Glad you found it useful! Keep an eye out for a Daftar article on professor Kattan's book recommendations. We'll also paste the link in the TH-cam description once it is released.
@@roberteigen4499 You wrote and I quote 'Free of Hamas', not 'free jews from Hamas' or 'free the hostages'. The phrase you wrote suggests the Palestinians consider Hamas an existential threat to themselves. If that were the case wouldn't Palestinian christians rebel against Hamas? After all, Palestine must be free from Hamas. The reality is that Palestinian Christians in the west bank and Gaza see Israel as their enemy. Not the people, the government. Don't presume to tell Palestinians who their oppressors are.
@roberteigen4499 Sure and it was saddaam Hussein who caused the collapse of Iraq. Your victim blaming. It's like saying what is happening in Ukraine is because of Zelensky and the Ukrainian citizens are complicit in the terrors done in the donetsk and Luansk region by the Ukranian government. And the US citizens are complicit in every regime change conflict our CIA initiated.
@roberteigen4499 You are victim blaming. It's like saying the Ughyrs in China are to blame for their treatment in xiaxang. I suppose due in part to some Salafist outfit that caused terror in the region. Or the Armenians are to blame for the violence against them from Azerbaijan. And here i was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that you actually care about Palestinians.
@roberteigen4499 No, everything you wrote is nonsense. Collective punishment is a bigoted premise on its head. It's very sad you are justifying the deaths and starvation of children.
Such an interesting conversation, thank you. Just as a rank outsider, sorry if this is just wide of the mark, but wouldn't it be better for Palestinians to accept a state however it is and work from there? Go ahead then and expand, annexe, whatever, but one thing Israeli's did was get in and make institutions and solidify their presence. From this discussion is seems Palestine has never had any sort of law on its side. Such brilliant people, brilliant minds, amazing culture. What could be done from a small base? Sorry if this is bone ignorant....
I have been wondering about these same questions of occupation. Thank you for a pointed discussion that clarifies what is acceptable and what is not under international law.There is so much "might makes right" and "anything goes" thinking that this discussion is refreshing and much needed.
Where the argument about ‘occupation’ falls down is that through out the decades Israelis have engaged in peace talks in good faith. If you read their records.. minutes of meetings this quickly becomes apparent. Through that lens the assumptions about the motives of Israelis is a stretch, and really contradicts any claim that Palestinians want peace. When you keep trying to murder people they have less trust in you. Making arguments as though Palestinians are victims post October 7 shows either extreme ignorance of the facts or duplicity.
@@otho69ADall occupations are wrong especially if it’s combined with oppression and ethnic cleansing. It’s sickening where people want to take discussion to distract from or justify killings of thousands of people. Oh that nation occupied people also, oh that person killed people also. So let’s forget about Israel’s crimes being committed every single day and focus on other world. Or the past.
8:40 The queue about Lenin (vs Luxemburg), even Lenin's interpretation of Self Determination - in practice included colonial rule over the north caucasian, and siberia, so much for practice what you preach
There was peace between Muslims, Christians and Jews living in Palestine until 1917, when colonial settlers from Europe invaded the country, displaced and dispossessed the indigenous inhabitants, and stole their land. It accelerated to a massive scale during late 1947 especially in the first half of 1948. The first village to be fully cleaned was the village of Qisarya, which had 1500 inhabitants, was on February 15, 1948. The peak of the massacres happened on April 9, 1948, during which 750,000 Palestinians out of the 900,000 who lived in the territories that became Israel fled or were expelled from their homes. Then some ill-equipped and ill-armed Arab armies came to the rescue of the Palestinians, but by the time they arrived in mid May, 1948 it was already late. They were defeated by the superior Israeli army in their so called war of independence on May 15, 1948. The majority of the native Palestinian inhabitants have thus become refugees, some internally in the west bank and Gaza and others outside their country especially in the surrounding countries. Their homes were demolished and mines were placed in order to prevent them to going back to their villages and towns. The Israeli government soon after passed a law preventing the refugees from coming back to reclaim their property.
If your holy book curse them for eternal on hellfire then how can the people of that book can be peaceful with them? First remove the anti Jews verses from your holy book then they will talk about the peace otherwise muslim will suffer as they are suffering across the globe
@@beniluv3250 While no fan of the Ottomans as my very Christian ancestors spent centuries fighting off their invasions in a place slighty smaller than Gaza. But facts are facts. Bethlehem remained a Christian city under them & Jews were treated better by the Ottomans than by Russians & Europeans. Which is why many took refugee there. So for Jews it certainly was peaceful. Armenians perhaps not so much. One has to question the wisdom of a people that having suffered centuries of persecution go on to persecuted and make enemies of the people that weren't persecuting & killing them.
