Shot Iron wills this past season for Whitetails and they were awesome. 2 deer ran maybe 50 yards combined. Heavier Arrow (540ish grains) and Insanely sharp broadhead, they had no idea what happened either time. Crazy to watch! Switching to Ethics components this year as well!
I use the Ethics setup with my 5mm Axis shafts. Deadly. I am in the market for some Iron Will broadheads as well this year. So that's what I will be running for bullets this year. Most likely 125 - 150 grains.
Never felt the need to glue on my outserts from my Ethics Archery components. Once you sand down the shaft (if you need to) and screw on a tip, that outsert isn't moving anywhere. If you break the arrow it'll be a lot tougher to remove the sleeve if it's glued on.
I’ve been running the ethics 85G aluminum outsert system and they are by far the weakest component on my arrow if you shoot any kind of poundage over 55lbs they’re going to bend , I ordered the 12 pack and I build 4 arrows to hunt with and I’ve replaced 4 sleeves from being bent just from shooting my 3D target called ethics and they told me they will bend if you shoot 70lbs I think they should mention that before you buy them
For what it's worth this has been my experience with any and all aluminum components regardless of brand or style. One impact into a hard material or even repeated impacts into softer targets material will bend them and they will not spin true. I've also broken ethics stainless steel inserts halfway down the post with larger broadheads in animals. I am steering clear of their stuff now.
On the ethics archery stuff.... Glue in the insert and rotate it with a broadhead like you would a regular insert (on a spinner) to get the best alignment. Glue on the sleeve and press on until you can get thread contact with a field point or broadhead. Once you do that take your bh/fp and press on the sleeve using the "clamping" action of the threads as you screw on the BH/FP. This will make them both square to each other AND the arrow. I would also say that I have had a ton of success using a small soldering heat gun for glue instead of an open flame. Set it to 180deg F. You can put it direct on the sleeve as you clamp it.
I tink tinked this exact setup last spring. Axis 300, ethics outsert, 125v IW for 590 grains, 255 fps out of Carbon Air 32 at 67lbs. Most accurate arrow setup in my 59 years of bow hunting. Did a job on my black tail at 65 yards and a bear at 14 yards.
I'd love to see you guys send them into bone or something like bone at weird angles and do penetration tests with doing all of this, vs light 300 spine with light inserts and 100gn heads.
Last year I ran the Ethics Archery outserts with Iron Will broadheads on the Easton Hexx 260 spine cut to 30". Three blazer vanes and lighted nocks included, TAW= 546 gns. Shooting a Bowtech RealmX @ 70.5lbs, 28.5" DL my arrow speed was 254fps. They flew great although I never did get to put them to the true test. I really hope Ethics or Iron Will will offer titanium outserts in the future. Strength being the same, I would rather run a 50 grain outsert and put the extra weight in a beefy broadhead than a 125 gn outsert and a 100 or 125 gn broadhead. The new single bevel Iron Wills are very intriguing.
I just finished a build of Black eagle rampage only 3 to test . Ethics Archery inserts 185 g points 125g . 23% FOC . I shoot 31.5 Mathews VXR 28in 70lbs . From my old arrows Standard inserts 125 g points @ 30 yrs it only drop 2.5 in which to me is minor change . The bow is the amazing side effect. It’s much quieter , and more stable in my hand. More energy in going into the arrows then in the bow. They would love to here a engineer talk about that hint, hint wink , wink.
I use a tiny bit of hot melt for the collars and inserts when I’m building a different arrow set up until I find what works best, Then I’ll epoxy the insert in but still use hot melt on the outsert. I have yet to get a sleeve that fits the victory RIP TKO 300 spine from ethics just FYI and I’ve talked to every one there lol
Any follow up to this? Looked like the Ethics didn’t quite fit, just wondering how the full install went and which you used. Was thinking Ethics but if I have to sand (weaken) the shaft I would become uninterested pretty quickly. Maybe Ethics HITs and IW collars?…
What did you use to glue them in? I'm testing a few with Gorilla epoxy. I just got some ethics archery components. I'm running heavier broadheads so I went with the 80-100gr insert/sleeve. I was actually able to cut the insert down an extra 10gr so it's 70gr total.
