I would have thought that if Marshal Lannes had lived till Waterloo, we would have been the Second in Command due to his military expertise and his connection to Napoleon instead of Ney.
If Marshall Grouchy had pursued the Prussians after beating them at Ligny they mightnt have reached Waterloo to reinforce the British. Also Napoleon's tactics were not up to scratch perhaps because he hadn't been in the field for a year and was ill. Unusually he adopted a predictable full frontal assault, which meant numbers would decide.
he needed the battle. if he let welington dessingage and the britih made it back to the marching in prussians it would have been total defeat. and welington had the supperior position. it was a gamble of the french numbers beeing strong enaugh to break the british center in time. your right gruchy did a big strategical misstake. if maybe davout would have been in command... and not just with the guard... anyhow... if the battle would have been won - with our without grouchys wing... the campaign would probably still be lost do to prussian, swedish and russian reserves on the march. another 80-100k troops. french reserves had worn out
@TheNikzaw I thought Marshal Ney's attack was the most effective attack made by the French at Waterloo, but his attack was incomplete. Ney had wanted the Guard to to strike when the last of the calvery withdrawed while the British were still in square, but Napoleon said no, which gave Wellington time to reform the center.
Revenge is always a good thing to fight for, plus, it wouldn't have been entirely clear if he was dead or injured. Like Napoleon said in that Heroes and Villains, "angry men are gold".
The scene is a homage to the similar scene in Alexander, where it was thought that Alexander the Great had just taken an arrow and died, which caused a sudden rage in the army, that caused them to furiously attack the enemy even though they were losing, and beat them back.
@Grimmsaw I the video I meant it for Ney charging after seeing Napoleon get hit by artillery. The world turning red is a refrence to the movie Alexander where it appears Alexander is killed by an arrow, and the army becomes enraged, and begin a renewed charge while the world appears to turn to blood in Alexander's perspective. The idea being that the French, so enraged at the death of their Emperor that they would commit totatlly to the charge, and nothing will stop them.
@calistotanzi Christ I know, your like the 10 person to say so, not realizing that I stuck him in there to show this is a battle from an "Alternate" universe, but everyone misses the point. I get it, I suck.
@theathiestalaby Well accually, Ney did have artillery support towards the end (he brought up horse artillery which fired point blank). The attacked which started in Wellington's favor, soon turned against him, and ended in a draw. By the end of the last charge, Wellington had had it, another charge and he knew he was finished, and it was this moment that Ney wanted to bring up the old guard, but Napoleon said no. I wanted to film it like this, but that would have been enormously difficult.
This is a work of art. Ignore the idiots who flame you for being historically inaccurate when it is clearly stated in the title and description and took place in an "alternate universe". Especially people like +Max Barton xD who is a British fangay and gets too butthurt when he sees his countrymen get their asses handed to them in a video game movie lol
@theathiestalaby Plus, all the other infantry attacks ended in heavy loses for the French, which never even moved the British from the hill, and never from those attacks were the British ever severly tested. Whereas Ney's attack was the closet the French came to winning the battle, it drove the British off the hill and sheer force of calvary in the attack really did strike fear in the infantry squares. You can't look at casualties alone when determining what was a successful attack.
I don't know about that. From what I understand, Ney wanted to hit Wellington with the Garde right after the calvary charge, and Napoleon said no, which gave the British time to regroup.
Spyglass is a combo effect in Adobe Premiere, it's been a long time so I don't quite remember the effect, maybe it was circle and spherize? Differnt flags are just parts of mods.
Deutschland die Schöne an explanation why the prussians didnt showed up ? no, that whould be stupid, this is supposed to show how wellington could have lost, and not why or how the prussians did
The real reason I didn't show them is because I could not predict what Blucher would do if the British were already retreating from the field. There would be no way for him to link up, and his force would be smaller then Napoleon's, but at the same time, the French would be spread out, routing the British.
Young Sinatra exactly... died later after 2 days for the injuries suffered. Legs broken under the knees. He was been a great mashal.. probably one of the best.
As Ney said when inducing Napoleon's abdication: "The army will follow its chiefs". If the generals had continued to fight which seems the most likely scenario - the coalition forces were a whisker away from defeat before the Prussian arrival. Then the soldiers would have followed them, Napoleon's army at Waterloo was made up of hardened veterans that had fought in previous campaigns and joined up voluntarily during the 100 days.
@f3wbs He did, he brought up horse artillery after a few charges, and had them fire grapeshot right into the squares, which quickly became killing grounds and Wellington began to doubt his squares could withstand another charge, and it was at this moment that Ney wanted to bring up the Imperial Guard, but Napoleon said no...and we never learn why he said no, cause Napoleon does use the guard to attack...like 2 hours later after Wellington had reformed his center.
Cavalry did not carry pistols as I have mentioned either. Only the elites, such as a few officers. Therefore once they reached the square, they would face a hedge of muskets, and if needed, the opposite side of the square from the charge would turn and fire on the cavalry inside the square if they miraculously broke through. In the preliminary engagement to Waterloo, Quatre-Bras, a British Highland Regiment, the 42nd, formed square around a unit of French Currasiers, and bayoneted them inside.
