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- The Blood Star and the Briars of Sin are some of the most cryptic concepts found within Elden Ring's Lore. Exiled criminals discovered the power of this star along with red glintstone after having their eyes gouged out, and the true power of the briars may be more terrifying than you think. Similar thorns are also tied to Godwyn, Elemer, and even Queen Marika herself, so let's explore why the guilty have such deep ties with this concept in Elden Ring's story.
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the altered form of alberich's hat reveals bandages covering cover what seems like red glintstone on his head. it kinda looks like alberich is in the beginning process in becoming something like lusat or azur, only with red glintstone. so that's kind of interesting
Kinda makes me wish he’d use some sort of op unique blood spell like a blood beam or somethin lol
@@totalgarbage2053 black and bright red blood comet azur
@@totalgarbage2053 or literally any blood spells, instead of just frost spells
Duude I happened to notice this the other day very interesting
Damn that is so badass, I truly hope fromsoft actually adds enough briars of sin sorceries in future DLC so that you can play as a blood sorcerer which would be soooo AWESOME!!.. However with only two spells it's simply not possible and yet for some reason there's an armor set that specifically empowers such sorceries, man you can really tell Fromsoft absolutely butchered the game and cut out a ton of content so that they could put out the game as soon as possible.
My headcanon is that he blood star is the formless mother's version of the elden ring, if miquella eventually became the vessel of the formless mother we might get a chance to see it's powers in full display
Please God no more bleed shit I beg of FROMsoft. Can we just get like, a good lightning weapon or something?
@@biodudezerothree9236 Yeah, hell naw. Hopefully the DLC focuses on the Moon(Ranni), Sleep(Miquella) and Death(Godwyn).
I'm hopeful for more Gravity magic themes as well as I love Gravity magic (new weapons or skills for weapons or even magic).
@@Piratadoidao i hope we get prime radahn.
@@biodudezerothree9236 The only acceptable bleed content they can add is thorn sorceries, considering there’s only 2 in the base game…
@@KratosMessi48 You know St. Trina is Miquella, right?
I was surprised you didn't mention that Mohg's left eye is pierced by his own horn, similar to the crowns. Also his blood boon, "The mother of truth craves wounds. When Mohg stood before her, deep underground, his accursed blood erupted with fire, and besotted with the defilement that he was born into." Through Mohg, both the blood AND the fire are tied together, as Mohg's accursed blood "erupts with fire".
The thorns are interesting, because on the one hand they don't immediately connect to Mohg, but on the other hand, Varre - who is faithful to Mohg - uses a hammer that looks like roses. You also meet him at a Rose Church.
Also also, the crafting material Bloodroses ties roses (and thorns) to Mohg: "Blood-slick roses that bloom in festering blood. Particularly beloved by those who serve the Lord of Blood. Glory to his inevitable reign."
I think the sin of the thorn sorcerers was wielding the giants flame, which is heretical to the golden order. Their staves are lit with what seems like giantsflame, and so they were exiled.
I also think it’s kind of funny and sad that Godfrey commanded the crucible knights, likely the fire monks in the war against the giants, had two omen children, and led the tarnished, and now they are all reviled and exiled while Godfrey is worshipped by the golden order on the level of a god
I like this idea! The ironic thing about all of this is that Godfrey is revered… but after he has been cast out by Marika. In the chaos nobody seems to know or care that he is alive. Godfrey, like his tarnished, is discarded.
Perhaps Marika sent them away so that they can be beyond the reach of the Greater Will during her rebellion, but who knows?
All of those reasons you just gave are the REAL reasons Godfrey was hounded(chased) from the Land Between. All this stuff about "His last worthy enemy had fallen" is propaganda.
While a neat concept, you have to pay close attention to the color of the flames. Giantsflame has a very distinct pure red color, but the flame on the thorn sorcerer’s staves are not that pure red. They’re the traditional color of fire used by fire’s deadly sin, flame of the redmanes, fire grease, as well as the catch flame incantation.
The color of the fire matters!
Not to mention lots of his soldiers became Misbegotten.
I think the red is only from the spells that come from the Fell God directly. Two of the spells you mentioned, catch flame and fires deadly sin, are both fire monk incatations which draw power from flame if Ruin. The color of the flames is also the same as the ones we see coming from the forge of the giants and engulfing Melina when we burn the Erdtree, so I think that while the fire that lights the staves of the thorn sorcerers is not directly from the Fell God, it is drawn from the flame of ruin
Blood magic being heretical was a theme in Dark Souls too. Gael consuming the dark soul and mixing it with his blood basically creates a new kind of magic based in blood.
In the universe of Dark Souls we are told this is a bad thing. But much like other instances, perspective is important here.
The blood magic is "bad" in that it subverts the will of the gods or the natural order of things. It centers power around humanity, developed from humanity, rather than from the gods (faith) or the cosmos (sorcery).
In Elden Ring, I think we can look at the rune of death being unbound similarly to the dark soul. It is something which gives even lowly humans the power to challenge a god.