Also re massacres there was a massacre of Jews by Muslims in Hebron in 1517. There was a massacre of Jews by Muslims in Hebron in 1929. There was a lot of other activity in between. Please quit with the bad faith taqiyya. People can read and fact check your comments, and in the end you’re not helping Palestinians to be doing influence campaigns for a brutally violent cult.
So if there was the ability to prosecute war crimes back then, wouldn’t Yasser Arafat have been guilty of war crimes? Amin Al-Husseini definitely would have been… So unless you’re going to apply these laws EQUALLY stop talking as though prosecuting Israelis is some venture in humanitarianism; when it’s actually just another hostile strategy.
What on earth do you mean? He absolutely was running with propaganda. He’s just better at it than most. Imperialism is imperialism. It’s not better imperialism just because it’s Islamic or Soviet imperialism.
This is really helpful, thanks very much for inviting Prof. Kattan & for such thoughtful questions. Great idea to ask for book recommendations.
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Glad you found it useful! Keep an eye out for a Daftar article on professor Kattan's book recommendations. We'll also paste the link in the TH-cam description once it is released.
Mikey, thank you for the great interview!!
Our pleasure! We're glad you found it helpful!
Brillant session. Thanks all.
We're glad you found it useful!
Colonialism no MORE !!!!
Imperialistic GAMES NO
MORE !!!
Palestine 🇵🇸 must be FREE
@@roberteigen4499You seem to have more paranoia about hummus than Palestinian Christians do.
@@roberteigen4499 You wrote and I quote 'Free of Hamas', not 'free jews from Hamas' or 'free the hostages'. The phrase you wrote suggests the Palestinians consider Hamas an existential threat to themselves. If that were the case wouldn't Palestinian christians rebel against Hamas? After all, Palestine must be free from Hamas. The reality is that Palestinian Christians in the west bank and Gaza see Israel as their enemy. Not the people, the government. Don't presume to tell Palestinians who their oppressors are.
@roberteigen4499 Sure and it was saddaam Hussein who caused the collapse of Iraq. Your victim blaming. It's like saying what is happening in Ukraine is because of Zelensky and the Ukrainian citizens are complicit in the terrors done in the donetsk and Luansk region by the Ukranian government. And the US citizens are complicit in every regime change conflict our CIA initiated.
@roberteigen4499 You are victim blaming. It's like saying the Ughyrs in China are to blame for their treatment in xiaxang. I suppose due in part to some Salafist outfit that caused terror in the region. Or the Armenians are to blame for the violence against them from Azerbaijan. And here i was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that you actually care about Palestinians.
@roberteigen4499 No, everything you wrote is nonsense. Collective punishment is a bigoted premise on its head. It's very sad you are justifying the deaths and starvation of children.
for basic human rights
justice for basic human rights
Such an interesting conversation, thank you. Just as a rank outsider, sorry if this is just wide of the mark, but wouldn't it be better for Palestinians to accept a state however it is and work from there? Go ahead then and expand, annexe, whatever, but one thing Israeli's did was get in and make institutions and solidify their presence. From this discussion is seems Palestine has never had any sort of law on its side. Such brilliant people, brilliant minds, amazing culture. What could be done from a small base? Sorry if this is bone ignorant....
I have been wondering about these same questions of occupation. Thank you for a pointed discussion that clarifies what is acceptable and what is not under international law.There is so much "might makes right" and "anything goes" thinking that this discussion is refreshing and much needed.
We're glad you found it helpful!
Where the argument about ‘occupation’ falls down is that through out the decades Israelis have engaged in peace talks in good faith. If you read their records.. minutes of meetings this quickly becomes apparent. Through that lens the assumptions about the motives of Israelis is a stretch, and really contradicts any claim that Palestinians want peace. When you keep trying to murder people they have less trust in you. Making arguments as though Palestinians are victims post October 7 shows either extreme ignorance of the facts or duplicity.
There is no country called Palestine and there never was one. If you don't know the basic FACTS, then your conclusions will be incorrect.
Very helpful interview. Thanks
I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET THE PRISONERS FROM ISRAELIS PRISON BACK HOME?? ANYBODY CAN ANSWER ME PLEASE THANK YOU😢
That's very insightful video. Had no idea ab so much stuff discussed there. Def great recommends
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET THE PRISONERS FROM ISRAELIS JAIL BACK HOME ?? ANYONE CAN ANSWER ME PLEASE ?? THANK YOU😢
How one can study so many years and said that indigenous people for Judea are arabs? What special historical book he study?
