I could see the Orioles in the 70s for less than a dollar for bleacher seats. There were "student tickets" for better seats at $2.50. But that was before multi-million dollar player salaries.
The days of a "regular guy" going to a game with friends and/or family are gone! Win, Lose or Draw people realize this is a rich mans game. MLB, NFL, et all are sham!
yeah i gave up my attention to sports, since all my attention is watching financial, and economic strains, focusing on the family, anyway grab your glove, and come play at the local park with your fam vs mine
Let us face the fact that professional sports is getting to the point that only lawyers and doctors etc can go to the games. The teams get tax money then price those same people out of the stadiums.
I was so huge into baseball as a kid. The Sid Bream slide was one of the best sports moments for me. I could name the starting lineup for most teams. Now i couldnt name a player on every team, and I dont even check scores. Cant remember the last time I watched a game. Its more a hobby than a sport now it seems
I can still name more 1990 line-ups than todays line-ups. Some of it due to me being a kid and having so much time but also because there were more stars in the game so I was more interested with the other teams as well. MLB is like the only sport where the metrics have changed from the past in what defined a star. I think that hurt a lot.
@@rona6063 for me I think it’s both. When I was a kid I loved playing all the MLB video games, doing fantasy, and watching the highlights of games that weren’t the Yankees (since I watched them every game). Just was always gaining knowledge on the players/teams from those things. Heck even my childhood friends loved the game so had more people to talk or argue with as well. Don’t have that kind of free time or kind of social circle (you know seeing 30+ of the same people every day at school) to really want to keep up like that anymore. However, while I don’t follow any other sports more closely, I still feel like the box score numbers make it easier for me to identify who’s a tier 1 player and tier 2 player. In the MLB circle now a days I feel like sometimes the stats on the back of the baseball card don’t hold much weight in who’s good and who isnt. So I’m that sense I might be a bit old since I don’t want to quantify 20 different analytical stats that are already taking into account multiple counting stats.
The White Sox do not need new stadium, the need a new ownership!! Put a good team and people will attend, the surrounding area is not as bad as the media says.
I remember in 2007 and 2008 when Cleveland had 2 consecutive Cy Young winning pitchers. In 2009 both those pitchers were starting for Philly and the Yankees in Game-1 of the WS. Too many teams are just glorified AAA teams that draft talent where they get their skill levels high enough to bounce out the second their initial contract is up.
they've had about 3 or 4 other Cy Young winners since that, one of which is still on the team. 5 if you count Bauer winning with the Reds, but that's more to your point.
They've always drawn poorly except that period in the 90s when they were dominant AND the Browns were gone. It's pathetic and the team deserves much better. On top of that, how do you host a World Series Game 7 and 40 percent of the crowd is rooting for the visiting team?
I have to ask -- how much of the attendance problem is due to the decline of the popularity of MLB overall? Day baseball with affordable tickets was a great thing.
It's joked in East Asia that the Americans don't have the attention span or patience for Baseball anymore. Ironic given that baseball has more ball in play action per game than Padded Rugby, excuse me, American Football where game clock time is wasted in huddles and formations.
@@HoshizakiYoshimasaAmerican football is much more interesting and fun to watch than baseball. People only go to baseball games for the environment of the stadiums, not the actual sport. Baseball has been declining in popularity in America for decades, this is nothing new. And I’m sorry but baseball has much less action per game than the nfl and it’s not even close.
You need a product on the field that people will pay to watch. The As and Miami have been awful for years. Chase field is not a bad ballpark, and neither is Kauffman. (Good for KC on voting down the stadium referendum).
Not exactly. It 100% depends on the city. Look at STL. Last place this year and a historically bad season last year yet their one of the top teams for filling seats. 40k a game. Ppl in the midwest love baseball. Other regions dont have the same type of fans.
What’s happening with Oakland is ridiculous and infuriating but MLB last moved a team (under very similar & slimy circumstances) 20 years ago, 1970 before that. Even in 1970, when the Seattle Pilots moved to Milwaukee, became the Brewers, Seattle still got a new team a couple years later. The other 3 professional sports leagues have been way worse on this front. Oakland city officials weren’t exactly easy to work with either. They didn’t even take MLB or Fisher to court. I really, really hope Fisher is made to sell the team & they stay in NoCal, if not Oakland.
@lovesgucci1 yes well said, sports teams/ organizations need to stop forcing cities states to fund the stadiums, cities need to stop ✋️ bowing down to these sports entertainment industry business enough,; citizens should not pay the price for these temporary new stadiums because teams will abandon the cities whenever its convenient
@@jesusm2159 Unfortunately, if one city refuses to pay, another one will be more than willing to. I wish that state or federal will figure out a law that prohibits owners from easily moving, especially if state/city funds helped with tax incentives or land. I’m not fully against some taxpayer money going indirectly towards a stadium through tax incentives, land, building roads or transportation because that team does bring in money for the city (hotels, restaurants, small businesses.) The construction work is usually done by locals and that also helps. But the days of spending hundreds of millions for a new stadium itself - ridiculous.
I have lived in Florida for 25 years. Blue collar workers are not getting out of work to go watch a game. Life is too expensive here to take a day off, fight traffic, and pay premium prices for parking and seats. All to watch a 3 hour game, and then make it home on time to clock in at job #2.
@@brythom The thing that people fail to understand is that the ballpark is in a really poor location. The VAST majority of the people who could go to games are a 45-60 minute drive away, with about half of the metro area being at 60 minutes or more away. And before you chime in that other teams have fans that drive from just as far away, it isn't about how far some fans will drive, it is about how far the AVERAGE fan will drive and what percentage of the total area population is within a particular driving distance. The simple fact is this: if you draw a circle at 30 minutes away from the ballpark on an average game day and find the total population that lives within that area, Tampa Bay's ballpark will have 1/2 the population of even the next worst team in that metric. There are other teams that are in metro areas that have a similar total population as Tampa Bay, but the teams in those areas have ballparkss located centrally within that metro area, meaning that a lot of the people in that metro area are closer to the ballpark. Tampa Bay has built their ballpark in the middle of a former industrial district, at the bottom left corner of the metro area, surrounded primarily by water and connected to the actual major population centers by bridges that can sometimes take 45-60 minutes to cross. St Petersburg + Pinellas Park + Largo, which is where the team is ACTUALLY located has a population of around 400,000. By contrast, if you just take the sections of Philadelphia near the ballpark (South + Southwest + West + Center City), the population living in those areas is 586,000. At the CURRENT TIME (4:28PM on a Friday), the transit time from West Philadelphia to Citizens Bank Park is 25 minutes, and that is with rush hour traffic. By contrast, Largo to Tropicana is 41 minutes. So, nearly double the transit radius but only 2/3rds of the nearby population. It is just an absolutely horrendously located park in terms of actually being accessible to the population centers of the local area. Pinellas Park is 24 minutes away from Tropicana, so that would be the comp for West Philadelphia to Citizens Bank, and if you are only including St Petersburg and Pinellas Park, then the total population living in that area is around 300,000. So, roughly half the population compared to the same sub-30 minute radius in Philadelphia. And within the 60 minute transit radius, you would include the entirety of Philadelphia, but also nearby cities like Wilmington (40 minutes away based on current map data) and Trenton (50 minutes away based on current map data). Tampa Bay by comparison only BARELY includes Brandon, Bradenton and Palm Harbor within a 60 minute transit radius, with Sarasota and Lakeland sitting at the 90+ minute radius. TLDR; There are like 1/3rd as many people within 60 minutes of the Tropicana as basically any other ballpark in the entire country. The fact that the team has lower attendance is a direct reflection of this. If you go by ratio of attendance / total population within 60 minutes of the ballpark, Tampa Bay is directly in line with other teams that are considered to have "good attendance". It just happens to have a ballpark located in a very poor location, with much lower total population within a critical 60 minute transit radius...