Where faith is presented as something coming from the gods, as in it is actively hostile to man. Sorcery is kind of aloof, uncaring. Useful but also liable to turn your brains into stones. The blood briars, so called briars of sin, being sorceries could mean that humanity in ER have used sorcery and their own blood to harness the power of death.
Although here even that seems to be subverted by yet another god or else this Blood Star.
Humanity really can't catch a break in these games.
Blood magic seems to have become a recurring theme after Bloodborne, where there was a dichotomy set up between Beast Blood (primal humanity) and Kin Blood (Cosmic gods).
Blood Magic wasn't a theme in DS at all as there is no blood magic in DS and No Gael consuming the Dark Soul doesn't create a new kind of Blood Magic nor is there any blood magic anywhere in DS1-3 you literally just made that up and its not an opinion its a fact that its not in the game. Gael creates the blood of the dark soul which is pigment for the painting and the painting can't be complete without it.
Completing the Painting is just a metaphor for creating new games instead of wasting away with Dark Souls and creating DS4,5,6, etc. Miyazaki is saying that they are creating a new world that will have the essence or heart or ahem blood of Dark Souls and all their new creations will have the DNA of the games that started it all. its a metaphor but so on the nose I can't see how anyone would miss it.
Gael doesn't even mix anything at all he is just collecting pieces of the dark soul until he went mad and started eating people for it. After you injure him he bleeds out and then goes into a phase transition, he even says "Ahh is this the blood, the blood of the dark soul?" as a question because he doesn't even know, if he knew he had mixed it he wouldn't be saying this. He was collecting shards of the dark soul until he went mad and started eating people. This is why he led you to him and showed you the painted world of Ariamis in the first place and helped you along the way b/c he knew collecting the Dark Soul would break him so you're meant to kill him and finish the painting.
None of his moves are blood magic they are Soul based in phase 3 from all the souls he collected since literal day one as he is a slave knight who fought in the wars against the ancient dragons and all the shards of the people of the dark soul. This is confirmed on wiki and or the strat guide books
@@SM-nz9ff Didn't they teach you about run-on sentences in school son?
@@SM-nz9ff "Gael creates the blood of the dark soul"
Sounds like blood magic to me. I don't recall the dark soul being associated with blood at any other point.
Then he starts attacking you with spooky blood skulls.
I dunno man, just because something isn't explicitly spelled out for you in an item description doesn't mean it's not in the game. This is literature 101 stuff.
@@rainbowkrampus You said blood magic was a theme in dark souls, it isn't. Nor have you shown this theme at all.
He doesn't attack you with blood skulls those are souls and its a soul attack, no need for an item description when its from the devs themselves.
"The blood of the dark soul" is a metaphor this is lit 101 stuff. Might be a good time to check out vaati and other prominent lore creators.
Even after putting 200 hours into the game, I’m still learning new information about the gods and the world of elden ring. Great video, can’t wait for the next one.
200 hours is like a moderate grasp on a fromsoft ware game
So mind-blowing
same i just encroached 200 hours and i learn new things every day
200!? Hours?! Lawl. Getgudkid . I got 10thousand hours.
To be honest, i definetly think that a connection to the formless mother of truth is likely. Mohg is literally called the lord of blood, and having two blood related factions with two blood related deities in a single game seems weird, especially if one of them is given so much attention and the other little to none. Another thing is that the Mohgwyn trident used by the lord of blood appears similar to the gigantic thorn objects in the mountaintops of the giants.
The connection of the guilty sorcerers with factions related to to fire would also be explained through this, as the formless mother is also tied to fire, being the origin of bloodflame.
My biggest indication however is the fact that it is specifically stated that the mother of truth craves wound, which feeds into the whole punishment shtick of the guilty sorcerers.
The strange thing to me is that the Thorn sorcery does not use any sigil like the Mohg's Blood sigil. It looks like they forgot to add a sigil lol
@@Piratadoidao To me, aberrant sorcery seems like the primal (red) glintstone version of the more refined spells and abilities we see from Mogh's knowledge of and connection with the Formless Mother (as evidenced by the fact that Mogh's incantations and staff do not harm the wielder). His dynasty may be a farce, destined never to come, but his goddess and his faith are unfortunately true.
I agree it's wired, but then why isn't albert a bloody finger? All the tarnished who serve mohge are appart of his bloody fingers faction.
@@SIRslipperyasp91 Alberich is a scholar. If he learned of blood sorcery on his own, the formless mother wouldn't punish him for it, and he would never have to join Mohg
While having multiple blood related gods/factions would be weird it's not like we dont have 2 gods dedicated to fire, plus all the other types of fire related to non-fire gods.
Something interesting I feel when conjoined gives us an idea of a fact of the setting.
Haligtree Knight’s Armor says that Miquella watered the sapling of the haligtree with his own blood.
The thorn-sorcerers similarly know their blood causes growths of briars.
The great tree is nourished by the bodies of the dead.