I think Iron Will Broadheads and their components are very very good. In 2019 my set up was the Victory RIP Elite 350 with an Easton 50 grain brass insert and 125 grain Iron Will Solid. This worked very well, I shot a bear, elk, small buck and a doe. I bent two of the Iron Will broadheads one that went through the elk and one that went through the bear. In 2020 I went with the same arrow but changes my broadhead to the Valkyrie Blood Eagle 175 grain. I shot an elk, small buck and a doe with the same arrow and the same broadhead and it will be back in my quiver for the 2021 season. I purchased the Valkyrie aluminum collars along with the 180 grain Jagger broadheads just to test out and so far they are awesome. I don't think a person can go wrong with either the Iron Will or the Valkyrie system.
You guys should look at nexus bow hunting insert/outsert components and the ozcut hurricane broad heads. They are offset similar to a vane on an arrow to promote spin.
I like using the RF test kit because I can fine tune total insert and point weight to shoot bullet holes, then build the set of arrows to match that weight with my broadheads.
It would be cool to see how Iron Will, Ethics, and Valkyrie all compare on an elk sized front shoulder for arrow component and shaft durability and penetration.
@@MattMSchmidt I think when you add up the weights of all the components you can get the different systems pretty close. You can get the Valkyrie Jagger broadhead and centerpin sleeve weight down to 182gr. If you add up a 100gr Iron Will broadhead, 25gr impact collar, and 75 gr insert, you're at 200gr up front. This year I think I'm going to compare an Easton Axis 4mm with Iron Will deep six components and 100 gr broadhead against the Valkyrie system with X-Impact arrows.
Used iron will collars with their wides as well as solid 125s last year and they're awesome! Their broadheads are the strongest I've used and with the collar system not much if anything are stopping those arrows! Not saying I'm aiming for shoulders but this setup absolutely gives you a chance to crush through bone.
You guys have read my mind. I am looking to build some new arrows with ironwill heads, most likely the S125. As well as using their hit insert and collar or the ethics insert. I am intrigued by the ethics system, but I am not sure I want to add that much weight in. I shoot a rip TKO at 27.5, 430 gr. My goal is to get to 475 to 500 gr, but I still want to be around 280fps. Let me know how your set up is working and I’ll post back as I mess with mine. Black Eagle X-impact or Rampage may become my new arrow, but we’ll see. Good video, keep’em coming!
I put on Ethics adjustable outsert system with 185 grain inserts and 150 grain Iron will. CE maxima red sd 350 shafts. 650 grain arrow after done with high FOC! Bone crusher!
Absolutely the best idea ever. Either of these products just have to be the most simple and reliable way to get a heavier protected arrow for higher FOC. Yes, these products are not cheap but look at the work required to make these to tolerances for different shafts. But, really how often does one loose an arrow? IMO, If you're taking ethical shots ( not 90+ yard hail mary) ??, you're going to pretty much know where the arrow went. 👍👍👀
Used both myself. Ethics are great for heavy heavy setups, took 215gr outserts in my Rampages to Africa. Worked flawlessly on kudu, gemsbok and the buff. However I am switching to Iron Will this year for 2 reason: 1) allows a bit lighter and still have a collar and 2) places the ferrules the broadhead inside the shaft. Just don't like the back of the broadhead almost 1" out. I plan to run rampage 300, 50gr HIT, 25 gr collar and 150GR iron wills.
I would say build 2-4 arrows with the ironwill insert/sleeve components. Then use the test pack tips to see what give you the best results. Then using the ethics inserts to build the best setup for you to achieve the same FOC weight. Look at ranch fairy (TH-cam) and the Ashby Bowhunting Foundation. Play with the weights now easier to cut weight later vs adding weight later.
I shoot the VAP TKO's. What is the RIP I.D. ?I'm not familiar with them. I know all the Ethics inserts I have used from Ethics & Valkyrie have been very high quality with incredible tolerances. I do like the 2 little rubber shock absorbers that fit into a groove @ the back of the Viking Centerpin system. The field points don't seem to rattle loose either so that's also a ➕. Thanks for tink, tink tinkering.