Don't make that assumption, the soldiers would wait until the cavalry are about 30 yards away before firing by rank, the musket fire would be accurate, and the horsemen behind would no doubt trip over the stricken horses in front. This was te problem Ney found himself in at Waterloo, piles of horses and dead bodies were thrown outside the squares, and the cavalry found it increasingly hard to enagage in combat. The troops in the square would even throw their dead comrades out as a buffer.
@donorleone No he wasn't. If you look up the 1970 Waterloo movie on wikipedia, and look up mistakes, you'll get "The Duke of Gordon is depicted as leading his Gordon Highlanders into battle; in fact, the Duke was not present and the Lieutenant Colonel of the regiment, John Cameron of Fassifern, had been killed at the battle of Quatre Bras on 16 June" and if you read the Waterloo Order of Battle, John Cameron of Fassifern is leading the Gordon Highlanders.
I wasn't entirely sure about that fact when I did this. I knew that he sort of had total command of the calvary, and only the calvary, so I wasn't sure if command would fall onto him if Wellington had bought it.
I was basing this off of movies. It happen in the audio used, with The Four Feathers, and in the movie Waterloo, a babpiper get's a sword to the back in the middle of a square by a carribiner. In the game, squares break down over time when engaged with calvary, and can get easily overwhelmed. 60 cav vs 60 infrantry in square, the square doesn't stand a chance.
4:18 Then ltflak wen't to the bathroom, Then Michael bay snuck in and edited a bit before escaping out a window, flak returned and didn't see the changes and uploaded
@dodow1234 You overestimate the square. The square merely takes away the speed and impact of the charge away from calvery, giving first strike to the infantry. But once that's done, calvery will beat the infantry in a prolonged fight.
@1Historygenius He might have, his horse was shot, so Picton could have indeed have survived, but just because it's a parellel universe doesn't mean he should have survived, it only means that anything can happen.
@expertstrategy Ney's Calvary charge came before the commiting of the Imperial Guard, and in this reality, the charge routs the British, making it unnecessary. I had considered including them as the final part of Ney's attack, but the coordination involved would be monstrous, thus I abandoned the idea.
@LeArmeeduRhine no he doesn't, the film I took the audio from takes place sometime in the later half of the 1884, all the British in the battle had rifles. He says "Officers to the front!"
That depends what you consider victory, if Napoleon had defeated all 4 armies, it's possible he could bully the coalition into the peace he wanted originally to rebuild. Before he returned to power, the coalition was at each other's throats, one things started going wrong for the coalition, it could all fall apart, and peace with the French Empire might seem an attractive proposition, since the coalition would keep the lands it had won in the previous war.
The estimates vary from 10-15,000 cavalry. The initiail attack onlt involved 5,000, but there were multiple attacks on the squares, and the number of horsemen involved grew. There were upwards of 8 seperate attacks.
Yes it might well have been successful, saying that there were French artillery pieces and skirmishers moved up to attack the squares, which suffered some quite considerable damage. The attack by the Middle Guard was indeed too late, and their actual attack was also mismanaged by Ney up the slope, allowing even more time for the British troops to prepare themselves.
@ltflak, the British cavalry was decimated by the French lancers, so Wellington could no longer use them again during the battle. That was a huge advantage the French just achieved. Cavalry are essential if you want to win a decisive victory.
The biggest problem I felt was Napoleon getting in Ney's way, he wanted to guard up as soon as possible, but Napoleon keep delaying until it was too late. And as far as I can tell, there was no logic to delaying the infanty attack.
PS: the "Anglo-Dutch" thing was meant to be taken to the sources. Even on maps drawn you only read "Anglo-Dutch" and you only see the Dutch and British flag. This is while the Army was a British-Dutch-German Army, a joint-forces Army in which soldiers of German principals upheld the clear majority. The german component was the most important one, and is precisely because of this the one most british people do not take into account
I'm not entirely sure the French knew those were Prussians in the distance, I thought historically, they were told that it was Grouchy reinforcing them?
The reason is quite simple... Remember how most of Wellington's battles, he defends? Wellington probably thought that there could be an instant push from the Imperial guard, who were at the time far away, but in pursuit. I only question however, allthought Ney saw an opportunity, why would he attack without support, from neither infantry or artillery, especially when he saw the squares?
LOL Could you imagine the sight of the seeing the Old Guard charging the British with bayonets screaming "WE WANT BREAD!"? The image I just pictured in my head nearly made me die of laughter.
Yeah, but anyway, You did a fine job creating this "napoleonic fairy tale" - Personally, I love this time period very much and I'm very fond of this kind of imagination of " what would have been, if..." thanks again for this beautiful sample of Your work. Hope to see more of it!! Best regards
The French infantry attack at the beginning of the battle was on the verge of crushing the Allied center, but the British cavalry turned a near defeat into a shattering victory.
@slayerfromabove BWA??? The song is called La Victoire est à Nous from the Waterloo soundtrack. Wasn't Königgratzer written by John Williams in The Last Crusade?
