down on these vids, based on my opinion of the bcg, fwiw.) Blessings prayers and praises to The Most High Yah
This is my issue too. If they had just released a bolt carrier group by microbest as their own and didnt do this then I would probably be more welcoming of it.
@@SouthValleyKnifeCo that's it RIGHT there.. shoots, I'm not ignorant as to where Sons gets their products, we all know the parts kits are just rebranded Schmid Tool parts as is PSA's, however how they are marketed is a big issue for me. And that's some punk ass marketing that PSA did on this bcg. I'll spend the extra 20-30 buck on a SOL bcg for that reason alone.
@@yahsservant7509 SOLGW gets their receivers from Zev... PSA does not. Where they get their LPK I am not sure. Barrels are BA and their BCGs are well we know. So unsure where Schmidt comes in. But yes, this was a bitch ass move by chad Wylie
@@SouthValleyKnifeCo I was specifically using the lpk as an example of the two companies using the same product. Schmid is both their lpk manufacturer, including the "liberty trigger" and psa's " enhanced polished trigger". SOLGW pairs em with KNS detents.. not sure of psa's but they both feel the same to me..
@@yahsservant7509 SOLGW does pay extra for the KNS pins. Also it's not so much feel as it will be longevity. Plus having worked in the making of these parts. I can definitely tell you theres differing levels of parts that get sold at different price points depending where they fall on the tolerances. So it is reasonable to expect that SOLGW pays extra for the better parts.
@@itsamk18-ish I agree to an extent. However PSA blatantly ripped off their logo and had an extremely similar name. Something else is that SOLGW had specified from microbest that their bolt carrier groups were to have springco Springs in them. BCM and Centurion both do not even though they are both microbest bolt carrier groups. So the fact that PSA used a microbest bolt carrier group put it in a line of parts that bear is an extremely close resemblance to Sons of Liberty tells me it's a direct swipe at them that coupled with Chad's insane obsession with them for some weird reason this isn't a coincidence this is planned and it's disgusting.
I could watch these videos all day......great job! Please keep them coming, you are a great asset to the AR community.
Shout out to the random specter that just yoinked your borescope out of frame. That was awesome
My son comes over and we watch these videos over and over.
This makes me happy!
Perhaps a future gunsmith. 👍
@@RicArmstrong we work on our guns. The young mans error is “fixing” until they are not working some times😁 but that’s learning.
Absolutely love people who get things done, thank you for holding companies accountable and giving us people the facts!
I have one of these PSA BCG’S and just ordered another. The one I have tested has done fantastic.
This makes me happy. I bought this same exact BCG not really knowing much about it except PSA was pretty reliable.
Microbest or toolcraft I’ve never had problems with either of these companies always excellent quality.
As always thank you for taking the time to make such education content available to all. I learn something every video, that I didn't know, and see tools that make we wish I could afford/justify the cost of them just for checking things. One can never have too many gauges and measuring tools. Then having such tools checking everything becomes it own hobby. A set of gauges and/or a piece of rope can keep many skilled people amused for a good while.
A tip of my hat to your wife. She handles that camera extremely well! Thanks
That's a really good looking phosphate finish! Almost looks like Nitride.
I just took my new Prime Weaponry BCG. My gun would extract. But not eject. The spring and the rubber bushing were so tight in the cup. Basically two coils of the spring were working. Replaced extractor with one that had a slightly larger cup that holds the spring. Works great now. New doesn’t mean it isn’t broke. It just means it’s new.
Pretty cool to nerd out so much on things that 99% of us never know about.
7:50 "Borescope has left the server"
Lol
The borescope: "Aight ima head out"
Glad you liked that! 🤣
Thank you for these videos and all the information you provide for us.
I really appreciate the physical of PSA's FoF BCG. I bought one and it seems great, as far as my 40 years of shooting knowledge goes. Price (on sale) was, imo, a great deal for what I got. That said, could you break down a 14.5" pinned & welded PSA Forged Sabre? I am considering purchasing one and am one of thousands, so it would be for the many. I'd, also, like to see how much better or worse they've gotten. I've seen and heard problems with the Billet Sabres. Anyway, thanks re the FOF BCG!
FYI they use the FoF BCG in the Sabre
My 16" forged model is coming tomorrow. Ilyk
@@mikesterman123 sweet
@@user-qh3cb3kz7r cool!
You enjoy your work! Keep it up.
Thank you for the explanation that some of your tooling is customized.
