Elden Ring Lore: All Outer Gods Explained | What is the Greater Will? The Frenzied Flame? And More
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- The Outer Gods of Elden Ring, mysterious beings that work behind the scenes of the Lands Between. In this video, I explain everything we know about this ominous group!
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TIMESTAMPS:
Intro: 0:00
Greater Will: 0:54
The Frenzied Flame: 3:49
The Formless Mother: 7:27
God of Scarlet Rot: 8:57
God of the Deathbirds: 11:35
The Fell God: 12:20
The God of the Dragons: 14:10
The "Moon": 15:06
Are the Outer Gods good?: 17:35
Final Dragon Note: 18:38 - เกม
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The moon is absolutely worshipped. There are Cresent moon symbols all over the game as well as the fact that those who oppose the golden order of the greater will of the sun, wear the metallurgical equivalent of the moon which is silver. Also there is a literal temple devoted to the moon in the game.
What connections does the Greater Will have to the sun?
@@brad5204 one example is iji wearing what is essentially a tin-foil hat, a collection of mirrors on his head to block out the sun's rays. which he believes to be capable of controlling and reading his mind.
Unfortunately the stories so pitiful that both these comments won't be answered because there is no released answer. Don't fight guyths
Not being an active player in the game of gods does not mean not existing.
As the Rot slowly spread, you can see how most of Liurna of the Lake and specifically the Moonlight plateau is under the Moon's dominion. You can see the light illuminating the plateau in a bluish hue being from the Moon, and that the light beams that fall from the sky all around the plateau confirms it's dominion, as the ethereal flags all around Leyndel establish the Greater Will influence.
Rennala's Moon and Ranni's Dark Moon might be two side of the same deity, as the observable and the dark side of the moon.
@@SH19922x i just answered the question, i just found the description for the "nox mirrorhelm" that directly addresses this too.
There’s actually one more god vaguely mentioned in game that you didn’t cover. In the descriptions of the crystalians, it mentions them waiting for their god to return to carve more of their kind out of crystal. Not much to go on, but maybe it’ll be expanded on in DLC
True and right before you fight astel of the void you can see some of them worshipping something
The trolls greathammer also says that mining was once considered holy, which explains why it has a faith scaling. So there was definitely a mining/crystal god
Oh interesting, do you know what item or where the description is?
@@HappyFT2 do you mean the pests in the Grand Cloister? They worship the God of Rot.
@@MadLuigi I think it’s the crystal sword that mentions it
Some extra thoughts
Formless Mother: It might be assumed that she is connected to the Omen, as Mogh's "accursed blood" is reference to his existance as an Omen. If this is true, she might also be connected to The Dung Eater. The Dung Eater, after all, emulates the Omen with his armor, wants to instill a bloodline curse, and frames his defilements as "Blessings". He might be a Paladin of the Formless Mother.
Scarlet Rot: I think a lot of info was overlooked here. Specifically Milicent, her sisters, and Gowry's quest. Gowry is thought by many to be either the god of rot itself OR a follower of it. He is using the Pest enemies as a vessel (attack him and he vanishes, leaving a dead pest instead and stating there are countless pests to inhabit), and we know the pests worship the rot. He also knows how to hold the rot at bay and is trying to manipulate circumstances to birth a goddess of rot (Malenia) along with "Scarlet Valkyries" in the form of Millicent and her sisters. Its possible this is also revenge against the blue swordsman, since he's infecting the swordsman's students.
Moon: The moon is very likely the God worshipped by the Nox within the eternal cities. The Nox have numerous references to the moon/Darkmoon and their armor references them waiting for their "Lord of Night". They are also the creator's of the fingerslayer blade and are said to have been sealed below the earth after invoking the ire of the greater will. It seems very clear that the "Moon" is the Lord of Night as the desires and actions of the Nox mirror those of Ranni, to the point that she uses their ancient weapon to complete their desired overthrowing of the greater will.
The omen and the dung eater also has something to do with the crucible. Apparently the "curse" makes everyone an omen.
at one point in Millicent's quest Gowry asks you if you are interested in Rot in a very leading way
Fascinating insight on Gowry. It seems that while he might not be the god of rot himself, he may be a sort of hand to it much like Shabriri is to the Frenzied Flame (another being that is also capable of inhabiting others’ bodies).
It’s also been put out there that the statue in the Prayer Room is likely Gowry, which if true would further establish him as a hand to the god of rot over a mere devotee.
@@keep8smiling definitely some form of avatar or envoy, yeah. Not only is millicent guarded by two centipedes, when you kill Gowry he is also a centipede under some form of illusion and as he dies states he can use any of their bodies to host him.
Very interesting point about the dung eater, but I remember something about the omens being related to the crucible, I'm not sure what it was tho. But your point does make sense, since she is not one to deliver curses, but seems to have some interest in cursed blood, so maybe he is looking to further her agenda in spreading curses.
I love how eldritch and lovecraftian the outer gods are while being completely different than lovecrafts interpretation of the same concept.
All of these ancients forces trying to force their way into this reality and using the demigods as proxy is a great fusion of lovecraft and more traditional fantasy aesthetics.
Yeah I've also noticed how much this game interprets the outergods as more traditional gods/powerful aliens instead of bloodborne's more obviously lovecraftian "beyond human comprehension" tentacle monster type god
George RR Martin really loves Lovecraft's work as he said before and we all know he is an excellent fantasy writer. Also, fromsoftware has enough sources and experience to deliver this masterpiece. In short, it was a match made in heaven.
Yep and just like with Eldritch Gods
It's hard to really place them as Good or Evil
Some are more destructive and crueler, and that chaos flame one is pretty evil
But others like the Greater Will and The Moon are more ambiguous, not evil, but not really "Good"
Espically when you look at each ending and the Goldmask ending where the Order is Perfected via you working with Goldmask, who himself seems to be doing what the Two Fingers do themselves, and is communing with the Will itself
I personally see the Greater Will as the only overall positive god, the laws that it gave the world brought logic and order, espetially with the law of causality (wich didn't seem to exist before) making it much like our own. It would be too long to explain, but to make it short I basically belive that Marika effectivly "enslaved" the Elder Beast and then used it as a proxy to gain the powers of Grace and spawn the dogmatic Golden Order to rule the world by using the excuse of being chosen by the Will in pure classic medieval ruler style. It was Gywn 2.0 all along.
It’s a really cool fusion of the cosmologies of Souls and Bloodborne
The map of lake of rot explains that the lake is the divine essence of the sealed outer god of rot
You mean I had to sludge through his “essence?” Nasty.
@@callmekrause4556 Yeah, they really cranked up the new version of Ceaseless Discharge for Elden Ring.
The maps have descriptions? I never even thought to check the map items before
@@Spencer-wc6ew Every item has descriptions mate, all consumables and crafting materials, even the uograde materials reveal interesting lore about dragons and souls!
@@XoRandomGuyoX He really should see a doctor. Get some valtrex.
