Exactly. He should explain his recorded comments when he was in the coastguard and right after he shot him. Also the father being pictured at a KKK rally in 2016.
Fact: Mr. Arbery was a convicted felon who was doing his time on probation. If caught even for a minor charge/offense. Arbery was likely going to prison if he complied. This was obviously the reason Arbery ran and eventually attacked the man holding a shotgun - not vigilante murderous racism as you want to believe.
What crime did Ahmaud Arbery commit on 23 February 2020? Trespassing? I've gone in construction sites of houses, just to see the progress, get an Idea for when I can build my own house. Several people went into that structure, White and Black, not that the race should not matter. No one is Innocent, let the Justice fit the crime. Or should we hope that you get the same 'Justice' that he got. Cause eventually, you will cross the line, we all do to some level.
@@puggmonkey Repeated trespassing. The neighbors/police all wanted to understand. Approaching and asking questions is normal behaviour. Physically attacking man with shotgun or without a shotgun is a crime.
@@davea556 Sorry dude, If someone with a shotgun is chasing me, I will run, If I can't run, I will fight. That's part of the flaw of your logic. Having a gun doesn't give authority. I bet your logic changes if you had been a white man in a 'Getto'. Personally, ifI was one of the defendants, I would have a Camera, take pictures and take them from distance. and give them to the police, or at least keep a safe distance and let the Police confront him. Instead, they took the authority on their own hands. That's called vigilantism... Look it up.
@@puggmonkey Flaw - Arbery was running way before they got in truck to follow. right? Also, Arbery wasn't running from the gun - he ran into it. Watch the video - its clear Arbery ran toward the gun.
I'm confused, who exactly is on trial here? I could have sworn it was the three racist good ole boys with confederate flag license plates on their pickups who chased down and killed a black man with nothing more than suspicion, but it sounds like the black man who was hunted and killed is the one actually on trial.
I totally agree with you. Sadly, this is 'justice' in America. If the victim is Black (even if s/he has been murdered by the defendants), s/he is always put on trial as part of the shenanigans. Same thing happened with George Floyd. This is nothing new. Apparently, the Constitution /rules/legal guidelines are only applicable to certain people. This is why the system is problematic. The way Rules/laws are enforced changes based on the demographic of the accused. Wide latitude and leeway are given for 'people' like the McMichaels and Bryans of the country. Evidence is managed to incriminate OR absolve based on the whim and political persuasion of a judge, We have seen case after case that has been handled with wide swings in how justice is managed. And notice how they refused to allow into evidence the "F'n N*****' comment that Travis McMichael hurled over Arbery's dead body right after he murdered him . Lol. Clown court trying to pass as real justice isn't helpful to all.
AND Let's not even get into what happens at crime scenes! These 3 murderers were treated like law enforcement colleagues rather than suspects. The whole incident was swept under the rug until the Bryan video was leaked and showed how the whole thing went down! ! IT makes one wonder how many other times over the centuries crimes have been literally buried to protect horrible people.
The state would bring that up if they felt like they needed it to win. This is an extremely easy case. Both sides will use anything to win, the judge plays as referee to ensure everything is fair.
He wasn't fired. He had two heart attacks and missed the mandatory training you need to carry a gun and a badge. Hardly a smear on his character, but it does show that he needed to lay off the red meat.
@@neoepicurean3772 Im glad he miss the training we got enuff white racist cop in the American one less the black man have to worry about but than again he still managed to find a way to kill black man I guess for running in the neighborhood
If he’s a felon it does matter, that shows His intent in that neighborhood and go into the house. Why would a homeowner home put cameras in that structure.
No it doesn't actually. He lived around there. Give me a break dude. He was jogging and he was very interested in architecture. Many are interested and check out a new build and watch the progress etc. But he is black so he must have been doing something wrong? That poor man is not the one on trial. They are. This judge has been amazing. Patient and measured etc. He is not letting them pull BS. Too many people let their bias, conscious or unconscious, cloud their decisions. Because they have gotten away with it for so long in this country and are so jaded by their own racism that they don't even think they are doing or saying anything wrong!! It's crazy!! It must be the black guys fault, he must have been doing something wrong, he is black so he had to be doing something nefarious. Check your racism people. This country is patheticly and unapologetically racist. They refuse to look in the mirror and admit they might be wrong. Narcissism, Dunning Kruger, cognitive dissonance. Thank god for this judge being a true fair judge. Unlike the sham of a trial for the loser that murdered protesters for no reason. Just because he wanted to kill people. The judge was an absolute joke. Bias and racist as all hell. They made that clear to the world. They layed their own character bare.
@@jor5204 Lol. Even the homeowner, Larry English, testified that Ahmaud never stole a thing. Come again?!?! You have the same mindset as the convicted felons. Keep making assumptions and you’ll end up where they’re at.
@Richard you used your flawed judgment just to prove my point. They had no right to corner anybody who wasn’t in the commission of a crime or perceived past crimes! They trapped Arbery and as you said he had no choice but to defend himself. He’s went all the way around that truck trying to dodge Travis and Travis decided to confront him at the front of his truck. He could’ve kept a safe distance behind his truck but he decided that he was going to engage with Arbery! There’s no justification for chasing someone with loaded guns threatening to blow their head off and proceeded to try to do just that. The intent was to kill and that’s that! 3 life sentences indicates that the jury agrees! So, take your entitlement and racism elsewhere. 🤡💩
Exactly! The police must have reasonable articulatable suspicion in order to detain and question you. You still have the right to remain silent. th-cam.com/video/_-hHzvQHGVI/w-d-xo.html
@@qr6422 i understood what he likely meant. Pleading the 5th also has limitations. Although I'm not a lawyer, my point is "never" and "always" are rarely true statements.
@@RoseInTheWeeds in my opinion, both sides got what they wanted. One side, got a dead criminal. The other side, got 3 convicted criminals. Good day for all in my book.
I don't care if he was dragging a tv down the road, normal human beings dont all get their guns and chase down a petty criminal to shoot and kill them. And Ahmaud i would like to point out had NOTHING on him so he clearly had not stolen anything!
Makes sense as the story is he was just jogging and they thought of him as suspicious. However, the defense says, no he was being suspicious at night in the neighborhood multiple times, police were called and we were reasonable to assume he was up to no good. The issue with these trials, is that the public takes a simple manslaughter or murder case, and lies about the victim to make it something that it wasn't. It wastes time. From his actions, it's reasonable people would be suspicious. What's not reasonable is how they went about it.
@@glitterandspice6636 You are suspicious to me. Obviously you are racist and don't like white people... It's obvious that you're a racist if you're suspicious of people because of their skin color. 🙄 sad...
@@AMan-iv2rb 2021 is no different than any other year when it comes to racism. It has existed since the colonization of what is now the US. And will likely always exist as long as multiple ethnicities exist in one location.
@@barbaraakpakpa3592 This case is hardly racism... Arbery ran and attacked Travis because he was afraid of violating his probation due to Arbery's 2 felony convictions. Niether is the Kyle Rittenhouse self-defense case about racism. Nor was Travon Martin case, Nor Mike Brown 'hands up" fantasy.
@@Truthfully3214 your right because if he was white he would of stopped and explained or apologized.. Same exact thing happened to me and if I acted like him I would of been full of lead too
Exactly! I don't want to talk when I'm shopping and some random person askes me a question. Sometimes I find it very annoying, and then sometimes I don't.
The defendants were unaware of any of that information regarding the deceased prior to posing their actions. Therefor, it is all irrevelant to the defence and demonstrates nothing aside from their desire to villainize the victim. Disgusting.
@@kkarx -It’s disgusting that you’re too ignorant to comprehend, the difference between portraying someone as a saint, and what’s fair and just in terms of a trial. No one is making the assertion that he was a saint. The prosecution and defense mutually agreed, to disallow evidence regarding the past of both the accused and the victim, in this case.
When they are loosing they always look at someones background to justify killing someone. 🙄 Those three came out with guns jumped in a truck in normal clothes for what!. The man is not a cop! He should have sat his old butt down and called the cops. They should look at their FB , social media page and mental health issues. Its clear they dont have it all
Please explain how his record has anything to do with what happened to him. Being on probation has nothing to do with being chased down and killed. This defense has no good argument they are pulling for straws
@@reggiew8884 Anyone that isn't racist can clearly see it was self defense, you only see murder because you think people or a certain group are out to get black people
@Tony From Syracuse There are many productive, accomplished individuals who have had minor brushes with the law. It is irrelevant to Ahmaud being murdered!!
@Confidential confidant he's definitely not going to tolerate the defense doing their job. Clearly the judge is under the thumb of the social media opinion and that was largely precipitated from agenda-driven troll farms in Russia Not terribly ironic that Putin decided to take over the world not long after the Russians proved their ability to manipulate our politics, they have us running around worried about "waysism" while they drove tanks across the border
@@michaelthompson7419 the judge rigged it by not interpreting the law... the McMichaels had every right to pursue the wanted criminal and defend themselves when he ran up and tried to grab their firearms. You can't close the distance on somebody to attack them then claim self-defense😅
ZERO of the 3 men have a record of chasing black men or joggers in any neighborhood in the country Ahmaud has a history at only age 23, of pretending to jog to prowl, use it as an excuse when caught red handed, and attack anyone who confront him, when caught on video, in that exact neighborhood Aug 21,2018 burke county witness report and body camera shows ahmaud was caught by stay at home mom looking into her car windows in her back yard police came to give ahmaud a trespass warning, but when confronted he sais./ "i had gone running" became aggressive, confrontational and repeatedly threatened to whoop the officers ass this is on body camera footage of an Modus Operandi, prtend to be jogging while prowling, get mad and attack whoever catches you oct 23, 2018 ahmaud was caught prowling abandon property, he ran and got caught but claimed he was "jogging" both times ahmaud was seen taking screens off windows and trying to make entry, another trying to get into a door. both times he took off "jogging" ahmaud was known as the jogger by locals because he would would stretch like a jogger, enter several convenince stores, steal and jogging away before he could be caught 1 time a witness cell phone video showed ahmaud getting confronted and attacking a truck stop employee for daring to speak of his theft, he was just "jogging" thru the store and didnt have time to pay oct 25th early AM, ahmaud was seen on a video camera prowling and entering 220 satilla drive NOV 18th early AM, ahmaud was seen on a video camera prowling and entering 220 satilla drive FEB 11th early AM, ahmaud was seen on a video camera prowling and entering 220 satilla drive the video cannot confirm if anything was stolen, and neither can the owner who did not provide tools to contractors it only confirms intent to steal, which is all that's needed for burglary, when you enter a structure or vehicle late at night
@@ihatecrackhead doesn't change the fact that they stalked, stopped, and shot an unarmed black man in a predominantly white neighborhood. Explain that.
@@ItsMotoMatt "stalked, stopped, and shot" nothing wrong with that they yelled "stop or ill blow you head off", hit him with a car and pointed the gun at him. that's illegal, not following him cause you think he did something
They had no business chasing him. They intended to do him harm. Ended up killing him. If they minded their own lives he would be alive today. Plain and simple.
@@theycallmenick -The simplicity of your argument, is intentionally deceptive. Nothing you’ve stated rises to the circumstances in this case. The neighbors didn’t innocently come out of their home, asking what he was doing. No one has a duty to stay, and be questioned by a random person. In fact, if someone is parked in front of my home, on the street, I can’t just walk up to their car and ask them to move. It’s a public street.
@@edwardjones717 if getting chased by a gunman in the car is not attacking then I don know what is. Y’all need to stop defending these murderer when they admitted that they could of stopped the car and called the police.
@@edwardjones717 he tried to run away, did you even watch the cross examination? Best stay quiet and allow others to assume you’re ignorant, rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Yes - then Mr. Arbery the convicted felon who was on probation would have been sentenced to prison. Most likely was the reason Arbery attacked a man holding a shotgun.
But, then people are screaming "defund the police!" 🤦🏼 I think they are guilty of murder, but leftists also wanna defund cops ... What a clusterfuck...
Also, I would add she had nothing to offer to the defense, but her and her mom both wanted their few moments in the spotlight. I wonder if the mother and daughter were aware of the McMichael's racists fb posts? I especially loved it when the prosecutor got his crack at cross examining the daughter, it was then that she regretted ever walking into that courtroom. Just goes to show how TV court show dramas actually make people think they could out smart real life trained lawyers.
All I know as of a few days ago is that these defense attorneys will go down in history as the clowns that they are. These 3 mens have been sentenced and justice has been rightfully served.