It all leads to the idea that trees in Elden ring, at least the major ones, thrive off of blood.
that makes sense, as we can see the roots of the Erdtree in boss rooms of crypts or catacombs, and there they usually have attached sacks full of dead bodies.
@@rasputin2750 *Those are roots of the great tree. Source is root resin.
“… for this reason catacombs are built around Greattree roots.”
Well they are inspired by things like Yggdrasil the tree of life. And what seems to keep life going is always blood in more ways than one.
@@Exisist5151 The Great tree is the Erdtree. That lore is slightly mistranslated.
@@michaelhenry3234 “The roots of the Greattree were once linked to those of the Erdtree, or so they say, and it is for this reason catacombs are built around Greattree roots.” At least in English this is a clear distinction between the two what’s the correct translation supposed to be and who is the source for the translation?
The fact that the thorn sorcerers worship a star, use Glintstone, and are sorcerers leads me to believe that they were once astrologers. In that case, it may be their sin was betraying the Giant's, who were their neighbors.
Yeah they are probably those briar of sins dudes
It's mentioned in an item description that astrologers came from the Mountaintops of the Giants originally as well.
Interesting observation, in the beta thorn sorceries had a casting sigil that was identical to the sigil of giants flame incantations. Maybe originally thorns had some ties to the flame of ruin and the first cardinal sin. I really hope that we will get more thorn spells, they look absolutely amazing and it’s a big shame that there are only 2 spells
Also they are pretty mediocre. Blood flame is somewhat better.
@@blacksunserpent well to be honest thorn spells are terrible 😔
@@sergeytimokhin8672 If briars of sin was faster at least it'd work as a good "get off me" move, but briars of punishment is just bad all around. Sin had a short period of use as a chain cast off of carian slicer but now you can only do that off of a jump cast of slicer.
Good video, personally I think the blood star is likely it's own unique entity from the formless mother.
For one thing the fact that it is seen in a physical form of any sort as a defined "star" goes against all established lore of how mohgs patron is formless. I would imagine the blood star looking similar to what we see from Astel, though made of red glintstone instead of regular blue/green.
Second the formless mother in all abilities associated shows people physically tearing into the realm she exists in, poking or grabbing to fling the blood onto people. The fact that the blood thorn abilities don't, instead relying on the casters own blood seems to imply a different kind of being.
My guess is that the briars of sins were once blood magics that were discovered or utilised by the Golden Order itself due to the idea of what the thorns represent. The idea of harming oneself in service of the Order as penitence wouldn't seem like something the Order would ban since it helps to enforce control and loyalty of the Order's ideals over them. These magics were then found to be effective against enemies since the users didn't need to be physically strong to cast them, being used in no holds barred wars. However, these magics were then shunned after the wars were over. Either because they outlived their usefulness or because the Order realised that the usage of blood magic could easily lead one to discover other influences such as the Formless Mother. Thats just my initial speculation from watching the video.
I personally had not tied the giant's bodies to the thorns of the guilty (i saw them as deathblighted originally, which confused me as destined death did not cause deathblight and that's what i assumed would have been used against the giants) but this is a very interesting take and it's *almost* swayed me. I do still stand by the possibility of the thorns and the blood star being connected to the formless mother personally. Trends of blindness between mohg's eye being pierced by a horn and him seeing the formless mother and also blood being used as power by those who are persecuted and thought of as guilty, just still makes a little too much sense.
Most of all I love how many ideas this game can fuel, all of which have merit to them. Great video
Also, the formless mother craves wounds and thorn sorceries are the only spells that directly hurt the caster when casting (except night mist and frenzy spells, but those hurt you via other means methinks).
Also noting the red spear-ish thing in Marika's side comes from the spear thrown into Jesus's side while he was on the cross. Religious artwork mirrors that placement almost perfectly. (I also paid attention in Sunday School.)
One theory is perhaps the blood star is the "child" of the formless mother. The fact that it is called "mother" to me is telling. It could be that Mohg named her/it as a surrogate to marika who abandoned him. But I think the formless mother is literally a formless outer god that gave birth to "something". Thinking of it this way we could also tie in the biblical theme of thorns, as god is represented as the father, the son and the holy spirit. In the same way that Jesus and God are aspects of one another and yet separate entities. The blood star is an aspect of the formless mother. A child created through immaculate conception. The briars representing roses that have yet to bloom
Were mohg and morgot radagons kids?
@@michaelwerkov3438 Their dad was Godfrey. Him and Marika had Mohg, Morgott and Godwyn. Then afterwards Marika and Radagon had Miquella and Malenia. Radaogon already had Ranni, Rykard and Radahn
Clever insight.
I mean it's kind of an inversion of how the holy spirit impregnated the virgin Mary.
@@UltraStarWarsFanatic didn't think of it like that at first but you're not wrong. The Bible tie in was a bit of a reach on my part, more so than the rest.
I feel like people could make a video titled "Who is Jim the Bathroom Cleaner? | Elden Ring Lore" and I'd watch it
I think the blood star is like the formless mother's version of the elden beast, but perhaps is yet to send it into the lands between
A take that I like is that it is the origin of the red glinstone, like how stars are the origin of glinstone.
