The Sam Bankman-Fried Update | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
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The Sam Bankman-Fried Update | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
Everyone's favorite crypto conman is back behind bars! Robert sits down with Jamie Loftus to talk about his plans to buy an island and make he and his friends living gods. (1 Part)
Original Air Date: August 15, 2023
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Fred from Scooby Doo: "Alright, Effective Altruism, let's see who you really are under this mask..."
The rest of the gang: "Randian Objectivism?!"
At least Rand was very up front about the whole philosophy being about Selfishness as a virtue unto itself. There are many points in the parts of Atlas Shrugged I read where characters championing Objectivism could have spun their actions as having beneficial knock-on effects for society. But they instead immediately pivoted to outright saying they're doing it for purely selfish gains.
Rand, at least, had no patience for _pretending_ to be an Altruist. Quite the opposite. Still a shitty philosophy of a shitty person, but at least she was more honest.
For those of you keeping score: Yes that is in fact Ayn Rand we're talking about. You know, the person whose takes about capitalism and economics were so trash, they literally inspired the city of Rapture and the core philosophy of the antagonists of BioShock.
@@magicrainbowkitties1023 and died while living off of the government.
SBF whining about Coffeezilla for "yelling at him" makes the whole breach-of-bail thing worthwhile.
The thing that I can't stop laughing about is when Coffeezilla did a video when he was first giving interviews and SBF more or less describing what he was doing as a scam
I did some student filmmaking in SoCal in college and Bowfinger is such a hilariously accurate depiction of that scene. My favorite part is the crew who speaks no English at first, but over the course of the movie, their background chatter changes from Spanish dialogue to English discussion of cinematography. Love. It.
Only reason I would hesitate to call this horseshit, is because horseshit, by virtue of being inanimate waste, possesses a fundamental honesty McCaskill is incapable of.
DAAAMN
Fun fact: One of the Rationalism TH-cam channels they funded is now being funded by EA group Open Philanthropy along with... Kurzgesagt. They gave Kurzgesagt like a million dollars and they're now advertising "Rational Animations" in their video descriptions 🙃
Also, it turns out that one of these effective altruist hedge fund crypto bros has been semi-secretly funding Vox for a couple years now
oh no.
*Sigh* This makes me long for the days when crypto was just how you paid for DIY HRT from a south pacific micronation. Or for buying "research chemicals" from a (hopefully unmonitored) weird corner of the internet. Tech and finance bros really have a tendency to fuck everything up for all of us.
Naru was laid waste by over exploitation of potassium which was exported as fertaliser to other countries . This made some inhabitants very rich but destroyed the inhabitants way of life together with their health. A tragedy.
Sounds like the work of Effective Altruists.
Hey, I just found the podcast recently, fascinating subjects you take on. The "let's take over a sovereign state" thing reminded me of a story about a much smaller-scale attempt at a takeover of Loving County, TX by a group of extreme libertarians a while back. Apparently the whole county has a population of about 100, but the idiots still ended up run out of town under threat of arrest.
There was an attempted libertarian takeover of a small town in New Hampshire that was run out of town by bears. Bears.
@@ghin780 God bless our heroic bears
@@ghin780 Man the shame they feel must be unBEARABLE!
On the topic of ethicists - I'm reminded of the Good Place and the fact that a moral philosopher still basically went to hell. Which of course, is the point, lots of ethicists and morale philosophers were terrible people. You have to decouple the person from their work.
The Good Place is a comedy show and not a guide to ethics, my dawg
@@uncleobscurenobody8861 Why do you assume it's not both?
Cuz like, the show spent a good chunk of its runtime not just citing, but having its character put various moral theories into practice as a way to explain and examine them. They had several philosophers actually on the writing team, one of them even cameos in the last episode teaching the Trolley problem.
I'm not claiming its a 'very intelligent show for very intelligent people' but it does in fact, like, explore and address some common aspects of morale philosophy and what it is to be a good person.
And yes, as a matter of fact, philosophy as an academic field does actually examine the fact that many distinguished philosophers were often awful people.
@@Bustermachine Damn, you really love this program, eh?
@@uncleobscurenobody8861notice, you didn't address the point.
@@antediluvianatheist5262 Because it's moronic to place this much energy on a bad sitcom. Same weird shit as having a Notorious RBG shirt. I'm not debating, I'm mocking.