Do you actually think it's even vaguely legitimate that this boy's career criminal status was hidden from the jury? This was the most biased media coverage in American history... in a healthy Society this would be grounds for a mistrial
I mean i doubt she gives a shit, she clearly failed at raising him, he steals and burglarizes many private properties, you do it enough and this will happen. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. One less criminal in the world...
Actually 3 less criminals in the world. The McMichaels and Roddy Bryan. I bet here on out while sitting in their cells, Ahmad’s last moments will forever play in their heads.
lol so they want to open the door to talk about ahmauds past and character but they wont do that for travis or greg. incredible lmfao didnt realize ahmaud was the one on trial here
They are trying to figure out what would make him attack a man with a loaded gun. Most people respect people with a gun and comply with the gunman's orders. They say he had some type of mental schizophrenia disorder that causes him to be violent but that information can't be used in court.
@@edwardjones717 I dunno, what made rittenhouse shoot his attackers. What makes a cashier grab at a the robbers gun. What makes a women want to fight against her rapist. Who knows 🤷♂️ but I can take a wild guess, fear of dying or getting hurt. This isn’t rocket science.
@@edwardjones717 it’s unfortunate the mental state can’t be used. It would be extremely hard to know if someone fighting you had a mental problem and you had to decide a moment’s notice when they grabbed your firearm if you were able to defend yourself against a person who had a normal mental capacity or was determined to be mentally handicapped.
@Mary Poppins Okay if you really believe that BS you just sent to me then I have a question for you. What do you think that a billionaire like JEFF BEZOS would have done? Continue to run in 3 other directions that Ahmaud clearly could have done or take a chance in losing his life attacking a man with a loaded shotgun?
@Mary Poppins You are definitely the fool as the video clearly shows that Ahmaud wasn't caged in at all. In fact he ran down the street as he was being followed by the guy who had the video camera and the McMichael's was already way ahead of Ahmaud parked at the corner of the street. Ahmaud continued running towards them and had a choice to either run straight ahead or make a right turn and run into a yard that had a street in front of it. He decided to make the left turn to attack the younger McMichael who had a loaded shotgun.
I mean in all fairness he was confronted by people who live in the neighborhood and then Arbery attacked them and luckily they had a gun to protect themselves.
Well that's the problem they didn't have him cornered like a rat although the guy doing the videoing said that they did. The other two guys have law enforcement experience and knew not to restrict his forward running path. So they didn't and gave him his space to run or walk forward.
Mr. Arbery was a convicted felon who was doing his time on probation. If caught even for a minor charge/offense, Arbery was likely going to prison if he complied. This was obviously the reason Arbery ran and eventually attacked the man holding a shotgun. Why would anyone risk fighting, pushing and punching the man holding a shot gun? See logical reasonable answer above.
@@pokemaster077 Do you mean like Greg McMichael, when he screamed at Ahmaud, " I'm gonna blow you head off n*****!"? Then Ahmaud gets shot. That's reasonable behavior, to YOU?
Oh my friggin’ god. Ahmaud’s past had ZERO impact on these men’s actions. They knew two things about this guy they killed: He was running and he “wasn’t” supposed to be there. This kinda stuff makes me sick. I know defense lawyers need to serve their clients but I seriously wonder if there is any ethical line they won’t cross.
Fact to consider Arbery was certified nut case... a. Evidence of Ahmaud Arbery’s deteriorating mental health as witnessed by family members, neighbors, and his probation officer, leading to the probation officer’s directive that Ahmaud Arbery get a mental health evaluation at Gateway Behavioral Health (”Gateway”) on December 18, 2018. b. The information Ahmaud Arbery provided to the mental health evaluator concerning his auditory delusions sometimes commanding him ”to rob and steal” and sometimes telling him ”to hurt people,” his combative tendencies, his anger, and his difficulty in situations inside and outside his home. 1 c. Evidence from Ahmaud Arbery’s mental health evaluators, who on December 18, 2018, diagnosed him with Schizoaffective
@@davea556 well if all of that is true, he dam well was not exhibiting any of those things that day. He was trying to help his mental health by jogging as all three defendants should have been doing to help there mentally, racist ideology!
@@jewellwilson7812 Was Arbery exhibiting any of these Modes of Operation? Be honest now? On March 14, 2013, security camera Video from South Georgia Technical College reveals Mr. Arbery provided friend pair of wire cutters to use as weapon as he, the friend, and others waited for another group of men to appear. When the other group arrived, Mr. Arbery and the others engaged in violent fight; .' On December 3, 2013, Glynn County Police reports reveal Mr. Arbery unlawfully concealed handgun into his waistband and tried to gain admission into high school basketball game. Officers noticed the butt of the gun protruding from his waistband and ordered for him to stop. Mr. Arbery ran from police, which resulted in two officers sustaining injuries: one because Mr. Arbery scratched his arm to get away; the other because the officer fell and sustained injuries during his chase of Mr. Arbery. Also, the Chief of Police reported that as he chased Mr. Arbery in his vehicle, Mr. Arbery reached into his waistband as if searching for his firearm. Police eventually surrounded Mr. Arbery and charged him. He was later convicted for several felony and misdemeanor charges, including gun possession and obstruction; In June of 2018, 911 audio reveals Mr. Arbery’s mother, Wanda Jones, called 911 due to Mr. Arbery’s refusal to give Ms. Jones her car keys. She made the call from inside her car While Mr. Arbery stood outside her car. During her call to 911, she cautioned the operator that Mr Arbery had mental condition that had ”escalated" over time. Additionally, Ms. Jones told the officer that Mr. Arbery might get violent with the officers due to his mental illness, if they were too confrontational with Mr. Arbery or tried to arrest him or take him into custody; 5. On August 21, 2018, Burke County Witness reports and Burke County Office body cam Video reveals Mr. Arbery was caught by stay-at- home mom who saw him in her backyard looking into the windows of her cars. She called police who found Mr. Arbery at his grandmother’s residence. Police officers arrived to give Mr. Arbery trespass warning about his conduct and behavior. When confronted by the officers about the eye-witness report, he lied said he had ”gone running in the street,” and then became aggressive, confrontational, and repeatedly threatened that he would “whip the officer’s ass” if they didn't leave him alone. He was not arrested; 6. On October 23, 2018, Burke County reports and Burke County officer body cam video reveal Mr. Arbery and two juveniles were confronted in vacant mobile home by the Burke County Sheriff’s Office. Mr. Arbery ran when confronted by the authorities. He was later caught and lied, stating he was just out running, when asked about being in the mobile home. He was charged with misdemeanor obstruction for running when given lawful commands to stop; 7. On December 1, 2018, Glynn County officer body cam video reveals Mr. Arbery was arrested, charged, and later convicted for felony shoplifting by entering store and attempting to steal television; 8. In 2019 and 2020, witness interviews reveal Mr. Arbery was seen by his own neighbors, removing screen from Windows and trying enter their homes through the windows. When confronted by the neighbors about his conduct and behavior, he appeared ”nervous or agitated" and ”trying to figure out where to go." Then he said he was interested in buy the house but ”took off running. On the second occasion, the home owner observed Mr. Arbery trying to gain entrance through door. They again tried to talk to Mr. Arbery but he would not speak or say anything, he simply ran away; 9. In 2019 and 2020, local convenience store Witness interviews reveal Mr. Arbery became known as ”the jogger" for his repeated conduct and behavior of running up, stretching in front in, and then entering several convenience stores where he would grab items and run out before he could be caught; and 10.In 2020, witness cell phone video reveals Mr. Arbery was confronted at convenience store by employees about his theft conduct and behavior. Mr. Arbery, cornered about his thefts, chose to fight man who worked on location at the adjacent truck stop who tried to confront him about it.
The whole neighborhood is at fault because they watch and was yelling and that part been left out this was watched like a movie before it hit the internet. Believe that and some girl leaked the footage don't forget
Totally agree…I wonder have to fight myself from rolling my eyes 👀 or cutting them off for wasting the court’s time. At the end of the day the three individuals are civilians and had no legal right to stop Arbey…none whatsoever.
That's one opinion. I view it like these men tried to question a man running from their neighbors property that they knew wasn't home. At which point he tried to attack them. I don't think anybody expected or wanted it to turn out like this
@@garyhost1830 None of this would have happened if they had simply called law enforcement and minded their damn business after that. What right did they have to go chasing him down in the street like their hunting for game with loaded weapons'? It was at that moment, they fucked up! But they made a conscious decision even though there wasn't any direct threat to those men or their immediate property or family? I own a house in a quiet neighborhood until the kids come around during the summer, play music, smoke weed, play ball, and get loud sometimes but that doesn't mean I'm gonna go outside to hunt them down. I simply call the police to come and check them out. Thats normal shit adults do. But your entitled to your own justification here as am I.
@@DjSmoothNY Yes true, I don't think Arbery should have died it's a shitty situation but the implication of charging a man with murder when he stood still while a man ran 100ft at him and attacked him is that there will be no more self defense. Charge them with the crime of "confronting" Arbery, I just don't think it's a crime to do so. If i thought I saw a guy that was on security footage at my neighbors I would probably follow him and see what he's up to. Outside of the cities everyone carries guns. I should be able to say, hey what are you doing on the property, without being assaulted and being forced to defend myself.
How on earth can Ahmaud's prior history have any bearing on the behavior of the defendants or him on the day of his murder? The defendants couldn't have known it so how it might or might not have had a bearing on his behavior is not germane. And the BS about 'fright or flight' is ridiculous, if someone finds themselves being chased by cars and confronting armed men I would challenge anyone to be able to predict their reaction.
He was on felony probation and still couldn't stop himself from casing a construction site for stuff to steal. If he wasn't murdered he'd be doing a life term within the next couple years. He brought a gun to his school. So whether he was murdered or murdered someone else is immaterial. This was a recipe bound for failure. Teach your children to respect other people's lives and property. Otherwise people won't care about theirs. Period.
I want to remind the defense, after listening to them talk for several days about how it could have been possible to suspect that Mr. Arbrey could have possibly done something somewhere at some time., that we know of nothing whatsoever that he actually did. He was just killed. Tragic.
Consider this reasonable doubt... FACT: Mr. Arbery was a convicted felon who was doing his time on probation. Arbery possible state of mind: If caught even for a minor charge/offense. Arbery was likely going to prison, that is if he complied and did not escape. Arbery ran and inexplicably attacked pushed and punched the man holding a shotgun. Tragic, but not racism or murder.
Well... we know he trespassed, we also know he attacked a guy with a gun that confronted him. Even if someone walks up to you with a gun, you don't have a right to attack them true?
Again, you're missing it. We have no knowledge of him doing ANYTHING associated with these people, this neighborhood or these people's almighty property. You are arguing that he has a record of having done something in the past and therefore had a lot to lose. All God's children with a shotgun pushed in their chest have a lot to lose. This will be remembered forever as another tragic injustice built on a few flimsy suspicions by unauthorized white men and a long national history of valuing my hand tools over your human life. The only hope here is to have this court call it what it is. Though Mrs. Arbrey will cry for years either way.
@@annejordan7079 uhh no obviously you missed it. He's on security footage 3 times. He's seen IN PERSON on the property days before the incident and motions like he has a gun in his waistband and Travis sees this and calls the cops. After both these incidents he's seen running down the street, security footage reveals he was on the property a 5th time that day. After that he's confronted about why he's there, gets aggressive and attacks travis because he didn't like being followed. That's still assault. There is no law that says I cant confront you in my neighborhood and ask what you're going but there is a law about assaulting people which is what Arbery did.
The truth has been told Travis killed a black man for nothing , it's because of the color of his skin . Travis and daddy just wanted to be heroes in the neighborhood
I don't even jog in my neighborhood. I don't walk around the subdivision at night. I'm a business owner, black and paid ALOT of money for my home but I live among whites (all whom are nice so far) but I know it's some lurking who may not like my presence in their upscale area as they'd see it. Not interested in finding out.
@@BubbyBold it's not illegal to point a gun if they are advancing on your position and you feel threatened for your life. Look at rittenhouse, arbery had no business rushing travis and trying to disarm him, that's called assault. There's no law that says I cant confront a civilian or criminal.
@@theycallmenick .You cannot come up to me under pure suspicion and just confront me and force me to talk to you, force me to stop my jog, force me to do anything. It is not your right to deny mine. You do not have the authority. And the presence of a weapon does not give you MORE authority
@@TheLastAshbringer how did they FORCE Arbery to talk to them? He stood still with his gun and DIDNT SHOOT ya moron. Arbery ATTACKED the man with the gun and the guy NEVER SHOT until he was attacked. Why didnt he shoot him in the 30 seconds Abrery was running directly at him if he wanted to murder him?