I have the Iron will collars on my setup and like them! I have easton inserts in my 5mm 400 spine arrows and the collars made that metal to metal contact I like
Love the content fellas. You guys put in some work. I was wondering how the outserts hold up for shooting 3D targets vs how the glue in points hold up in the 4mm arrows? Thanks!
Just built some 600 grain missiles , ethic archery 100 grain insert , 200 grain tuff head evolution . It’s bullet proof . Some people will say the trajectory will be bad , however you’d be quite surprised how much faster a heavy arrow is down range in comparison to a light arrow . They just don’t lose energy as fast. 29.5 draw , Mathews vxr28!
@@racker7855 I have 12 of each , 12 .300 Apollo and 12 .250 Orion , both fly great and bare shaft tuned , the bear I shot this spring was 34 yards through the heart with the Apollo build .
Test the speed and drop and accuracy at different distances out to 100 yards as well as some sort of durability test! That would be cool as well as really informative to the use of the components.
I really like the weight you got with the Iron Will setup...if could get that weight down to 100gr or even 75gr really with the Ethics that would be awesome. I like to run just about 75gr with a 125gr broadhead and find I still have some speed as well as plenty of penetration.
HeyTim... I couldn’t find the video where you picked the fletching setup 10 months ago... Oh. And BTW Ethics archery Hoss is the man, I’m tinkering too...high FOC...great company with great knowledge... I haven’t done much with ironwil...
I used a little hot melt glue to hold my Iron Will collars in place. Hope is that I might have a chance to reuse them if I break a shaft and am able to find the head side.
@@UrMom_says I'm currently using the Iron Will field points and they work great. I'm not going to say they necessarily tune any different that other field points (only ones I've used with the VXR) but they fit the collars perfect and they sure are easy to remove from a target.
When I tried the Ethics they didn't fit and required much sanding... From the looks of it, sleeve not fitting over your arrow out of the bag your going to have the same issue. And it wasn't a small amount of sanding it was a lot. Like I needed a drill. Hopefully their new sizing is better but it doesn't appear to be much better based on that attempt to slide it over. This ultimately was why I went and stayed with Iron Will -- Simplicity! Curious to see how this ends up working out for you!
You can also heat the collar to expand the metal pop em on and cool them. I use axis as well the issue is not ethics. The Easton arrows seem to have larger tolerances in the outter diameter
The only thing I don’t like about the iron Will set up is for how expensive they are once you break that arrow the inserts aren’t reusable. You’ll never get those inserts off.
I'm shooting 65# with Mathews VXR. Arrows are 30" Black Eagles 250 with 200 grain Ethics Archery SS inserts and 125 grain point. I'm shooting the Slick Trick Standards 125 grain broadhead. Total arrow weight of 650 grains. I refer to them as Thor's Hammer. Hit a whitetail in the joint at the base of the scapula which broke that joint in two pieces. Arrow continued hitting base of spine and then exited opposite side in front of shoulder (complete pass through). Heavy FOC and tuned arrows will shoot. I'm certain you have checked out Ranch Fairy, he is telling the truth on arrows. Can't wait to shoot an elk with this set-up.
I am super reluctant to shoot a heavy arrow myself. I am only a 26 inch draw and shoot only around 65-68 pounds. Anything more and I feel like I’m tearing my shoulder apart. I run a fairly light arrow to maintain some speed. My current arrow setup absolutely smacks right now though.
@Lane Willhite I still like keeping decent speeds because I’m going out west this year for mule deer. I don’t want to have a slow heavy arrow at 60+ yards and miss.
Only way to test is on animals. When you shoot high foc components with the iron will heads and an arrow weight above 650gn you will blow through animals. Penetration from high momentum is the key, not speed, there is alot of literature out there already. I shoot victory Extortion with 130gn insert, shock collar and 100gn fixed blade, total weight 650gn. 260fps.. the penetration is insane. The beauty with large inserts is you can use 100gn heads which gives you the most choice of any broadhead weight which i like.
Wish the #Ethics had the same weight's as the #Ironwill because I just run 50 or 75 grain inserts and 125 gr broadheads. That seems to give me plenty of penetrating capabilities and keep some speed
If your shooting victory arrows why not shoot the vap? They make what i would say are good to very good components from stainless steel. The aluminum ones mehh not so much
A lot of people are still against micro diameter arrows. Not saying Tim is at all. I personally run the VAP TKO elites and love them. I have the 50gn AL outserts on right now but I’m getting a dozen bare shaft to build for my new bow setup this year. I’m definitely going to try some of the Iron will or the Ethics out on them.