@@BlimpCityFeeder That was funnier and more entertaining than watching sports itself. They also manipulated the simpleminded to vote in a particular direction.
Both Florida teams have had cheap skate ownership. The fact they've managed two titles and two additional World Series appearances between the two teams is a minor miracle
I’m expert in this as I was born in SFLA & grew up watching the FLORIDA MARLINS win 2WS & moved to the SouthSide in 04 watched the SOX win in 05 & the downfall since. Loved watching the cubs collapse against my marlins in 03
Send the Teams to Tokyo Seoul Taipei Santo Domingo Panama City. Not only would new stadiums be built, they would sell out. As these cities are in nations that care more about Baseball than the Americans do.
The Rays attendance problems clearly go back to location. It takes a long time for the majority of the fans just to reach the park out in St Petersburg. The Rays attendance would be far better in the downtown area or perhaps near the fairgrounds where I4 and I 75 are located . They would draw many more fans from Central Florida . The fan base numbers are much higher in that area and it would be much easier to get to a game. The Reyes television ratings are actually quite good as well.
I went to The Trop for the first time last year. It was a nice experience and a good place to catch a game. The problem is (as many people have pointed out over time) the location is awful. According to our GPS we should have arrived about an hour early, but instead we ended up getting to our seats in the middle of the third inning. I believe the Rays could draw a lot fans in the right location, but St. Pete is a hard sell.
Going to an Oakland game is a dangerous affair. If you don’t get robbed, stabbed or beaten up by the time you get to your seat, you can watch a horrible team
Marlins is horrible organization. Marlins don’t try to have a winning team of course fans are not gonna show up and Marlins fan I show up all the the time
baseball is an outdoor sport. nothing worse than sitting indoors on a summer day in FL with cooling never adequate enough. that and its a state filled with transplants, their attendance will never be more than 30k a year
We recently attended a Houston Astro's game. Our experience was once again the same as at other professional baseball games. We had to pay for our beer with our credit card or debit card. We had to purchase the tickets for the game at the ticket window by using our telephones to use a QR code where we determined where we were to sit at the park. Try identifying the seating arrangements for a baseball park on your telephone's small screen. Purchasing peanuts, hotdogs, or any food item (especially beer) becomes very intrusive in any of those transactions. I am a senior citizen who has many years of experiencing a trip to a professional baseball game. With the current form of experiencing the game.......I'm done. Professional baseball has killed the game. It will all be going to local little league games for me. That is more fun.
This doesnt go for all the situations but a lot of teams around me in the northeast; cool, windy, rainy weather, reschedules, midweek day games, Easter Sunday games, a lot of reasons attendance isn't flourishing right now. Mets played a Thursday noon doubleheader with probably triple digits in attendance. Things will pick up (maybe not in Oakland), the question is how much.
They are following the new trend in sports. Build to todays crowd numbers, not tomorrows. They took seats out. They used to have the 4 largest seating capacity, now theyre the 5th smallest. If you sell out, you can charge more, and they are charging more for seats
Baltimore being 6th lowest is pretty surprising. However, weather played a big part in low attendance in games 5 and 6, both of which had less than 12k.
Yep I said the same thing, the northeast teams look bad because a lot of them have had cold weather and rainouts. Mets played a doubleheader in front of no one on Thursday because the games had to be early enough for them to fly to Cincinnati after.
I lived in SF for 9 years. I went to one Oakland game. Couldnt get off at the Coliseum station because there was an active shooter station, so I had to walk through some sketchy neighborhoods to get to the game. The stadium felt like an old cement relic of it's time. Yet.. I had a really good time. I think Oakland is on the up and up and I wish they would just build a new stadium just a bit more north. I think the A's belong in Oakland.
Let's face it, baseball is a league of "HAVES" and "HAVE NOTS". You may occasionally get a WS for KC, Detroit or the White Sox, but mostly it's going to be the same teams over and over. And honestly, the Cubs aren't the draw, Wrigley Field is the draw.
I'm so tired of the Florida teams. The Rays have had one of the greatest runs over the last 15 years in all of baseball. Doing so in a tough division with a shoestring budget. Nobody is going to fault Ray's fans for having a hard time showing up to a weekday day game in May. However nobody can convince me that stadium location or even the stadium itself is going to fix the issue when last year they got 40k in attendance for not one, but two playoff games. Miami got the stadium and location everyone said they needed to pull fans and we have crickets making more noise than the crowds. Florida doesn't deserve a team.
@@joerapoTo play devil’s advocate here, Marlins fans haven’t been given anything to really cheer for since that new stadium was built. The Marlins are consistently a bottom-10 team in the league. Rays fans can use the excuse of the old, out-of-the-way stadium, but their failure to show up for playoff games last year has really taken away any argument they had. I think the Marlins will stay and the Rays will leave simply because of the stadium situations for each one. Rays will probably move to Charlotte and stay in the AL East.
And don't forget they're about to build a billion dollar stadium back in st. Pete, it doesn't make sense being that they can't get anyone to come to the games now. Yes, move them to Tampa, and things would be better.
People do not have disposable income for a frivolous activity while getting hosed parking, eating and drinking. It’s been a long while, I don’t miss any of it
Wait.!!! With all the money Illinois taxpayers have ponied up for the White Sox Stadium in 1991 and also the major rebuilding of it - it's STILL not good enough. ???
The Chicago situation……….. the team has been terrible. Literally me & the OG tried 2 watch the Sox/KC game 2 nights ago, bases loaded,no outs, triple play, end of inning. BRUH!?!? Turned immediately off. The new stadium would b ok cuz that area in the south loop would be perfect but NOT with tax payer $$$$.
What does it matter if it’s with tax payer money or not? The same amount of taxes will be taken out your check anyway, Do you have any idea what they blowing your tax money on? When it comes to something for the public to enjoy then it’s “not with our tax money” NPC programmed reaction.
Lived in SW FL for 6 years. The reason MLB doesnt work in Florida is because a good portion of the population is from elsewhere, and subsequently still follow the team from where they moved from. Where I was, there were lots of people from Boston, Michigan, and Pittsburgh. They all followed the teams from those areas. Me, I remained a White Sox and Bears fan. Never once took a serious interest in the Florida teams. Only watched the games on TV out of boredom, or when the Sox played the Rays. This is why baseball will never take off in Florida.
Well with the RSN problem I am expecting the Mariners attendance to tank. The lack of spending this offseason and Jerry’s 56% comment, with the added annoyance of Root sports bubble that nobody can say anything slightly negative about the organization no matter what is really getting under peoples skin here. It’s sad because Seattle was always a baseball city but after a 20 year drought, ticket prices and lack of keeping or acquiring major talents there is always some excuse to not do so. There is a fatigue and apathy setting in that this team will never compete at a serious level so why even care or bother. Fans are tired of the yearly rentals and BS optimism that you have to live in a bubble to not be aware of what’s really happening. It’s like having Prince as your team anyone says anything slightly negative and the M’s organization loses it, yet the Seahawks are openly bashed by media and deal with it professionally and competitively, there is something to respect about that. I’m gonna miss Pete the guy would take it on chin and move on. I mean being in the same division as two Texas championship winning teams and the M’s shooting for at best a wild card spot while always being in the middle of league average in team salaries isn’t making anyone overly optimistic or even remotely excited to go watch games.