My Prayers go out to The Mother of Ahmad may the Lord comfort you as this horrible tragedy is played out in court. I admire your Strength.. May Jesus bless u with more strength restore you every day in the Name of Jesus God Bless the AA family... Thank God for each and every Pastor in attendance... Praying for Justice.. God Bless this Judge right now..Amen
Your prayers are not going further than this comment. For you to even recognize those fraud race baiters as pastors show even the jesus you pray to is a fraud. Try reading the Word of God to find the real Jesus to open your eyes.
Amen...God is alive and he will prevail.....there is no one that should deny justice after watching the video regardless of your race....2ndly am always perplexed when a white man want to lie about everything after they displaced bravado after the incident..at one point AA was said to be breathing while the Police and the McMichaels didnt render any aid...when he feel he didnt render aid
@@truthseeker1833 1 John 2:4 whoever says, i know him," but does not what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.. its funny you say they are race baiting. there is a couple of white pastors in there.. its an all white jury except for one black juror. i bet you don't have a problem with that.. people with hate in there heart will not see the kingdom of heaven. You are blaspheming Jesus.. before you say anything. I'm white. and what they did was wrong they did not have to kill him. seems like you need to open your eyes and find the real Jesus.. rather you like it or not they are going to prison. and i also pray for his mother and justice to be served. we who don't see skin color are sick and tired of racist people and you have a racist heart..
The prosecutor showed a part of the video that I had not see before. It showed when the first shot was fired. It happened when Arbery ran from the passenger side of the white truck to the front. Travis had gone around to the front of the truck and shot Arbery as he made that turn. The struggle for the gun happened after that first shot!! It was clear that Travis murdered Arbery without provocation of any kind. Arbery fought for the gun in self defense after he had been shot the first time. Travis shot him two more times before Arbery stumbled and fell to the ground.
No way, I watched it again in real time and the shot is not fired until Arbury is at the front of the truck attempting to grab the gun, Easy to see the timing.
Just to clarify, the gun was fired three times with Mr. Ahmad being struck twice. Once in the chest, and another under the arm. It doesn't change the horrible facts of Ahmad's murder.
I believe that Travis and Greg are both guilty of 1st degree murder and Roddie I think is guilty if manslaughter… but in the video Travis shot Arbery when he was in front of the truck and going straight for Travis…. It doesn’t lessen Travis’ guilt at all. For some reason I don’t think Roddie is as guilty of murder as Travis and Greg abd it’s probably because one could argue that Roddie didn’t know they had guns or could not presume Travis would shoot Arbery? I just feel the State over charged Roddie for some reason and I don’t think the jury will find him guilty of 1st degree
We need to have someone testify as to Arbery's state of mind when he ran away. It's easy to see why he was running, he was scared shitless. What he was scared of is not relevant, the fact is he did not want this confrontation ad was forced into it.
This killing was like a Southern lynching you read about in history books. I’m so glad this is a case and Arberys life lost is considered as important.
It is. It's getting better though. Less lynching's but the evil is not over. We need more white person's of Christian faith to stand up to it. Plenty Black person's of Christianity already have.
They reference everything negative about Ahmad but will not touch on none of the Brutal Negative Racial comments made before and after he was murdered by Travis. His father said SOME HEARTBREAKING RACIAL COMMENTS...All them said something terrible. It's all on the video... Please Lord don't let them get away with this it will be so very SAD
hummmm...........I wonder how many young black males, in that town, have been stopped and questioned about their intent? I bet most black males are questioned about their intent on a semi regular basis. Ahmed would be just one of many instances of running while black.
The first time it happens, it doesn't really bother you and you kind of like, "ugh what's going on?" Afterwards, you just think, something must have happened and brush it off. But after repeated times and from different people or police, throughout your life, you get annoyed.
@@michelejohnson1001 that is true. They see you they lock on. But it's most important to not react. I try to just ignore when I'm being watched... but I do stay vigilant... just in case.
@@TisEYEthe1 ahmauds DEAD. Thank god the murderers are in prison, their about to live as a minority for a very ,very long time. Unless one opens his racist mouth and catches some steel.
I have never understood how defence tried to argue his probation was a reason that explains Ahmaud running towards Travis rather than running because he didn't want to go back to jail. It doesn't make sense too attack a man pointing a shotgun at you while his armed accomplice watches so that police won't arrest you, rather than run away?? They keep neglecting he had ran 2.5 miles to get to that area from home, then been chased for 4 nearly 5 minutes around the neighbourhood and then defence says why didn't he just run the other way and go home?? Fight and flight will be anyone's response to this situation whether they have had mental issues or not. All they want to be able to do is paint Ahmaud as a black crazy man who terrified two armed men when they politely ask him to come over and talk to them. It's ridiculous. They want the prior arrests brought in so they can say yes he never stole anything but he had a criminal record so he must have been going to steal something eventually and must have done the other crimes in the White neighbourhood. They had no knowledge of him before that time and judge did not allow people who saw him jogging regularly at night in neighbourhoods around Satilla Shores as that was not relevant to the case.
It's so odd to me what some people think they have a right to do. Especially police. That guy was a former investigator too. I'm sure he coached his son and told him it was OK to do what they were doing.
This poor judge. Every time he thinks he’s finally going to move to the next issue, this weasel lawyer keeps popping up and saying “your honor id just like to address a couple of things” like 5 times 😂
Bringing his prior running away/combative behavior with policemen is a slippery slope the court should not go down. There is no way to know why he ran or was combative. Perhaps the cops routinely harassed him? Perhaps he's an asshole? There is no, on the face of it, to know! Thus it should be come into this case. That's my thought on this anyway.
The policeman wrote a report - no guess work needed. This evidence would have explained what state of mind Arbery was in. The jogging false narrative is the same pathetic idea as the 'hands up dont shoot' narrative. The video clearly shows Arbery was the combative pushing punching actor. Travis only shot because he was losing that battle.
@@parrisprice5892 oh thats right - this alleged murder of Ahmad was planned for years. 10 police reports were all faked. Ahmad was wrongly convicted of the 2 felonies and that why he ran from the scene of the alleged burglary and violently attacked the homeowner/neighbor.
Why oh why could they just not have negated their emotions and let the police handle things? Then they would not be on trial, Ahmauds mother would be home baking cookies, and poor Ahmaud would still be alive. God bless you my Great young Brother. May you forever dwell in the field of peace and blessings.
Great young brother? I mean he was a burglar and thief and has a long criminal history, obviously his proclivity to "looking through private property" has gotten him killed so... play stupid games win stupid prizes.
@@theycallmenick TM was inebriated on moonshine, his judgement was severely impaired. Word is, he traded his gun For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge down at the local truck stop, after a night of reveling on New Years Eve.
Some of you are really ridiculous in your thinking. Record or not, he did nothing wrong that day. He did nothing that warrants being killed. Many of you have grown children that have records and have done plenty wrong. Line them up outside and give them the McMichael treatment since one's faulty past equals a death sentence. Even people with a non-existent record have bad things happen to them. Its not fair to say that oh its Karma. Just keep that same energy when something awful happens to you. Don't @me. I don't care what your disagreement is. I don't check replies. ✌
I am more concerned with the mental health of individuals whose initial response to a man running on a public street was to grab firearms and chase him down, but from their neighbors' testimonies, it sounds like the typical affluent conservative suburban culture where guns are good, and armed men with prejudice are, in their minds, just extensions of the local police.
I don't understand how you can completely change your statement to police. Are we supposed to completely forget it and just take his word that now what he says is what really happened. Someone explain this to me.
Describe in writing what you see in front of a store next time you go--save the written paper.. Then a week later do it again. And the next week--do it again. Did you say exactly the same thing each week?
So if someone has a criminal record a random person can shoot them? Odd I thought that's why we had a court system. Side note it was already proven he didn't commit a crime at the time so why does it matter he had previously committed a crime and was on probation? He ran this way then he ran that way. He ran towards this person then ran towards that person but on the phone the man said "we have him cornered like a rat" exactly what did they expect him to do?
@@blmtrejureydepourtment5899 Good sumartians do not grab guns and chase unarmed people that are keeping to themselves. The McMicheals never nmentioned anything about a Citizen's Arrest to Ahmaud Arbery or any of the Glynn County Shertiff Deputies at the scene of the murder on February 23 2020. The 3 Convicted Racist Murderers plead GUILTY in the Federal Hate Crime Trial and admitted to chasing then murdering Ahmaud Arbery for being a Black Man in a mostly Caucasian neighborhood. You can visit your Klu Klux Klan Buddies in prison.
the victim was unarmed, innocent, chased by 3 armed men in vehicles while on foot, and shot dead/murdered ... period ... everything else is irrelevant ... and none of his killers holds any medical degrees, or law enforcement positions within the jurisdiction that Ahmaud was murdered in
Facts remain: Mr. Arbery was a convicted felon who was doing his time on probation. If caught even for a minor charge/offense. Arbery was likely going to prison if he complied. This was obviously the reason Arbery ran and eventually attacked the man holding a shotgun - not vigilante murderous racism as you want to believe.
@@davea556 I think all three of them, Larry, Curly, and Moe, are going to prison, for the rest of their lives ! Trial is over ! We will see soon enough !
@@petermohr5163 No response to the facts that are withheld from the jury? Mr. Arbery was a convicted felon who was doing his time on probation. If caught even for a minor charge/offense, Arbery was likely going to prison if he complied. This was obviously the reason Arbery ran and eventually attacked the man holding a shotgun. Why would anyone risk fighting, pushing and punching the man holding a shot gun? See logical reasonable answer above.
@@davea556 The day he was murdered, the only crime he had committed was jogging ! We are talking about the events that occured on one day ! The rest off it is inmaterial to the case ! That is why the judge would not allow it !
@@petermohr5163 Not true - Ahmad was on video recording and eye witnessed not jogging that day and not jogging on numerous occasions trespassing in the neighborhood. As you must be aware.
This judge seems irritated with the defensive attorneys. Ahmaud is not on trial, your clients are, Stop making it about a person who is not there to defend themselves.
Well his actions technically sparked the chase… but the chase was illegal and in theory subsequent attempts to stop Aubrey were illegal… since after the initial chase Aubrey continued to run away, as citizens they should’ve retreated… hence ultimately they will be found guilty of reckless homicide… they’re just going through the motions right now… the law is pretty clear on this… this is the reason why rittenhouse will be found not guilty while mcmichaels will go to prison.
If a person is on trial for something they cant start listing every concievable thing about past crimes as if to convince the jury "he deserved it because of other stuff he had done"
1. He isn't on trial, the defendants are. 2. When his prior mental health and criminal record give insight into WHY he acted the way he did and WHY he was doing the things he was doing and going into random homes in random neighborhoods. But it's okay, keep ignoring facts of the trial. Make sure you keep listening to and following the feelings of the black community. The same community that wanted to see Kyle Rittenhouse go to prison for life and still label him a racist and his case literally was self defense that involved all white men. But CNN and MSNBC told them to hate Kyle and call him racist, so guess what? Lol If CNN and MSNBC flipped the script right now and starting lying for conservatives and not liberals and started reporting the mcmichaels were innocent, 90% of the black community would find a reason to support them. Do you not understand?
@@d-con6825 You are throwing things together that have no relationship in fact or law. Every jurisdiction bars prior bad acts/ character evidence. This is a cut and dried ruling on this issue.
@@d-con6825 Ignoring the facts: - The fact that the argument here is self defense. If self defense is being argued here, it would hold if The McMichaels hadn’t incited the actions of Ahmad Aurbery. Chasing someone down for a crime you *suspect* someone might’ve committed is already illegal. Stack upon that the fact that they attempted to apprehend Aurbery- and you’ve essentially obliterated a self defense argument. - The US does not support vigilantly justice Again, even if Aurbery had committed a crime, it is not on the McMichaels to apprehend, or even punish him for a crime. They managed to do both, and for a crime he didn’t commit. - Ahmad Aurbery did not commit a crime. The crime that the defense is attempting to characterize is one in which Aurbery has stolen from a construction site. There has been no evidence of this crime occurring. Video of evidence submitted to the court shows no wrong-doing. - Aurbery’s previous mental health issues would not change the actions of the McMichael’s. Let’s pretend Aurbery did indeed have mental health issues that inhibited his ability to properly respond to situations (I say pretend because as of now they have not been submitted to the court for evidence). The McMichael’s actions still would not be justified, as they were the inciters of violence. And in that case, even if Aurbery acted back violently, his actions are still justified. - Last fact: your inability to argue your stance or the actions of the McMichaels is evident in your sudden switch to personal attacks, and use of trivial, irrelevant opinions. Had you stuck your course, and argued the “facts” of the case maybe you’d stand a chance. But obviously, your feelings get in the way. Also, the Judge in the Rottenhouse trial also denied evidence of comments he had made 15 days prior relating to the actions he took on the night in Kenosha. It is precedent, as the other comment has stated. But keep crying why don’t you.
the defence is weak, they're trying to say he runs from uniform cops there for him running away from 3 guys in a pickup truck with a gun makes no sense, thats dumb and also even if they WERE cops in uniform, executing people is illegal still
The matter of Arbery's mental health and probation record are irrelevant to whether the clients had a right to stop Arbery in the first place. And it is their right to stop him that is at issue. Presenting to a jury that Arbery may have other reasons of being there or other reasons of taking choices he had just muddies the water in determining whether they had a right to stop him because there is NO mental state or probation record that would affect whether that right exists.