The clan of wandering merchants was captured and locked away due to lies that were spread by Shabriri, a servant of the frenzied flame. Perhaps as a catalyst to create a vessel for the frenzied flame to manifest. And now the survivors of said merchants must wander forever, never to settle on one place for long, because if they do, the frenzied flame takes hold and they go mad.
Also some merchants attack using frenzied flame abilities as well.
The voice acting in this game really doesn't get enough praise. The actresses (actress?) that voice Melina and Ranni are especially amazing, they really gave it their all.
The Frenzied Flame seems not just to be a God of Madness, but of despair. Both Shabriri and the Great Caravan were pushed to despair by the minions of the Greater Will, and the Flame of Frenzy arrived in their eyes to offer them a chance to burn away all suffering.
The Frenzied Flame seems to work like the Age of Dark in Dark Souls, offering a chance to erase a stagnating system and to create a better world.
Eh i guess
But while the Dark was more Ambiguous, and even at frist seemed to be no better then over-feeding the Frist Flame
The Frenzied Flame comes off as MUCH more aggressive and destructive
And doesn't seem to care if anything is lift
Idk I interpreted it as a lot more destructive than the Age of Dark.
That ending is “we’ve burned it all down, now let’s build something new.” The Frenzied Flame ending is more just “let’s burn it all down” with there being no indication of building something new or not. Again that is just my reading of it, not stating that as fact, but the way people talk about it is more like permanent destruction than a cycle leading to rebirth.
Of all the endings, the age of Dark feel more represented in the Age of Duskborn. Weirdly, There is 4 endings representing each souls of Dark Souls
Duskborn for the Dark Soul, Blessing of Despair for Death Soul, Frenzied Flame for Chaos and the Life Soul and finallt the Golden Order for the Light Soul
Age of the Stars is more connected with Blooborne
The age of dark isn't a good thing whatsoever, it's a return to total darkness until a new ember eventually kindles in millenniums to come.
The souls universe has got y'all messed up, there are no good endings and Ranni for example is evil not good.
@@SH19922x Ranni isn't evil. Her lines were mistranslated. It should have read "end to " instead of "into" fear, despair, loneliness, etc.
The god of frenzied flame might be Elden Ring's version of Hastur The King in Yellow since it's magick revolves around yellow flames that induce madness and not to mention the fact that the Three Fingers themselves kinda look like the most well known version of The Yellow Sign when they open to grab the Tarnished.
Also could be a reference to Cthuga the planet on fire outer god who is hated and imprisoned by the other outer gods kinda like what they did to the 3 Fingers
I like your idea
@@todd2.08 your idea is very interesting
Those afflicted with madness are always surrounded by "Yellough" flowers, too!
@@todd2.08
Maybe its both, but definetely the king in yellow. Theres a village full of people with yellow robes that are trying to summon the frenzied flame.
The moon is an indeed an outter god. Think about how the stars were prophets of fate, a young astrologer walked their path and found the full moon, and with it became queen. The moon is what Ranni saw as she clasped her mother’s hand, but it the vision foretold of deep, dark, and cold. Ranni summons the moon in her ending, darkening while she speaks of walking a path of the unknown, as the chill grasp of loneliness stretches into the night. The stars are the moon’s envoys, following fate like the tails of passing comets. After they were sealed away, communion with the stars was no longer possible, explaining why worship of the night’s sky is no longer seen or at the very least common (see astrologer robes)(astrologers talisman). The moon also doesn’t enact it’s will directly, rather having people decide to follow or not. Not demanding worship. Not controlling people. No deception. Just the truth, as cold as it is, as bold as the full moon, forever distant but always seen by the people in the Lands-between. After we help Ranni, no longer is the power of godhood terrestrial as we walk far from what is known and man must now decide their own fate, watching and thinking wistfully at the beautiful moon.
The Moon provides guidance but does not force its will upon the living beings within the Lands Between.
@@missingone9185 lmao nice moon propaganda
There is also ths Lazuli glintstone crown wherein those who wear the said crown are deemed as heretics because it represents an unorthodox belief that the moon is equal with the stars.
This is why I love the story of the Carian Royal family and the Academy of Raya Lucaria. It's so interesting and bewitching.
@@bligafok2127 Likely a Ranni simp.
I mean in the correct translation she Distances the moon from the world, the order from it, lessening it and all outer gods influence, it's sad it was badly translated
"Why is Mohg weak to bleed?"
_The Formless Mother desires wounds_
*Mohg surprised Pikachu face*
It's almost as if allying yourself to an Outer God makes you attune to them or something...
Actually, every time you bleed Mohg, he gets a 20% damage buff to all of his attacks, so it does make him stronger. Not that it matters because I still get insta killed if he hits me.
Khorne cares not from where the blood flows
An interesting point that's somewhat related: There is no sun in the sky in Elden Ring.
I might be wrong but I also don't remember seeing the moon until Ranni's quest had progressed quite a bit.
Thematically, the Frenzied Flame and Ranni's entity seems to be like the sun and the moon, with the more distant entities being the stars in the sky. (Especially fitting considering whatever Starscourge Radhan was up to)
We know very little about a lot of the outer gods, and they are written in such a way that there could be way more of them out there, hence "the stars in the sky".
Actually, the existence of the sun is a weird thing in the lore of Elden Ring, the Sun Realm Shield say "Shield of honor depicting a city crowned by the sun.
It has seen better days.
Much like the wear upon the shield, the Seat of the Sun is long faded away."
So it implies at some point there was a sun in the world, but also, the sun is referred way more in the context of solar eclipses, something that appears a lot with the Mausoleum Knights and Castle Sol, and which appears to be related to the dead demigods with the descriptions of the Eclipse Shotel and Eclipse Shield, and from a spirit in Castle Sol, Miquella tried to have the Eclipse of Castle Sol try to do something to bring Godwyn a proper death, but it failed, and this all can maybe imply that the Eclipse could be an Outer God related to Death, and maybe more specifically Those Who Live in Death, with the Mending rune of the death-prince resembling a lot the Eclipse, so overall, the sun in the lore of ER is really weird and unexplained
There actually is a sun but it's really tiny. The Erdtree acts as the symbolic sun in the game.
Makes you wonder what the deal with the Eclipse is.
The roleplaying for this game is amazing. You can feel slighted by the Greater Will and hope to undermine them. You can be an agent of the Greater Will and choose to be one of vengeance against the Golden Order or one of unification. I think the Frenzied Flame and Greater Will are the split halves of an earlier unknown Outer God who both want the same thing but via opposite means. Marika can be seen as either the selfish queen who caused the Shattering or as someone smart enough to see the Elden Ring was being used for control and she wants to ensure that she's on top in the aftermath.
The Greater Will and Frenzied Flame are most likely split aspects of the One Great, but they want different things entirely. The Greater Will wants life and individuality but under its control, while the Frenzied Flame wants everything melted back into one. I actually heard neither are referred to as outer gods in the Japanese, which makes sense cos the emergence of the Greater Will led to births and souls, so it's essentially the creator and could be more a native god.
you mean Marika right?