Thank you for that monster house reference, it truly never gets old and it was especially well-articilated with putting the blindfold on the guy, very nice
I think, and give it consideration, that the religious and spiritual references of Elden Ring have an element of Abrahamic material, but it is in the details like the Blood Star, that you get an idea that "Oh wait, behind the crown of thorns and the jesus stuff, this is actually more horrifying than we were led on to believe." And the characteristics of the more Pagan beliefs come to the fore. For one thing, each Demigod, Empyrian amongst them and Shardbearers too (and then us Tarnished of course ;) ) embody a certain Archetypal expression of life.
Malenia being a rivalled replacement to Marika herself, the daughter overcoming the mother, but she gets targeted by the Rot, which was a god from what came before. A very corrosive, nasty thing, despite the fact that Malenia's Iconography and design is not just a Ghibli reference, but a nod to the old imaginings of Irish Mythology with her winged helm. (how a certain artist did up Lugh, actually) Her Prosthetic arm is also something from Nuada, though he was very different in character.
The Fire Giants and their descendants who rejected that fire in them, the Trolls, also speak to a race that came before, and their God was one of destruction, but also Blacksmithing. (Hooray for Blacksmithing). That grand flame that was being tended to, looks proportionally like a chalice, of something much, much, MUCH bigger than the Lands Between, and the corpses of Titans in some places suggests the intelligent design of the Lands Between.
Shabriri, worth their salt, is the name of a Jewish Demon, but what's going on between it and the Three Fingers, besides Maria herself, is the largest expression of the worst of Abrahamic thinking. "Burn everything and make it all one again" isn't a very enticing idea except for nihilists.
This Blood Star shares the distance aspect, of the esoteric and unknowable expression of the Christian God, but there the similarities end, and what we have much like Mohg and his dread Formless Mother is something that is more akin to an eldritch madness. Lovecraftian Horror itself being an expression of not just the concept of Deep Time, but the individual madness that comes from a secular mind being confronted by the forgotten (Pagan) gods and how they have much more dominion over reality than us.
Radahn is literally a reference to Ruadháin, son of Bres who died in the 2nd Battle of Magh Tuireadh, of Irish Mythology. A war his Father started.
Godfrey, is nothing like an Abrahamic figure however. And with him we see a heroic ferocity of the masculine, the apex masculine. Around him and later expressed again through the likes of Miquella and the Albinaurics, Godfrey stood alongside the Crucible, and they, this amalgamation of all expressions of life before it began to split and differ (Heilung, the Germanic Pagan band refer to this ancient spirit in their work) yes that Primordial Crucible, bow and serve Godfrey. As he respected them in turn.
Ranni, well, Ranni embodies everything about the Heretic, with expression of course towards the vaster intellectual understandings of the Cosmos itself, it is no mistake that she and all of sorcery is statted for people to be brainboxes. (Oh yes, and Raya Lucaria's scholars is all about the hubris and arrogance of academia!) She puts her understandings to use and moves for true independence and individualism, she's the anthisesis of any Abrahamic philosophy, even if it makes her so cold. There is no great love for mother and father in her. It is not quite an atheism that comes with her, but rather an appreciation for the differing pluralities of spiritual thought, with one taking primacy in her own mind. That's Pagan if nothing else. Goldmask by comparison.... XD Perhaps Hermeticism?
So yeah, that's a few ideas off the top of my head.
I gotta say, I really like this video. First, I appreciate the funny bits. Second, and more importantly, I like that this video isn't necessarily a lore theory and is more of a presentation of lore that you believe to be connected. I'm glad there isn't really an assertion made as, I believe, we're missing pieces of the story of the blood star and the formless mother.
You make a fantastic point regarding vision in this video, and it reminds me that the two most common recurring themes in this game are eyes, and fire. There's ghostflame, frenzyflame, standard fire, sleepflame, bloodflame, blackflame, giantsflame, dragonfire, Placidusax's Ruin, AND magma. on top of that there's at least 4 factions I can think of with a different link to blindness, and three different ways your eyes can be modified from in-game effects.
I've been so puzzled by the fire monks, as well as the impaled giants. Throughout my entire playthrough and binge watching of lore videos I've never heard of the Blood Star. Very interesting points!
Can't wait to come back here in a year when you're a massive channel. Love your vids!
I just hope there's more spells for them sometime later. 2 is horribly low
great video on a part of the lore i was both fuzzy about and curious, your quick comedic edits hit the spot too!
Damn V-Limit. You always surpass my expectations. I truly love your style of background video, item descriptions and different images and logos of the game, along with your relaxing and thorough description of the main theme: The Blood Star. Please keep them coming, I love it.
This NPC's questline is pretty dark and sad, but 3:15 moment made me spit tea with my nose.
Very interesting theory! And I also like the quality of the editing, good job!
Honestly, we really need more aberrant sorceries. The two we have are woefully few and lacking in substance. I wanna be able to shoot thorn missiles at foes in battle.