Because the Dutch are a separate faction, sticking in a Dutch general with Dutch troops means having them run around AI controlled doing God-knows-what, or having it reversed, with the AI controlling the British, doing anything but holding the historical formations. Another very good reason not to include the Dutch is their blue uniforms, which could confuse viewers who aren't familiar with the time period, and mix them for up French troops. Having them hold a British flag would just confused them even more. Technically speaking I did include a small Dutch force, but I left them far in the background, such as at 5:17, where the Calvary are engaging in the distance.
ltflak i understand but its really bothering i think when (not talking about your video) most videos who talk about Waterloo give crédits to the british and the prussian but completly forget the dutch who did some serious damage during the battle but again without the mention of prince of orange your two videos were really good
Jeff Kodiac not ENTIRELY true. true to a great extent. if they claimed it was solely a british victory, they wouldnt have called it the Anglo-Dutch Alliance. they gave some credit to the Dutch who served that day. but they never ever credit the prussians as being the ones who saved the day.
Yeah, he showed no brilliance in his tactics, Wellington knew how to counter every tactic he used cause they were already old. Still, given that the allies were at each other's thoats before Napoleon's return, and that his tactic was to engage each of them before they could link up, I'd say there was a fair chance he could have broken up the allies using speed, and have broken up the alliance.
That was my original plan, but that'd be almost impossible to film with that AI involved, and the timeline of events (basically the AI would have to attack with infantry after a bunch a cavalry have already died on the field)
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@bloodngutspatriot The reason why the prussians were not in this video probably has to do with the fact that they didnt show up until Napoleon Commited his Guard just before the prussians arrived. In this we see Ney's Cavalry charge succeed. So therefore Napoleon's Guard was still in reserve
Depending on the circumstances, had Napoleon died his empire would’ve just collapsed because his son and heir, Franz or Napoleon II, was just four years old at the time and Napoleon’s generals would not have restarted an empire under a child. Had Napoleon only been severely wounded but the Coalition Armies shattered, its very likely both sides would’ve grudgingly been forced to accept a white peace in the war.
Anyway, if you just play the fucking game, when this was filmed with, you'll notice that 3 regiements of heavy calvary (who are fresh) will break any square it comes against. The square removed the advantage of the charge, but in a melee, the formations just deforms until it breaks and they must fight off from all sides. Thats why when filming this, it was the calvary who won the fight, thus letting me film Ney surveying the carnage in the end. I can't duplicate history perfectly with a game.
Wow, I'm absurd, so a barrage of 15 innaccuate muskets would take down 20 horses? What were they using armor piercing rounds? And again, calvary did carry pistols and the horses were very large, any gap would spell disaster and it'd be next to impossible to miss a target like a square at point blank range.
They stayed put. I had wanted to film them finishing off the squares, but that would have been really hard to do with that AI, and the need for hundreds of dead calvary already strewn on the field.
hey dont give such negative comments, this guy worked hard and has a imaginative side to this video, he worked hard and made it look real cool, its like a "what if" video and stuff u know? great job itflak
@TheNikzaw Which is why at the beginning, I said that the battle started on a beautiful morning, meaning it started much earlier, meaning Wellington's forces were weaker at the time of Ney's attack, which made the victory possible. The detail is subtle, but it's there.
I don't think I ever dismounted any officers, except for a few hussars near the end. The graphics are on the high setting, not much else to say. Maybe it's cause I edited the color filter?
Marshal Jean Lannes had died at 1809 at the Battle of Aspern-Essling. Marshal Murat deserted Napoleon after his defeat against the Sixth Coalition. Second If Napoleon had put as commander of his left flank Field Marshal Louis-Nicolas Davout then the war would had finished on the 16th June 1815
@TheNikzaw I disagree with most historians over their opinion over Ney's calvery charge. While it did start out as a mistake on Ney's part, it did do what Napoleon was unable to do, drive Wellington off his hill. While the first stage of the attack did end up ulitmiatly losing, it still did the most damage to Wellington of the day. I do belive that had Ney been in complete command that day, he would have beaten Wellington, and that was the point I was trying to make. It was Napoleon at fault
Well this is a complete fantasy, isn't it...And Picton didn't lose his hat, he wore the battered old Top Hat though most of the Peninsular War as well as at Waterloo - the brim protected his eyes from sunlight.
I think you're referring to the Battle of Garcia Hernandez, right after Salamanca, when the 1st and 2nd Dragoons from the KGL broke through 2 French squares.
My four time Great Grandfather Nikolaus Dietrich (a German from Alcase Lorraine) fought in the Grande Armee at Waterloo and was captured by the Prussians (so I assume that he was a part of Grouchy's 30'000 sent to pursue them). He spent almost a year at a POW camp at Danzig, I'd bet anything that he was a translator between the German speaking Prussians and his French speaking comrades. He was also 20 years old when he survived the Russian invasion and retreat and fought at the Battle of Leipzig too. If I ever have a son, his middle name will be Nikolaus in his honour
Fascinating story. The only thing I know of my family's military history was that we had a Prussian Uhlan sometime during the era when photographs were a thing.