I think it will. It has a lot of transplants and people will travel to Vegas to see their team. I don’t think Vegas locals will support the team that heavily like the knights or even raiders but they will go to ballpark and it will make money. Hopefully that would then have the team spend money on keeping and acquiring players. We just will never know until it maybe happens.
I wonder in places that are named by corporate naming rights johns (naming rights are the same as the world's oldest profession), if the contract has a clause or two that says if the actual in-the-seats attendance averages less than x per game, then the team has to give back some of the john's money since the john (actually all the johns) call these deals advertising and like with tv, if ABC, say, doesn't hit a target for some ad campaign, ABC has to make-good the advertiser, usually by allowing additional ad-times or some other compensation.
It's long overdue to put one of those Florida teams in South Louisiana (N.O. Northshore or Ascension to be exact); they're guaranteed at least 25K/game. New Orleans is the only traditional big city without an MLB team, and it would've had one 80-100 years ago if it wasn't for Jim Crow policies in the South. LSU gets more butts in seats than the Marlins, and just across the state line, Univ. of So. Miss. gets decent crowds. LA/MS is a high demand area for baseball; don't let the "small market" talk fool you. Quality > Quantity
New Orleans is barely larger than half the size of Milwaukee, the leagues smallest metropolitan area. If you combined Baton Rouge with New Orleans, it'd barely be larger than Milwaukee. The fact New Orleans has two professional major league franchises shows it is already oversaturated. New Orleans should be AAA. Charlotte, Raleigh, or Nashville should get MLB teams. New Orleans should get the Zephyrs back in the International League, and Birmingham and Richmond should move up to AAA from AA.
@@willp.8120 Don't focus too much on New Orleans.There's over 2.5 million people in SE Louisiana, and another 400K in Coastal Mississippi. Plus, the MLB team won't have to compete w/ another area team b/t May & August. Getting folks to a baseball game in this area is too easy, esp. if they take the strategic Braves stadium approach.
@@MoneyC225 You can't compare Atlanta with New Orleans. Atlanta has 6.4 million metropolitan area population while New Orleans has like 975,000 since the North shore of Lake Pontchatrain was removed from the official metro area. Most of Atlanta's attendance comes from the Atlanta area and nearby areas within Georgia. Only about 15 percent are from nearby states like Alabama, Tennessee, North Carolina, and South Carolina. My point is that since most of the attendees to Braves games are from the Atlanta area, and since they have over six times the population of New Orleans, comparing these two aren't similar. The Braves have practically been a dynasty since 1991 and have amassed enormous popularity. New Orleans would be starting from scratch. True, you do have nearby cities in Baton Rouge, the Mississippi Gulf Coast, and perhaps Mobile, Hattiesburg, and Lafayette that you can pull from, but how many beyond perhaps Baton Rouge would be willing to travel? Even then, with all those areas, it still is only about 3 million people, less than half the size of Atlanta's metro area, alone. Atlanta also has other cities within a similar distance like Greenville, Chattanooga, Birmingham, Macon, Rome, Athens, and Augusta, which would give Atlanta's sphere of immediate influence about 10.5 million.
I think there could be a decrease in season ticket purchasing for a lot of teams. Because everywhere you turn (ESPN, MLBTV, social media, etc) nobody talks about any teams except the Dodgers, Yankees, Phillies, Boston and the Rangers. It has become similar to the NFL where you can name the playoff teams before the season even starts and conclude that one of those teams will play in the super bowl with the Chiefs.
Baseball can be very interesting if you follow the pitch count and determine the odds of a hit depending on the count. Factor in the score, the number of outs and if anyone is on base and things get more interesting. But you have to pay attention. If you just sit and wait for someone to hit a home run you're going to be bored.
Chase Field is a dump. Love it when the beer garden leaks and they have to use trash cans on the concourse to catch the drip. The smell of stale beer is so appealing filling up a 50-gallon trash can.
We used to hang out at ny mets Shea stadium mezzanine level behind home plate and chat , laugh, argue with a crowd of very knowledgeable, opinionated, personable, talkative guys who kept the game moving along. Great times
Even baseball fans would have to acknowledge that any individual regular season contest does not matter. Thats the core issue here. The 162 season was designed for the fan of 1920. Not the fan of 2020.
April cold weather in many cities. NBA/NHL playoffs in many cities. Some cities don't draw, period. Instead of expanding, they should eliminate dead wood teams.
The Florida statuims shoyld seat 950 people. Only that state , other than Oakland Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Arizona etc... can bost more people in the dugout than in the stands .
St Petersburg is a booming town, high rises and redevelopment everywhere past few years and building will continue for at least a few more years, it's a major cultural arts scene and major food scene there, Central ave near stadium is booming with new business and residential, it might shock you but the world doesn't revolve around baseball, new stadium will be moved about 4 or 5 blocks even closer to the Downtown, I'm sure the will draw upper 20's with new stadium, nobody wants to go to a game mon-weds night anyway
I think this analysis is sound. Most of St. Pete will probably be vacation property unfortunately, no one home during baseball season, and Tampa traffic is fully back
If your team is winning, everyone wants to go to a weeknight game. Problem with St. Pete’s, no one wants to go to St. Pete’s, regardless of how good the Rays are. It’s ridiculous that 1. MLB will allow the new ballpark in the same location that couldn’t get over 20k for a playoff game 2. That elected officials will use taxpayers money for a ballpark but not a new means for transportation to make the commute from Tampa easier.
As a kid I enjoyed the games, and once I left High School to venture out in the real world, I quickly lost interest in sports except for doing fitness.
The real problem with Miami is location. It's located in the worse place. It's literally an hour away from most people. Not only that the roads leading to the stadium are always jammed because there's only 1 bridge to it.
MLB attendance numbers are not legit. The teams saying they count tickets sold is only anothrr way of deceiving the public. It's PR to encourage fans to buy tickets in advance before injuries or bad weather change their mind. The teams spread out the ticket sales by offering restricted availability when you buy your tickets. This makes the stadium seem fuller than it actually is and when you get to the stadium thousands of seats are empty.
The real issue is allowing teams like the Yanks, Dodgers, Pads, and others to just buy up all the talent while small market teams are forced to contend with what they have. After what the dodgers did this offseason, why would you care to support your local small market team when chances are...they have no chance. If MLB doesn't want to die, they need to put a quick stop to the construction of super teams before MLB turns into the EPL. Also keep in mind with the White Sox, as well as the Cubs, the attendance was down because the weather was atrocious. The Cubs had small crowds against the Rockies, not because they're bad but because it was cold as heck.
@@MarijuanaCanada I'm uncertain about what part you're referring, but around the St. Petersburg/Tampa/Clearwater way, it was so expensive for a DECENT place in which to live. If someone wants a roach motel or a gutter apartment, yeah it's cheap then!