I personally agree that the Blood Star and the Formless Mother are two separate beings. While both inflict blood loss their themes are very different. The Formless Mother craves wounds and blesses accursed blood with Bloodflame, while the Bloodstar seems to be only associated with the guilty and thorns. Likely the Bloodstar is young and hasn't fully formed into a greater power in the world, or could be related to Astel in that it isn't exactly a deity but still an incredibly strong force to be reckoned with.
Close to 400 hours, multiple characters, all endings.... and I never knew you could fucking jump down in the roundtable hold. Mind. Blown.
On top of just being a great lore video the editing made me laugh lol. Nice work
It's my first video of your's and I'm already captured by that really soothing voice rivalling Vaathi. Have my like, subscribe and me surely watching more of your creations!
Really interesting video if a topic I've not seen mentioned anywhere else.
its strange how each status affect can be traced back to an outer god/demigod
poison/scarlet rot- malenia and the rot god
sleep- miquella
frostbite- ranni/deathbirds(?)
death- godwyn
madness- the three fingers
bleed- mohg/formless mother/blood star
Frostbite could potentially be the moon as it's obviously related to Ranni and may be an outer god, though there is no concrete evidence of it having any sentience, much less an interest in conquest and control like the other outer gods seem to have. Ranni's ending seems to be focused on freeing the world from the outer gods' influence, not giving over control to a different one, so it's hard to truly determine the moon's significance.
Also I really, REALLY hope we get dlc to do with Miquella and the realm of sleep. Perhaps there could be an outer god connected to sleep as well, but From just haven't explored it yet
I genuinely love the jokes you add in to these, the monster house thing made me laugh a lot keep up the great work man
Wow, amazing catches. Stuff I never noticed! It makes a lot of sense to me that those northern thorn exiles were the ones who killed those giants, by compulsion or otherwise. Especially given the wooden stakes and the war happening prior to Godwyn's undead transformation.
I personally don't think that the Blood Star is an actual star. Something very common with casting in Elden Ring is that casters are generally channeling the power of something else when they cast spells or incantarions. For example, glintsrone sorcerers channel the vitality of the stars. We learn this pretty early on by Sellen, and we later learn through her and both Azure and Lusat, that glintstone itself begins to manifest within the caster as they familiarize themselves with casting, becoming something like a catalyst for the power of their magic to manifest through.
If we look at how the various schools of magic for both faith and int all carry forth with this very principle at the center of what they do, then I think that it's important that we address the elephant in the room. Magic doesn't just come from bowhere in Elden Ring, and in many cases it is related to channeling of stealing vitality or power. With that being the case, and with the ability for one to channel the vitality of a being to use its power as magic, then we have to address that the most likely form that this "Blood Star" ttakes, is one of pure vitality.
Where the astrologers who became glintstine sorcerers studied the stars and became able to channel their vitality once they understood them, thorn sorcerers have no such luxury. That is to say that those who cast these thorny spells are blind, and can not see. This is a very important theme for their people, and how it relates to glintstone sorcery.
Up high in the mountains, banished from the rest of the world, surrounded by nothing but snow and gigantic corpses, they'd really only have two places to look, from up there... outward, and inward. Those who studied the stars found their calling in the heavens, but those who practice this heretical sorcery, I think, looked inward. A big theme for them is sin, after all, and being blind, they have nowhere else to look. I think that with enough looking inward, however, they began to understand something. To cast glintstine sorcery, you effectively take vitality from a star and make it your power to wield, as we've already covered, but why not use yourself as a source of vitality? These heretical practitioners likely came to ask that very question, and came to realize that like all magics, all you needed was a catalyst to channel the source of your spell, and whst better catalyst than yourself? After all, you'll never be without blood, and you'd hardly need a specialized weapon to cast, if you even needed one at all.
These blood sorcerers channel the Blood Star for their power, but really, a bunch of blind exiles are unlikely to be making discoveries related to deep space and understanding the movements of lights in the sky... their Blood Star is just a metaphor. Like the sorcerers of the academy channel glintstine, and clerics channel the powers of their deities, heretical blood sorcerers channel themselves and their own vitality. The truth of the Blood Star, nd why it is so reviled by the academy, is thst it is the power within rsther than the powers without. No need for them to pray as part of an order to worship a grester being, or to be of the greatest scholars who watch over the stars... they have their vitality, their Blood Star, and through the understanding they possess, they can cast freely.
It’s strange that the Mother of Blood bestows power to “accursed” omen blood, when omen are actually
A) a result of the crucible not the mother of blood
B) used to be considered a boon/blessing
I’m curious how she interacts with a creature so heavily intertwined with a previous deity, so seamlessly?
Wondering if the mother of blood, the crucible, the golden order, and the frenzied flame aren’t all different aspects of one fragmented god?
Also it's it's heavily alluded to that the primordial crucible is just an earlier iteration of the elden ring. Things associated with godfrey just seem to get vilified overtime.
@@SIRslipperyasp91 yeah, exactly.
Same with the frenzied flame, to a lesser degree.