Why do you support the Ottoman colonial occupation before the British and don't define that as occupation?
@@otho69AD Like what they did with the Armenians?
@@otho69AD And if you approve of the Ottoman occupation, stop lying and saying that you are against occupation.
@Knowmore55555 and?
@Fatehali-yg3ky Circassians are muslims, so they genocided themselves? And what do they have to do with Armenians?
Talk about playing the victim.
@@otho69ADall occupations are wrong especially if it’s combined with oppression and ethnic cleansing. It’s sickening where people want to take discussion to distract from or justify killings of thousands of people. Oh that nation occupied people also, oh that person killed people also. So let’s forget about Israel’s crimes being committed every single day and focus on other world. Or the past.
8:40 The queue about Lenin (vs Luxemburg), even Lenin's interpretation of Self Determination - in practice included colonial rule over the north caucasian, and siberia, so much for practice what you preach
There was peace between Muslims, Christians and Jews living in Palestine until 1917, when colonial settlers from Europe invaded the country, displaced and dispossessed the indigenous inhabitants, and stole their land. It accelerated to a massive scale during late 1947 especially in the first half of 1948. The first village to be fully cleaned was the village of Qisarya, which had 1500 inhabitants, was on February 15, 1948. The peak of the massacres happened on April 9, 1948, during which 750,000 Palestinians out of the 900,000 who lived in the territories that became Israel fled or were expelled from their homes. Then some ill-equipped and ill-armed Arab armies came to the rescue of the Palestinians, but by the time they arrived in mid May, 1948 it was already late. They were defeated by the superior Israeli army in their so called war of independence on May 15, 1948. The majority of the native Palestinian inhabitants have thus become refugees, some internally in the west bank and Gaza and others outside their country especially in the surrounding countries. Their homes were demolished and mines were placed in order to prevent them to going back to their villages and towns. The Israeli government soon after passed a law preventing the refugees from coming back to reclaim their property.
There was a european colonialism in the levant from before 1917, they are called the ottoman. And no, there was no peacefulness under them either.
Liar.
If your holy book curse them for eternal on hellfire then how can the people of that book can be peaceful with them?
First remove the anti Jews verses from your holy book then they will talk about the peace otherwise muslim will suffer as they are suffering across the globe
@@beniluv3250 While no fan of the Ottomans as my very Christian ancestors spent centuries fighting off their invasions in a place slighty smaller than Gaza. But facts are facts. Bethlehem remained a Christian city under them & Jews were treated better by the Ottomans than by Russians & Europeans. Which is why many took refugee there. So for Jews it certainly was peaceful. Armenians perhaps not so much. One has to question the wisdom of a people that having suffered centuries of persecution go on to persecuted and make enemies of the people that weren't persecuting & killing them.
Also re massacres there was a massacre of Jews by Muslims in Hebron in 1517. There was a massacre of Jews by Muslims in Hebron in 1929. There was a lot of other activity in between. Please quit with the bad faith taqiyya. People can read and fact check your comments, and in the end you’re not helping Palestinians to be doing influence campaigns for a brutally violent cult.
Final solution for the Europeans becomes a nightmare for the Palestinians?
Fakestinians never existed & never will.
Is funny how Justice is…this happened 2000 years ago..same people same land…
Parts of the land were given to Jordan and Lebanon, but Palestinians never talked about these occupations. They want to destroy Israel.
So if there was the ability to prosecute war crimes back then, wouldn’t Yasser Arafat have been guilty of war crimes? Amin Al-Husseini definitely would have been… So unless you’re going to apply these laws EQUALLY stop talking as though prosecuting Israelis is some venture in humanitarianism; when it’s actually just another hostile strategy.
عفكرة.... الف شكر
Mr. Katan is my cousin
My brother Justice is when the law findings are made public… to the people
if it's justice it must benefit the palestinians but will do no injustice to the israel7s
A most insightful interview and much respect for the professor who declined, at every turn, being pulled into propaganda
What on earth do you mean? He absolutely was running with propaganda. He’s just better at it than most. Imperialism is imperialism. It’s not better imperialism just because it’s Islamic or Soviet imperialism.
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GROUP RIGHTS/COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT. This world is hell 🌎
😂🤣no idea!
Just parroting
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