You do realize citizen's arrest is a state law citizens can do that. Also we need to know what his record is because there been reports of several cars and houses being broken into that matches his description caught on video. One of the residents of the neighborhood testify to that fact. So I don't know let's see what his criminal record is. You know establishing a pattern that puts into serious question why he was scrambling around a house that he had no business being at. I mean you do know what logic is don't you? Because that poor guy sure as hell didn't know what hey stop don't move the cops are on the way and then reaching for a guys gun and the consequences of those action.
@@Faroundandfoundout did you read the part in Georgia where your only allowed to make a citizens arrest if you see a felony happen with your own eyes which none of them did so citizens arrest is out the window
@@Faroundandfoundout the fifth amendment protects arbery from having to stop and he didnt know who they were he has no reason to have to identify himself he had no stolen property on him or anything all the mcmicheals reasons for why they acted have been proven as false in court theres nothing you said that has held value in the court that's why the defense has asked for a mistrial every day they know their clients are screwed
Even if he did have mental health problems, it doesn’t matter. Why would Travis chase and antagonize someone who was “acting funny?” These defense lawyers are grasping at straws.
Where is the Mental Health file on Gough, her and her Spouse. The entire Defense Team have shown Mental Health challenges during this trial. They certainly have driven US CRAZY
It’s funny how all of a sudden Travis is using the “I was trying to defend myself scenario”, but the one thing he forgot was that it was his father and himself who got their shotguns and went right after him in their trunk for no other reason than to ambush him and kill Ahmaud Arbery, a young black man. They did not do this when other young kids had gone into that house, but they decided to take matters into their own hands even after they called the police and were told that if Ahmaud did not break into the house to steal anything, again there was no need to send the police out to investigate or make a possible arrest. And according to the video, Ahmaud had been there several times, looked around as the owners house was being remodeled, but on that day, he then left and continued his jog. Did Ahmaud break the law? UH NO!!! These two knuckle heads without forethought decided to take matters into their own hands and because the police told them if Ahmaud didn’t steal anything or commit a crime, there was no reason for a police unit be sent out. They are guilty period!!! They went after him with intent to kill Ahmaud Aubrey based on the evidence shown on video and it’s fortunate the their third party perpetrator filmed it all implementing all three of them in all this. The End!!!!
The whole truth nothig but.... Mr. Arbery was a convicted felon who was doing his time on probation. If caught even for a minor charge/offense, Arbery was likely going to prison if he complied. This was obviously the reason Arbery ran and eventually attacked the man holding a shotgun - not vigilante murderous racism as you want to believe.
@@davea556 But, if the defendant was not employed at the time as a cop and did not have anything indicating that he was a cop, then Arbery had no duty to the defendant. That is why they were claiming citizen’s arrest (again the defendant had no authority to detain), but if Arbery was turning to leave, then the ‘threat’ to the defendant was no longer present. The defendant took upon himself to continue to pursue Arbery, even though he did not have any authority to do so. Remember, the defendant did not have a badge, uniform, or patrol car to ‘detain’ Arbery. As the original commentator stated that the police was called and they did not investigate because Arbery did not break into an house under construction that did not have trespassing signs. That part of the defendant testimony cannot be overlooked.
@@davea556, Of course he was! This happened when Ahmaud was in HIGH SCHOOL, he received five years of probation (no jail time) for a first-time weapons charge and in 2018, he was convicted of probation violation for shoplifting (again, no jail time) this was according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution newspaper. It was mentioned that, in 2017, a Glynn County officer attempted to tase him after he denied their request to search his car at a park. Soooo, with all this said, this has absolutely nothing to do with what occurred the day he went for a jog. Also, the Police bodycam footage showed the encounter with officers, who said he was in a car in an area known for drug use. Ahmaud said he was on his day off from work. The taser malfunctioned and he was allowed to leave on foot. So, that’s neither here nor there . He wasn’t committing a crime before he was murdered he went on a jog, was a regular visitor of a house under construction to which the owner of the house had no problem with it, however he did have a problem with a bunch of white kids entering his house and some things were stolen.
I understand what there saying makes perfect sense in the movie the Chainsaw massacre if the teens simply just spoke to Leatherface instead of running or getting confrontational than they’d all be alive
No matter what the defense attorney says it's irrelevant to the case. First of all the doctors or physicists should have taken the stand. She is avoiding HIPAA laws
If they need to see Ahmaud’s records to try and show his state of mind, then we should see the McMichaels also?
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Agreed 100%
Exactly!!!!
Sure but the prosecution and judge in their pocket don’t want that
Exactly. He should explain his recorded comments when he was in the coastguard and right after he shot him. Also the father being pictured at a KKK rally in 2016.
I wonder is it Ahmaud Arbery on trial here because he's dead?
Exactly
Victim blaming for vigilantes chasing down a man and shooting him like a dog! No remorse at all. They should get LIFE!
Fact: Mr. Arbery was a convicted felon who was doing his time on probation. If caught even for a minor charge/offense. Arbery was likely going to prison if he complied. This was obviously the reason Arbery ran and eventually attacked the man holding a shotgun - not vigilante murderous racism as you want to believe.
What crime did Ahmaud Arbery commit on 23 February 2020? Trespassing? I've gone in construction sites of houses, just to see the progress, get an Idea for when I can build my own house. Several people went into that structure, White and Black, not that the race should not matter. No one is Innocent, let the Justice fit the crime. Or should we hope that you get the same 'Justice' that he got. Cause eventually, you will cross the line, we all do to some level.
@@puggmonkey Repeated trespassing. The neighbors/police all wanted to understand. Approaching and asking questions is normal behaviour. Physically attacking man with shotgun or without a shotgun is a crime.
@@davea556 Sorry dude, If someone with a shotgun is chasing me, I will run, If I can't run, I will fight. That's part of the flaw of your logic. Having a gun doesn't give authority. I bet your logic changes if you had been a white man in a 'Getto'. Personally, ifI was one of the defendants, I would have a Camera, take pictures and take them from distance. and give them to the police, or at least keep a safe distance and let the Police confront him. Instead, they took the authority on their own hands. That's called vigilantism... Look it up.
@@puggmonkey Flaw - Arbery was running way before they got in truck to follow. right? Also, Arbery wasn't running from the gun - he ran into it.
Watch the video - its clear Arbery ran toward the gun.
I'm confused, who exactly is on trial here? I could have sworn it was the three racist good ole boys with confederate flag license plates on their pickups who chased down and killed a black man with nothing more than suspicion, but it sounds like the black man who was hunted and killed is the one actually on trial.
I totally agree with you. Sadly, this is 'justice' in America. If the victim is Black (even if s/he has been murdered by the defendants), s/he is always put on trial as part of the shenanigans. Same thing happened with George Floyd. This is nothing new.
Apparently, the Constitution /rules/legal guidelines are only applicable to certain people. This is why the system is problematic. The way Rules/laws are enforced changes based on the demographic of the accused. Wide latitude and leeway are given for 'people' like the McMichaels and Bryans of the country. Evidence is managed to incriminate OR absolve based on the whim and political persuasion of a judge, We have seen case after case that has been handled with wide swings in how justice is managed.
And notice how they refused to allow into evidence the "F'n N*****' comment that Travis McMichael hurled over Arbery's dead body right after he murdered him .
Lol. Clown court trying to pass as real justice isn't helpful to all.
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AND Let's not even get into what happens at crime scenes! These 3 murderers were treated like law enforcement colleagues rather than suspects. The whole incident was swept under the rug until the Bryan video was leaked and showed how the whole thing went down! ! IT makes one wonder how many other times over the centuries crimes have been literally buried to protect horrible people.
@@pkp6791 amazing opinion
Same people saying his record
Shouldn't matter would say differently if it was a white supremacist with a past racist history lmfao.
If the defense wants this to be allowed then the prosecution gets to show Gregory McMichael got fired as a cop.
The state would bring that up if they felt like they needed it to win. This is an extremely easy case. Both sides will use anything to win, the judge plays as referee to ensure everything is fair.
He wasn't fired. He had two heart attacks and missed the mandatory training you need to carry a gun and a badge. Hardly a smear on his character, but it does show that he needed to lay off the red meat.
@@neoepicurean3772 Im glad he miss the training we got enuff white racist cop in the American one less the black man have to worry about but than again he still managed to find a way to kill black man I guess for running in the neighborhood
@@neoepicurean3772 Actually, there are also racist text messages, as well, between the 3 suspects..
Or all his racist Facebook postings, the fact that he looked down on dying Ahmad and said a racial slur all that needs to be included
That is BS. They tired him out trapped like a rat. No admit of that evidence. I hope the judge refuses
If he’s a felon it does matter, that shows His intent in that neighborhood and go into the house. Why would a homeowner home put cameras in that structure.
No it doesn't actually. He lived around there. Give me a break dude. He was jogging and he was very interested in architecture. Many are interested and check out a new build and watch the progress etc. But he is black so he must have been doing something wrong? That poor man is not the one on trial. They are. This judge has been amazing. Patient and measured etc. He is not letting them pull BS. Too many people let their bias, conscious or unconscious, cloud their decisions. Because they have gotten away with it for so long in this country and are so jaded by their own racism that they don't even think they are doing or saying anything wrong!! It's crazy!! It must be the black guys fault, he must have been doing something wrong, he is black so he had to be doing something nefarious. Check your racism people. This country is patheticly and unapologetically racist. They refuse to look in the mirror and admit they might be wrong. Narcissism, Dunning Kruger, cognitive dissonance. Thank god for this judge being a true fair judge. Unlike the sham of a trial for the loser that murdered protesters for no reason. Just because he wanted to kill people. The judge was an absolute joke. Bias and racist as all hell. They made that clear to the world. They layed their own character bare.
@@jor5204 Lol. Even the homeowner, Larry English, testified that Ahmaud never stole a thing. Come again?!?! You have the same mindset as the convicted felons. Keep making assumptions and you’ll end up where they’re at.
@@Cannabidragon all of this!!!! Well, spoken and fair!!!!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
@Richard you used your flawed judgment just to prove my point. They had no right to corner anybody who wasn’t in the commission of a crime or perceived past crimes! They trapped Arbery and as you said he had no choice but to defend himself. He’s went all the way around that truck trying to dodge Travis and Travis decided to confront him at the front of his truck. He could’ve kept a safe distance behind his truck but he decided that he was going to engage with Arbery! There’s no justification for chasing someone with loaded guns threatening to blow their head off and proceeded to try to do just that. The intent was to kill and that’s that! 3 life sentences indicates that the jury agrees! So, take your entitlement and racism elsewhere. 🤡💩
Nobody is obligated to speak to uniformed police either. We have the right to remain silent in ANY situation.
I don't think that is technically true. Otherwise, how do subpoenas work? Serious question.
@@cameronno6039 he means during the initial arrest and when on trial pleading the 5th
Exactly! The police must have reasonable articulatable suspicion in order to detain and question you. You still have the right to remain silent.
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@@qr6422 i understood what he likely meant. Pleading the 5th also has limitations. Although I'm not a lawyer, my point is "never" and "always" are rarely true statements.
@@cameronno6039 It is true, you are never required to talk to police during investigation. Subpoenas are only used in court.
Demonizing the victim Classic WS 101
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@@dn544 I can't wait to revitalize my wartime PTSD on foul useless Cwackers....
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Who was the victim...of the burglaries?
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@@RoseInTheWeeds in my opinion, both sides got what they wanted. One side, got a dead criminal. The other side, got 3 convicted criminals. Good day for all in my book.
I don't care if he was dragging a tv down the road, normal human beings dont all get their guns and chase down a petty criminal to shoot and kill them.