Even the frenzied 3 fingers… add the order’s 2 fingers and you get a whole hand.
Plus, the frenzied flame melting everything to come together as one sounds a lot like the crucible and how primordial life was formed.
Almost like the crucible is actually the frenzied flame and golden order combined, but the frenzied flame and crucible are, like you said “vilified”.
Weird shit for sure, thanks for your contribution!
@@The.Nasty. If you're familiar with the youtuber Ratatoskr you'll know he kinda rage quite elden ring lore because it's just not fitting together. The base game lore in Demon souls, bloodborne, sekiro, and even the original Darksouls wasn't as obtuse as this. I tend to agree, and think GRRM's additions to the story has allowed Miyazaki to shake things up in a way he couldn't do as the soul creative force of prior games.
As someone whose read GRRM's books, something that he loves to do that I think the community hasn't realized yet is that GRRM loves to included little world building details that bare no significance on the greater plot. That's what i'm leaning towards with the Blood Star, it's just another Outer God, because they're many Outer Gods, each with their own agendas and plans for the lands between and the greater world of Elden Ring.
@@SIRslipperyasp91 yeah, I know of him! I don’t think I’m subbed, but I’ll go see what conclusions he was coming to…
And yeah, I’m reading through ASOIAF series now. George loves his world building. You may be on to something there.
I cant stop finding new things about this game . I love it Good work
Okay, I love that edited scene from Monster House, with Hyetta gobbling the Shabriri Grapes.
"Babe wake up, new V-Limit video"
3:01 I think Mohg missing one of his eyes is a pretty interesting connection. He even mentions that he can still see his dynasty "As clear as day".
Great vid man
The idea of the discovery and death of Gods is a unique one in Elden Ring, though the Blood Star is my favorite iteration of this idea. Even in death, many gods still have a tangible effect on the world in some way.
The Rot God was a seperate entity from Malenia, however it was killed by the Blind Swordsman with the Flowing Curved Sword, and sealed away deep underground. Though dead, it has enough influence to attract worshippers and nudge Malenia on her path of transforming into the Rot Goddess.
The Flame of Frenzy and the Three Fingers were discovered by the Great Caravan after they were driven to desperation, after their unjust imprisonment under the Capital. Though few in number, worshippers can easily kill the Tarnished, and Shabriri seems to be able to live beyond death in madness, possessing bodies in a manner similar to Sellen.
What makes the Blood Star so intriguing is how it's found, by those blinded by thorns, searching in the darkness. It makes it sound like the Blood Star was always around, just waiting to be found. In fact, it shares so many similarities through thorns with other Gods that it should be closer looked at.
Think about it, the black thorns erupting when afflicted with Destined Death (which itself is connected with the Deathbirds and the Godskin and their Black Flame), the thorns covering the Bell-Bearing Hunter, a practicioner of the Eochaid art of telekenetic sword "dances" (though this just may be a unique power of Eochaid and not of a God's will), thorns that surround the dead giants and are used in the company of Fire Monks and Prelates, and finally the thorns of the Erdtree tht block the way to Marika (as stated in this video.)
In my headcannon, this "Blood Star" could be a unifying entity among all these gods, branching among them and linking together, like a Ring in some way. I suggest the Blood Star being the main entity because the sorceries directly attached to it are the only magic/incantations the game that directly use thorns in their moveset. In this way, they seem more "pure" in a sense.
I could be 100% wrong, but it's a neat idea to think about.
it taking the form of glintstone is really interesting to me. Imo glintsone is the physical manifestation of souls and to exist as glintstone is to ascend into the very cosmos itself (the life and soul of the universe). So to create red glintstone through sacrifice implies to me that we are trapping the souls of victims like elder scrolls soul gems. perhaps the blood star is an ethereal being that for whatever reason seeks to consume the cosmos itself? and through creating red glintstone we are feeding it in return for blood sorceries
Super cool video!
Great video, interesting ideas :D
Seeing the Blood Star in blindness reminds me of how Hyetta sees the light of the Erd Tree in blindness. Albreich's hat does have a blindfold too.
The only place in the entire mountain top of giants that you can find any blood roses are right next to the Fire Monks and the Flame Prelate.
When I first got to the area where all the Giants were impaled, I immediately thought of the death blight curse. Just as a tactical move, it would make sense to use death blight since it kills you instantly once it's built up. That would be very useful for something with extreme amounts of HP, like a giant.
The Vyke drip gives you my respect.
7:14 the item description says that the Elden beast was inside the star not the star itself
Hey v limit good video brother about to play some elden ring. Good timing 👏
Edit: always was curious about the blood thorn spell. I figured they came from the formless mother and Mohg but it didn't quite add up
Da king is back baby he neva miss
I can see it now:
Elden Ring: Briar of the First Sin
Never seen anything about this “blood star” in my game play so this vid was interesting for me
Great video!
On another note, do you think it's worth looking into what's happening with the sea? There seem to be ships and boats drawn on the map, but we never see any boats (except the Mariners), ports, harbors, lighthouses etc.