10 yaşındayken seyretmiştim. Güzel zamanlardı, annem öğlenci olan beni okuldan alır ve nugget yapardî akşam yemeğine. Kostümler, kalsik mavi vs kırmızı mücadelesinde ben hep maviyi tutardım. Arada geçen 9 yılda benim adıma o kadar çok şey değişti ki. Bu video, o değişim zincirinden önceki video gibi. Dershane bursu ve ardından gelen her şeyden önce... Ahh Vakit ne kadar hızlı ve yavaşsın aynı zamanda.
Ney was actual basically in full command. Napoleon, in his depressed and ill state, gave him most of the control of the battle until the very end when Napoleon ordered in the Garde
I don`t want to fuss around in this matter, but I think it wasn't Lannes who attacked the center (and thus La Haye Sainte), because at the time the battle of Waterloo took place he was already dead (he was killed in the battle of Aspern-Essling 1809), but Drouet d' Erlon. I am really sorry for this I-know-it-all attitude it's meant just for informational matters :-). I find the vid grandious anyway!
@103littlebastard I will, I'm planning on doing an Alternate Trafagar where the French win a pyrrhic victory but both Spanish and French admirals are killed and where Nelson survives and heroicly get's what's left of his fleet back home alive.
I think the reason why murat wasn't fighting alongside Napoleon at waterloo was because he was too busy fighting the austrians in the Neapolitan War (i know this is an alternate universe, but i'm just pointing out real life history here)
@TheNikzaw Then you've never played the game. 160 heavy calvery can beat 160 men in square easily. Square isn't as powerful as you think. It provides a first-time advantage that last about 30 seconds. After that, in just becomes a general melee and in which calvery have the advantage. Once the squares start deforming, it's all over.
@expertstrategy Even with the center crushed, I question if Wellington couldn't have just closed in on all sides and smashed the French with calvary anyway...In fact, this brings up a question I've always wondered. Where was the British calvary at the time of Ney's charge? Why didn't they try a flank attack, or prehaps chase the French back so Ney couldn't bring up more horses and cannons?
Grouchy had been out of communication for hours. They knew it was the Prussians, that's why Lobau's VI corps was dispatched to cover the line along Plancenoit, protecting his right flank. I think your scenario is heavily factored in the French favor, with those conditions it would be astonishing if they didn't massacre the British. The fact that the battlefield is dry alone would have allowed the superior french artillery to more effectively wear down the Brits through the day.
The point of the imperial guard isnt to just aid cavalry charges. The point of the Old guard is kind of like Napoleon's last resort (which is why they were the last to take Hougoumont). The point is, Napoleon didn't send Ney to charge, which is obvious in the movie because he gets pissed. So the moral is, a man rode to battle, only to be sent back by squares, and have his master pissed =D
I would have thought that if Marshal Lannes had lived till Waterloo, we would have been the Second in Command due to his military expertise and his connection to Napoleon instead of Ney.
Yes, he was a great Marshall as well as being perhaps Napoleon's closest friend. Napoleon was devastated when Lannes was killed.
Benjamin Lee Marshall Davout should have been second in command he would never charged with 10000 cavalrymen
@@ebbu.planespotting1903 I say he could have won if he had Davout, Massena in his Prime years, and Lannes with legs
@@sunwukong798 no not really that would change history in total but just Davout in place of Ney and the change would be enormous
@@ebbu.planespotting1903 Yeah I know right? Davout would never have gone and thrown a massive cavalry charge out of the blue like that
If Marshall Grouchy had pursued the Prussians after beating them at Ligny they mightnt have reached Waterloo to reinforce the British. Also Napoleon's tactics were not up to scratch perhaps because he hadn't been in the field for a year and was ill. Unusually he adopted a predictable full frontal assault, which meant numbers would decide.
he needed the battle. if he let welington dessingage and the britih made it back to the marching in prussians it would have been total defeat. and welington had the supperior position. it was a gamble of the french numbers beeing strong enaugh to break the british center in time. your right gruchy did a big strategical misstake. if maybe davout would have been in command... and not just with the guard... anyhow... if the battle would have been won - with our without grouchys wing... the campaign would probably still be lost do to prussian, swedish and russian reserves on the march. another 80-100k troops. french reserves had worn out
WHERE'S GROUCHY
Fuech gave the British the plans of battle in waterloo and they almost still lost.
@@marka7759 devout was in Paris.
@@danduerkop1370 yep! Guard reserve
@TheNikzaw I thought Marshal Ney's attack was the most effective attack made by the French at Waterloo, but his attack was incomplete. Ney had wanted the Guard to to strike when the last of the calvery withdrawed while the British were still in square, but Napoleon said no, which gave Wellington time to reform the center.
that or he could had used the regs to follow up.
From Waterloo: "Commanders of armies have something better to do than to fire at each other."
Love the machinima btw!
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I love that movie, I have seen it so much. Finally I see somebody who knows it!
@@ivan0525wow Waterloo is tied with Dr.Strangelove for my all time favourite film
Justin it’s one of my favorite films ever. I love it
i always come back to this video every once in a while... its just so well done and i imagine a world where this scenario actually did occur!