I think the fact your character is maidenless implies that you're not there to restore the status quo. It is interesting that nobody seems to recognize that your character seems to be steadily gaining in power despite that apparent limitation.
@@alvarengaaustin made an edit for that just noticed lol
Love this
A "formless" deity with an affinity for blood... does that remind anyone else of Oedon from Bloodborn?
don't think oedon had a particular affinity for blood, correct me if im wrong.
@@IsaacGBaby the quicksilver that is connected to blood is also connected to Odeon
Dude the bloodborne is also connected to the outergods they just connected to the wrong ones
@@IsaacGBaby He's the most connected to blood of all great ones.
"Human or no, the oozing blood is a medium of the highest grade, and the essence of the formless Great One, Oedon. Both Oedon, and his inadvertent worshippers, surreptitiously seek the precious blood."
That's the formless Oedon rune description
@@IsaacGBaby Odeon was formless and was directly related to blood, the big difference is that Odeon was referred to as Male/Father, while this new god is referred to as the formless mother/female.
Remember this: The Cathedral of Manus Celes.
Manus is essentially Latin for hand and Celes can either be a name based off the meaning for something heavenly or Celes can be short for Celestial. Now, what is the first thing you think of when the word celestial pops up in your head? Stars? Moon? Sun? The cosmos?
You can find the fingers controlling Ranni underground, beneath the Cathedral of Manus Celes. Her fingers could be what they named the chapel after which would literally translate from Latin into The Cathedral of the Celestial Hand.
Think about that.
then she killed those fingers
The god of death birds is "possibly" related to Melina, her left eye has a tattoo that looks like a crow's claws. Plus she said she'll bring destined death to the player in the lord of the frenzied flame ending.
Given how Miquella has those bewitching branches and other mind control, he might be aiming to become an even more controlling Outer God than the Greater Will.
@Joe Alexander The twins (along with Ranni) are mentioned to be “empyreans”, which are stated to be potential candidates for holding Marika’s position as a god. So for example Mohg’s plan was seemingly to replace Marika with Miquella and become his consort, making himself Elden Lord by extension.
I don’t remember when Marika first began to turn traitor in the timeline, but it’s an interesting possibility that Radagon was recalled to her side by the Greater Will in order to produce potential replacements for her as a contingency. Though that doesn’t really explain what caused Ranni to be born an empyrean.
@Joe Alexander
Maybe.
@Joe Alexander Not sure where you got that from. Marika’s origin is explicitly described, and the Elden Ring was shattered post Godfrey being exiled (Which would mean she hadn’t been “replaced” by any outside force before that point).
Also I think she’s called a “god” mostly by virtue of her relationship with the Elden Ring. In practice she doesn’t seem to be that different from the demigods. So the distinction seems to be more of a title than anything.
@Joe Alexander Ya see, Marika was chosen as vessel for the Elden Ring. (which is basically the sleeping version of the Elden Beast) In truth, she was kinda just a bitch, betraying both her husbands, her half-brother, and even her own son depending on if you believe she had a hand in the Night of Black Knives. ALSO, Marika was a Numen, the Crucible was the primordial form of the Erdtree, AND the dragons have their own god unrelated to the Greater Will.
Miquella isn't even a god, not on the same level as the greater will or any of the outer gods
I don't know if you have seen the mistranslations from japanise that surfaced this last weeks about the Stars Ending, I think it could give a better guidence for the Moon and theorys around it or give new insights maybe.
Just in case, in short, Ranni's ending dialog originally pointed not to give the Moon influence and new order over the lands, but its her invitation to help keep away the direct interfirence of the gods, so there's no direct subjulgation, interfirence nor literal physical manifestation of gods, therefore no alteration of natural order, like Marika did when she broke the Elden Ring.
It's ironically 'stepping beyond the dark ages' for the lands between.
I think that rannis is the only good ending objectively
@@Dooby_Scoot Gold Mask's ending is also good. No more undeath, no more endless demigod wars, no more bullshit curses manifesting around every corner. Another golden age for the Lands Between.
@@portalmanHUN I prefer Gold Mask tbh. The more information I find about Ranni, the more red flags I see. The only downside to Gold Masks' ending is that groups like the Omen and Misbegotten may potentially still be opressed.
I'm somewhat confused, seeing as it's called The Age Of The Stars and stars seem to be a direct gateway for the Outer Gods to interact with the Lands Between. At the very least it's how The Greater Will started influencing the Lands Between.
To counter your thoughts on the moon having no motives, I would argue that the nature of Ranni's ending shows exactly what the moon would want, which is for no outer god to interfere with the lands between. I don't think it's a coincidence that the moon has no impact on the lands between, and that Ranni decides to leave the throne absent of a ruler for 1000 years.
The Full Moon and Dark Moon are seperate entities, you can see two seperate moons in some areas. That's also why the spells have different properties
No, they're actually just 2 halves. A light side and a dark side. You can see both because of the same reason it always looks like night, because there's perceptual magic upon the altar.
When you look at the sky, in a certain location, you'll notice two moons. This secret moon is the moon Ranni talks about I believe.
where! where us this
@@Mr_Noche_Sucio At the moonlight plateau place you get to after astel
and this moon used to be in the Eternal City once, according to the memory stone text.
@@TheOnlyRaviol Where is this memory stone?
Makes sense. There are 2 moon spells; Rennala (a regular full moon), and Ranni (the dark moon). If you read the 2 spells, Ranni's says she encountered a cold dark moon.
One thing to look at is the symbolism of these gods, the golden order represents order while the frenzy flame represents chaos. The moon seems to represent freedom from the outer gods to some extent, as the japanese translation for Ranni's speech seems to indicate.
The outer god of rot also has intentions to have someone replace Malenia as the goddess of rot. As Malenia rejects her curse, the Rot (through their pests, Sage Gowry being one of them) scheme to replace her with Malenia's "clones", Milicent being one of them.
When Milicent die she said "i will never forget what you did" which may imply she is alive somehow despite her body dying. It could be that Milicent in secret was controlled by the god of rot. It could be that the god of rot planned to escape via Malenia and her clones by secretly instilling its will into them.
5:50 the frenzied flame doesn’t just go through shields, it also goes through A.T. Fields
A great reference here
There’s also the “Blasphemous God” that Rykard fell enamoured with, but again, unsure if this is an outer god with a representative, or just a powerful and worshipped being.
IMO i think that is Rykard himself as he says he wants to devour the gods perhaps to become one himself since the red manor is at war with the erdtree/greater will
The clue is Patches he always mocks and takes pity at the Manor because their lofty goals of overthrowing gods are just serpent whisperings that come to nothing.
We already know who that god is. Eiglay.