I haven't thought much about that, but it's probably worth looking into. I know Roderika's group "crossed the sea" to be grafted, and there's definitely a lot of sea imagery, so maybe there's something more hidden there
There are 3 ship wrecks that I know of... one seen from the beach of Radahn's arena, one seen from the beach near Mistwood, and the other from the southernmost beach of the Weeping Penninsula where you find an army of rotting corpses just casually walking around.
I think I already gave you the idea, but I had the thought the blood star could refer to a total lunar eclipse, where the moon turns red. The way they see it could be inside the mind, like Irina sees a faint light, the thorn sorcerers maybe saw/see a red star in their minds. I don't think its the formless mother, I think its a separate entity.
We are born of the blood,
Made men by the blood,
Undone by the blood.
Fear the old blood
The Tree really made everyone beat each other up to become weak
Don't forget the guilty hood, and shield of the guilty, which both also have thorn motifs.
And now imagine there were actually different schools around these 'aberrant' sorceries... and not just two spells. Biggest misk´tkae for magic (my thoughts at least) was shuffeling the school with seemingly differing resources used for building them out.
The briars of sin are also described with the Shield of the Guilty.
“Shield made to venerate a maiden whose eyes were crushed by Briars of Sin before being reborn in these lands.
Venerating the repose of the soul, this shield boosts focus. The briars can be used to attack foes.”
To me, the big thorn trees look like Bloodletter from Bloodborne, as well as having Mogh's trident top.
Theres one more item talking about the briars of sin, its the secret gold smallshield depicting a face that deals bleed damage. It should be by the demihuman queen near castle mourne
I do love all the effort and research into biblical lore that this game did. I always think its funny when japanese stories try to take inspiration from Abrahamic lore but don't _quittteeee_ get it, because they didn't grow up around it. It doesn't bother me when they get stuff wrong, but it is impressive when they can write a story with deeper religious references than I bet the average Christian even knows.
I'd love a vid about the Falling Star Beast and its jaw.
I like the idea of the thorns used by the ancestors of the fire guardians during the giant war and that the blood star being a deity.
But i don't think it is the formless mother (no true link) , it is like the moon and the star : it's both magic but from different influence. Elden ring has just too much gods and cosmic lore that is briefly spoke in 3 obscure lines so I just go by binding one god with one concept because if not we'll end up by saying that all gods are the same person.
My take is the greater will is not a single god but a pantheon. With the one who is obsessed with order and being golden being the current leader. Thus why the other outer gods seem interested in what is happening. They are vying to take over the leadership role just like the tarnished and demi gods look to become elden lord. A lot of things make sense if you see the outer gods as fighting over the top spot just like everyone else.
Those thorn things look eerily similar to the trident emblem of the Mohgwyn dynasty that all the bloody fingers have tattoos of. It has three big points, two small points in-between the big ones, and what looks like a sword's cross guard as if the middle point is a hilt. It's not exact, but it's pretty fuckin close.
I've noticed a lot of similarities between Elden Ring lore and design and the aesthetic of the 2017 game Blasphemous. The briars of sin and mentioning of "Penance" and "Penitence" reinforces the theory that Fromsoft took some inspiration from Blasphemous, which ironically took inspiration from the dark souls games.
The Golden Order is all about winning wars by any means possible, then abandoning their allies when no longer needed. Even Godfrey, consort to the goddess herself, was cast out when he was no longer needed in the Capital
Some thought the thorns on the giants corpses was death blight but I thought it makes more sense that they were briar sorcery as the fire giant is weak to blood which is what these sorceries do and that the guilty I assume are part of the fire monks who were the ones that helped defeat the giants and protect the giants forge
I thought the fibrous material impaling the giants seem more like tree missiles than thorns. They are tapered towards the bottom, have a huge knot and branches at the top that also has a clear hilt at the top, and nearly all of the giants seem struck down by them, rather than lifted up or propped up, such as the player when infected with deathblight. They also have a decorative curve, notably the same curve as the crucifixions, just smaller and tighter, and look more like knurled wood than thorns. They also look like an exact match to the crucible tree helm and Siluria's Tree.
Because of all that, seems to have impaled from above, looks like crucible form of the Erdtree, is a conical missile with a hilt and branches at the top, has decorative elements, it seems most reasonable to me that these were rained down upon the Fire Giants, and once they impact, they would grow and incapacitate the giants. Also fits because the Erdtree was very warlike early on, having to fight all neighbors, and Melina, Marika's child, acts as a sort of magical grace and tree summoning sorcerer, it would makes sense that Marika, the god of the age of the Erdtree, had some powers relating to trees herself.
This whole theory is very interesting but i do have something to add in regards to the concept of tying an Outer God to a named star. This is a very, VERY newborn idea but if FromSoft did mean to do that then that really changed the meaning of Radahn's power holding back the will of the stars
The fact you can't get these guys's headset is a crime!
great video. one thing that a lot of youtubers don't mention is that Jesus in a Cross is show to everyone to represent that HE DIED FOR OUR SINS - there is a purpose, so Marika crosses everywhere represents what? it can not be just the punishment that she received after or because of the shattering, it wouldn't make any sense if we compare to Jesus. There is something more there. I mean, in order for the crucifixion from Marika to have relevance there has to be some history there, there has to be more that is been represented - (did she shatter the ring for our sake) and that is why we reverence her?....IMO.