I would just be sad that Napoleon died here....
haha he didn't die i think he just fell off his horse lol cause he makes that little embarrassed grunt
Napoleon would have been defeated just a couple of weeks alter by the Austrians and Russians
me too bruh
Revenge is always a good thing to fight for, plus, it wouldn't have been entirely clear if he was dead or injured. Like Napoleon said in that Heroes and Villains, "angry men are gold".
beautiful film, that. "you don't have to take this fort with me, but I must insist that you come and watch ME take it"
great video! loving the return of lannes and murat!
Seeing more of these battles would be epic. I subscribed for more. Heck, even seeing a representation of the Boshin War would be pretty sick
If I ever saw a good Boshin War movie, I'd make that video.
The scene is a homage to the similar scene in Alexander, where it was thought that Alexander the Great had just taken an arrow and died, which caused a sudden rage in the army, that caused them to furiously attack the enemy even though they were losing, and beat them back.
Wellington: " Where the .... is Blucher? Retreat, retreat!"
@Grimmsaw I the video I meant it for Ney charging after seeing Napoleon get hit by artillery. The world turning red is a refrence to the movie Alexander where it appears Alexander is killed by an arrow, and the army becomes enraged, and begin a renewed charge while the world appears to turn to blood in Alexander's perspective. The idea being that the French, so enraged at the death of their Emperor that they would commit totatlly to the charge, and nothing will stop them.
@calistotanzi Christ I know, your like the 10 person to say so, not realizing that I stuck him in there to show this is a battle from an "Alternate" universe, but everyone misses the point. I get it, I suck.
Napoleon was injured but survived, a bullet or any weapon of war can't take that man down
Whoa. Never seen the French cavalry and Marshal Ney being extremely pissed-off.
I love the sound your using for the video because I’ve seen the movie you’re using. It’s an amazing movie and this is a good video
This is superb use of cinematices and voice acting.
Brilliant I just loved it.
Look forward to more!
@theathiestalaby Well accually, Ney did have artillery support towards the end (he brought up horse artillery which fired point blank). The attacked which started in Wellington's favor, soon turned against him, and ended in a draw. By the end of the last charge, Wellington had had it, another charge and he knew he was finished, and it was this moment that Ney wanted to bring up the old guard, but Napoleon said no. I wanted to film it like this, but that would have been enormously difficult.
This is a work of art. Ignore the idiots who flame you for being historically inaccurate when it is clearly stated in the title and description and took place in an "alternate universe". Especially people like
+Max Barton xD who is a British fangay and gets too butthurt when he sees his countrymen get their asses handed to them in a video game movie lol
using audio from two of my favorite movies I salute you
@theathiestalaby Plus, all the other infantry attacks ended in heavy loses for the French, which never even moved the British from the hill, and never from those attacks were the British ever severly tested. Whereas Ney's attack was the closet the French came to winning the battle, it drove the British off the hill and sheer force of calvary in the attack really did strike fear in the infantry squares. You can't look at casualties alone when determining what was a successful attack.
@TheNikzaw Like what? Wellington's position was such that only frontal attacks were possible, and only massed frontal attacks could do any damage.
I don't know about that. From what I understand, Ney wanted to hit Wellington with the Garde right after the calvary charge, and Napoleon said no, which gave the British time to regroup.
Spyglass is a combo effect in Adobe Premiere, it's been a long time so I don't quite remember the effect, maybe it was circle and spherize? Differnt flags are just parts of mods.
Where the hell was Blucher and his Prussians!?
its an alternate scenario which shows what could have happened if the prussians didnt show up, you should just read the title of the video
j wewa The least they could do is provide an explanation.
Deutschland die Schöne an explanation why the prussians didnt showed up ? no, that whould be stupid, this is supposed to show how wellington could have lost, and not why or how the prussians did
Part 2.
The real reason I didn't show them is because I could not predict what Blucher would do if the British were already retreating from the field. There would be no way for him to link up, and his force would be smaller then Napoleon's, but at the same time, the French would be spread out, routing the British.
Marshal Jean Lannes wasn't alive in 1815 and was not at Waterloo. Lannes was killed at Aspern-Essling in 1809 by Austrian artillery.
+Sam Reynolds You obviously never read the description, have you?
Young Sinatra exactly... died later after 2 days for the injuries suffered. Legs broken under the knees. He was been a great mashal.. probably one of the best.
I love how it switches between "the last samurai" and "The four feathers" all the time!
I can appreciate the effort that went into making this video,well done!
If anyone else wants to try it the first thing you need is fraps to record it.
Yeah, I stuck him in there to clearly indicate that it's a parallel universe, but everyone seems to have misinterpreted this.
Wow. That was amazing. I congratulate you on such an awesome video!
As Ney said when inducing Napoleon's abdication: "The army will follow its chiefs". If the generals had continued to fight which seems the most likely scenario - the coalition forces were a whisker away from defeat before the Prussian arrival. Then the soldiers would have followed them, Napoleon's army at Waterloo was made up of hardened veterans that had fought in previous campaigns and joined up voluntarily during the 100 days.
@f3wbs He did, he brought up horse artillery after a few charges, and had them fire grapeshot right into the squares, which quickly became killing grounds and Wellington began to doubt his squares could withstand another charge, and it was at this moment that Ney wanted to bring up the Imperial Guard, but Napoleon said no...and we never learn why he said no, cause Napoleon does use the guard to attack...like 2 hours later after Wellington had reformed his center.