Good morning Chad, thanks for your time and hardwork on these!!
be really cool to see one of Blake Kings Firearms BCG's have a physical done. They retail on sale at a very nice price. Just wonder of their quality.
Black king firearms has really nice handguards too
Nothing wrong with a little friendly competition between American Workers. I have BCG’s from Sons and PSA. Just ordered a Sons last night, and made it half way through this video before trying to order this, currently out of stock. I’ve been curious about this BCG, great review
I was asleep when I got the notification from Primary Arms ;-)
Except when the name is a blatant rip off by someone with an unhealthy obsession lf SOLGW
I hope people realize the competition between PSA and SOLGW is truly the definition of American capitalism and gives consumers choice are better prices overall; from both companies.
IMO PSA gets hate but when you really look at their current offerings, one of the best the is.
I see a massive amount of problems with PSA items in my classes.
Getting a BCG right doesn't mean PSA makes quality rifles. Plus, the reason they got these bcgs right is because they have nothing to do with the manufacturing of them.
"Sons of liberty" gun works "Father's of Freedom" lol. All the same specs, too. Pretty obvious who's market PSA is targeting.
Lol, not to mention solgw bcg is made by microbest too
It's a direct shot at them. Same with their FoF lower. They ripped off the angry patriot.
How much is psa trying to undercut solgw prices by?
@@mr.excitement689 I dunno I just tried looking and they were sold out with no listed price. I know solgw bcgs normally go around 149.99 everywhere
@@muddyhotdog4103 the FoF are 129.99
This was amazing work. Thank you
I just checked his website for how much his classes cost. And its actually pretty fucking reasonable. I wish i could.
I am curious on his thoughts of the POF USA Roller Cam Pin.
I spotted this BCG on PSA's website about a month ago, but they are nowhere to be found as of today. I guess PSA is sticking with Toolcraft and their own line of Bcg's. SOLGW will once again end up with my 💰💰💰
Great information thanks
Great video. Seems like a quality product.
7:52 it's escaping!! 😂
Hahahaha dude I died laughing. OH NO COME BACK!
I keep watching these. Why? 😆 good stuff man. You probably sold a ton of these
I feel like there should be a video on how to modify that tip on the firing pin protrusion gauge
Sir, first thank you for the steady videos. The information is invaluable. My question is which material do you prefer, or do you care, for the bolt? 9310 or C158? If you have stated this in a past video I apologize, I most not have gotten threw all of them yet lol
I have a PSA sabre with father of freedom bolt and it's all magnetize what's the best way to unmagnetized it?
Borescope, exit stage right...
Looks like a good deal for 130 smackers in today's market.
I just got a micro best for my 11.5" and it's beautiful looking. I dont have the gauges, wish I did, but as far as the phosphate, chrome lining, and staking, it all looks great. It did come with an insert and a donut on the extractor, is that common?
Very common. I’d say most extractors are done that way. BCM sends even their upgraded extractor spring with both donut and insert.
@@JohnMaxGriffin thanks for the info, much appreciated 👍
@@abolishtheatfandrepealthen6014 absolutely friend!
@@eliasaamot573 that's why I asked. I've seen Chad mention only needing one or the other. I haven't had any issues and didn't want to cause any by messing with it but I'll have to try taking the donut off and see how it goes. What issues can arise from excessive extraction strength?
@@eliasaamot573 thanks for the info bud. They currently run beautifully so I'll leave them be until I replace the springs with sprincos
But what is the bolt made of? I’m interested in composition of other parts, but if the bolt isn’t Carpenter 158 I’m not very interested.
Bolt is carpenter 158, carrier is 8620, and firing pin is a hard chrome coated 8740. They've been selling them at just $100 for the past few months now. Honestly I think this is the best BCG you can get for the money and manufacturer.
Looks like an excellent option
More chrome the better
Just as good
Close the mics on the corner of a piece of paper then pull it out. This will clean any dust or debris off the anvil and spindle faces of the micrometers. They'll probably start zeroing every time, as they should when clean.
Most importantly, you stop making machinists cringe and twitch when they watch your videos 😀
For $100 is there a better BCG on the market? Only thing that would make this one a slam dunk is a HPT on the bolt, even if it takes the price up to $110-120, it still puts it up there directly competing with the $200 BCGs.
Best choice for 100 in my opinion
What's wrong with magnatism and shooting steel case ammo?