I think the Frenzied Flame is a tool of the Greater Will not a separate outer god. The 3fingers goal is to return everything to one so that the Greater Will can start from scratch and remake everything without the "mistakes." To me the Three Fingers and the Two Fingers represent an internal split decision that had to be made. One part wants to salvage what is there and try and fix the mistakes while the other part just wants to wipe the board and start over. I would even potentially argue that the Greater Will may favor the logic of the 3 over the 2 by merit that as we fulfill the two fingers plan we suddenly hit a wall that they can't figure away around. But if you follow the 3 fingers, it has a plan and means to get through the barrier without anyone else's help but us (as if that fire was a sort of key it was given)
So I guess I argue the 2fingers have gone rogue and don't want to start over and are making things up as they go while the Greater Will is more into resetting everything as demonstrated through the 3fingers
Marika and Ranni wanted to destroy the Fingers, Elden Ring, and Erd Tree to scrub the Greater Will off the board to save the world from the big reset (things existed before the Greater Will showed up, surely life will go on). And in Ranni's ending we don't see the Elden Ring repaired. Marika containing the ring dissolves this is the new dark future.
I don't think Radagon was on the Greater Will's side either. As I said the Greater Will wants a wipe. He doesn't realize he isn't aligned with the Greater Will because I think he ascribed to the lies of the 2fingers. Assuming he and Marika don't share memories, imagine his perception of Marika trying to break the Elden Ring, what he may assume is happening (May have believed it would end the world).
There's a cut ending where the fingers appear to be grafted to make 5 fingers which can support your theory and also very interesting as it's kinda like the god hand from berserk
...This is a really interesting theory. Based on what I've seen, it makes sense too. Thanks for sharing!!!
@@fistedasian9594 that’s a fake ending but the dialogue is real
Radagon & Marika do share memories, the lore proves this by Radagon remembering being Marika and being married to Godfrey
@@fistedasian9594 fake cutscene
such deep and unique lore. I love how it’s there if the players choose to delve into it, but isn’t forced through narrative hand-holding
I like the way you hinted at Radagon being possibly half giant. It does explain why Radahn is so gigantic and also has the same signature red hair. Not to mention, a hint of influence of the Fell God might give Radahn the willpower to hold up the stars and stuff.
Ranni wasn't giant if u look at her corpse. Miquella, Malenia and Melina are not giants either. So, Radagon's genetics isn't the issue.
I think the moon may also be an outer god, but not one that meddles with the lands between in any way. We know that the Carian Royal family and Raya Lucaria worshipped the stars and moon, which led to Radagon fighting against them in the Liurnian wars. So it does seem like the Greater Will wanted to prevent as many outer gods involvement in the lands between as possible. Given that Ranni’s ending dialogue is supposedly a horrible mistranslation, and the true dialogue shows Ranni giving people of the Lands between freedom from anything controlling their will, makes me believe the moon god either doesn’t exist, and the moon is just some false deity, or the moon god does not wish to interfere with anyones will for any reason. Perhaps Ranni’s ending is her granting the moon control over the lands between, which pushes away all outer gods and gives everyone freedom
But isn't that whole mistranslation thing rather questionable? I heard the source that claimed that the in game ending is mistranslated just translated the original japanese version word for word. That can't be very accurate either then. It's like taking everything written in the Bible literally.
Sending a falling star to guide Ranni towards the Fingerslayer Blade might be "meddling"
Ranni’s ending being ‘mistranslated’ is extremely overblown. She speaks in a flowery and theatrical gothy way, but what she gets across is perfectly understandable if you follow the context of her characterization through the game and her backstory. She is against being bound by destiny and the explicit dictating of fate by any god, something the people of the lands between have never known, so she frames that through essentially saying it will be as if they’re blind in the dark compared to where they were before.
When you translate a language like Japanese that’s so different from other languages, you inevitably always have to do some form of interpretation and simplification to make it make sense, as literal phrases, grammar and syntax would still come out as a jumbled mess in, say, English. The person who ‘accurately translated’ the Japanese could also have ‘accurately translated’ what Ranni says in her English version ending into plain English and gotten to the same result. The Japanese version isn’t suddenly written with Ranni speaking super bluntly and plainly, whatever dumb redditor ‘discovered’ the difference just didn’t apply any critical thinking to how language works and now it’s parroted around as gospel
@@buschkoeter I think the end where shes talking about plunging the world into misery and loneliness is the mistranslated part.
I think Ranni's ending has the Moon God taking over. Between her being influenced by the "Moonlight Witch" at a young age and her being a Carian I think she'd be pro-Moon. Plus shes against the Golden Order (the whole Night of Black Knives), and I think she'd need her own Outer God to replace Greater Will. Maybe the Moon God is chill, but it very much seems like Moon God is replacing Greater Will, Ranni is the new Marika and we are new Elden Lord.
PLUS she even says that we're all gonna be under the 'Wisdom of the Moon". I 100% think she made her Moon/Darkmoon/whatever Outer God the new head honcho.
Each outer god seems to require a type of vessel being to become their pawn (gods) to control the lands between otherwise without that connection they don’t have much influence.
I don't think it's a coincidence that the falling star hits directly above Nokron and guides Ranni towards the Fingerslayer Blade. Sounds like outer god meddling
I believe at one time the Frostbite mechanic had a lot more items and therefore use in the game. The removal of most of the frost-based items and things that cause it has cut down on the lore of the Moon. Same thing happened with St. Trina and her purple flame which is only seen and mentioned on 4 things in the entire game.
I feel like with the God of the Dragons, given that Placidusax was an Elden Lord, I think they're hinting at more of a marika-like figure than an outer god. Since the Greater-will is what sent down the elden ring to begin with, it's likely that the outergod is still just the greater will , the ruling god of that time however is still subject to speculation.
I wonder if Placidusax's God was not the Elden beast, and the Elden Beast became the Elden Ring that was invested in Marika, therefore making Placidusax's God disappear while still making it possible that he the former Elden Lord...
I'm sure Greyroll is the one that Placidusax worshipped
I'm sure Greyroll is the one that Placidusax worshipped
if that was the case Placidusax wouldn't be waiting for his god to return, as Greyroll is pretty much physically present.
@@vergiltheartofpower6616 Greyroll is the mother of all modern day dragon. The dragon wound grease refers the modern day dragon are just descendants of the ancient dragon and Greyroll are base on those modern dragon since ancient dragons have four wings and stone scale and able to use red lightning so their completely different creatures.
The moment I heard about the formless mother, it reminded me of bloodborne's formless oedon. Oedon's caryll rune read, "Human or no, the oozing blood is a medium of the highest grade, and the essence of the formless Great One. Both Oedon, and his inadvertent worshippers, surreptitiously seek the precious blood."
The moon god could also be a reference to the moon presence, who keeps hunters locked in the hunters dream and sends hunters to both stop the ritual of mensis and act as a surrogate for the dream. It's an optional boss that exists mostly to interfere with the machinations of other old ones and their worshipers.
So again, you have a moon presence off to the side, throwing a monkey wrench into the sick, twisted systems established by other gods.