Cavalry did not carry pistols as I have mentioned either. Only the elites, such as a few officers. Therefore once they reached the square, they would face a hedge of muskets, and if needed, the opposite side of the square from the charge would turn and fire on the cavalry inside the square if they miraculously broke through. In the preliminary engagement to Waterloo, Quatre-Bras, a British Highland Regiment, the 42nd, formed square around a unit of French Currasiers, and bayoneted them inside.
This is absolutely awesome. Bloody well done. Love to see some more napoleonic battles from you.
Don't make that assumption, the soldiers would wait until the cavalry are about 30 yards away before firing by rank, the musket fire would be accurate, and the horsemen behind would no doubt trip over the stricken horses in front. This was te problem Ney found himself in at Waterloo, piles of horses and dead bodies were thrown outside the squares, and the cavalry found it increasingly hard to enagage in combat. The troops in the square would even throw their dead comrades out as a buffer.
@donorleone No he wasn't. If you look up the 1970 Waterloo movie on wikipedia, and look up mistakes, you'll get "The Duke of Gordon is depicted as leading his Gordon Highlanders into battle; in fact, the Duke was not present and the Lieutenant Colonel of the regiment, John Cameron of Fassifern, had been killed at the battle of Quatre Bras on 16 June" and if you read the Waterloo Order of Battle, John Cameron of Fassifern is leading the Gordon Highlanders.
I wasn't entirely sure about that fact when I did this. I knew that he sort of had total command of the calvary, and only the calvary, so I wasn't sure if command would fall onto him if Wellington had bought it.
I was basing this off of movies. It happen in the audio used, with The Four Feathers, and in the movie Waterloo, a babpiper get's a sword to the back in the middle of a square by a carribiner. In the game, squares break down over time when engaged with calvary, and can get easily overwhelmed. 60 cav vs 60 infrantry in square, the square doesn't stand a chance.
4:18 Then ltflak wen't to the bathroom, Then Michael bay snuck in and edited a bit before escaping out a window, flak returned and didn't see the changes and uploaded
Hey, that was how Last Samurai was edited, I only followed it's example.
Wow that was funny
@dodow1234 You overestimate the square. The square merely takes away the speed and impact of the charge away from calvery, giving first strike to the infantry. But once that's done, calvery will beat the infantry in a prolonged fight.
@1Historygenius He might have, his horse was shot, so Picton could have indeed have survived, but just because it's a parellel universe doesn't mean he should have survived, it only means that anything can happen.
@expertstrategy Ney's Calvary charge came before the commiting of the Imperial Guard, and in this reality, the charge routs the British, making it unnecessary. I had considered including them as the final part of Ney's attack, but the coordination involved would be monstrous, thus I abandoned the idea.
@LeArmeeduRhine no he doesn't, the film I took the audio from takes place sometime in the later half of the 1884, all the British in the battle had rifles. He says "Officers to the front!"
actually, the 42nd Black Watch was part of Picton's counter-attack at Waterloo, but they were routed by the 45th French ligne Regiment.
@Varyalover He's coming in my sequel, he'll arive the next day, but he'll have a stronger force then what Napoleon has left.
That depends what you consider victory, if Napoleon had defeated all 4 armies, it's possible he could bully the coalition into the peace he wanted originally to rebuild. Before he returned to power, the coalition was at each other's throats, one things started going wrong for the coalition, it could all fall apart, and peace with the French Empire might seem an attractive proposition, since the coalition would keep the lands it had won in the previous war.
The estimates vary from 10-15,000 cavalry. The initiail attack onlt involved 5,000, but there were multiple attacks on the squares, and the number of horsemen involved grew. There were upwards of 8 seperate attacks.
Super ! Vraiment bien réalisé et magnifique !
Oh, thank you! :) I didn't realize the CC would also translate things. Thanks very much!
Yes it might well have been successful, saying that there were French artillery pieces and skirmishers moved up to attack the squares, which suffered some quite considerable damage. The attack by the Middle Guard was indeed too late, and their actual attack was also mismanaged by Ney up the slope, allowing even more time for the British troops to prepare themselves.
Most people dont know that napoleon actually didnt set foot on the battlefield in waterloo, he was sick from stomach pains
@ltflak, the British cavalry was decimated by the French lancers, so Wellington could no longer use them again during the battle. That was a huge advantage the French just achieved. Cavalry are essential if you want to win a decisive victory.
The biggest problem I felt was Napoleon getting in Ney's way, he wanted to guard up as soon as possible, but Napoleon keep delaying until it was too late. And as far as I can tell, there was no logic to delaying the infanty attack.
there is an error, marshal lannes died in 1809 when he was shot in the knee by a cannon shot.
PS: the "Anglo-Dutch" thing was meant to be taken to the sources. Even on maps drawn you only read "Anglo-Dutch" and you only see the Dutch and British flag.
This is while the Army was a British-Dutch-German Army, a joint-forces Army in which soldiers of German principals upheld the clear majority. The german component was the most important one, and is precisely because of this the one most british people do not take into account
@Grimmsaw I don't know, it's part of the Four Feathers soundtrack, which I was never really able to find online.