@@MarijuanaCanada The 2 bedroom shacks were starting between 300 to 350 K that's for decent ones. Even the fixer uppers were going for 250 and up! It's disgusting! Rent on the other hand for a 2 bedroom was going for over 1800. Like i'm saying this is for DECENT places. The junk goes for less and they have plenty of that. SMH
I’m excited for the A’s to play in Sacramento. I like Raley’s Field. Raley’s field is in a safer area plus the weather is better. Only thing is that Raley’s field food is too expensive.
Nobody in the Tampa area wants to drive all the way to downtown St. Pete to see a game. If they placed a new stadium more centrally (say, close to Raymond James stadium) they would draw a lot more fans.
I'm not an expert, but in my humble opinion, the problem with Miami Marlins is not the roof being closed at Loan Depot Park, this doesn't matter for us. Real problem is that we don't have a decent team, Marlins management doesn't want to invest money and bring good players, see the Payroll in 2024: Marlins is $96M vs $165M leage average. If you have a double A team, who is going to come to the stadium? About your comment of basebal doesn't work in FL, did you check the attendance for the Serie del Caribe 2024 at Loan Depot Park? Bassically all games of PR, DR and Venezuela were sold out and Cuba (Largest population of latin in Miami) didn't participate, and the overall attendance was really good for an event where most of the baseball players were not active MLB players. It means that baseball fans are here, but you need bring big names to the team. In Miami we have many sport events, activities, concerts, etc. You want to see good attendance? So you need to have a winner team in order to bring people.
It's joked in East Asia that the Americans don't have the attention span or patience for Baseball anymore. Ironic given Baseball has more ball in play action per game than their padded Rugby, excuse me, American Football where game clock time is wasted in huddles and formations
@@HoshizakiYoshimasa Offense sells and brings in new fans. And Baseball over the past decade has had batting averages plummet because of increased pitcher velocity and spinrates. Most casuals arent going to get invested in low scoring games. Last year we had a company Blue Jays game where like 28/30 people went to a baseball game for the first time. That game the Jays got shutout and had like 4 hits. The Giants didnt fair much better and only scored 2. I'm a baseball fan and I was bored out of my mind watching that game, and I can assure you that game didn't gain a single new baseball fan from my company.
If the White Sox look to relocate, I wonder if Indianapolis would be an option. Bigger media market than Vegas, Nashville, and Salt Lake, but still close enough to Chicago to keep a fan base.
As a White Sox fan, there is no hope. The only games I'll go to this year are to see the road teams. I went to one of the games against the Braves to see the Braves, not whatever the White Sox put out there. Maybe a Yankees or Dodgers game is in order, but I'm not going to a home game otherwise unless there is a team or player I really want to see.
White Sox should move to San Antonio. Makes sense with the team's colors lining up with the Spurs. Could get a thing going kinda like Pittsburgh with the Steelers, Pirates, and Penguins.
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Ticket prices are insane across the board, especially with digital pricing it stinks.
The fees being 75-100% again the seat price is insane. I refuse to participate.
too expensive for 162 games...attendance will get worse as season goes on
I could see the Orioles in the 70s for less than a dollar for bleacher seats. There were "student tickets" for better seats at $2.50. But that was before multi-million dollar player salaries.
@@Orlando_Steve 1982 era...Brewer games $2.50 bleachers sit anywhere you want and $2 PBR's..tasted better back then
The days of a "regular guy" going to a game with friends and/or family are gone! Win, Lose or Draw people realize this is a rich mans game. MLB, NFL, et all are sham!
yeah i gave up my attention to sports, since all my attention is watching financial, and economic strains, focusing on the family, anyway grab your glove, and come play at the local park with your fam vs mine
Couldn’t agree more…oh well I have found no trouble finding other things of interest to take care of and replace time I spent following.
All tickets are corporate write offs now.
I am surprised that retired people around Miami aren't going. There are plenty with comfortable incomes that could afford to go.
@@yaimavol Too hot!
Let us face the fact that professional sports is getting to the point that only lawyers and doctors etc can go to the games. The teams get tax money then price those same people out of the stadiums.
Exactly with the way that inflation had impacted everyone including myself it’s a wonder
The minor league teams are more attractive to families and groups.
I was so huge into baseball as a kid. The Sid Bream slide was one of the best sports moments for me. I could name the starting lineup for most teams. Now i couldnt name a player on every team, and I dont even check scores. Cant remember the last time I watched a game. Its more a hobby than a sport now it seems
I can still name more 1990 line-ups than todays line-ups. Some of it due to me being a kid and having so much time but also because there were more stars in the game so I was more interested with the other teams as well.
MLB is like the only sport where the metrics have changed from the past in what defined a star. I think that hurt a lot.
@@Logholders yeah maybe we got old and baseball takes more effort to follow than other sports. I dont know. It just used to be awesome.
@@rona6063 for me I think it’s both. When I was a kid I loved playing all the MLB video games, doing fantasy, and watching the highlights of games that weren’t the Yankees (since I watched them every game). Just was always gaining knowledge on the players/teams from those things. Heck even my childhood friends loved the game so had more people to talk or argue with as well. Don’t have that kind of free time or kind of social circle (you know seeing 30+ of the same people every day at school) to really want to keep up like that anymore.
However, while I don’t follow any other sports more closely, I still feel like the box score numbers make it easier for me to identify who’s a tier 1 player and tier 2 player. In the MLB circle now a days I feel like sometimes the stats on the back of the baseball card don’t hold much weight in who’s good and who isnt.
So I’m that sense I might be a bit old since I don’t want to quantify 20 different analytical stats that are already taking into account multiple counting stats.
I lived in FL for 10 years. There are so many transplants from the East Coast and Midwest that many of my co-workers were Yankees fans.
Always big attendance when the Yankees come to town.
Having tarps in the upper deck looks ghetto
Until there is a Salary floor and Salary cap this will get worse.
The White Sox do not need new stadium, the need a new ownership!! Put a good team and people will attend, the surrounding area is not as bad as the media says.
Exactly
They need to move to Charlotte.
Haha. It’s a disaster
The Rays have something to say
There's a difference between a good team and WS team. They had a good team, but their window closed quicker than it opened.
I remember in 2007 and 2008 when Cleveland had 2 consecutive Cy Young winning pitchers. In 2009 both those pitchers were starting for Philly and the Yankees in Game-1 of the WS. Too many teams are just glorified AAA teams that draft talent where they get their skill levels high enough to bounce out the second their initial contract is up.
It's very rare to see a star or rising star stay with their team. It's frustrating and makes the game feel so cheap
they've had about 3 or 4 other Cy Young winners since that, one of which is still on the team. 5 if you count Bauer winning with the Reds, but that's more to your point.
They've always drawn poorly except that period in the 90s when they were dominant AND the Browns were gone. It's pathetic and the team deserves much better. On top of that, how do you host a World Series Game 7 and 40 percent of the crowd is rooting for the visiting team?
I have to ask -- how much of the attendance problem is due to the decline of the popularity of MLB overall? Day baseball with affordable tickets was a great thing.
Day baseball is only doable on the weekends and not for the modern era given people's daily schedules.
@@willp.8120 Excellent point
It's joked in East Asia that the Americans don't have the attention span or patience for Baseball anymore. Ironic given that baseball has more ball in play action per game than Padded Rugby, excuse me, American Football where game clock time is wasted in huddles and formations.