A TH-cam video hasn’t shocked me so much in a long time. Every bit of research to every bit of poetry and explanation really got me this time. Great video man
I can't believe I didn't realize this sooner rather than later but Formless Mother is likely a reference to Oeden from Bloodborne, or at least they reused a ton of ideas from that god. Oeden is associated highly with corrupt blood, impregnating a cainhurst prostitute at one point in the game. The Formless Mother seems to be a harsh god that yearns for followers to love. Considering Miquella is in an egg on top of a gigantic pelvis, I think Mohg was trying to do a weird symbolic ritual that would have the Formless Mother give rebirth to Miquella, having him reborn as a demigod of blood that would rule with Mohg. This seems appropriate to me, as if the Formless Mother was inspired by Bloodborne she likely can not sire a child without the help of mortal worshippers, and it seems like she is trying to find someone to love and take care of. It seems this ritual likely ended in a sort of still birth with Miquella at most being barely alive and still in something that resembles a coma.
Moon presence = Ranni's Full Moon. Queen Marika = Yharnam Queen of the ancient Pthumerians. Also, remember this from Bloodbourne ::: Every Great One loses its child, and then yearns for a surrogate ::: try to think of Miquella who is an infant & the egg as an surrogate womb with a baby.
Loved the first Godrick video, can’t wait to see your insights and theories on the outer gods
Thanks and I'm glad to hear it!
I have a theory that a lot of these gods we see are basically formless entities that exist outside of The land between are given form based upon varies of concepts and ideas, like the frenzy frames is heavily related to madness and all beings can be infected by this. Same thing with the death birds because to me they heavily tie to anything that is related to the concepts of death and the magic we use also ties with it. Basically I took a page from Berserk when it comes to the concept of the collective idea and how this affects various of formless gods that exist around us. But hey just a Theory of mine.🐱
Your theory brings up some additional questions as it relates to Berserk. In Berserk, the God Hand's ultimate goal was to manifest corporeally in the real world, in order to better carry out the Idea of Evil's plans (whatever they were, we'll never find out now).
It makes me wonder what the actual ultimate goals of the Outer Gods of Elden Ring even are. The Greater Will definitely wants to control the world with an Iron Grip, but to what end? The Frenzied Flame's goals, at least, are clear: It wants to destroy the world. I mean, they're GODS. Why bother with the lowly mortal world at all?
@@matrix3509 I will also say that if it is true it would explain the unusual behavior of the Scarlet rot. Because to me i believe the scarlet rot was once normal but do to one outer god taking a interest in the rot. It made the rot it self it’s medium, allowing it to interact with the physical world. It Would even explain the unusual mutations of various species we see in various locations in the game like the bugs and dog’s and various of others and it the same with the lord of blood dynasty where we see blood everywhere and we see the blood affecting the wildlife and the people and the weapons they wield.🐱
I think this is true to an extent, that outer gods are basically just personifications of ideas or concepts, but I don’t think they’re given form by collective unconscious or anything like that. Life itself only exists because the greater will decided to divide things and create order, and before it the frenzied flame existed as the primordial chaos from which everything originated. So life was created by the outer gods rather than the outer gods being created by it
@Topcat 59 I think the Outer Gods are like the elements of Adventure Time, all of them trying to conquer each other's space
I also think that the Outer Gods represent the planets or satellites.
Sun: Greater Will
Mercury: The God of the Dragons
Venus: The Formless Mother
Earth: The God of Scarlet Rot
Moon: The God Moon
Mars: The Frenzied Flame
Jupiter: The God of the Giants
Saturn: The God of Death (Deathbirds' God)
I think the asteroids/stars like Astel are beings trying to be Outer Gods parasitic lanet with their
Have you considered that it may be possible that the dragonlord's god is in fact the "whole" version of the three fingers and the two fingers, the "One Great"? Perhaps when his god split in twine, the new versions no longer favored the dragons, but the dragonlord believed that some day that which divides would one day recombine back into the "One Great"?
Two fingers were created by the "Greater will" to spread the golden order in lands between. So even though its a nice theory to think about, I dont think its possible, because placidusax was elden lord before "The greater will" sent the elden beast to the lands between in the first place.
@@drinmehmeti8173But isn't the "One Great" an ancient entity that later split apart to create the "Greater Will" and "The Frenzied Flame"? There's no telling if it's influence on the world predated the "Greater Will" sending the Elden Beast to the lands between.
This is just a theory thou, I could very well be wrong, I just feel that, of any entity we know of, it makes the most sense for Placidusax's god to be the "One Great"
@@drinmehmeti8173But we see a primordial version of the Elden Ring in Farum Azula, in Maliketh's arena. So the One Great must have been around before the time of the dragons.
I would argue that the "Fled God" of the dragons is actually the Elden Beast. Since it was sent to the Lands Between with the Elden Ring, it seems to me that the Ancient Dragons were the "chosen people" of the GW before the time of the Golden Order. I mean, the Elden Beast does seem to fit more, thematically, with the time of the Ancient Dragons.
Then the Elden Beast fled, perhaps with the advent of intelligence among the beastmen and subsequent evolution of humans in the Lands Between. Now it resides, in secrecy, in the Erdtree.
Ive beaten the game 4 times and there’s still stuff I keep finding it just blows my mind how awesome this game really is
I wonder how many Outer Gods there are and if the Great Ones from Bloodborne are somehow cousins? Each being is so unique and hungry for control of something it wouldn't surprise me
Hyetta says that before everything, there was the One Great.
Interesting word choices.
@Jonny Mario i think the one Great is when the greater will and the frenzy flames where one and a full hand. With how an avatar of the greater will can be two, can it's god do the same? is unity of faith or unity of mass the same Unity?
It’s possible. Outer Gods also come from Lovecraft lore.
@@neoikake is the frenzied flame an outer God or a separate sect of the Greater Will? Perhaps its the 'madness' behind the order of the "Golden Order" and that's why it has multiple separate vessels (aka Shabriri, Yura and the PC if you choose that route)
I wonder if Oden from Bloodborne (I’m not sure if I spelt their name right) is the Formless Mother considering that both are Formless Gods heavily associated with Blood, I believe Oden is referred to with masculine pronouns but that could be a translation error and would a formless alien entity have a gender?
Great video on the subject, and I really like your format. The item names showing up during statements helps differentiate what's directly from in game text versus what is inferred from collected knowledge.
I also really liked the "most sympathetic characters, at least, to me" line for some reason. I agree entirely, but acknowledging it as an opinion thing just felt very refreshing in a FromSoftware game lore video lol.
I really appreciate the kind words. It is important to differentiate and im glad the item desc and whatnot succeed at doin that job
I spent 10 mins finding the meme at 7:27. Well done
I appreciate how you included the items when referring to things from the lore. Thanks for that
Marika shattered the elden ring after the death of her son godwyn. I believe it was this event that traumatized her and made her faith waver in the greater will. She more than likely felt betrayed by the greater will and thus, in an act of rage, turned against it.
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Astel & The Fallingstar beasts, what are they, where do they come from, where they the reason Radahn was holding up the stars? Why does Astel's Arena & The Eternal cities & Mogh's area all have the same cosmic sky?