I'm not entirely sure the French knew those were Prussians in the distance, I thought historically, they were told that it was Grouchy reinforcing them?
0:18 Is that the song from Star Wars called padme ruminations?
That's what the video info says.
The reason is quite simple...
Remember how most of Wellington's battles, he defends? Wellington probably thought that there could be an instant push from the Imperial guard, who were at the time far away, but in pursuit. I only question however, allthought Ney saw an opportunity, why would he attack without support, from neither infantry or artillery, especially when he saw the squares?
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Could you imagine the sight of the seeing the Old Guard charging the British with bayonets screaming "WE WANT BREAD!"? The image I just pictured in my head nearly made me die of laughter.
Yeah, but anyway, You did a fine job creating this "napoleonic fairy tale" - Personally, I love this time period very much and I'm very fond of this kind of imagination of " what would have been, if..." thanks again for this beautiful sample of Your work. Hope to see more of it!! Best regards
@LeArmeeduRhine Add some drama to an otherwise over done battle? If your doing an alternate universe, you've got to make it exciting!
The French infantry attack at the beginning of the battle was on the verge of crushing the Allied center, but the British cavalry turned a near defeat into a shattering victory.
@slayerfromabove BWA??? The song is called La Victoire est à Nous from the Waterloo soundtrack. Wasn't Königgratzer written by John Williams in The Last Crusade?
I wonder why you didn't involve the commitment of the Imperial Guard, that is one of the most famous parts of the Battle of Waterloo.
why do all these Waterloo movie ect forget the prince of orange and the dutch foce would really helped the british during the battle
Because the Dutch are a separate faction, sticking in a Dutch general with Dutch troops means having them run around AI controlled doing God-knows-what, or having it reversed, with the AI controlling the British, doing anything but holding the historical formations. Another very good reason not to include the Dutch is their blue uniforms, which could confuse viewers who aren't familiar with the time period, and mix them for up French troops. Having them hold a British flag would just confused them even more. Technically speaking I did include a small Dutch force, but I left them far in the background, such as at 5:17, where the Calvary are engaging in the distance.
ltflak i understand but its really bothering i think when (not talking about your video) most videos who talk about Waterloo give crédits to the british and the prussian but completly forget the dutch who did some serious damage during the battle but again without the mention of prince of orange your two videos were really good
athomicritics British propaganda . They still continue to claim that Waterloo was a " British " victory and many of them believe this nonsense ..
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not ENTIRELY true. true to a great extent.
if they claimed it was solely a british victory, they wouldnt have called it the Anglo-Dutch Alliance. they gave some credit to the Dutch who served that day. but they never ever credit the prussians as being the ones who saved the day.
Joshie Walker Sorry but i never heard a British said " Waterloo is a Anglo-Dutch victory "
Yeah, he showed no brilliance in his tactics, Wellington knew how to counter every tactic he used cause they were already old. Still, given that the allies were at each other's thoats before Napoleon's return, and that his tactic was to engage each of them before they could link up, I'd say there was a fair chance he could have broken up the allies using speed, and have broken up the alliance.
That was my original plan, but that'd be almost impossible to film with that AI involved, and the timeline of events (basically the AI would have to attack with infantry after a bunch a cavalry have already died on the field)
OMG, f*cking Epic movie!
and the most awsome sound effects that i have 'headr' in any napoleon total war movie! Nicely Done!
@EdwardACS Machinima -definition- •The rendering of computer-generated imagery using low-end (real time) 3D engines such as those found in video games, as opposed to the high-end, complex 3D engines used by professionals; The genre of films created by such techniques
@bloodngutspatriot The reason why the prussians were not in this video probably has to do with the fact that they didnt show up until Napoleon Commited his Guard just before the prussians arrived. In this we see Ney's Cavalry charge succeed. So therefore Napoleon's Guard was still in reserve
@TheManofthecross The Imperial Guard took care of them, but I didn't film that as the battle was pretty much over.
If this had happened, we would all be speaking french right now.
Maybe? No one knows
Depending on the circumstances, had Napoleon died his empire would’ve just collapsed because his son and heir, Franz or Napoleon II, was just four years old at the time and Napoleon’s generals would not have restarted an empire under a child. Had Napoleon only been severely wounded but the Coalition Armies shattered, its very likely both sides would’ve grudgingly been forced to accept a white peace in the war.
Anyway, if you just play the fucking game, when this was filmed with, you'll notice that 3 regiements of heavy calvary (who are fresh) will break any square it comes against. The square removed the advantage of the charge, but in a melee, the formations just deforms until it breaks and they must fight off from all sides. Thats why when filming this, it was the calvary who won the fight, thus letting me film Ney surveying the carnage in the end. I can't duplicate history perfectly with a game.
Wow, I'm absurd, so a barrage of 15 innaccuate muskets would take down 20 horses? What were they using armor piercing rounds? And again, calvary did carry pistols and the horses were very large, any gap would spell disaster and it'd be next to impossible to miss a target like a square at point blank range.