Good video. 👍
excellent video! im surprised you dont have more subs. anyway, heres +1
Interesting take on the Fire Monks. I thought they were guardians of the Flame of Ruin because they worshipped the Fire Giant or Flame of Ruin, which is also why they were considered heretics. But the assignment by Marika is a cool alternate idea.
They did a better job at paying attention in sunday school than most realize I think, Godfrey has some smelly smells of king David im starting to suspect.
Moghs eye is pierced by his own horn, hence his seeing the blood star,same as the guys who gouge out their eyes with thorns
I was JUST revisiting Limgrave at night and remembered the screaming crucified sinners, only to see this had come out just 5 hours ago
Wow, I never actually realised the biblical implications, even though they are pretty obvious. Very good Video
I always wondered my those thorn dudes hung out with fire monks
I feel Moghwyn and the Blood Star followers are two different sects of the same outer god.
To me, the Blood Star always came off as a sort of dim, crimson star in a sea of darkness. There are two types of red stars, Red Giants, and red dwarf stars. I think that the Blood Star is a red dwarf, as red dwarves are the dimmest and least hot stars. I just don't see the massive, raging inferno of a red giant working well in a void of darkness. The picture makes much more sense with a dim, lonely red dwarf
Good video.
I wish a PSA would go out to all loretubers that would let them know that using soundtracks from from's games is one of the best ways to make it hard for their viewers - people that have played these games for hundreds of hours - to follow what their saying without being distracted by the music
wait your vocie sound similiar like vaatidya?
In conclusion, a blood glinstone is literally a philosopher stone
i think that the formless mother is the blood star, as a great gaping wound that gouts blood into our reality is how the formless mother appears to us in the fight against mohg
good video :)
But why attack dog😞
As much as I love the idea of two unrelated cultures (the Mogwyn Dynasty and the “Guilty”) discovering the same outer god completely removed from one another, I think the fact that briar spells are sorceries, not incantations leads one to a conclusion that the Blood Star is more akin to a “natural” phenomena than an outer god like Mogh’s Formless Mother. Someone else pointed out that Alberich’s altered hat reveals he began to sprout red glint stone out of his head, much like Lusat and Azur. How did these two begin that process? By discovering the origin of glintstone sorcery: The Primeval Current.
One conceivable contradiction to this, as you pointed out, is the fact that in their best form of execution, briar sorceries utilise Faith instead of Intellect. However, I think a fun revelation could be pronounced if we follow the theory that the Blood Star is a phenomena like the Primeval Current: where the Primeval Current is the naturally exuberant, latent energy created by the stars within Elden Ring’s cosmology, the Blood Star originates within *living beings*. Indeed, I think the fact that the catalyst for briar spells is the physical essence of a living being only drives this home. And the fact that red glintstone is the physical manifestation of the Blood Star’s influence only adds to this. There’s a myriad of religious mirroring across ER and I wouldn’t put it past the story designers to make a Yin-Yang parallel, especially in relation to Elden Ring’s more esoteric “sci-fi” content i.e. Astel, the Falling Star Beasts, and Alabaster Lords.
Their is a wooden shield in the game with red Thorn painted on it.
It is said that it got nothing special except a high resistance against fire .
I mean the fact that the bloody mothers blood ignites could be connected to the fire monks seeing it as a star, but her main lore weapon don't really have thorns.
we need to see more of miquella and the blood star in the DLCs...more Thorn related magics
Godwyn definitely has nothing to do with the thorns in the mountain tops, or probably with the blood star either. Godwyn's transformation into the Prince of Death and the spread of deathroot and Those Who Live in Death is a relatively recent phenomenon, as Godwyn's death triggered the Shattering, whereas the war with the fire giants happened while Godfrey was still Elden Lord, which means that Godwyn would have still been the Golden Prince, the champion who defeated the Ancient Dragons while also befriending one. The thorns associated with guilt we see throughout the game are much more likely to be tied into the Blood Star in some way. Elemer is referred to as Elemner of the Briar, and has a Briar shield; one of the blood star spells is briars of sin. Given the association between sin/guilt and the Briar motif associated with these concepts (each character/item associated with guilt has briars woven into the design, whether as a crown of thorns, a necklace around the neck of the crucified, the spells of the blood star wizards, or in the case of Elemer, who has evidently fully embraced the concept and made it his identity
I mean if anything poison, sleep, frostbite and blood loss sound the most mundane and ordinary...heck even madness and rot can be explained to some extent.
Shield of the Guilty:
“Shield made to venerate a maiden whose eyes were crushed by Briars of Sin before being reborn in these lands.
Venerating the repose of the soul, this shield boosts focus.”