@@pinkvillafantasy the Radahn one is very curious. The first thought is he's hiding the secret of the Eternal City (or even Astel) by keeping a meteor from falling down that would reveal the way. My second is that Astel was "kept" in the meteor after doing its damage to the Eternal City and we allowed him to return (based on the fact gravity is affected at the impact site).
My take at least. I'm not sure why he was hiding that path/city/monster. He had some motivation for it though (most likely to protect someone).
I’d love to see you cover the godskin duo
@@theseculargamer3339 Yeah it could be, since Radahn is Ranni's sister, and Ranni's blue witch body is modeled after her mentor who is theorized to be from Nokron, that Nokron is special to Ranni so maybe Radahn is keeping Nokron safe from the meteors. But after Radahn dies the meteors continue on their path to their original target being Nokron hence why they crash in Mistwood specifically. It's also strange that D's Twin brother is found there and from Nokrom you get to the Deeproot Depths where Godwyn is buried.
Also Astel actually dwells far above the Eternal Cities since Astel's arena is below the moonlight altar which is in a mountain above lake Liurnia and there's a 2 fingers below that alter, like why are they so close to Astel's cave.
Don't forget the Primeval Current there is some implications that it is separate from the Dark Moon. And the connection between the Seedbed curse and the Formless Mother.
Amazing video! Good story telling. Appreciate your work through lore of Elden Ring.
the whole story about malenia and her blind master was super interesting, thanks for sharing
Madluigi waiting for vaati and be like:
Fine, i'll do it myself.
It definitely seems like each status effect in the game is associated with one of these gods. By extension maybe there are other gods to cover the remaining?
GW= holy
FF = frenzy
Rot god = rot
Moon = ice/freeze
Formless mother = bleed
Death bird = deathblight
Fell god = …burning?
maybe the Crystalian’s?= ????
???? = poison
???? = sleep
Dragon god = ???? Lightning perhaps?
Poison incantations are in the Servants of Rot category so you can link them to the Rot God. Sleep is associated with St. Trina who is heavily implied to be Miquella.
Sleep is St. Trina outer god linked to miquella cuz he is her incarnation
Sleep may be something with St. Trina but for now there is almost nothing on her i think. And poison may be somthing of the Ancestors spirit but that is just blind guessing.
i don't think lightning would be for dragons, all the dragons use different breaths. fire, glinstone, rot, so on...
This upload was dope af. Watched it twice
Great video mate. Also it's amazing how the starting set for one of the classes relates to what was debatedly Elden Ring's mascot.
I'm really enjoying these. Thank you very much for sharing.
I'm really glad to hear that. Thanks for your comment
You know who else is formless? And tied with blood?
Odeon.
Great video. That part where you quickly explained how the Greater Will beat the order Gods, but showed every item you inquired the information from. 10/10
Amazing video dude. Appreciate hat you also provided the items that refer to those facts. Great job.
Despite the theme of wounds and blood doesn't quite match, the Formless Mother can be related to Shub-Niggurath, a tentacle-ridden shape-less Outer God that is called "the great mother."
I seem to draw the fire giants falling into chaos because of the frenzied flame (hence the presence in the eye), leading Marika to hire the Zamor to kill them off. Their bodies that litter the north are afflicted with deathblight. I feel the “fell god” they mention is moreso the first keeper of that flame, before being overpowered and corrupted by the madness. That’s just my theory so pls be nice :)
Just wanna say thanks for the easy-to-follow "Is This an Outer God?" graph. It makes this a good video to reference.
I clicked that subscribe button so hard my mouse exploded. Great work and looking forward to see more lore videos!
I think the giants' Fell God is probably a 'god' on the level of Marika, Placudisax's dragon god, or the "rot goddess" that Malenia was going to become, not an "outer god" like the Greater Will. The fact that Marika was able to slay it seems to suggest that she had equal or greater power.
never seen a lore video where someone actually used the item descriptions as annotations, awesome job
I think (hope) its becoming common practice, and thanks!
Your link to artist in the description just earned you a subscription. I so rarely see that.
I think the reason why Marika had a falling out with the greater will was because of Godwyns death. And if I'm not mistaken it's also because the greater will basically sentenced Godwyn to die for being of no use to them
Thank you for not making over the top claims and being straight forward with lore evidence before speculation. Nice content my dude. Subscribing.
Yeah it was really good. A lot of people act like they’re head cannon speculation is fact and this guy made a good differentiation between the two!
the biblical accuracy of some of these things and its lore is mind blowing. awesome vid
Id just like to point out how this dude literally had a couple hundred views just about 2 months ago and here he is with hundreds for thousands, im lovin the content so far and am anticipating on whats coming next
Point for moon god: in the game there's being called the Primeval which are found in the stars and basis of sorcery. If you harness the primeval power your turned into a stone faced orb out of rejection. The crystaline humanoids are described as messengers of the stars. Lastly it is stated that the Carian family had an agreement with the star likely tying their power to the moon.
Great video, i have been thinking along the same lines. I believe the One Eyed God might be a god in the same sense Marika is a god, which is more of the vessel of a god and that seems to make sense when fighting the fire giant since he seem to become a vessel for his god in his second stage. I also believe that the Moon is to an Outer God what the Erdtree is to the Greater Will, the reason i believe this is because the Moon seems to be the source of Magic. Magic is in turn very similar to Incantations. Incantations come from the Greater Will and the Erdtree. So if Incantations are fueled by the power of an Outer God through the Erdtree it makes sense if Magic also is fueled by the power of some Outer God through the Moon. It does not seem to come from the Greater Will that is for sure, since Magic users have been fighting against it for a long time. I would also speculate that Ranni is actually representing this Outer God in the same way Marika represents the Greater Will. Her ending to me seems like the age of another Outer God separate from the Greater Will because when we get there we have destroyed everything that represents the Greater Wills power in the Lands Between and Ranni herself does not attempt to repair that power in any way instead she enacts some other power and gets to reshape the world in that image.
Good video, with the exception of the bit on the moon. Look at how this concept first was introduced to the academy, and then proceeds to take over. Then through Rani, we can see the continuance of it's ambition, which is ultimately to replace the Greater Will. The gods themselves all desire dominion.
The detail about the merchant that sells the blue cloth set is actually really really clever
I could definitely see a DLC focused around these other gods, or at the very least expanding heavily on each of them.
The time and passion that is put into these videos is so apparent, and the information is presented in such a concise and interesting way. Awesome stuff can’t wait for more!
Btw, I’d love to see a video exploring the night of black knives/black knife assassins since that is the single most confusing and divisive topic I’ve seen in the game.
Absolutely excellent video, much appreciated!
i'd love to see a lore video on the Tarnished mentioned in the intro! Horah Loux, Fia, Dung Eater, Gideon and Goldmask
I think the Dragon Lord's "God" is referring to their bearer of the Elden Ring like Marika, as the Elden Lord Placidusax would be awaiting his wife/god. The fact he was Elden Lord shows the ancient dragons (or at least just him) likely worshipped the Outer Will, given that's the outer god that created the Elden Ring.