@@HoshizakiYoshimasaAmerican football is much more interesting and fun to watch than baseball. People only go to baseball games for the environment of the stadiums, not the actual sport. Baseball has been declining in popularity in America for decades, this is nothing new. And I’m sorry but baseball has much less action per game than the nfl and it’s not even close.
Not when the teams in the top 5 largest cities have competitive teams (NY, LA, Chicago, Philly, Dallas)
You need a product on the field that people will pay to watch. The As and Miami have been awful for years. Chase field is not a bad ballpark, and neither is Kauffman. (Good for KC on voting down the stadium referendum).
Not exactly. It 100% depends on the city. Look at STL. Last place this year and a historically bad season last year yet their one of the top teams for filling seats. 40k a game. Ppl in the midwest love baseball. Other regions dont have the same type of fans.
Yeah the location issue doesn't affect Chiefs games. That's a cop out
This oakland a's situation is turning off fans because fans may lose their team because mlb forces cities to pay fund for the teams' stadium
What’s happening with Oakland is ridiculous and infuriating but MLB last moved a team (under very similar & slimy circumstances) 20 years ago, 1970 before that. Even in 1970, when the Seattle Pilots moved to Milwaukee, became the Brewers, Seattle still got a new team a couple years later. The other 3 professional sports leagues have been way worse on this front.
Oakland city officials weren’t exactly easy to work with either. They didn’t even take MLB or Fisher to court.
I really, really hope Fisher is made to sell the team & they stay in NoCal, if not Oakland.
@lovesgucci1 yes well said, sports teams/ organizations need to stop forcing cities states to fund the stadiums, cities need to stop ✋️ bowing down to these sports entertainment industry business enough,; citizens should not pay the price for these temporary new stadiums because teams will abandon the cities whenever its convenient
@@jesusm2159 Unfortunately, if one city refuses to pay, another one will be more than willing to. I wish that state or federal will figure out a law that prohibits owners from easily moving, especially if state/city funds helped with tax incentives or land.
I’m not fully against some taxpayer money going indirectly towards a stadium through tax incentives, land, building roads or transportation because that team does bring in money for the city (hotels, restaurants, small businesses.) The construction work is usually done by locals and that also helps. But the days of spending hundreds of millions for a new stadium itself - ridiculous.
Major League Baseball is like watching grass grow, but without the excitement.
I have lived in Florida for 25 years. Blue collar workers are not getting out of work to go watch a game. Life is too expensive here to take a day off, fight traffic, and pay premium prices for parking and seats. All to watch a 3 hour game, and then make it home on time to clock in at job #2.
You just described all of America, dude. Baseball is popular in New York and they do the same things you do in Florida.
Congrats you described living in any city. Yalll are just pathetic fans
@@jeremiahbachmann3901 The Mets have the 8th lowest attendance in MLB so far.
@@brythom The thing that people fail to understand is that the ballpark is in a really poor location. The VAST majority of the people who could go to games are a 45-60 minute drive away, with about half of the metro area being at 60 minutes or more away. And before you chime in that other teams have fans that drive from just as far away, it isn't about how far some fans will drive, it is about how far the AVERAGE fan will drive and what percentage of the total area population is within a particular driving distance. The simple fact is this: if you draw a circle at 30 minutes away from the ballpark on an average game day and find the total population that lives within that area, Tampa Bay's ballpark will have 1/2 the population of even the next worst team in that metric. There are other teams that are in metro areas that have a similar total population as Tampa Bay, but the teams in those areas have ballparkss located centrally within that metro area, meaning that a lot of the people in that metro area are closer to the ballpark. Tampa Bay has built their ballpark in the middle of a former industrial district, at the bottom left corner of the metro area, surrounded primarily by water and connected to the actual major population centers by bridges that can sometimes take 45-60 minutes to cross. St Petersburg + Pinellas Park + Largo, which is where the team is ACTUALLY located has a population of around 400,000. By contrast, if you just take the sections of Philadelphia near the ballpark (South + Southwest + West + Center City), the population living in those areas is 586,000. At the CURRENT TIME (4:28PM on a Friday), the transit time from West Philadelphia to Citizens Bank Park is 25 minutes, and that is with rush hour traffic. By contrast, Largo to Tropicana is 41 minutes. So, nearly double the transit radius but only 2/3rds of the nearby population. It is just an absolutely horrendously located park in terms of actually being accessible to the population centers of the local area. Pinellas Park is 24 minutes away from Tropicana, so that would be the comp for West Philadelphia to Citizens Bank, and if you are only including St Petersburg and Pinellas Park, then the total population living in that area is around 300,000. So, roughly half the population compared to the same sub-30 minute radius in Philadelphia. And within the 60 minute transit radius, you would include the entirety of Philadelphia, but also nearby cities like Wilmington (40 minutes away based on current map data) and Trenton (50 minutes away based on current map data). Tampa Bay by comparison only BARELY includes Brandon, Bradenton and Palm Harbor within a 60 minute transit radius, with Sarasota and Lakeland sitting at the 90+ minute radius.
TLDR; There are like 1/3rd as many people within 60 minutes of the Tropicana as basically any other ballpark in the entire country. The fact that the team has lower attendance is a direct reflection of this. If you go by ratio of attendance / total population within 60 minutes of the ballpark, Tampa Bay is directly in line with other teams that are considered to have "good attendance". It just happens to have a ballpark located in a very poor location, with much lower total population within a critical 60 minute transit radius...
Work?, traffic of man I didn’t know only Florida suffered from that.
Baseball died the moment they let the Astros keep their sign-stealing trophy. Fans don’t forgive corruption
That was just the tip
Now with online betting on anything trivial the real talent it takes, I mean have you ever faced a 76 mph curve?
I think it died when they supported BLM and other woke crap.
Baseball is fading like the Beatles on Hey Jude.
NA na na nanana !
Or like the Bruins against the Leafs.
@@TT-fq7pl Really? lol.
@@johnbrowne2170 Yes. The Bruins definitely faded. They won, but they faded. And I hate the Leafs anyway.
"If people aren't coming to games, how do you stop them?" -- Lawrence P. Berra, noted philosopher of sports of the mid-20th Century
Can't help but notice how bad our attendance in Toronto is so far... not one fan.
I know, right?...... And look at Fenway. NO ONE!
And cleveland
@@davidrolfes8803Maybe the Red Sox can put up a BLM banner at Fenway Park like they did in 2020.
@@db-rc5frwhy? They took the grift $ to Toronto.
@@BlimpCityFeeder That was funnier and more entertaining than watching sports itself. They also manipulated the simpleminded to vote in a particular direction.
For me it was the DH.
I could ignore the AL but when my hometown team adopted it, i checked out.
pitchers can't hit dont even try to. It hurts the game.
Both Florida teams have had cheap skate ownership. The fact they've managed two titles and two additional World Series appearances between the two teams is a minor miracle
Two different issues. Tampa Bay doesn’t have the revenue but has the great talent development and is always competitive. Miami is just horrible.
Tampa is a very well run organization
I’m expert in this as I was born in SFLA & grew up watching the FLORIDA MARLINS win 2WS & moved to the SouthSide in 04 watched the SOX win in 05 & the downfall since. Loved watching the cubs collapse against my marlins in 03
How much more can MLB treat it's fans like PooPoo?
They can charge a carbon fee of $100 per attendee.
Even if they treated their fans well the 162 game season was designed for a population that is long dead.
As long as the people that still go take it.