The Ethics outsert sleeve are a little annoying. I had to sand down my Easton Axis for them to slide on. Also don’t shoot the Ethics components into a bag target. You’ll wrestle the bag to get your arrow out hahaha
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Anybody mess around with these products? Or know of something comparable? What are your thoughts?
Glad to see you tried out the recommendation for Ethics!
Shot Iron wills this past season for Whitetails and they were awesome. 2 deer ran maybe 50 yards combined. Heavier Arrow (540ish grains) and Insanely sharp broadhead, they had no idea what happened either time. Crazy to watch! Switching to Ethics components this year as well!
I use the ethics footers for my axis arrows. The iron wills should work about the same. They are just more expensive
I use the Ethics setup with my 5mm Axis shafts. Deadly. I am in the market for some Iron Will broadheads as well this year. So that's what I will be running for bullets this year. Most likely 125 - 150 grains.
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You don't know how much I need this right now. I'm in the process of building arrows, and this is so helpful.
This came at the perfect time. Doing research on both of these products for the last few days.
Never felt the need to glue on my outserts from my Ethics Archery components. Once you sand down the shaft (if you need to) and screw on a tip, that outsert isn't moving anywhere. If you break the arrow it'll be a lot tougher to remove the sleeve if it's glued on.
I’ve been running the ethics 85G aluminum outsert system and they are by far the weakest component on my arrow if you shoot any kind of poundage over 55lbs they’re going to bend , I ordered the 12 pack and I build 4 arrows to hunt with and I’ve replaced 4 sleeves from being bent just from shooting my 3D target called ethics and they told me they will bend if you shoot 70lbs I think they should mention that before you buy them
For what it's worth this has been my experience with any and all aluminum components regardless of brand or style. One impact into a hard material or even repeated impacts into softer targets material will bend them and they will not spin true.
I've also broken ethics stainless steel inserts halfway down the post with larger broadheads in animals. I am steering clear of their stuff now.
On the ethics archery stuff.... Glue in the insert and rotate it with a broadhead like you would a regular insert (on a spinner) to get the best alignment. Glue on the sleeve and press on until you can get thread contact with a field point or broadhead. Once you do that take your bh/fp and press on the sleeve using the "clamping" action of the threads as you screw on the BH/FP. This will make them both square to each other AND the arrow.
I would also say that I have had a ton of success using a small soldering heat gun for glue instead of an open flame. Set it to 180deg F. You can put it direct on the sleeve as you clamp it.
I tink tinked this exact setup last spring. Axis 300, ethics outsert, 125v IW for 590 grains, 255 fps out of Carbon Air 32 at 67lbs. Most accurate arrow setup in my 59 years of bow hunting. Did a job on my black tail at 65 yards and a bear at 14 yards.
Great to hear it
Loving my ethics 70 grain SS inserts. Amazing quality.
Love seeing this kind of stuff make sure you let us see how they end up workin tim great job.
I'd love to see you guys send them into bone or something like bone at weird angles and do penetration tests with doing all of this, vs light 300 spine with light inserts and 100gn heads.
Last year I ran the Ethics Archery outserts with Iron Will broadheads on the Easton Hexx 260 spine cut to 30". Three blazer vanes and lighted nocks included, TAW= 546 gns. Shooting a Bowtech RealmX @ 70.5lbs, 28.5" DL my arrow speed was 254fps. They flew great although I never did get to put them to the true test.
I really hope Ethics or Iron Will will offer titanium outserts in the future. Strength being the same, I would rather run a 50 grain outsert and put the extra weight in a beefy broadhead than a 125 gn outsert and a 100 or 125 gn broadhead.
The new single bevel Iron Wills are very intriguing.
Thanks for reviewing the Ethics and Iron Will...the two leading companies in arrow component technology.