My didn’t come in that fancy packaging… I’m shitty lol
👍
In one of your previous videos you stated that the Nickel Boron BCG coating wasn't your favorite BCG coating. Is it because people think it negates their responsibility to clean /maintain their firearm ?
One thing he showed was that they often coat them after tapping the holes for the gas key screws and that that prevents the gas key screws from tightening properly.
Additionally over time the coating can flake off
These are awesome videos. Very addicting to watch. Would you choose this over a bcm bcg?
Micro-Best makes BCGs for BCM DD and Colt I believe. This is basically a BCM BCG without the BCM branding. You can get these for $145 and the Chrome lined ones for $175.
One of the best BCGs you can get hands down is a Sionics BCG, especially their NP3 BCG. They have probably the best staking method in the industry.
I would get a Micro-Best over almost any other BCG unless you're getting the aforementioned Sionics BCGs, LMT Enhanced BCG (L7Q3), Surefire OBC BCG, or a Forward Controls Design S-BCG.
Toolcraft also makes BCGs for a lot of companies and you can get their BCGs for $129.
Top-tier BCGs:
Sionics NP3 BCG
Sionics BCG in Black Phosphate
Forward Controls Design S-BCG
LMT Enhanced BCG (L7Q3)
Surefire OCB BCG
Sharp's Xtreme Performance Bolt in DLC
Micro-Best BCG
Toolcraft BCG
@@hodlwise2470 I wish I could find a Sionics Np3 or FCD Np3.. Starting a new 300blk build and it will stay suppressed 95% of the time. Besides being the one of the best BCG’s made, having the Np3 coating would really make clean up much easier.
I will run my SRC w/DLC and upgraded Sprinco 5 coil since it will serve its purpose very well but if I can get the Np3 FCD or Sionics, it would be nice to have as a backup in case something happens. Not sure why it would but never know…
It looks as if Sionics doesn’t even list the Np3 as being available to purchase currently so not sure if/when it will be available.
@@the_bearded_hobdy895 I don't know why TH-cam just deleted my elaborate response. Let me try again.
I called SIONICS last year to inquire when their NP3 BCGs would be back in stock. They wrote back immediately and said they had some in stock and sent me an invoice. That's how I got mine.
I'd be willing to bet they have them in stock right now, so if I were you I would contact them and inquire.
They are really nice and friendly people, and even put a hand written note in the package. They said it would ship in 10-14 days and it was *delivered* 2 days later lol.
@@hodlwise2470 yeah they love deleting crap lol..
And that’s very good to know, I will be contacting them as soon as possible!! I’ve heard they are awesome as well and I really appreciate you sharing that with me!
Hell yeah! Another video!
What brand do you consider a premium BCG?
Where I work, the packaging says made in USA but I take the product out of made in China boxes and put in made in USA boxes. Who knows if the bolt was actually made in USA.
Really where's that?
@@joem5110 I get it and that sucks man. Dishonesty like that is rampant
I doubt a well respected company like microbest is going to risk it. If this was a $50 no name bcg bought at a gunshow then maybe, but not a name brand like this.
Can you check head space with just putting a cartridge into the rifle that I have removed the powder from?
No. The no-go gauge he uses is larger than a normal 5.56 case. There would be no way to tell if the gun was unsafe by chambering a round.
Where can I go to get a list of the pin gauges you use. And if they are
- or + pins? And yes these are informative videos. And I think its funny the way you close your digital caliper like it's a dial with gears.
Class Zz minus gauges any reputable company will work .0002 tolerance is fine
Are extractors heat treated as a General rule or only on mil spec bolts? Can the spring be used without the o ring and just the insert?
If you use the sprinco spring they say to use either the insert or the o-ring, one or the other but not both
A Sprinco or Colt gold spring will be fine without a donut.
Who do you use for ejector roll pins
Ya know if more companies would laser either logos on their bcg they would sale more. Sounds funny but I’ve seen people pass over a great bcg for one with a logo. Especially a bcg called Fathers of Freedom.
Sounds made up
Watching these physicals is actually fun. Looking for something to stand out like Where's Waldo books.
What exactly do these do?
I thought psa bought toolcraft
Are those tool set for only 5.56 cal ?
For 18 minutes the world stopped today.
3:45 Ugh. That's a foreboding statement.
Didn’t see if the bolt was Carpenter 158 or 9310
lol they have every spec but bolt steel..prob not c-158
I know my microbest said its c158 and solgw says theirs are s158
Am I the only one here that really shocked when anything that comes out if palmetto state armory is of proper spec?