@@danieldato6213 Actually, it's more likely Placidusax WAS an Elden Lord, even if the Dragons used to serve an outer god who isn't Greater Will. Notice how the Dragonlord's fire breath is golden (same as Elden Beast and various Erdtree Avatars), which is dead-ringer for his connection with the Elden Ring. Also, Farum Azula has an insignia of the Elden Ring in one of its chambers (albeit an Elden Ring BIGGER than the one shown in Leyndell), which proves the Elden Ring DEFINITELY had a connection with the Dragons.
If anything, it's more likely the Spanish version is the mistranslated one.
Don't think that's likely tbh. Cause then why would the Dragon war have happened that overthrew the rule of the dragons in the first place. Of course it was begun by Gransax when he attacked the capital, but if it was the greater will's influence there would have been no reason for Demigods like Godwyn to have fought against dragons like Fortissax in the first place.
The ancient dragons may have instigated the war but it wouldn't make sense to usurp their rule if Placidusax was following their will, I think the term "Elden lord" is just a honorary title given to a consort of a god. Hence Placidussax would not have needed to go into hiding to wait for the "return of his god" since they never would've been vacant in the first place.
@@willthevill5500Dragons attacked Lyndell because it’s the capital of new era. The word Elden Lord is special things that’s related to GW only, like Elden Ring and Elden Beast. Tarnished aren’t being called Elden Lord in Age of Star, or Frenzied Flame.
@@MK-xj5by Those endings are different, because you don't even attempt to restore or consort with the ring. The "traditional" way is becoming consort of Marika/Elden ring. In neither of those endings do you even use the elden ring. In frenzied flame ending, Marika body just deteroriates and Age of stars It's Ranni who interacts with it not the tarnished.
So those aren't good comparisons as you're not consorting with the Elden ring to begin with
@@willthevill5500 That’s what I’m saying? Elden Lord is tied to Elden Ring, so Placidusax was the former Elden Ring god’s consort.
Radagon in lore is stated to have been cursed with red hair while fighting the fire giants, prior to that his hair would have been golden just like Marika, seeing as they are the same entity.
Do you know where or what states that?
@@MadLuigi the giants red braid whip description states "Hefty whip woven from the flame-red hair of a Fire Giant.
Every giant is red of hair, and Radagon was said to have despised his own red locks. Perhaps that was a curse of their kind." maybe the original commenter misunderstood this?
Another swagtastic video man. Glad to see you still making content.
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Im impressed how people have managed to put things together like this. Beat the game and barely knew what was going on. 10/10 game tho regardless. Good video!
With the introduction of the hidden 7th ending. I’m curious what this means, the completion of the hand seems like an obvious choice. Mending the fingers into the age of absolute seems like a heavy theocratic pull, pushing away outer gods. But it just adds more questions to the pile.
What is the 7th ending I’ve never heard of a 7th one
Homeslice I neeed you to post where you found the 7th ending.
@@KinguKirimuzon just fyi that cutscene is fake :( the dialogue is datamined from the network test
@@JudgeNicodemus th-cam.com/video/6PwzUYDsz1M/w-d-xo.html might be fake ig
You mean the datamined ending from a non-released version of the game that was removed from the game? If it can't be fulfilled by the players. it's not an ending.
Saw that All my homie hate the frenzied flame meme LMFAO
Remember to always kill shabriri
also on melania's technique, check how she's fighting, sometimes with a flurry attack, she lets go of her blade, letting the small lever on her prosthetic wrist push it further, even more of a "flowing" technique.
I can’t imagine how much work this required
Check Ranni's ending alternate translation. The Moon is supposed to veil and separate the world from the direct intereference of gods, and prevent the materiality of order in the world (the Elden Ring itself is that materialization), to free its people from the direct interests and "fickleness" of gods and outer gods (to quote Goldmasks' mending rune, and the "My Beloved" Prattling Plate, which both seem to reference this fickleness directly, with love being the most fickle of all).
Instead of the certainty of gods, Erdtree and the Elden Ring present, humanity will have to explore the universe and navigate the stars, to dwelve truly into the unknown. This stimulates progress and transformation, instead of only living by a static, enforced order, souls are freed from the subjugation of the Erdtree, etc.
Motif-wise, this is in line with previous games in the franchise, such as age of dark vs link the fire, the search for immortality leads to dragonrot, the stagnant god of rot in Elden Ring, etc. An age of uncertainty is an age of inquisitiveness, of progress.
The cold, unknown and lonely night is basically us - the earth - with solely the moon as our closest companion.
-However-
Cold also... Reminds of Stagnation? Which is also the main stat that the Moon sorceries presides over (Adula's Moonlight Sword, Snow Witch's set hinting that the old crone knew more of the moon and passed the knowledge to Ranni, witches being hunted by the academy even - similar to Primeval magic? Dunno).
Seemingly there was a falling out between the Moon and Stars, as hinted in Carian glintbade magic as they prepared for war againsy the Academy's/Cuckoo's treachery. Rennala seemingly doesn't care about her imprisonment in Raya Lucaria, also, disposing easily of Sellia and not even mentioning her.
Anyway,
Tldr:
Ranni's space program.
Very accurate but a small change. The English translation of Raani’s speech is actually slightly wrong, Raani is not taking the whole world in a trip to the stars but actually taking the golden order and the influence of the gods away from the world.
The “fear, doubt and loneliness” is meant to define the state of the world when there are no more Gods or the golden order to dictate how things should be, this is in actuality the freedom of the people from the divine and ties in beautifully with Friedrich Nietzsche’s “God is dead”. It is a philosophical book about how the advancements of science have killed the very idea and being of a God and that would inevitably bring about a sense of despair, fear and loneliness in an indifferent universe, but is irrefutably important for the advancement of our species
i really dislike the moon and ranni all together
Yes this! Sorceries and star magic are based on intelligence not faith. Sorcery is not a God's blessing but a powerful science discovered by man. It is, for better or worse, independence of divine intervention. In the glorious age of the stars man's fate will be decided by man for man, not bickering meddling petty gods.
@@devious7579 except every star we have seem was a living creature, astel the elden beast, the malformed stars, starfallen beasts, etc... and multiple item descriptions point out to the darkmoon being evil
8:33 I just realized that the structure that Miquella and his egg is resting on looks like a giant pelvis and the egg/Miquella is obviously in place of where a womb would be.
Incredible Video!!
Me and you both said: like NGE ending at Frenzied. Nice. : )
Subbed.
Honestly super curious how you feel about Fia’s “lord of death” as no one has talked about it yet
i dont think the lord of death is an outer god i think she refers to godwyns new form, though the god of the deathbirds seems to be the outer god of death and may be related
I definitely want to spent some time talking about her ending and the Prince of Death! There's a lot that's still murky about him
Godwyn's corpse having a merman tail is definitely murky.