I just finished a build of Black eagle rampage only 3 to test . Ethics Archery inserts 185 g points 125g . 23% FOC . I shoot 31.5 Mathews VXR 28in 70lbs . From my old arrows Standard inserts 125 g points @ 30 yrs it only drop 2.5 in which to me is minor change . The bow is the amazing side effect. It’s much quieter , and more stable in my hand. More energy in going into the arrows then in the bow. They would love to here a engineer talk about that hint, hint wink , wink.
I use a tiny bit of hot melt for the collars and inserts when I’m building a different arrow set up until I find what works best,
Then I’ll epoxy the insert in but still use hot melt on the outsert. I have yet to get a sleeve that fits the victory RIP TKO 300 spine from ethics just FYI and I’ve talked to every one there lol
Using epoxy to insert... Ypu silly goose
I use the impact collars without epoxy on 5mm Axis shafts with Slick Tricks. No issues.
Any follow up to this? Looked like the Ethics didn’t quite fit, just wondering how the full install went and which you used. Was thinking Ethics but if I have to sand (weaken) the shaft I would become uninterested pretty quickly. Maybe Ethics HITs and IW collars?…
I use both on different set ups. I really like them
Have you noticed a difference in one versus the other?
What did you use to glue them in? I'm testing a few with Gorilla epoxy. I just got some ethics archery components. I'm running heavier broadheads so I went with the 80-100gr insert/sleeve. I was actually able to cut the insert down an extra 10gr so it's 70gr total.
Awesome stuff tim! Definitely the time to do some tink tink lol plus helps with the wait in the mean time till next September
You bet.. helps pass time.. our first season is Spring bear 🤘🤘
@@ElkShape oh yes for sure, im looking forward to spring bear also, just not quite the same as September for elk
I think Iron Will Broadheads and their components are very very good. In 2019 my set up was the Victory RIP Elite 350 with an Easton 50 grain brass insert and 125 grain Iron Will Solid. This worked very well, I shot a bear, elk, small buck and a doe. I bent two of the Iron Will broadheads one that went through the elk and one that went through the bear. In 2020 I went with the same arrow but changes my broadhead to the Valkyrie Blood Eagle 175 grain. I shot an elk, small buck and a doe with the same arrow and the same broadhead and it will be back in my quiver for the 2021 season. I purchased the Valkyrie aluminum collars along with the 180 grain Jagger broadheads just to test out and so far they are awesome. I don't think a person can go wrong with either the Iron Will or the Valkyrie system.
You guys should look at nexus bow hunting insert/outsert components and the ozcut hurricane broad heads. They are offset similar to a vane on an arrow to promote spin.
Very cool!
I like using the RF test kit because I can fine tune total insert and point weight to shoot bullet holes, then build the set of arrows to match that weight with my broadheads.
It would be cool to see how Iron Will, Ethics, and Valkyrie all compare on an elk sized front shoulder for arrow component and shaft durability and penetration.
my only issue with Valkyie is the broadhead weights, love them but my setup that I use for elk/ deer / turkeys (main use) needs a head at 100 grains
@@MattMSchmidt I think when you add up the weights of all the components you can get the different systems pretty close. You can get the Valkyrie Jagger broadhead and centerpin sleeve weight down to 182gr. If you add up a 100gr Iron Will broadhead, 25gr impact collar, and 75 gr insert, you're at 200gr up front. This year I think I'm going to compare an Easton Axis 4mm with Iron Will deep six components and 100 gr broadhead against the Valkyrie system with X-Impact arrows.
Gotta say I’m very curious to see how much the total arrow weighs at the end
I use iron will collars. I run the smaller than what my shaft calls for and sand a fine amount and have had no issues
Used iron will collars with their wides as well as solid 125s last year and they're awesome! Their broadheads are the strongest I've used and with the collar system not much if anything are stopping those arrows! Not saying I'm aiming for shoulders but this setup absolutely gives you a chance to crush through bone.
what was your arrow weight? i’m currently looking at mine being 505 grams with the IW S125 broadhead collar.
You guys have read my mind. I am looking to build some new arrows with ironwill heads, most likely the S125. As well as using their hit insert and collar or the ethics insert. I am intrigued by the ethics system, but I am not sure I want to add that much weight in. I shoot a rip TKO at 27.5, 430 gr. My goal is to get to 475 to 500 gr, but I still want to be around 280fps. Let me know how your set up is working and I’ll post back as I mess with mine. Black Eagle X-impact or Rampage may become my new arrow, but we’ll see. Good video, keep’em coming!