The assumption that they could just BUY a sovereign nation smacks of the same "Yeah, this'll work itself out" energy displayed by the organizers of the Fyre festival
And to a lesser degree, the people that were trying to set up Cryptoland but poured most of their effort into a miserable coin mascot.
"Horseshit, by virtue of being inanimate waste, possesses a fundamental honesty that MacAskill is incapable of"
This is probably one of the sickest burns I've ever heard uttered
In German, a face that you want to hit is a "Backpfeifengesicht." You're welcome
German, making words I didn't know I needed.
What really gets me about the Effective Altruism thing is that it's basically a philosophy thought experiment which would be fine in a "what if" sort of way to suss out the implications of utilitarianism, but it gets turned into an actual moral code. It's obviously based on a made-up scenario that can be adapted to justify whatever you want, and hyper-rich assholes just lap it up. Nick Bostrom is definitely one of the head grifters on this, since he seems pretty actively involved in turning philosophy journal articles into a moral code he can sell to oligarchs, and it kinda sucks that this grifting on his part doesn't seem to quite get rid of his credibility as a philosopher.
And they like to mention Bayesian probability in explaining their position because it makes them look smart, but they totally fuck up the implications of Bayesian probability, too.
For me, the pithy summation I favour goes like so: You can pitch me all the arguments about how giving this homeless man in front of you the $20 in your wallet is a far less efficient use of resources than donating that $20 to some charity or fund that addresses homelessness at the systemic level, etc etc.
...but at the end of the day, there was someone right in front of you who was in need, you were in a position to help them, right here, right now... *and you chose not to* .
@@ecyor0 Yeah, but like, if they at least had a coherent argument I would just think they're assholes, which would already be enough to dismiss them. But on top of this even if you humor their basic premises their argument is full of shit.
Their whole argument is basically the "longtermist" one, that certain actions (which mysteriously line up extremely well with their financial and personal interests and/or choices) are possibly going to help an unknown and uncountable but huge number of future persons, and because the total benefit would be huge and the future number of people would be huge, it is morally important to act that way EVEN IF it seems unlikely that things will turn out the way they say, because if it does turn out that way, the benefit is just that big. Basically, just like you should prepare for a really bad situation even if it's unlikely, you should try to cause a really good situation even if it's unlikely. No situation is too unlikely to consider as long as the outcome is good or bad enough.
This is not necessarily stupid, but the way they use it is obviously is just piling assumptions on top of assumptions, and for a few reasons they like to do this in the framework of Bayesian statistics and epistemology. And this youtube comment would be even more long and pedantic if it came with an explanation of Bayesian epistemology, but basically it also happens that a sane reading of Bayesian epistemology also makes it very obvious they're full of shit. If you pile unknown outcomes on top of unknown outcomes, you can try to estimate them by pulling numbers out of your ass, but at the number of unknown future outcomes they're working at, it's basically just making stuff up.
@@ecyor0not even.
Instead of giving the $20 to the homeless man, they gambled it on the stockmarket as an investment. While explaining to the man that this was BETTER than giving him money for food.
I actually saw that movie in the store - I took Master of Disguise up to the Customer Service and gave them a brief example of what was inside it and they thanks me and said they would deal with it - the DVDs were gone the next day. Its a little thing but I was quite happy to get that done.
this is some timely youtube content. as a previously stitcher enjoyer its nice that to see the youtube upload so close
I think the Hitchhikers Guide did a similar story where all the hair stylists and phone sanitizers were shipped out. Oh and Advertising executives :)
I'm glad Jamie brought up the EA sports reference. I was going crazy thinking about the video game publisher every time Robert mentions EA'S
"Shut the fuck up and ruin my life." - me staring a bowl of ice cream.
I just checked and there's a Raw Dog audio book narrated by Jamie. Hells yeah!
It's absurd how people from rich families can just keep stomping over bail conditions (or law in general tbh) with little to no consequences.
I loved "Master of Disguise" as a kid lol, it was one of those funny bad movies that became part of my family's shared meme stash, along with the live-action "Cat in the Hat" movie, as well as stuff like South Park, and Chappelle's Show reruns.
I’m so happy to here Olympos series mentioned I love those weird books, but no one else has heard of them
There are dozens of us, dozens!
omg! I just barely listened to the other SBF episode today! 😅
"""smart""" rich people making bodies that can outlast an apocalypse in a secluded lab is literally the Big Empty DLC to Fallout New Vegas
Hearing that the guy behind the Harry Potter rationalist fanfiction was tangentially involved makes too much sense.