@@MadLuigi You should probably also look into the connection between the prince of death and Castle Sol, as there is a VERY weird connection between the 'Eclipse' and the Prince of Death (excerpt from the Eclipse Shotel): "Set the lusterless sun ablaze with the Prince of Death's flames, inflicting the death ailment upon foes". On top of that the Shotel looks like the Centipede mark of the Rune of Death. What's up with the "flames" of the Prince of Death? Were the people of Sol, expecting Godwyn's return? Were they loyal to Fia? So many questions arising 🤩
I interpreted the "Lord of Death" to be the player, similar to the title of Elden Lord, though I could be misremembering dialogue
Two things. First, I think the Moon/Starrs/Night/Void/Primeval Currence can be an Outer God just fine, it clearly has worshippers and a lot of impact, at least three factions in the game are aligned to it, Raya Lucaria, the Carian House/Ranni, the Old Civilization, if said impact is brought about by the worshippers alone without the god's interference I don't think it matters much, he clearly doesn't have much interest in the Lands Between and that could be a motive/desire in and out of itself, a God doesn't have to be a hands-on micromanager of its affairs, or have any really, just being one is enough, so I'd say the biggest problem with the Moon perceptions as a god is that is never plainly stated as such even though it seems to be one of the most important "Gods" to the game itself.
Second, I like the theory that Destined Death is an Outer God and the one related to the Deathbirds, mostly because Destined Death seems to be treated as an entity and also has "worshippers"/servants like the Gloom-Eye Queen and the Godslayers, although the only thing holding that theory is both entities being related to Death, so I may be entirely wrong.
Yeah, the thing with Lovecraftian beings... is that due to their scale... many of them... let mortals wield their power... but don't really DO anything in the mortal realm. they just... exist. Or so it appears from a mortal PoV.
I'm glad you recognize the dragon god, a lot of people like to say that the dragon god is the greater will but the god is straight up referenced separately
This video is great! I suggest to put every description on screen when you read them
Honestly, I’m pretty chill with the Greater Will, seems like a pretty benevolent god, all things considered. Most of its more extreme actions have reasonably logical causes. For example, the Eternal Cities / Nox were banished underground because they tried to kill the two fingers, and the Great Caravan was seemingly buried largely because of the manipulations of Shabriri, rather than any act on the Greater Will’s behalf. Besides, it gave out free will and individuality, and while you could argue that it resulted in the conquest of the Giants, Dragons, etc. IDK if that was really a bad thing. From what I’ve been able to tell, all the other Outer Gods are significantly more sinister than the GW is, with the possible exception of the Moon and the Dragon God, which we don’t know enough about to condemn or praise.
One pet theory i have is that the flame of frenzy was created along with the Golden Order, as an unintended byproduct of how the Order works. The Order seems to operate on binaries (Regression / Causality, etc.) So when the Order was firmly established, it might have naturally created a binary force, Chaos. I don’t really have much to back this up though, so idk.
The fact that the three fingers are, well, fingers, really does seem to point to either some sort of corruption, by-product, or association with the two fingers. One theory I am musing over is that the shattering of the Elden Ring actually broke the connection the greater will had with the lands between, which would have also likewise severed the connection the Fingers had with it, as well as potentially corrupted one, or at least enabled one to be corrupted. There are after all many pieces of dialogue that suggest the fingers are "Rambling" (even Gideon says as much when the time comes to burn the thorns) and/or "corrupted", and the Roundtable's fingers go dark after we learn we can not enter the Erdtree, even though ostensibly the greater will, as per the fingers guidance, is directing us to repair the Elden Ring. Clearly this development was unexpected and they don't know what to do about it
@@socialjihad5724 I think that every Outer God has their version of the Fingers. Since the God of Frenzied Flame is an exot in my opinion, it's Fingers are Three.
@@vaclavsoukup7302 While that's possible, there aren't any other fingers in game to really support it. Recently there was a cut ending, the age of Absolute, which seems to show the two and three fingers grafted together, which would point to them being two halves to a whole, although this is cut content, so it should obviously be treated with caution
Considering what alternatives are, Greater Will seems to be the best Outer God to contact. At least it does not override people into mindless slaves (even Marika can do what she pleases) or twists them into madness like Frenzied Flame.
The age of Erdtree was not perfect, but as prosperous and peaceful as we can hope it to be. Incantations of Greater Will are all about healing, mending and fortifying.
It offers reincarnation, blessings and immortality.
The problem with Greater Will is that it does not understand humans very well. Which is why it needs Fingers.
@@matiasluukkanen7718 I think in order to solidify that the greater will is mostly benevolent is to prove that the two fingers were corrupted. Their intervention with blaidd and the other shadow protectors says the opposite of free will.
If we look at the inspiration for the elden beast, which I think it the forrest spirit from princess mononoke. It has great intentions and provides a lot for human and beast but in essence it is nature it self and therefore cannot be perfect. The greater will conquering giants was necessary to set them free. The dragons were probably the same as they were in dark souls, running the world and nothing was able to thrive until the greater will came.
Side note: the greater will can be also interpreted as the collective thought of humanity.
I could totally see the moon being a god. On a meta level, mythology wise all the planets in are solar system were worshiped as the physical embodiment of gods. So, in a game of magic, dragons, and eldritch horrors, it's not too far fetch that the moon is some outer god.
i liked your commentary very detailed and well verbalised, third to Vatya :)
So far this is a good channel, the lore and reference are all right in front of you and you can always go look it up yourself. When there are lore that are still unfinished you left it as it is for now compared to other people and "lore" youtubers running around with assumptions masquerade as fact, going on a wild goose chase. Keep up the good work and avoid making up theories.
I appreciate the comment! I'll definitely continue to source my stuff, but getting into the areas where we don't know as much, I may be forced to make a theory or two, but that'll be clearly stated as such. That it is my theory, not something verified by the game. Obv I try to verify through the game as much as I can
This brings about an interesting question about the ending I started with: perfect order. It says that it removes the influences of gods on the golden order. do you think that also includes the outer gods? and if so, did my boy gold mask just help me usurp the greater will?
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In the perfect order ending, you play the role of an outer god. In Ranni ending, you just shield outer gods from people. So yes, in perfect order, you are the god that rule over everyone with the ideology of the noble gold mask in mind.
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I was under the impression that Destined Death or something similar was also an outer god. The Godskin are said to have worshiped something that Maliketh then slayed for Merica. With its connection to black flame maybe this is the same entity that is related to the Death Birds?
The godskin worshiped a lady known as the gloam eye queen (think of her as someone who wanted to usurp markia) maliketh beat the gloam eyed queen and markia altered the elden ring leading to the removal of death in the world. Although the death birds and the gloam eyed queen are both tied by death ghost flame which death birds use while godskins use the black flame which was said to be weakened by maliketh. In conclusion godskin are a part of the Golden order that was kicked out by Marika while the deathbirds have no connection to the greater will
I love The Elden Beast theme. It's so astronomically beautiful.
Holy shit bro, you're #35 on trending. So proud ❤️
I didn't see that, thanks for letting me know! That's super dope