I put on Ethics adjustable outsert system with 185 grain inserts and 150 grain Iron will.
CE maxima red sd 350 shafts.
650 grain arrow after done with high FOC! Bone crusher!
Absolutely the best idea ever. Either of these products just have to be the most simple and reliable way to get a heavier protected arrow for higher FOC. Yes, these products are not cheap but look at the work required to make these to tolerances for different shafts. But, really how often does one loose an arrow? IMO, If you're taking ethical shots ( not 90+ yard hail mary) ??, you're going to pretty much know where the arrow went. 👍👍👀
Used both myself. Ethics are great for heavy heavy setups, took 215gr outserts in my Rampages to Africa. Worked flawlessly on kudu, gemsbok and the buff. However I am switching to Iron Will this year for 2 reason: 1) allows a bit lighter and still have a collar and 2) places the ferrules the broadhead inside the shaft. Just don't like the back of the broadhead almost 1" out. I plan to run rampage 300, 50gr HIT, 25 gr collar and 150GR iron wills.
I used the Iron Will outserts last year and had absolutely no issues. Was able to add a little weight and structural integrity.
I would say build 2-4 arrows with the ironwill insert/sleeve components. Then use the test pack tips to see what give you the best results. Then using the ethics inserts to build the best setup for you to achieve the same FOC weight. Look at ranch fairy (TH-cam) and the Ashby Bowhunting Foundation. Play with the weights now easier to cut weight later vs adding weight later.
With so much weight upfront one has to take a 1 or even 2 levels up stiffer spine arrow shaft?
I shoot the VAP TKO's. What is the RIP I.D. ?I'm not familiar with them. I know all the Ethics inserts I have used from Ethics & Valkyrie have been very high quality with incredible tolerances. I do like the 2 little rubber shock absorbers that fit into a groove @ the back of the Viking Centerpin system. The field points don't seem to rattle loose either so that's also a ➕. Thanks for tink, tink tinkering.
Do you need an impact collar/outsert or sleeve for big game?
It's not a need. But strengthens the tip.
I have the Iron will collars on my setup and like them! I have easton inserts in my 5mm 400 spine arrows and the collars made that metal to metal contact I like
Love the content fellas. You guys put in some work. I was wondering how the outserts hold up for shooting 3D targets vs how the glue in points hold up in the 4mm arrows? Thanks!
Just built some 600 grain missiles , ethic archery 100 grain insert , 200 grain tuff head evolution . It’s bullet proof . Some people will say the trajectory will be bad , however you’d be quite surprised how much faster a heavy arrow is down range in comparison to a light arrow . They just don’t lose energy as fast. 29.5 draw , Mathews vxr28!
im trying to get the same...200 tuff heads came in and hoping for 100 insert....im a 28.5 draw at 65 lbs....what is your draw weight and what arrow
@@racker7855 29/65 pse Mach 1 fast moss
Noah Barnes we are close then. 250 spine?
@@racker7855 I have 12 of each , 12 .300 Apollo and 12 .250 Orion , both fly great and bare shaft tuned , the bear I shot this spring was 34 yards through the heart with the Apollo build .
Test the speed and drop and accuracy at different distances out to 100 yards as well as some sort of durability test! That would be cool as well as really informative to the use of the components.
I really like the weight you got with the Iron Will setup...if could get that weight down to 100gr or even 75gr really with the Ethics that would be awesome. I like to run just about 75gr with a 125gr broadhead and find I still have some speed as well as plenty of penetration.
I use gorilla hot melt glue so you can swap the insets around if you want to tinker around. That glue is great
HeyTim...
I couldn’t find the video where you picked the fletching setup 10 months ago...
Oh. And BTW
Ethics archery Hoss is the man, I’m tinkering too...high FOC...great company with great knowledge...
I haven’t done much with ironwil...
I used a little hot melt glue to hold my Iron Will collars in place. Hope is that I might have a chance to reuse them if I break a shaft and am able to find the head side.