Billionaire owners: "just get the taxpayers to pony up a new stadium for me. that will fix attendance"
Cities fall for that line all the time, so why would billionaire owners not try it over and over again?
"just remove seats from the stadiums, that will fix it."
@@jeremiahbachmann3901 Did'nt happen in Seattle with the Sonics. CYA!
Send the Teams to Tokyo Seoul Taipei Santo Domingo Panama City. Not only would new stadiums be built, they would sell out. As these cities are in nations that care more about Baseball than the Americans do.
It's not baseball weather yet.
lol you think people are going to flock to roofless stadiums in middle of July and August?
The Rays attendance problems clearly go back to location. It takes a long time for the majority of the fans just to reach the park out in St Petersburg. The Rays attendance would be far better in the downtown area or perhaps near the fairgrounds where I4 and I 75 are located . They would draw many more fans from Central Florida . The fan base numbers are much higher in that area and it would be much easier to get to a game. The Reyes television ratings are actually quite good as well.
I went to The Trop for the first time last year. It was a nice experience and a good place to catch a game. The problem is (as many people have pointed out over time) the location is awful. According to our GPS we should have arrived about an hour early, but instead we ended up getting to our seats in the middle of the third inning. I believe the Rays could draw a lot fans in the right location, but St. Pete is a hard sell.
Going to an Oakland game is a dangerous affair. If you don’t get robbed, stabbed or beaten up by the time you get to your seat, you can watch a horrible team
baseball only works in Florida just for the Classic and Serie Del Caribe
Marlins is horrible organization. Marlins don’t try to have a winning team of course fans are not gonna show up and Marlins fan I show up all the the time
Or when the Blue Jays come down to play. Loads of snow birds.
Nah. /
@@luciensanchez1200Went to game when I taught in Miami. Went to see my home team Cardinals. It sounded like a home game in St. Louis.
baseball is an outdoor sport. nothing worse than sitting indoors on a summer day in FL with cooling never adequate enough. that and its a state filled with transplants, their attendance will never be more than 30k a year
Kaufman is one of my favorite stadiums.
Mine too. I hope the Royals will stay at Kaufman Stadium forever
That stadium is over 50 years old yeah they need a new stadium
One of the best looking stadiums in the league.
We recently attended a Houston Astro's game. Our experience was once again the same as at other professional baseball games. We had to pay for our beer with our credit card or debit card. We had to purchase the tickets for the game at the ticket window by using our telephones to use a QR code where we determined where we were to sit at the park. Try identifying the seating arrangements for a baseball park on your telephone's small screen. Purchasing peanuts, hotdogs, or any food item (especially beer) becomes very intrusive in any of those transactions. I am a senior citizen who has many years of experiencing a trip to a professional baseball game. With the current form of experiencing the game.......I'm done. Professional baseball has killed the game. It will all be going to local little league games for me. That is more fun.
This doesnt go for all the situations but a lot of teams around me in the northeast; cool, windy, rainy weather, reschedules, midweek day games, Easter Sunday games, a lot of reasons attendance isn't flourishing right now. Mets played a Thursday noon doubleheader with probably triple digits in attendance. Things will pick up (maybe not in Oakland), the question is how much.
Only thing in Toronto is I hear those 100 level renovations have caused those seat prices to triple.
They are following the new trend in sports. Build to todays crowd numbers, not tomorrows. They took seats out. They used to have the 4 largest seating capacity, now theyre the 5th smallest.
If you sell out, you can charge more, and they are charging more for seats
They did that for newer NFL stadiums too! Greed!
Baltimore being 6th lowest is pretty surprising. However, weather played a big part in low attendance in games 5 and 6, both of which had less than 12k.
Yep I said the same thing, the northeast teams look bad because a lot of them have had cold weather and rainouts. Mets played a doubleheader in front of no one on Thursday because the games had to be early enough for them to fly to Cincinnati after.
They didnt like Peter Angelos and how he ran the team. Now that they have new ownership, youll start to see people come back
Games were delayed for hours too! When they finally did fit the game in, windy, cold & rainy
Baseball shouldn't start until Memorial Day weekend. March and April baseball in the North is absurd. Cold and rainy sucks for baseball.
I lived in SF for 9 years. I went to one Oakland game. Couldnt get off at the Coliseum station because there was an active shooter station, so I had to walk through some sketchy neighborhoods to get to the game. The stadium felt like an old cement relic of it's time. Yet.. I had a really good time.
I think Oakland is on the up and up and I wish they would just build a new stadium just a bit more north. I think the A's belong in Oakland.
Getting the ownership to sign off on politically connected no-show jobs may have been an issue
Let's face it, baseball is a league of "HAVES" and "HAVE NOTS". You may occasionally get a WS for KC, Detroit or the White Sox, but mostly it's going to be the same teams over and over. And honestly, the Cubs aren't the draw, Wrigley Field is the draw.
Bad weather hurt the Reds last night.
Move the Rays out of St. Petersburg and they will draw more people. Getting to the Dump they call a stadium is in the worst location
Florida shouldn't have 2 teams
I'm so tired of the Florida teams. The Rays have had one of the greatest runs over the last 15 years in all of baseball. Doing so in a tough division with a shoestring budget. Nobody is going to fault Ray's fans for having a hard time showing up to a weekday day game in May. However nobody can convince me that stadium location or even the stadium itself is going to fix the issue when last year they got 40k in attendance for not one, but two playoff games. Miami got the stadium and location everyone said they needed to pull fans and we have crickets making more noise than the crowds. Florida doesn't deserve a team.
@@joerapoTo play devil’s advocate here, Marlins fans haven’t been given anything to really cheer for since that new stadium was built. The Marlins are consistently a bottom-10 team in the league. Rays fans can use the excuse of the old, out-of-the-way stadium, but their failure to show up for playoff games last year has really taken away any argument they had. I think the Marlins will stay and the Rays will leave simply because of the stadium situations for each one. Rays will probably move to Charlotte and stay in the AL East.
@@barbaracaroll They probably shouldn't even have one.
And don't forget they're about to build a billion dollar stadium back in st. Pete, it doesn't make sense being that they can't get anyone to come to the games now. Yes, move them to Tampa, and things would be better.
The attendance declines for teams that BLOW.
I'm a marlins fan and will still go to games even if we are bad and have no attendance
True fan, I will be at tigers game on Thursday. Looking like 40° and rain. Stadium will be all mine
I want to but my dad won't let me
@@ceek16Same sometimes
Me too !! Go fish
People do not have disposable income for a frivolous activity while getting hosed parking, eating and drinking. It’s been a long while, I don’t miss any of it
Wait.!!! With all the money Illinois taxpayers have ponied up for the White Sox Stadium in 1991 and also the major rebuilding of it - it's STILL not good enough. ???
The owners dont give a damn about the fans especially if there multi billionaire's you don't show up it comes as a tax break
I used to be a season ticket holder holder for mb. I felt taken for granted. Why should i fork out that kinda cash to be ignored.
The Chicago situation……….. the team has been terrible. Literally me & the OG tried 2 watch the Sox/KC game 2 nights ago, bases loaded,no outs, triple play, end of inning. BRUH!?!? Turned immediately off. The new stadium would b ok cuz that area in the south loop would be perfect but NOT with tax payer $$$$.