And Ahmaud i would like to point out had NOTHING on him so he clearly had not stolen anything!
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@Slider2700 is a weirdo, no getting past it
@Slider2700 then why did they bring their guns?
Exactly!
@LetzBfriendZ he got shot for charging a man with a gun and trying to take it from him. what do you guys not understand about that? ffs
Ah yes, putting the victim on trial rather than the defendant.
Makes sense as the story is he was just jogging and they thought of him as suspicious. However, the defense says, no he was being suspicious at night in the neighborhood multiple times, police were called and we were reasonable to assume he was up to no good.
The issue with these trials, is that the public takes a simple manslaughter or murder case, and lies about the victim to make it something that it wasn't. It wastes time. From his actions, it's reasonable people would be suspicious. What's not reasonable is how they went about it.
@@jameeyg87 a lot of white people are suspicious to me in my neighborhood YET I don’t go bothering them If they aren’t bothering me
@@glitterandspice6636 You are suspicious to me. Obviously you are racist and don't like white people...
It's obvious that you're a racist if you're suspicious of people because of their skin color. 🙄 sad...
Just like they did with the Kenosha killer
@@d-con6825 utter bullshit. Stop race baiting
The defense: " did we mention your honor Mr. Arbey was black"
Boo hoo racism blah blah. It's 2021 find a different excuse please
@@AMan-iv2rb 2021 is no different than any other year when it comes to racism. It has existed since the colonization of what is now the US. And will likely always exist as long as multiple ethnicities exist in one location.
@@barbaraakpakpa3592 This case is hardly racism... Arbery ran and attacked Travis because he was afraid of violating his probation due to Arbery's 2 felony convictions. Niether is the Kyle Rittenhouse self-defense case about racism. Nor was Travon Martin case, Nor Mike Brown 'hands up" fantasy.
@@davea556 this case is ALL about racism and prejudice, if Ahmad was a white woman or even man he’d be alive today
@@Truthfully3214 your right because if he was white he would of stopped and explained or apologized.. Same exact thing happened to me and if I acted like him I would of been full of lead too
If you just walk up to a random person they don't have to talk to you....
The lawyers keep arguing that Aubrey "had" to talk to them. Idiots.
Exactly! I don't want to talk when I'm shopping and some random person askes me a question. Sometimes I find it very annoying, and then sometimes I don't.
Especially if the person comes out of his house with a shotgun
Yup and clearly no black person has every “disobeyed” them before and they didn’t know what to do and shot him
@@carliedaniel7667 no clearly they saw someone running from a neighbours house they knew not to be there. When he attacked them they shot him
He's not here to defend his record.
This shouldn't even be an issue.
Yes, when all fails blame the victim.
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@Richard what the fuck are you talking about?
@Richard go complain to your local politician.
Stop whining to a black woman.
@@please.665 lmao weird ass internet people I swear 😂😂😂😭😭😭
@@lightninggaming016 agreed.
The defendants were unaware of any of that information regarding the deceased prior to posing their actions. Therefor, it is all irrevelant to the defence and demonstrates nothing aside from their desire to villainize the victim. Disgusting.
It’s improper character evidence for sure.
Excactly!
It is disgusting that you try to portray the thug as saint.
@@kkarx -It’s disgusting that you’re too ignorant to comprehend, the difference between portraying someone as a saint, and what’s fair and just in terms of a trial. No one is making the assertion that he was a saint. The prosecution and defense mutually agreed, to disallow evidence regarding the past of both the accused and the victim, in this case.
When they are loosing they always look at someones background to justify killing someone. 🙄 Those three came out with guns jumped in a truck in normal clothes for what!. The man is not a cop! He should have sat his old butt down and called the cops. They should look at their FB , social media page and mental health issues. Its clear they dont have it all
Please explain how his record has anything to do with what happened to him. Being on probation has nothing to do with being chased down and killed. This defense has no good argument they are pulling for straws
Just because you lost taking a man's gun away doesn't give you angle status.
@@truthseeker1833 That's such a trash racist statement its sick cause anyone with eyeballs can see this was clear murder
Cause he a common thief and a rogue. Wtf you mean?
@@reggiew8884 Anyone that isn't racist can clearly see it was self defense, you only see murder because you think people or a certain group are out to get black people
@@pokemaster077 -If it was self defense in this case, then Rittenhouse should have been convicted, right?
When all else fails, put the victim on trial. This is nauseating.
He was a THUG. Good riddance
@@professionaltrollgirl2682 thanks for that nugget of wisdom, troll
He wasn't a victim
@Tony From Syracuse There are many productive, accomplished individuals who have had minor brushes with the law. It is irrelevant to Ahmaud being murdered!!
@@Prisoner_X You're right. He was a MURDER VICTIM Killed by 3 racist pigs.
So. Now, You trying to say they killed a mentally challenged person???!!! Boy, defense reaching!!
That makes it even worse
@Slider2700 two old men that continually harassed someone they had zero evidence had actually done anything
@@danesullivan5151 Saw him walking out of house under construction?
@@pokemaster077 I've checked out new construction I didn't know I deserved death
he may have been acting a little erratic, after all he was being chased by three whites guys with trucks and guns
Amen to that.
No matter how hard defense tries to ramrod the court, the judge remains cool as a cucumber 🇺🇸
Yes because it's obvious the judge has already made up his mind
@Confidential confidant he's definitely not going to tolerate the defense doing their job. Clearly the judge is under the thumb of the social media opinion and that was largely precipitated from agenda-driven troll farms in Russia
Not terribly ironic that Putin decided to take over the world not long after the Russians proved their ability to manipulate our politics, they have us running around worried about "waysism" while they drove tanks across the border
@@blmtrejureydepourtment5899this was not a bench trial. It’s the jury that matters and the defense was not very convincing.
@@michaelthompson7419 the judge rigged it by not interpreting the law... the McMichaels had every right to pursue the wanted criminal and defend themselves when he ran up and tried to grab their firearms.
You can't close the distance on somebody to attack them then claim self-defense😅
I've watched a lot of court cases. This judge is by far the best I've seen.
Agree 💯💯💯❣️🙏
ZERO of the 3 men have a record of chasing black men or joggers in any neighborhood in the country
Ahmaud has a history at only age 23, of pretending to jog to prowl, use it as an excuse when caught red handed, and attack anyone who confront him, when caught on video, in that exact neighborhood
Aug 21,2018 burke county witness report and body camera shows
ahmaud was caught by stay at home mom looking into her car windows in her back yard
police came to give ahmaud a trespass warning, but when confronted he sais./ "i had gone running"
became aggressive, confrontational and repeatedly threatened to whoop the officers ass
this is on body camera footage of an Modus Operandi, prtend to be jogging while prowling, get mad and attack whoever catches you
oct 23, 2018 ahmaud was caught prowling abandon property, he ran and got caught but claimed he was "jogging"
both times ahmaud was seen taking screens off windows and trying to make entry, another trying to get into a door. both times he took off "jogging"
ahmaud was known as the jogger by locals because he would would stretch like a jogger, enter several convenince stores, steal and jogging away before he could be caught
1 time a witness cell phone video showed ahmaud getting confronted and attacking a truck stop employee for daring to speak of his theft, he was just "jogging" thru the store and didnt have time to pay
oct 25th early AM, ahmaud was seen on a video camera prowling and entering 220 satilla drive
NOV 18th early AM, ahmaud was seen on a video camera prowling and entering 220 satilla drive
FEB 11th early AM, ahmaud was seen on a video camera prowling and entering 220 satilla drive
the video cannot confirm if anything was stolen, and neither can the owner who did not provide tools to contractors
it only confirms intent to steal, which is all that's needed for burglary, when you enter a structure or vehicle late at night
@@ihatecrackhead doesn't change the fact that they stalked, stopped, and shot an unarmed black man in a predominantly white neighborhood. Explain that.
@@ItsMotoMatt "stalked, stopped, and shot"
nothing wrong with that
they yelled "stop or ill blow you head off", hit him with a car and pointed the gun at him.
that's illegal, not following him cause you think he did something
Yes he's very calm because he's already made up his mind
They had no business chasing him. They intended to do him harm. Ended up killing him. If they minded their own lives he would be alive today. Plain and simple.
Absolutely ! That man is no longer a officer,he had in agenda to go get his son and kill this man !!!!! This whole community is a bunch of racist.
In fairness they confronted him and Arbery attacked them, no law prohibits confronting someone, the law does prohibit assaulting someone, ya know?
Opinion
No law prohibits confronting people in your neighborhood so actually Arbery had no business assaulting a neighbor asking what he's doing.
@@theycallmenick -The simplicity of your argument, is intentionally deceptive. Nothing you’ve stated rises to the circumstances in this case. The neighbors didn’t innocently come out of their home, asking what he was doing. No one has a duty to stay, and be questioned by a random person. In fact, if someone is parked in front of my home, on the street, I can’t just walk up to their car and ask them to move. It’s a public street.
Ahmad had every right to defend himself. He was not the one with the gun. I would've done the same thing
He didn't need to defend himself as he was never attacked by the gunman. He had other directions he could have walked or ran too.
That's why you'll probably end up dead like Ahmad someday, unless you're a keyboard warrior talking shit you'd never do
@@edwardjones717 if getting chased by a gunman in the car is not attacking then I don know what is. Y’all need to stop defending these murderer when they admitted that they could of stopped the car and called the police.
@@jojosrakorzian2739 have you’ve heard of flight fight response?
@@edwardjones717 he tried to run away, did you even watch the cross examination? Best stay quiet and allow others to assume you’re ignorant, rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
why aren't you referring to this as the 3 white racist trial? Ahmaud is not on trial
Apparently he is.
THE THREE MURDERER'S SHOULD OF STAYED HOME AND CALLED THE POLICE!!!!!
Yes - then Mr. Arbery the convicted felon who was on probation would have been sentenced to prison. Most likely was the reason Arbery attacked a man holding a shotgun.
They wanted to display their hickish authority to the hood!
But, then people are screaming "defund the police!" 🤦🏼 I think they are guilty of murder, but leftists also wanna defund cops ... What a clusterfuck...
@@davea556 why would he? They couldn't prove he was doing ANYTHING other than jogging...
@@80bbygrl defund the police doesn’t mean abolish the police. Tell me you’re stupid without telling me
She is afraid she will not be liked in the neighborhood anymore.
Also, I would add she had nothing to offer to the defense, but her and her mom both wanted their few moments in the spotlight. I wonder if the mother and daughter were aware of the McMichael's racists fb posts? I especially loved it when the prosecutor got his crack at cross examining the daughter, it was then that she regretted ever walking into that courtroom. Just goes to show how TV court show dramas actually make people think they could out smart real life trained lawyers.
Afraid of neighbors...she should be afraid of being locked up for lying in court, under oath! Her and Di A Go should move houses
Being on probation does not matter! Irrelevant!!!
All I know as of a few days ago is that these defense attorneys will go down in history as the clowns that they are. These 3 mens have been sentenced and justice has been rightfully served.
Clearly this thug got what he asked for and your an idiot that just simply doesn’t know any better. We dnt expect y’all to either..
Do you actually think it's even vaguely legitimate that this boy's career criminal status was hidden from the jury? This was the most biased media coverage in American history... in a healthy Society this would be grounds for a mistrial
How horrible it must be for Mr Arbery's Mother. Prayers to you Ma'am
The prosecution should be able to show the truck tag
Sure , her son was a convicted thief . You dont go into a house at night unless you intend to steal . She must of been proud .
I mean i doubt she gives a shit, she clearly failed at raising him, he steals and burglarizes many private properties, you do it enough and this will happen. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. One less criminal in the world...
Actually 3 less criminals in the world. The McMichaels and Roddy Bryan. I bet here on out while sitting in their cells, Ahmad’s last moments will forever play in their heads.
If his mother was doing her job and raised him correctly, he wouldn’t have been out trying to rob people! Great job mom! Congratulations
lol so they want to open the door to talk about ahmauds past and character but they wont do that for travis or greg. incredible lmfao didnt realize ahmaud was the one on trial here
Of course he is on trial - he cant defend himself because he was killed in cold blood, so he is the target for the defence.
Yea let’s talk about those racist Facebook comments, and Roddy’s sex offender charges… if we going in folks medical history…
#TwoJusticeSystems
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EXACTLY!!
This is so sad to put the victim on trial he was the one hunted down like an animal
They are trying to figure out what would make him attack a man with a loaded gun. Most people respect people with a gun and comply with the gunman's orders. They say he had some type of mental schizophrenia disorder that causes him to be violent but that information can't be used in court.