Iron Will has worked perfect for me so far
@@UrMom_says I'm currently using the Iron Will field points and they work great. I'm not going to say they necessarily tune any different that other field points (only ones I've used with the VXR) but they fit the collars perfect and they sure are easy to remove from a target.
When I tried the Ethics they didn't fit and required much sanding... From the looks of it, sleeve not fitting over your arrow out of the bag your going to have the same issue. And it wasn't a small amount of sanding it was a lot. Like I needed a drill. Hopefully their new sizing is better but it doesn't appear to be much better based on that attempt to slide it over. This ultimately was why I went and stayed with Iron Will -- Simplicity! Curious to see how this ends up working out for you!
You can also heat the collar to expand the metal pop em on and cool them. I use axis as well the issue is not ethics. The Easton arrows seem to have larger tolerances in the outter diameter
Also if you watch the ethics installation videos they use the drill
Anvil test!! 💪
Just got impact collars for rip xv’s and they are so far …. Impossible to put on the arrow
The only thing I don’t like about the iron Will set up is for how expensive they are once you break that arrow the inserts aren’t reusable. You’ll never get those inserts off.
What spine weight of the RIP-TKO are you using
I ask because when I built mine in October I used 250 and I still had to sand them
Says 27.5" 250 spine at 7:37
@@feyrband thank you missed that
Good stuff TC!
How bout' that audio RUEB??' - TC
I'm shooting 65# with Mathews VXR. Arrows are 30" Black Eagles 250 with 200 grain Ethics Archery SS inserts and 125 grain point. I'm shooting the Slick Trick Standards 125 grain broadhead. Total arrow weight of 650 grains. I refer to them as Thor's Hammer. Hit a whitetail in the joint at the base of the scapula which broke that joint in two pieces. Arrow continued hitting base of spine and then exited opposite side in front of shoulder (complete pass through). Heavy FOC and tuned arrows will shoot. I'm certain you have checked out Ranch Fairy, he is telling the truth on arrows. Can't wait to shoot an elk with this set-up.
I am super reluctant to shoot a heavy arrow myself. I am only a 26 inch draw and shoot only around 65-68 pounds. Anything more and I feel like I’m tearing my shoulder apart. I run a fairly light arrow to maintain some speed. My current arrow setup absolutely smacks right now though.
@Lane Willhite I still like keeping decent speeds because I’m going out west this year for mule deer. I don’t want to have a slow heavy arrow at 60+ yards and miss.
@Lane Willhite thank you!!
Only complaint I have is a few times I’ve ruined a few arrows because the collar won’t slide over the arrow snd gets stuck
gently sand the last inch of the arrow tip with sandpaper to ensure a better fit.
Curious to what spine will shoot best for you
Only way to test is on animals.
When you shoot high foc components with the iron will heads and an arrow weight above 650gn you will blow through animals.
Penetration from high momentum is the key, not speed, there is alot of literature out there already. I shoot victory Extortion with 130gn insert, shock collar and 100gn fixed blade, total weight 650gn. 260fps.. the penetration is insane. The beauty with large inserts is you can use 100gn heads which gives you the most choice of any broadhead weight which i like.
Wish the #Ethics had the same weight's as the #Ironwill because I just run 50 or 75 grain inserts and 125 gr broadheads. That seems to give me plenty of penetrating capabilities and keep some speed
Easton hot melt will bond them or the iron will hot melt no need to epoxy
If your shooting victory arrows why not shoot the vap? They make what i would say are good to very good components from stainless steel. The aluminum ones mehh not so much
A lot of people are still against micro diameter arrows. Not saying Tim is at all. I personally run the VAP TKO elites and love them. I have the 50gn AL outserts on right now but I’m getting a dozen bare shaft to build for my new bow setup this year. I’m definitely going to try some of the Iron will or the Ethics out on them.
The Ethics outsert sleeve are a little annoying. I had to sand down my Easton Axis for them to slide on. Also don’t shoot the Ethics components into a bag target. You’ll wrestle the bag to get your arrow out hahaha
That's pretty much the same with any collar. It catches the bag on the way out
@@caninphx yep, now those arrows are strictly for foam. Haha I look like a idiot fighting with the bag haha
I concur with everything I said on my other profile, which this is my main one @shadyp423
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Little dude bugs.