I recommend the podcast best bad movie ever for Ms. Loftus's love of Master of Disguise
One of the best worst movies ever
Given his views, I think Steve Martin would be all on board for a movie skewing EA idiots. And the Nauru plan sounds more like Zardoz than anything else
I was genuinely annoyed at the disrespect being shown to Master of Disguise but was immediately won back by the praise of Big Trouble. This podcast always finds a way to put you on an emotional rollercoaster.
Omg Nauru is going to be underwater though looool. Like the only thing I ever hear from them is that they’re at the UN because their nation is doomed.
Do you have an episode on the business plot? If not I think it'd be a really interesting topic to cover
If you're still wondering, they in fact do. It's entitled The Business Plot: When Rich Fascists Almost Took Over America
A Libertarian life story
Utility functions sound like phrenology, but for money.
23:55 I almost threw my phone across the office
he’s sitting in the same jail they had keith raniere in, if anyone felt like dancing & singing for sam’s freedom outside the building the way those nxivm ladies did for keith
I like this.
Effective Altruism should really be called Ineffective Selfishness because EA's are not altruistic and tend to end up either bankrupt or in prison.
1 How did they plan to getvthere in time?
2 Whats the point of 'altruism' when the people who needed help got fried?
You're forgetting about the hypothetical people, my guy. Hypothetical people need the *most* happiness.
Yeah, what if I make 5 bazillion babies because I'm the only survivor after the apocalypse? Then, everything I do for myself is actually HELPING more people than you could possibly imagine. Checkmate, deathist.
Steve Martin has also still got a banjo.
I don't like them using boo.
Its Giant Miniature Space Hamster slander.
Go for the eyes, Boo! Go for the eyes! Aaaaargh!
@@johnoneil9188 Buck kicking, FOR GOODNESS!
Don't forget to drink water comrades.
Thank you! I will.
more like Sam Bankman-Imprisoned
Sam Bankman-Fraud.
Nauru is a tiny island, population 12,000, a third of the size of Manhattan and far from anywhere: Yet at the center of several of the decade's biggest global events. Contributing editor Jack Hitt tells the untold story of this dot in the middle of the Pacific and its involvement in the bankrupting of the Russian economy, global terrorism, North Korean defectors, the end of the world, and the late 1980s theatrical flop of a London musical based on the life of Leonardo da Vinci called Leonardo, A Portrait of Love. (30 minutes)
Is there a good reason why you're quote-posting the abstract for No Island Is An Island on This American Life without attributation?
@@josephpotter5766 because as 6:50 explains, he's making observations, not speaking in abstractions
9:47 Bioshock
His lawyers claim he's living on bread and water. This because his preferred diet is not what he wants to eat.
Dustin Hoffman, Wag the Dog? 10:59
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I exposed my girlfriend to Master of Disguise last year. The fact that she's a huge Star Trek nerd made the farting Brent Spiner even better.
More like Sam Bankman-Jailed, eh? *rimshot*
Umm, I think the obvious song choice is "Yeah I'm rolling down Rodeo with a pissgun"...
Guilty on all counts!
Master of Disguise is bad? Haven't seen it since I was 16 and very, very high. Need to rewatch it lol.
Aww dood! You got your bail remanded? You know what would make a good screenplay? See if you can get Trump to have his bail remanded too and you can be cellies!
whut
1:06:45 "I don't know who needs to hear this, but we really just need people to stop fucking Sam Bankman-Fried."
Now that he has been remanded, someone should let his fellow inmates know!
(btw that's not a prison rape joke because people who make that joke suck and I hate them. I'm implying that SBF would absolutely try to fuck his fellow inmates in exchange for favors because that seems to be his signature move.)
3:12 okie credentials confirmed
Are we drawn here by something? Boomer!
@@johnl5350 Sooner! Osiyo!
39:51 Also genetics don’t care what your parents occupation is. Being Ethicists doesn’t mean you can’t give birth to a sociopath. And no amount of ethics lessons can make someone who is physically incapable of feeling emotions, empathetic.
Starts at 2:45
I never heard of him until I lost $5,000 in BlockFi, and another $5,000 in Gemini. Now, I want him to never spend one day of his life outside of a prison - A REAL PRISON, NOT HOUSE ARREST!
The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed - for lack of a better word - is good.
Greed is right.
Greed works.
Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.
Greed, in all of its forms - greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge - has marked the upward surge of mankind.
And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called - The USA.
Effective altruists say they're rationalists when they're actually just rationalizing.