They stayed put. I had wanted to film them finishing off the squares, but that would have been really hard to do with that AI, and the need for hundreds of dead calvary already strewn on the field.
hey dont give such negative comments, this guy worked hard and has a imaginative side to this video, he worked hard and made it look real cool, its like a "what if" video and stuff u know? great job itflak
@TheNikzaw Which is why at the beginning, I said that the battle started on a beautiful morning, meaning it started much earlier, meaning Wellington's forces were weaker at the time of Ney's attack, which made the victory possible. The detail is subtle, but it's there.
Not to mention lannes and Murat were not at the battle, one being dead, the other sent away by Napoleon...
I don't think I ever dismounted any officers, except for a few hussars near the end. The graphics are on the high setting, not much else to say. Maybe it's cause I edited the color filter?
@Might1789 napoleon didn't die in this video, he just got seriously wounded
Marshal Jean Lannes had died at 1809 at the Battle of Aspern-Essling. Marshal Murat deserted Napoleon after his defeat against the Sixth Coalition. Second If Napoleon had put as commander of his left flank Field Marshal Louis-Nicolas Davout then the war would had finished on the 16th June 1815
@KijinnoKamen There already is a subtitle for the French speaking parts. Click the CC button in the lower right part of the youtube videoscreen.
@TheNikzaw I disagree with most historians over their opinion over Ney's calvery charge. While it did start out as a mistake on Ney's part, it did do what Napoleon was unable to do, drive Wellington off his hill. While the first stage of the attack did end up ulitmiatly losing, it still did the most damage to Wellington of the day. I do belive that had Ney been in complete command that day, he would have beaten Wellington, and that was the point I was trying to make. It was Napoleon at fault
Well this is a complete fantasy, isn't it...And Picton didn't lose his hat, he wore the battered old Top Hat though most of the Peninsular War as well as at Waterloo - the brim protected his eyes from sunlight.
Edax THANK YOU WERY MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO
I think you're referring to the Battle of Garcia Hernandez, right after Salamanca, when the 1st and 2nd Dragoons from the KGL broke through 2 French squares.
My four time Great Grandfather Nikolaus Dietrich (a German from Alcase Lorraine) fought in the Grande Armee at Waterloo and was captured by the Prussians (so I assume that he was a part of Grouchy's 30'000 sent to pursue them). He spent almost a year at a POW camp at Danzig, I'd bet anything that he was a translator between the German speaking Prussians and his French speaking comrades. He was also 20 years old when he survived the Russian invasion and retreat and fought at the Battle of Leipzig too. If I ever have a son, his middle name will be Nikolaus in his honour
Fascinating story. The only thing I know of my family's military history was that we had a Prussian Uhlan sometime during the era when photographs were a thing.
@@Edax_RoyeauxThanks. Love the video and part two as well
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Ney was actual basically in full command. Napoleon, in his depressed and ill state, gave him most of the control of the battle until the very end when Napoleon ordered in the Garde
I don`t want to fuss around in this matter, but I think it wasn't Lannes who attacked the center (and thus La Haye Sainte), because at the time the battle of Waterloo took place he was already dead (he was killed in the battle of Aspern-Essling 1809), but Drouet d' Erlon. I am really sorry for this I-know-it-all attitude it's meant just for informational matters :-). I find the vid grandious anyway!
@103littlebastard I will, I'm planning on doing an Alternate Trafagar where the French win a pyrrhic victory but both Spanish and French admirals are killed and where Nelson survives and heroicly get's what's left of his fleet back home alive.
I think the reason why murat wasn't fighting alongside Napoleon at waterloo was because he was too busy fighting the austrians in the Neapolitan War (i know this is an alternate universe, but i'm just pointing out real life history here)
Your videos are awesome. Great work
@TheNikzaw Then you've never played the game. 160 heavy calvery can beat 160 men in square easily. Square isn't as powerful as you think. It provides a first-time advantage that last about 30 seconds. After that, in just becomes a general melee and in which calvery have the advantage. Once the squares start deforming, it's all over.
@expertstrategy Even with the center crushed, I question if Wellington couldn't have just closed in on all sides and smashed the French with calvary anyway...In fact, this brings up a question I've always wondered. Where was the British calvary at the time of Ney's charge? Why didn't they try a flank attack, or prehaps chase the French back so Ney couldn't bring up more horses and cannons?
@103littlebastard There's also 15 other things listed in the video info. This was meant to be an "Alternate" battle
@thanoylas The mod removes the smoke from moving soldiers.
Grouchy had been out of communication for hours. They knew it was the Prussians, that's why Lobau's VI corps was dispatched to cover the line along Plancenoit, protecting his right flank.
I think your scenario is heavily factored in the French favor, with those conditions it would be astonishing if they didn't massacre the British. The fact that the battlefield is dry alone would have allowed the superior french artillery to more effectively wear down the Brits through the day.
The point of the imperial guard isnt to just aid cavalry charges. The point of the Old guard is kind of like Napoleon's last resort (which is why they were the last to take Hougoumont). The point is, Napoleon didn't send Ney to charge, which is obvious in the movie because he gets pissed. So the moral is, a man rode to battle, only to be sent back by squares, and have his master pissed =D