@@edwardjones717 I dunno, what made rittenhouse shoot his attackers. What makes a cashier grab at a the robbers gun. What makes a women want to fight against her rapist. Who knows 🤷♂️ but I can take a wild guess, fear of dying or getting hurt. This isn’t rocket science.
@@edwardjones717 it’s unfortunate the mental state can’t be used. It would be extremely hard to know if someone fighting you had a mental problem and you had to decide a moment’s notice when they grabbed your firearm if you were able to defend yourself against a person who had a normal mental capacity or was determined to be mentally handicapped.
@Mary Poppins Okay if you really believe that BS you just sent to me then I have a question for you. What do you think that a billionaire like JEFF BEZOS would have done? Continue to run in 3 other directions that Ahmaud clearly could have done or take a chance in losing his life attacking a man with a loaded shotgun?
@Mary Poppins You are definitely the fool as the video clearly shows that Ahmaud wasn't caged in at all. In fact he ran down the street as he was being followed by the guy who had the video camera and the McMichael's was already way ahead of Ahmaud parked at the corner of the street. Ahmaud continued running towards them and had a choice to either run straight ahead or make a right turn and run into a yard that had a street in front of it. He decided to make the left turn to attack the younger McMichael who had a loaded shotgun.
He was right to exclude the mental health stuff because it has nothing to do with the even at hand- he was chased down and shot by some racists.
I mean in all fairness he was confronted by people who live in the neighborhood and then Arbery attacked them and luckily they had a gun to protect themselves.
Evidence they're racists? Don't just vomit the BS you hear in the media. Think for yourself.
This whole trial is giving all a bit of mental issues
@@theycallmenick Wrong... know the facts
@@ninobrown3394 which part is false? The weren't confronting him or Arbery didn't engage and attack Travis?
I would have fought for my life too if i was " cornered like a rat ".
Well that's the problem they didn't have him cornered like a rat although the guy doing the videoing said that they did. The other two guys have law enforcement experience and knew not to restrict his forward running path. So they didn't and gave him his space to run or walk forward.
Mr. Arbery was a convicted felon who was doing his time on probation. If caught even for a minor charge/offense, Arbery was likely going to prison if he complied. This was obviously the reason Arbery ran and eventually attacked the man holding a shotgun.
Why would anyone risk fighting, pushing and punching the man holding a shot gun? See logical reasonable answer above.
@@davea556 Based on what you said then why would a 100 preachers support a person of this character and they supposed be men of god?
@@edwardjones717 No idea... based on what I said. Why did Arbery attack and not simply speak?
@@edwardjones717 Based on the video - who initially physically attacked who?
Intent to do what,he never did anything wrong,it's a free country he don't have to talk to no one.....
When you enter a dwelling that you don't live at, break ins in the area, I think you need to get spoken too
@@pokemaster077 Was not a closed community and not private property.
@@doola99 then who was staying on and off in the travel trailer?
@@roseforvendettalu1343 Larry English did. But, he wasn't there the day that Ahmaud was murdered..
@@pokemaster077 Do you mean like Greg McMichael, when he screamed at Ahmaud, " I'm gonna blow you head off n*****!"? Then Ahmaud gets shot. That's reasonable behavior, to YOU?
Oh my friggin’ god. Ahmaud’s past had ZERO impact on these men’s actions. They knew two things about this guy they killed: He was running and he “wasn’t” supposed to be there. This kinda stuff makes me sick. I know defense lawyers need to serve their clients but I seriously wonder if there is any ethical line they won’t cross.
Killed for running while black
Fact to consider Arbery was certified nut case...
a. Evidence of Ahmaud Arbery’s deteriorating mental health as
witnessed by family members, neighbors, and his probation officer,
leading to the probation officer’s directive that Ahmaud Arbery get a
mental health evaluation at Gateway Behavioral Health (”Gateway”)
on December 18, 2018.
b. The information Ahmaud Arbery provided to the mental health
evaluator concerning his auditory delusions sometimes commanding
him ”to rob and steal” and sometimes telling him ”to hurt people,”
his combative tendencies, his anger, and his difficulty in situations
inside and outside his home. 1
c. Evidence from Ahmaud Arbery’s mental health evaluators,
who on December 18, 2018, diagnosed him with Schizoaffective
@@davea556 well if all of that is true, he dam well was not exhibiting any of those things that day. He was trying to help his mental health by jogging as all three defendants should have been doing to help there mentally, racist ideology!
@@jewellwilson7812
Was Arbery exhibiting any of these Modes of Operation? Be honest now?
On March 14, 2013, security
camera Video from South Georgia
Technical College
reveals Mr. Arbery provided friend pair of wire
cutters to use as weapon as he, the friend, and others waited for
another group of men to appear. When the other group arrived, Mr.
Arbery and the others engaged in violent
fight;
.' On December 3, 2013, Glynn County Police reports
reveal Mr. Arbery
unlawfully
concealed handgun into his waistband and tried to gain
admission into high school basketball game. Officers noticed the
butt of the gun protruding
from his waistband and ordered for him
to stop. Mr. Arbery
ran from police, which resulted in two officers
sustaining injuries: one because Mr. Arbery
scratched his arm to get
away; the other because the officer fell and sustained injuries during
his chase of Mr. Arbery. Also, the Chief of Police reported that as he
chased Mr. Arbery
in his vehicle, Mr. Arbery
reached into his
waistband as if searching
for his firearm. Police eventually
surrounded Mr. Arbery and charged him. He was later convicted for
several felony and misdemeanor charges, including gun possession
and obstruction;
In June of 2018, 911 audio reveals Mr. Arbery’s mother, Wanda Jones,
called 911 due to Mr. Arbery’s
refusal to give Ms. Jones her car keys.
She made the call from inside her car While Mr. Arbery
stood outside
her car. During her call to 911, she cautioned the operator
that Mr Arbery had mental condition that had ”escalated" over time.
Additionally, Ms. Jones told the officer that Mr. Arbery might get
violent with the officers due to his mental illness, if
they were too
confrontational with Mr. Arbery or tried to arrest him or take him
into custody;
5. On August 21, 2018, Burke County Witness reports and Burke County Office body
cam Video reveals Mr. Arbery was caught by stay-at-
home mom who saw him in her backyard looking into the windows
of her cars. She called police who found Mr. Arbery
at his grandmother’s
residence. Police officers arrived to give Mr. Arbery
trespass warning
about his conduct and behavior. When confronted
by
the officers about the eye-witness report, he lied said he had ”gone
running
in the street,” and then became aggressive, confrontational,
and repeatedly
threatened that he would “whip the officer’s ass” if
they didn't leave him alone. He was not arrested;
6. On October 23, 2018, Burke County reports and Burke County officer
body
cam video reveal Mr. Arbery and two juveniles were
confronted in vacant mobile home by
the Burke County Sheriff’s
Office. Mr. Arbery
ran when confronted by
the authorities. He was
later caught and lied, stating he was just out running, when asked
about being
in the mobile home. He was charged with misdemeanor
obstruction for running when given lawful commands to stop;
7. On December 1, 2018, Glynn County officer body
cam video reveals Mr. Arbery was arrested, charged, and later convicted for felony
shoplifting by entering
store and attempting
to steal television;
8. In 2019 and 2020, witness interviews reveal Mr. Arbery was seen by
his own neighbors, removing
screen from Windows and trying
enter
their homes through the windows. When confronted by
the
neighbors about his conduct and behavior, he appeared ”nervous or
agitated" and ”trying to figure out where to go." Then he said he was
interested in buy
the house but ”took off running. On the second
occasion, the home owner observed Mr. Arbery trying to gain
entrance through door. They again tried to talk to Mr. Arbery but
he would not speak or say anything, he simply
ran away;
9. In 2019 and 2020, local convenience store Witness interviews reveal Mr. Arbery became known as ”the jogger"
for his repeated conduct
and behavior of running up, stretching
in front in, and then entering
several convenience stores where he would grab items and run out
before he could be caught; and
10.In 2020, witness cell phone video reveals Mr. Arbery was confronted
at convenience store by employees about his theft conduct and
behavior. Mr. Arbery, cornered about his thefts, chose to fight man
who worked on location at the adjacent truck stop who tried to
confront him about it.
@@jewellwilson7812 Why are all these high profile cases involve seasoned criminals of a certain race? To many to list.
He could have been coco crispy crazy as long as he hadn't committed a crime.
They want to bring up abery's record, what about Travis record he's not innocent, he also has a record
Roddy Bryan is facing child molestation charges RIGHT NOW, and they wanna bring up Ahmaud’s record from seven years ago.
And Travis is the one on trial.
@@normette wait seriously
@@normette are you serious?
@@richrondo9090 here’s a link to a video article. th-cam.com/video/exUbhWazeAQ/w-d-xo.html
The whole neighborhood is at fault because they watch and was yelling and that part been left out this was watched like a movie before it hit the internet. Believe that and some girl leaked the footage don't forget
Where is that video clip? I haven’t seen nor heard about it.
Are you thinking of George Floyd’s murder?
This judge has great patience!
Totally agree…I wonder have to fight myself from rolling my eyes 👀 or cutting them off for wasting the court’s time. At the end of the day the three individuals are civilians and had no legal right to stop Arbey…none whatsoever.
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It's quite easy when you've already made your decision
They murdered him! Period! The defense has no sole, yet their trying their best in representing and trying to free those heartless cowards.
That's one opinion. I view it like these men tried to question a man running from their neighbors property that they knew wasn't home. At which point he tried to attack them. I don't think anybody expected or wanted it to turn out like this
@@garyhost1830 None of this would have happened if they had simply called law enforcement and minded their damn business after that. What right did they have to go chasing him down in the street like their hunting for game with loaded weapons'? It was at that moment, they fucked up! But they made a conscious decision even though there wasn't any direct threat to those men or their immediate property or family? I own a house in a quiet neighborhood until the kids come around during the summer, play music, smoke weed, play ball, and get loud sometimes but that doesn't mean I'm gonna go outside to hunt them down. I simply call the police to come and check them out. Thats normal shit adults do. But your entitled to your own justification here as am I.
In fairness they confronted him and Arbery attacked them, no law prohibits confronting someone, the law does prohibit assaulting someone, ya know?
@@theycallmenick Which came first? The chicken or the egg... Their in jail for a reason and the trial will decide their fate (for confronting him)
@@DjSmoothNY Yes true, I don't think Arbery should have died it's a shitty situation but the implication of charging a man with murder when he stood still while a man ran 100ft at him and attacked him is that there will be no more self defense.
Charge them with the crime of "confronting" Arbery, I just don't think it's a crime to do so. If i thought I saw a guy that was on security footage at my neighbors I would probably follow him and see what he's up to. Outside of the cities everyone carries guns. I should be able to say, hey what are you doing on the property, without being assaulted and being forced to defend myself.
How on earth can Ahmaud's prior history have any bearing on the behavior of the defendants or him on the day of his murder? The defendants couldn't have known it so how it might or might not have had a bearing on his behavior is not germane. And the BS about 'fright or flight' is ridiculous, if someone finds themselves being chased by cars and confronting armed men I would challenge anyone to be able to predict their reaction.
He was on felony probation and still couldn't stop himself from casing a construction site for stuff to steal. If he wasn't murdered he'd be doing a life term within the next couple years. He brought a gun to his school. So whether he was murdered or murdered someone else is immaterial. This was a recipe bound for failure. Teach your children to respect other people's lives and property. Otherwise people won't care about theirs. Period.
@Richard Jesus you really have a fair grip on this whole situation. Well said and respect.
I want to remind the defense, after listening to them talk for several days about how it could have been possible to suspect that Mr. Arbrey could have possibly done something somewhere at some time., that we know of nothing whatsoever that he actually did. He was just killed. Tragic.
Consider this reasonable doubt...
FACT: Mr. Arbery was a convicted felon who was doing his time on probation.
Arbery possible state of mind:
If caught even for a minor charge/offense. Arbery was likely going to prison, that is if he complied and did not escape. Arbery ran and inexplicably attacked pushed and punched the man holding a shotgun. Tragic, but not racism or murder.
Well... we know he trespassed, we also know he attacked a guy with a gun that confronted him. Even if someone walks up to you with a gun, you don't have a right to attack them true?
@@davea556 this is racism and murder beyond a shadow of doubt.
Again, you're missing it. We have no knowledge of him doing ANYTHING associated with these people, this neighborhood or these people's almighty property. You are arguing that he has a record of having done something in the past and therefore had a lot to lose. All God's children with a shotgun pushed in their chest have a lot to lose. This will be remembered forever as another tragic injustice built on a few flimsy suspicions by unauthorized white men and a long national history of valuing my hand tools over your human life. The only hope here is to have this court call it what it is. Though Mrs. Arbrey will cry for years either way.