What does it matter if it’s with tax payer money or not? The same amount of taxes will be taken out your check anyway, Do you have any idea what they blowing your tax money on? When it comes to something for the public to enjoy then it’s “not with our tax money” NPC programmed reaction.
Triple play is one of the most exciting and rare plays in baseball!
Lived in SW FL for 6 years. The reason MLB doesnt work in Florida is because a good portion of the population is from elsewhere, and subsequently still follow the team from where they moved from. Where I was, there were lots of people from Boston, Michigan, and Pittsburgh. They all followed the teams from those areas. Me, I remained a White Sox and Bears fan. Never once took a serious interest in the Florida teams. Only watched the games on TV out of boredom, or when the Sox played the Rays. This is why baseball will never take off in Florida.
A’s coliseum is a MASTERPIECE!
Well with the RSN problem I am expecting the Mariners attendance to tank. The lack of spending this offseason and Jerry’s 56% comment, with the added annoyance of Root sports bubble that nobody can say anything slightly negative about the organization no matter what is really getting under peoples skin here.
It’s sad because Seattle was always a baseball city but after a 20 year drought, ticket prices and lack of keeping or acquiring major talents there is always some excuse to not do so. There is a fatigue and apathy setting in that this team will never compete at a serious level so why even care or bother. Fans are tired of the yearly rentals and BS optimism that you have to live in a bubble to not be aware of what’s really happening.
It’s like having Prince as your team anyone says anything slightly negative and the M’s organization loses it, yet the Seahawks are openly bashed by media and deal with it professionally and competitively, there is something to respect about that.
I’m gonna miss Pete the guy would take it on chin and move on.
I mean being in the same division as two Texas championship winning teams and the M’s shooting for at best a wild card spot while always being in the middle of league average in team salaries isn’t making anyone overly optimistic or even remotely excited to go watch games.
When you can't afford to go, you don't go.
Vegas won’t draw for baseball.
Fr it's to hot
@@widk2wrong
Arizona has a team tho
It'll draw the away fans
I think it will. It has a lot of transplants and people will travel to Vegas to see their team. I don’t think Vegas locals will support the team that heavily like the knights or even raiders but they will go to ballpark and it will make money. Hopefully that would then have the team spend money on keeping and acquiring players. We just will never know until it maybe happens.
I wonder in places that are named by corporate naming rights johns (naming rights are the same as the world's oldest profession), if the contract has a clause or two that says if the actual in-the-seats attendance averages less than x per game, then the team has to give back some of the john's money since the john (actually all the johns) call these deals advertising and like with tv, if ABC, say, doesn't hit a target for some ad campaign, ABC has to make-good the advertiser, usually by allowing additional ad-times or some other compensation.
Too expensive. Screw em
It's long overdue to put one of those Florida teams in South Louisiana (N.O. Northshore or Ascension to be exact); they're guaranteed at least 25K/game. New Orleans is the only traditional big city without an MLB team, and it would've had one 80-100 years ago if it wasn't for Jim Crow policies in the South. LSU gets more butts in seats than the Marlins, and just across the state line, Univ. of So. Miss. gets decent crowds. LA/MS is a high demand area for baseball; don't let the "small market" talk fool you. Quality > Quantity
New Orleans is barely larger than half the size of Milwaukee, the leagues smallest metropolitan area. If you combined Baton Rouge with New Orleans, it'd barely be larger than Milwaukee. The fact New Orleans has two professional major league franchises shows it is already oversaturated.
New Orleans should be AAA. Charlotte, Raleigh, or Nashville should get MLB teams.
New Orleans should get the Zephyrs back in the International League, and Birmingham and Richmond should move up to AAA from AA.
@@willp.8120 Don't focus too much on New Orleans.There's over 2.5 million people in SE Louisiana, and another 400K in Coastal Mississippi. Plus, the MLB team won't have to compete w/ another area team b/t May & August. Getting folks to a baseball game in this area is too easy, esp. if they take the strategic Braves stadium approach.
@@MoneyC225
You can't compare Atlanta with New Orleans. Atlanta has 6.4 million metropolitan area population while New Orleans has like 975,000 since the North shore of Lake Pontchatrain was removed from the official metro area. Most of Atlanta's attendance comes from the Atlanta area and nearby areas within Georgia. Only about 15 percent are from nearby states like Alabama, Tennessee, North Carolina, and South Carolina. My point is that since most of the attendees to Braves games are from the Atlanta area, and since they have over six times the population of New Orleans, comparing these two aren't similar. The Braves have practically been a dynasty since 1991 and have amassed enormous popularity. New Orleans would be starting from scratch.
True, you do have nearby cities in Baton Rouge, the Mississippi Gulf Coast, and perhaps Mobile, Hattiesburg, and Lafayette that you can pull from, but how many beyond perhaps Baton Rouge would be willing to travel? Even then, with all those areas, it still is only about 3 million people, less than half the size of Atlanta's metro area, alone. Atlanta also has other cities within a similar distance like Greenville, Chattanooga, Birmingham, Macon, Rome, Athens, and Augusta, which would give Atlanta's sphere of immediate influence about 10.5 million.
Riverside, San Bernardino, Ontario is the 12th largest metro area with 4.7 million.
@@MrGregorSF That is an extension of LA
I think there could be a decrease in season ticket purchasing for a lot of teams. Because everywhere you turn (ESPN, MLBTV, social media, etc) nobody talks about any teams except the Dodgers, Yankees, Phillies, Boston and the Rangers. It has become similar to the NFL where you can name the playoff teams before the season even starts and conclude that one of those teams will play in the super bowl with the Chiefs.
world series last yr. i was checking channels and " is this on again? hmm, yea late oct must be"
Baseball can be very interesting if you follow the pitch count and determine the odds of a hit depending on the count. Factor in the score, the number of outs and if anyone is on base and things get more interesting. But you have to pay attention. If you just sit and wait for someone to hit a home run you're going to be bored.
Chase Field is a dump. Love it when the beer garden leaks and they have to use trash cans on the concourse to catch the drip. The smell of stale beer is so appealing filling up a 50-gallon trash can.
the day of reckoning is coming in pro sports cost in all the major sports has prices out a lot fan
What is the website at start
Social spaces instead of seats to watch the game. Doesn’t anyone care about the game anymore?
We used to hang out at ny mets Shea stadium mezzanine level behind home plate and chat , laugh, argue with a crowd of very knowledgeable, opinionated, personable, talkative guys who kept the game moving along. Great times
Even baseball fans would have to acknowledge that any individual regular season contest does not matter. Thats the core issue here. The 162 season was designed for the fan of 1920. Not the fan of 2020.
April cold weather in many cities. NBA/NHL playoffs in many cities. Some cities don't draw, period. Instead of expanding, they should eliminate dead wood teams.
Royals are an improved team
Oakland getting 5K a game... with half of them being TH-camrs.
The Florida statuims shoyld seat 950 people. Only that state , other than Oakland Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Arizona etc... can bost more people in the dugout than in the stands .