No not at all, there are only a handful of manufactures that make each type of major component. They make them to the requested spec.
PSA just like everyone that doesn’t make everything in house rarely tell where the components come is from and will say ifs a trade secret.
I wish there were sets of 3 bore gauges for sale somewhere.
They are for sale all day everyday.
Ifdot . Like the set in this video?
@@itsamk18-ish pin gauges come as positive or negative specs depending on the class pin. This site explains way better than I can how to use them as go or nogo.
www.newmantools.com/meyer/pluggage_ABC.htm
Vermont gauges sell all types of measurement gauges , just find out what specs you need and im pretty sure they have it.
Maybe great Patriots just think alike? No?
Not from what I can tell.
Has to be fake, because tons of snobs, i mean respectable people, say that anything coming out of psa is the worst thing you can spend your money on, and i should buy their stuff instead.
The brand that makes it is on the packaging....
Actually Anderson is the worst you can buy...that being said even though this is sold by PSA its made by Microbest a respected company. Its not an in house PSA product. Its not a $60 BCG and this would be considered a Good to Go part if someone wanted a basic bcg and not an enhanced bcg from knights etc
How can one demagnetize parts without a demagnetizer? I know there's a way but cannot remember what it is.
Maybe heat. But idk how that would effect strength after
Ringing it on an anvil.
You need a de-gauser, however I don't think that will work in this case. I believe the BCG materials are non ferrous which is why the magnet won't stick, if its a ferrous material the magnet would stick, and impart magnetic properties onto it. If you have a ferrous metal constantly interacting with another ferrous material it will over time become magnetic
Yes a degausser would work, the parts are all steel.
@@Tom-qx5nl a non-ferrous recipe though, yes?
Kinda shitty they are doing a SOLGW riff.
so people complain that there quality is not up to solgw but now that it is people still complain lol
I respect healthy competition, however biting on another company's name is some garbage tactics.. I'll stick with my SOLGW equipment, they put out excellent products and good customer service. (I'm not one to give a thumbs down on these vids, based on my opinion of the bcg, fwiw.)
Blessings prayers and praises to The Most High Yah
This is my issue too. If they had just released a bolt carrier group by microbest as their own and didnt do this then I would probably be more welcoming of it.
@@SouthValleyKnifeCo that's it RIGHT there.. shoots, I'm not ignorant as to where Sons gets their products, we all know the parts kits are just rebranded Schmid Tool parts as is PSA's, however how they are marketed is a big issue for me. And that's some punk ass marketing that PSA did on this bcg. I'll spend the extra 20-30 buck on a SOL bcg for that reason alone.
@@yahsservant7509 SOLGW gets their receivers from Zev... PSA does not. Where they get their LPK I am not sure. Barrels are BA and their BCGs are well we know. So unsure where Schmidt comes in. But yes, this was a bitch ass move by chad Wylie
@@SouthValleyKnifeCo I was specifically using the lpk as an example of the two companies using the same product. Schmid is both their lpk manufacturer, including the "liberty trigger" and psa's " enhanced polished trigger". SOLGW pairs em with KNS detents.. not sure of psa's but they both feel the same to me..
@@yahsservant7509 SOLGW does pay extra for the KNS pins. Also it's not so much feel as it will be longevity. Plus having worked in the making of these parts. I can definitely tell you theres differing levels of parts that get sold at different price points depending where they fall on the tolerances. So it is reasonable to expect that SOLGW pays extra for the better parts.
Considering this was a direct swipe at SOLGW I will never buy one of these or support petty fool chad wylie.
PSA fucking sucks giant fucky-balls
Who is Chad Wylie?
Seethe
@Mark it Zero okay thanks for the answer. Why the degree of vitriol?
@@itsamk18-ish I agree to an extent. However PSA blatantly ripped off their logo and had an extremely similar name. Something else is that SOLGW had specified from microbest that their bolt carrier groups were to have springco Springs in them. BCM and Centurion both do not even though they are both microbest bolt carrier groups. So the fact that PSA used a microbest bolt carrier group put it in a line of parts that bear is an extremely close resemblance to Sons of Liberty tells me it's a direct swipe at them that coupled with Chad's insane obsession with them for some weird reason this isn't a coincidence this is planned and it's disgusting.
You got somewhere I can pick up your sticker it would look great on my truck