@@annejordan7079 uhh no obviously you missed it. He's on security footage 3 times. He's seen IN PERSON on the property days before the incident and motions like he has a gun in his waistband and Travis sees this and calls the cops. After both these incidents he's seen running down the street, security footage reveals he was on the property a 5th time that day.
After that he's confronted about why he's there, gets aggressive and attacks travis because he didn't like being followed. That's still assault. There is no law that says I cant confront you in my neighborhood and ask what you're going but there is a law about assaulting people which is what Arbery did.
The truth has been told
Travis killed a black man for nothing , it's because of the color of his skin . Travis and daddy just wanted to be heroes in the neighborhood
I don't even jog in my neighborhood. I don't walk around the subdivision at night. I'm a business owner, black and paid ALOT of money for my home but I live among whites (all whom are nice so far) but I know it's some lurking who may not like my presence in their upscale area as they'd see it. Not interested in finding out.
killing an allegedly mentally ill person makes it less of a murder?
what ahmaud did in his life is irrevelant!
I don't care what his record was, all that matters in this case is how 3 out of control men chased him down and shot him to death.
In fairness they confronted him and Arbery attacked them, no law prohibits confronting someone, the law does prohibit assaulting someone, ya know?
@@theycallmenick it is illegal to point a gun at someone who isn't committing a felony. Learn the law before opening your mouth
@@BubbyBold it's not illegal to point a gun if they are advancing on your position and you feel threatened for your life. Look at rittenhouse, arbery had no business rushing travis and trying to disarm him, that's called assault. There's no law that says I cant confront a civilian or criminal.
@@theycallmenick .You cannot come up to me under pure suspicion and just confront me and force me to talk to you, force me to stop my jog, force me to do anything. It is not your right to deny mine. You do not have the authority. And the presence of a weapon does not give you MORE authority
@@TheLastAshbringer how did they FORCE Arbery to talk to them? He stood still with his gun and DIDNT SHOOT ya moron. Arbery ATTACKED the man with the gun and the guy NEVER SHOT until he was attacked. Why didnt he shoot him in the 30 seconds Abrery was running directly at him if he wanted to murder him?
My Prayers go out to The Mother of Ahmad may the Lord comfort you as this horrible tragedy is played out in court. I admire your Strength.. May Jesus bless u with more strength restore you every day in the Name of Jesus God Bless the AA family... Thank God for each and every Pastor in attendance... Praying for Justice.. God Bless this Judge right now..Amen
Your prayers are not going further than this comment. For you to even recognize those fraud race baiters as pastors show even the jesus you pray to is a fraud. Try reading the Word of God to find the real Jesus to open your eyes.
Amen 🙏🏽
@@truthseeker1833 you literally believe in magic and Travis McMicheal is going to jail. Sleep well tonight knowing these truths. Clown 🤡
Amen...God is alive and he will prevail.....there is no one that should deny justice after watching the video regardless of your race....2ndly am always perplexed when a white man want to lie about everything after they displaced bravado after the incident..at one point AA was said to be breathing while the Police and the McMichaels didnt render any aid...when he feel he didnt render aid
@@truthseeker1833 1 John 2:4 whoever says, i know him," but does not what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.. its funny you say they are race baiting. there is a couple of white pastors in there.. its an all white jury except for one black juror. i bet you don't have a problem with that.. people with hate in there heart will not see the kingdom of heaven. You are blaspheming Jesus.. before you say anything. I'm white. and what they did was wrong they did not have to kill him. seems like you need to open your eyes and find the real Jesus.. rather you like it or not they are going to prison. and i also pray for his mother and justice to be served. we who don't see skin color are sick and tired of racist people and you have a racist heart..
The prosecutor showed a part of the video that I had not see before. It showed when the first shot was fired. It happened when Arbery ran from the passenger side of the white truck to the front. Travis had gone around to the front of the truck and shot Arbery as he made that turn. The struggle for the gun happened after that first shot!! It was clear that Travis murdered Arbery without provocation of any kind. Arbery fought for the gun in self defense after he had been shot the first time. Travis shot him two more times before Arbery stumbled and fell to the ground.
I have been saying this from the very beginning.
No way, I watched it again in real time and the shot is not fired until Arbury is at the front of the truck attempting to grab the gun, Easy to see the timing.
th-cam.com/video/N3JDE_ZfgSE/w-d-xo.html Arbury goes for the gun, tragic mistake
Just to clarify, the gun was fired three times with Mr. Ahmad being struck twice. Once in the chest, and another under the arm. It doesn't change the horrible facts of Ahmad's murder.
I believe that Travis and Greg are both guilty of 1st degree murder and Roddie I think is guilty if manslaughter… but in the video Travis shot Arbery when he was in front of the truck and going straight for Travis…. It doesn’t lessen Travis’ guilt at all. For some reason I don’t think Roddie is as guilty of murder as Travis and Greg abd it’s probably because one could argue that Roddie didn’t know they had guns or could not presume Travis would shoot Arbery? I just feel the State over charged Roddie for some reason and I don’t think the jury will find him guilty of 1st degree
We need to have someone testify as to Arbery's state of mind when he ran away. It's easy to see why he was running, he was scared shitless. What he was scared of is not relevant, the fact is he did not want this confrontation ad was forced into it.
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Exactly!
2 racist and 1 brain shared by the both of em I'm running to
Nobody likes jail that's why he was scared
@@jojosrakorzian2739 Travis McMichael must love jail. He's going to be there for a very long time.
This killing was like a Southern lynching you read about in history books. I’m so glad this is a case and Arberys life lost is considered as important.
It is. It's getting better though. Less lynching's but the evil is not over. We need more white person's of Christian faith to stand up to it. Plenty Black person's of Christianity already have.
Exactly what it was, a lynching that fortunately was recorded otherwise could have been a different outcome
Who is he ro make those conclusions? I hate how racist think they can kill and not be punished.
White Privilege will do that to you
Imagine they was all black and u seen this? Who's racist? GTFOH
@@CeeBarrio1 the guys who killed a black man jogging that doesn’t even fit the description of the one stealing things
They reference everything negative about Ahmad but will not touch on none of the Brutal Negative Racial comments made before and after he was murdered by Travis. His father said SOME HEARTBREAKING RACIAL COMMENTS...All them said something terrible. It's all on the video... Please Lord don't let them get away with this it will be so very SAD
The prosecutors suck big time if they don't bring out all sides info the same
Damn what he say
@@airplanemode3592 called him the n-word after he short him
@@jackiepayton6232 Dear God, how did I not even know that? And they weren’t permitted to admit that part of the video?! That’s awful!
Now, that just pisses me off. I thought I saw all of the videos, but I guess not.
hummmm...........I wonder how many young black males, in that town, have been stopped and questioned about their intent? I bet most black males are questioned about their intent on a semi regular basis. Ahmed would be just one of many instances of running while black.
The first time it happens, it doesn't really bother you and you kind of like, "ugh what's going on?" Afterwards, you just think, something must have happened and brush it off.
But after repeated times and from different people or police, throughout your life, you get annoyed.
Sad truth it happens all the time not just in the south
@@michelejohnson1001 that is true. They see you they lock on. But it's most important to not react. I try to just ignore when I'm being watched... but I do stay vigilant... just in case.
These people think they can grab a gun chase a guy down and then kill him when he tries to escape is insane.
And then dig thru the murdered victims past, as if thats relevant
@@parrisprice5892 What past? Tell us about it? This is where people usually change the subject about Ahmaud isn't it?
@@TisEYEthe1 ahmauds DEAD. Thank god the murderers are in prison, their about to live as a minority for a very ,very long time. Unless one opens his racist mouth and catches some steel.
I have never understood how defence tried to argue his probation was a reason that explains Ahmaud running towards Travis rather than running because he didn't want to go back to jail. It doesn't make sense too attack a man pointing a shotgun at you while his armed accomplice watches so that police won't arrest you, rather than run away?? They keep neglecting he had ran 2.5 miles to get to that area from home, then been chased for 4 nearly 5 minutes around the neighbourhood and then defence says why didn't he just run the other way and go home?? Fight and flight will be anyone's response to this situation whether they have had mental issues or not. All they want to be able to do is paint Ahmaud as a black crazy man who terrified two armed men when they politely ask him to come over and talk to them. It's ridiculous. They want the prior arrests brought in so they can say yes he never stole anything but he had a criminal record so he must have been going to steal something eventually and must have done the other crimes in the White neighbourhood.
They had no knowledge of him before that time and judge did not allow people who saw him jogging regularly at night in neighbourhoods around Satilla Shores as that was not relevant to the case.
You could probably ask him that "IF THEY DIDN'T KILL HIM" Also, even if he did steal something, you still can't "KILL HIM FOR IT"
Thank the LORD for JUSTICE! He ran from them but they kept pursuing, they took the law into their hands and now they are being judged by the law!
Not only judged by the law but was handsomely found GUILTY.
How can you put a victim on trial when he’s dead! Period.OMG SMH
Is America
It's so odd to me what some people think they have a right to do. Especially police.
That guy was a former investigator too. I'm sure he coached his son and told him it was OK to do what they were doing.
I can't believe the defense lawyers are actually arguing if Ahmaud Arbery's behavior being appropriate or not!
If I ever need a lawyer, I'm calling Linda
I go to empty houses and look around all the time. This is insane
This poor judge. Every time he thinks he’s finally going to move to the next issue, this weasel lawyer keeps popping up and saying “your honor id just like to address a couple of things” like 5 times 😂
Its called fighting for their client ... you would expect the same .
@@ozarkdaredevils He’s a jackoff.
@@ozarkdaredevils they have no decorum no decency after all Ahmad mother is sitting right there they was raised like that
Does not matter your past... you don't follow a man and shotgun him 3 times
Correct Why did they not call the police?????
Bringing his prior running away/combative behavior with policemen is a slippery slope the court should not go down. There is no way to know why he ran or was combative. Perhaps the cops routinely harassed him? Perhaps he's an asshole? There is no, on the face of it, to know! Thus it should be come into this case. That's my thought on this anyway.
The policeman wrote a report - no guess work needed. This evidence would have explained what state of mind Arbery was in. The jogging false narrative is the same pathetic idea as the 'hands up dont shoot' narrative. The video clearly shows Arbery was the combative pushing punching actor. Travis only shot because he was losing that battle.
@@davea556 as if police reports are not routinely filled with lies, lmmmfao. Its easy to see your in the klan too.
@@parrisprice5892 oh thats right - this alleged murder of Ahmad was planned for years. 10 police reports were all faked. Ahmad was wrongly convicted of the 2 felonies and that why he ran from the scene of the alleged burglary and violently attacked the homeowner/neighbor.
@@parrisprice5892 Ahmad had his 'hands up and said don't shoot' ? right.
@@davea556 aww is someone triggered. Racism does that to ya
These defense lawyers are clowns
Why oh why could they just not have negated their emotions and let the police handle things? Then they would not be on trial, Ahmauds mother would be home baking cookies, and poor Ahmaud would still be alive. God bless you my Great young Brother. May you forever dwell in the field of peace and blessings.
Amaud would be back in jail then.
Why didn't amhaud stop and just let police handle things ?
@@garyhost1830 Where were the police? Oh right they didn’t show up until he was dead
Great young brother? I mean he was a burglar and thief and has a long criminal history, obviously his proclivity to "looking through private property" has gotten him killed so... play stupid games win stupid prizes.
@@theycallmenick TM was inebriated on moonshine, his judgement was severely impaired. Word is, he traded his gun For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge down at the local truck stop, after a night of reveling on New Years Eve.
I wanted to say that this judge was very fair to both sides.
Some of you are really ridiculous in your thinking. Record or not, he did nothing wrong that day. He did nothing that warrants being killed. Many of you have grown children that have records and have done plenty wrong. Line them up outside and give them the McMichael treatment since one's faulty past equals a death sentence.
Even people with a non-existent record have bad things happen to them. Its not fair to say that oh its Karma. Just keep that same energy when something awful happens to you. Don't @me. I don't care what your disagreement is. I don't check replies. ✌
They can’t bring this in I’m so glad the first judge said NO .. so Timmy ain’t here for it either…
I am more concerned with the mental health of individuals whose initial response to a man running on a public street was to grab firearms and chase him down, but from their neighbors' testimonies, it sounds like the typical affluent conservative suburban culture where guns are good, and armed men with prejudice are, in their minds, just extensions of the local police.