St Petersburg is a booming town, high rises and redevelopment everywhere past few years and building will continue for at least a few more years, it's a major cultural arts scene and major food scene there, Central ave near stadium is booming with new business and residential, it might shock you but the world doesn't revolve around baseball, new stadium will be moved about 4 or 5 blocks even closer to the Downtown, I'm sure the will draw upper 20's with new stadium, nobody wants to go to a game mon-weds night anyway
I think this analysis is sound. Most of St. Pete will probably be vacation property unfortunately, no one home during baseball season, and Tampa traffic is fully back
If your team is winning, everyone wants to go to a weeknight game. Problem with St. Pete’s, no one wants to go to St. Pete’s, regardless of how good the Rays are. It’s ridiculous that 1. MLB will allow the new ballpark in the same location that couldn’t get over 20k for a playoff game 2. That elected officials will use taxpayers money for a ballpark but not a new means for transportation to make the commute from Tampa easier.
Diamondbacks also had the final 4 during the Yankees series
Oakland cant even get a new CVS much less a new sports franchise 😂
Florida loves it spring training...
Summertime is for boating, and staying cool.
Plus it's more of a football state.
Many struggling to pay bills and put food on the table.
As a kid I enjoyed the games, and once I left High School to venture out in the real world, I quickly lost interest in sports except for doing fitness.
Nothing wrong Sox stadium 🏟️
The real problem with Miami is location. It's located in the worse place. It's literally an hour away from most people. Not only that the roads leading to the stadium are always jammed because there's only 1 bridge to it.
Be interesting to see if we get relocations to Indianapolis and Nashville someday
MLB attendance numbers are not legit. The teams saying they count tickets sold is only anothrr way of deceiving the public. It's PR to encourage fans to buy tickets in advance before injuries or bad weather change their mind. The teams spread out the ticket sales by offering restricted availability when you buy your tickets. This makes the stadium seem fuller than it actually is and when you get to the stadium thousands of seats are empty.
There were like 6 Yankee fans to every DBack fan during that NYY-AZ series!
That’s what happens at Rays games.
Question: Why not just ride out the next few seasons in Oakland until a Las Vegas ballpark is completed?
Oakland wanted to raise the rent
Oakland wan't allowing them to come back unless they gave them money, and the Owner wasn't spending money because he's a poor owner
is you’re only going it draw 8000 people a game, may as well play in a smaller park. Better atmosphere and lower cost.
Have you SEEN Oaklsnd?
@@karnubawax Only on the news 😱
The real issue is allowing teams like the Yanks, Dodgers, Pads, and others to just buy up all the talent while small market teams are forced to contend with what they have. After what the dodgers did this offseason, why would you care to support your local small market team when chances are...they have no chance. If MLB doesn't want to die, they need to put a quick stop to the construction of super teams before MLB turns into the EPL.
Also keep in mind with the White Sox, as well as the Cubs, the attendance was down because the weather was atrocious. The Cubs had small crowds against the Rockies, not because they're bad but because it was cold as heck.
Is always like this every year . People tend to go less to early season games do to most games being early . It will pick up .
Crowds are too big for those prices. I wonder if the numbers are fudged.
If the lightning can draw well in downtown Tampa so can the Rays, they're in an awful location with a bad stadium.
Breh it’s cold out. Wait til June at least
I work 2 jobs and have 3 kids to feed. I cannot afford the ballpark. .
cant believe they actually built another superdome stadium in Floriduh. They deserve what they get.
And the rays are doubling down which is the craziest part
The cost of living issue in florida....UGH!! Who can afford to go watch baseball on a regular basis?
Bro Florida is cheap as hell to live.
@@MarijuanaCanada I'm uncertain about what part you're referring, but around the
St. Petersburg/Tampa/Clearwater way, it was so expensive for a DECENT place in which to live. If someone wants a roach motel or a gutter apartment, yeah it's cheap then!
@@fluoriteheals How much is a house?
@@MarijuanaCanada The 2 bedroom shacks were starting between 300 to 350 K that's for decent ones. Even the fixer uppers were going for 250 and up! It's disgusting! Rent on the other hand for a 2 bedroom was going for over 1800. Like i'm saying this is for DECENT places. The junk goes for less and they have plenty of that. SMH
@@fluoritehealsyeah that’s a great price
I’m excited for the A’s to play in Sacramento. I like Raley’s Field. Raley’s field is in a safer area plus the weather is better. Only thing is that Raley’s field food is too expensive.
Nobody in the Tampa area wants to drive all the way to downtown St. Pete to see a game. If they placed a new stadium more centrally (say, close to Raymond James stadium) they would draw a lot more fans.
How come a Bucs has half or more fans for the opposing team? 😆
Diamondbacks are 100% bc the yanks were in town. It was 70/80% Yankees fans
Yep, and now the Cubs will be there next week. Over half of that place will be Cubby blue.
That happens with the Rays too.
I'm not an expert, but in my humble opinion, the problem with Miami Marlins is not the roof being closed at Loan Depot Park, this doesn't matter for us. Real problem is that we don't have a decent team, Marlins management doesn't want to invest money and bring good players, see the Payroll in 2024: Marlins is $96M vs $165M leage average. If you have a double A team, who is going to come to the stadium? About your comment of basebal doesn't work in FL, did you check the attendance for the Serie del Caribe 2024 at Loan Depot Park? Bassically all games of PR, DR and Venezuela were sold out and Cuba (Largest population of latin in Miami) didn't participate, and the overall attendance was really good for an event where most of the baseball players were not active MLB players. It means that baseball fans are here, but you need bring big names to the team. In Miami we have many sport events, activities, concerts, etc. You want to see good attendance? So you need to have a winner team in order to bring people.
Its a pretty slow game to begin with, but it must seem excruciating to a generation of people not really known for their attention span
It's joked in East Asia that the Americans don't have the attention span or patience for Baseball anymore. Ironic given Baseball has more ball in play action per game than their padded Rugby, excuse me, American Football where game clock time is wasted in huddles and formations
@@HoshizakiYoshimasa Offense sells and brings in new fans. And Baseball over the past decade has had batting averages plummet because of increased pitcher velocity and spinrates. Most casuals arent going to get invested in low scoring games. Last year we had a company Blue Jays game where like 28/30 people went to a baseball game for the first time. That game the Jays got shutout and had like 4 hits. The Giants didnt fair much better and only scored 2. I'm a baseball fan and I was bored out of my mind watching that game, and I can assure you that game didn't gain a single new baseball fan from my company.
Its still frigging cold
Not here. 😁
If beer prices were $10 or under I would go to heaps more games
I live near Tampa. It's toooooooo hot to sit outside almost all season. A NBA basketball team would make more sense here.
Weather has been crap in many areas. Big factor.
Move to the Rays to Charlotte, Marlins to Nashville, Oakland to SLC, White Sox to Indianapolis.
The Rays aren't going anywhere.
putting the a's in a nearby suburb would have worked beuatifly. lots of teams the days play in a suburb.
If the White Sox look to relocate, I wonder if Indianapolis would be an option. Bigger media market than Vegas, Nashville, and Salt Lake, but still close enough to Chicago to keep a fan base.
White Sox have been in Chicago since the beginning of time.
They destroyed it with greed paying players stupid money it's not fun going anymore when you just get ripped off
As a White Sox fan, there is no hope.
The only games I'll go to this year are to see the road teams. I went to one of the games against the Braves to see the Braves, not whatever the White Sox put out there.
Maybe a Yankees or Dodgers game is in order, but I'm not going to a home game otherwise unless there is a team or player I really want to see.
White Sox should move to San Antonio. Makes sense with the team's colors lining up with the Spurs. Could get a thing going kinda like Pittsburgh with the Steelers, Pirates, and Penguins.
It will get better when summer comes along
Baseball- RIP