I don't understand how you can completely change your statement to police. Are we supposed to completely forget it and just take his word that now what he says is what really happened. Someone explain this to me.
Describe in writing what you see in front of a store next time you go--save the written paper.. Then a week later do it again. And the next week--do it again. Did you say exactly the same thing each week?
So if someone has a criminal record a random person can shoot them? Odd I thought that's why we had a court system.
Side note it was already proven he didn't commit a crime at the time so why does it matter he had previously committed a crime and was on probation?
He ran this way then he ran that way. He ran towards this person then ran towards that person but on the phone the man said "we have him cornered like a rat" exactly what did they expect him to do?
This Lady Prosecutor is so sharp. She took on the whole defense team all by herself.
Really?
Sad these Mormons digging up sht that don't have nothing to do with this case
Is Ahmad Arbery on trial here?????????
I love the judge he is a good person 👌 I also love the Prosecutor 👏
Those attorneys are trash 🚮
Seems like you're in love with all the people paid to put the Good Samaritans in jail how biased
@@blmtrejureydepourtment5899 Good sumartians do not grab guns
and chase unarmed people that are keeping to themselves.
The McMicheals never nmentioned anything about a Citizen's Arrest
to Ahmaud Arbery or any of the Glynn County Shertiff Deputies at the scene of the murder on February 23 2020.
The 3 Convicted Racist Murderers plead GUILTY in the Federal Hate Crime Trial and admitted to chasing then murdering Ahmaud Arbery for being
a Black Man in a mostly Caucasian neighborhood.
You can visit your Klu Klux Klan Buddies in prison.
Who thinks this honorable judge was glad to not have to deal with Mr. Gough when this trial ended?
I THINK THAT SHEFFIELD WORKED ON HIS NERVES MORE THAN GOUGH, HE JUST SAW GOUGH AS A CLOWN
the victim was unarmed, innocent, chased by 3 armed men in vehicles while on foot, and shot dead/murdered ... period ... everything else is irrelevant ... and none of his killers holds any medical degrees, or law enforcement positions within the jurisdiction that Ahmaud was murdered in
You haven't been watching the trial have you? The dad was in law enforcement
@@pokemaster077
And got fired.
Ha, This judge basically said, the court is not going to entertain your racial profiling ! Great Judge !
Facts remain:
Mr. Arbery was a convicted felon who was doing his time on probation. If caught even for a minor charge/offense. Arbery was likely going to prison if he complied. This was obviously the reason Arbery ran and eventually attacked the man holding a shotgun - not vigilante murderous racism as you want to believe.
@@davea556 I think all three of them, Larry, Curly, and Moe, are going to prison, for the rest of their lives ! Trial is over ! We will see soon enough !
@@petermohr5163
No response to the facts that are withheld from the jury?
Mr. Arbery was a convicted felon who was doing his time on probation. If caught even for a minor charge/offense, Arbery was likely going to prison if he complied. This was obviously the reason Arbery ran and eventually attacked the man holding a shotgun.
Why would anyone risk fighting, pushing and punching the man holding a shot gun? See logical reasonable answer above.
@@davea556 The day he was murdered, the only crime he had committed was jogging ! We are talking about the events that occured on one day ! The rest off it is inmaterial to the case ! That is why the judge would not allow it !
@@petermohr5163 Not true - Ahmad was on video recording and eye witnessed not jogging that day and not jogging on numerous occasions trespassing in the neighborhood. As you must be aware.
This judge seems irritated with the defensive attorneys. Ahmaud is not on trial, your clients are, Stop making it about a person who is not there to defend themselves.
This is WHAT PISSED ME OFF. Like it's his fault you chased his down and killed him. It's always his fault.
Well his actions technically sparked the chase… but the chase was illegal and in theory subsequent attempts to stop Aubrey were illegal… since after the initial chase Aubrey continued to run away, as citizens they should’ve retreated… hence ultimately they will be found guilty of reckless homicide… they’re just going through the motions right now… the law is pretty clear on this… this is the reason why rittenhouse will be found not guilty while mcmichaels will go to prison.
Defense: Permission to use the N word your honor
If a person is on trial for something they cant start listing every concievable thing about past crimes as if to convince the jury "he deserved it because of other stuff he had done"
1. He isn't on trial, the defendants are.
2. When his prior mental health and criminal record give insight into WHY he acted the way he did and WHY he was doing the things he was doing and going into random homes in random neighborhoods.
But it's okay, keep ignoring facts of the trial. Make sure you keep listening to and following the feelings of the black community.
The same community that wanted to see Kyle Rittenhouse go to prison for life and still label him a racist and his case literally was self defense that involved all white men.
But CNN and MSNBC told them to hate Kyle and call him racist, so guess what? Lol
If CNN and MSNBC flipped the script right now and starting lying for conservatives and not liberals and started reporting the mcmichaels were innocent, 90% of the black community would find a reason to support them.
Do you not understand?
That’s why the defense wants it to come in.
@@d-con6825 You are throwing things together that have no relationship in fact or law. Every jurisdiction bars prior bad acts/ character evidence. This is a cut and dried ruling on this issue.
@@d-con6825 Ignoring the facts:
- The fact that the argument here is self defense.
If self defense is being argued here, it would hold if The McMichaels hadn’t incited the actions of Ahmad Aurbery. Chasing someone down for a crime you *suspect* someone might’ve committed is already illegal. Stack upon that the fact that they attempted to apprehend Aurbery- and you’ve essentially obliterated a self defense argument.
- The US does not support vigilantly justice
Again, even if Aurbery had committed a crime, it is not on the McMichaels to apprehend, or even punish him for a crime. They managed to do both, and for a crime he didn’t commit.
- Ahmad Aurbery did not commit a crime.
The crime that the defense is attempting to characterize is one in which Aurbery has stolen from a construction site. There has been no evidence of this crime occurring. Video of evidence submitted to the court shows no wrong-doing.
- Aurbery’s previous mental health issues would not change the actions of the McMichael’s.
Let’s pretend Aurbery did indeed have mental health issues that inhibited his ability to properly respond to situations (I say pretend because as of now they have not been submitted to the court for evidence). The McMichael’s actions still would not be justified, as they were the inciters of violence. And in that case, even if Aurbery acted back violently, his actions are still justified.
- Last fact: your inability to argue your stance or the actions of the McMichaels is evident in your sudden switch to personal attacks, and use of trivial, irrelevant opinions. Had you stuck your course, and argued the “facts” of the case maybe you’d stand a chance. But obviously, your feelings get in the way.
Also, the Judge in the Rottenhouse trial also denied evidence of comments he had made 15 days prior relating to the actions he took on the night in Kenosha. It is precedent, as the other comment has stated. But keep crying why don’t you.
the defence is weak, they're trying to say he runs from uniform cops there for him running away from 3 guys in a pickup truck with a gun makes no sense, thats dumb and also even if they WERE cops in uniform, executing people is illegal still
I see no remorse, no emotion, subhumans ☹️
I need the judges facial expressions as GIFS 😂
The matter of Arbery's mental health and probation record are irrelevant to whether the clients had a right to stop Arbery in the first place. And it is their right to stop him that is at issue. Presenting to a jury that Arbery may have other reasons of being there or other reasons of taking choices he had just muddies the water in determining whether they had a right to stop him because there is NO mental state or probation record that would affect whether that right exists.
You do realize citizen's arrest is a state law citizens can do that. Also we need to know what his record is because there been reports of several cars and houses being broken into that matches his description caught on video. One of the residents of the neighborhood testify to that fact. So I don't know let's see what his criminal record is. You know establishing a pattern that puts into serious question why he was scrambling around a house that he had no business being at. I mean you do know what logic is don't you? Because that poor guy sure as hell didn't know what hey stop don't move the cops are on the way and then reaching for a guys gun and the consequences of those action.
I just looked it up he has a history of theft I'm shocked. So probably watch more of the trial.
@@Faroundandfoundout So what about the others who visited that house even the white people who was also in that house?
@@Faroundandfoundout did you read the part in Georgia where your only allowed to make a citizens arrest if you see a felony happen with your own eyes which none of them did so citizens arrest is out the window
@@Faroundandfoundout the fifth amendment protects arbery from having to stop and he didnt know who they were he has no reason to have to identify himself he had no stolen property on him or anything all the mcmicheals reasons for why they acted have been proven as false in court theres nothing you said that has held value in the court that's why the defense has asked for a mistrial every day they know their clients are screwed
Mental health evaluations for all. If you open the door for Maud, for the brothers also
The brothers who?
How’s this relevant? You can’t shoot someone and chase em down when u think they did something… there’s a thing called proof
Do you mean this woman is a defense lawyer? What a joke.
Even if he did have mental health problems, it doesn’t matter. Why would Travis chase and antagonize someone who was “acting funny?” These defense lawyers are grasping at straws.
The defense did'nt really have a argument for those defendants, because they where the predators..plain and simple
They tried so hard to drag that poor man through the mud. Hopefully the verdict gives his family at least a bit of relief and strength.
I hope that they unleash havoc in that "Sundown town" if they get off.
Where is the Mental Health file on Gough, her and her Spouse. The entire Defense Team have shown Mental Health challenges during this trial. They certainly have driven US CRAZY
Denied Denying Denied denying Judge Denied 3 of the 4 motions
It’s funny how all of a sudden Travis is using the “I was trying to defend myself scenario”, but the one thing he forgot was that it was his father and himself who got their shotguns and went right after him in their trunk for no other reason than to ambush him and kill Ahmaud Arbery, a young black man. They did not do this when other young kids had gone into that house, but they decided to take matters into their own hands even after they called the police and were told that if Ahmaud did not break into the house to steal anything, again there was no need to send the police out to investigate or make a possible arrest. And according to the video, Ahmaud had been there several times, looked around as the owners house was being remodeled, but on that day, he then left and continued his jog.
Did Ahmaud break the law? UH NO!!! These two knuckle heads without forethought decided to take matters into their own hands and because the police told them if Ahmaud didn’t steal anything or commit a crime, there was no reason for a police unit be sent out. They are guilty period!!! They went after him with intent to kill Ahmaud Aubrey based on the evidence shown on video and it’s fortunate the their third party perpetrator filmed it all implementing all three of them in all this. The End!!!!
The whole truth nothig but.... Mr. Arbery was a convicted felon who was doing his time on probation. If caught even for a minor charge/offense, Arbery was likely going to prison if he complied. This was obviously the reason Arbery ran and eventually attacked the man holding a shotgun - not vigilante murderous racism as you want to believe.
@@davea556 But, if the defendant was not employed at the time as a cop and did not have anything indicating that he was a cop, then Arbery had no duty to the defendant. That is why they were claiming citizen’s arrest (again the defendant had no authority to detain), but if Arbery was turning to leave, then the ‘threat’ to the defendant was no longer present. The defendant took upon himself to continue to pursue Arbery, even though he did not have any authority to do so. Remember, the defendant did not have a badge, uniform, or patrol car to ‘detain’ Arbery. As the original commentator stated that the police was called and they did not investigate because Arbery did not break into an house under construction that did not have trespassing signs. That part of the defendant testimony cannot be overlooked.
@@davea556 oh yea Im sure they would have done the same thing if it was some white kid 🙄
@@davea556, Of course he was! This happened when Ahmaud was in HIGH SCHOOL, he received five years of probation (no jail time) for a first-time weapons charge and in 2018, he was convicted of probation violation for shoplifting (again, no jail time) this was according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution newspaper. It was mentioned that, in 2017, a Glynn County officer attempted to tase him after he denied their request to search his car at a park. Soooo, with all this said, this has absolutely nothing to do with what occurred the day he went for a jog.
Also, the Police bodycam footage showed the encounter with officers, who said he was in a car in an area known for drug use. Ahmaud said he was on his day off from work. The taser malfunctioned and he was allowed to leave on foot. So, that’s neither here nor there . He wasn’t committing a crime before he was murdered he went on a jog, was a regular visitor of a house under construction to which the owner of the house had no problem with it, however he did have a problem with a bunch of white kids entering his house and some things were stolen.
@@reebri2622 Thank, Exactly!!
Which has nothing to do with their hunting him down and provoking leading to murder.
I understand what there saying makes perfect sense in the movie the Chainsaw massacre if the teens simply just spoke to Leatherface instead of running or getting confrontational than they’d all be alive
No one has to speak to you!
Good one lol
No matter what the defense attorney says it's irrelevant to the case. First of all the doctors or physicists should have taken the stand. She is avoiding HIPAA laws
She must of got her law degree out of a cereal box Smh, the judge is looking like here comes the bs
That bimbo is the worst.