Q&A 61: Talking Guns with Polenar Tactical
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00:00:32 - What is the "elevator pitch" for Polenar Tactical?
00:02:26 - How did you get your channel name?
00:04:49 - What are the Slovenian gun laws like?
00:07:11 - How do EU rules impact an individual country's laws?
00:11:37 - What do you think will be the most prevalent rifle and cartridge to spring up for civil defense in Eastern Europe?
00:16:43 - What rifle to replace the SIG 550 for Swiss service?
00:19:11 - With the US Army moving toward the 277 Fury, what will NATO countries do?
00:29:19 - Optics and other accessories price and availability in eastern Europe?
00:35:38 - How has the war in Ukraine affected the availability of firearms accessories and gear? Also, have any fighters reached out to you for tips and training or equipment procurement?
00:38:13 - What were the reasons for allowing civilian suppressor use in Slovenia?
00:44:36 - What was the development process for Grip Clamp C (tm)?
00:45:22 - What's the story with that warehouse with the tires on the walls where you do many of Polenar's vids?
00:48:38 - If you could only have one gun...
00:50:49 - How has the transition to western-style and caliber firearms gone for countries transitioning from the Warsaw block to NATO?
00:58:36 - What are the tactical advantages of track suits for AK operation?
01:00:07 - If you had to live in another European country what would it be and why?
01:01:45 - What is your guess on future firearm related law development in Europe?
01:05:39 - What is the most Slavic drink you are going to make Ian drink?
01:07:23 - What is the best Slovenian fruit brandy? Apricot, pear, plum, etc?
01:09:17 - AK vs AR in Slovenia?
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I want the extended six hour version of this where they're all completely plastered at the end
Norway has unregulated suppressors, as they're considered an important stage in hearing protection and reduction of noise pollution.
Same in Sweden, since 1 July 😀 (at least for the weapons you have a licenser for).
We need that here in the US, we have to file whats know as a form 4 which covers suppressors, short barreled rifles and shotguns (16 inches) that requires another background check, finger prints, photo ID and send $200 to the ATF. Once approved you can get the item. One big issue is the wait time depending on when your form 4 arrives at the feds desk to be processed which takes 3-6 months or longer depending on the work load. We tried getting the hearing protection act passed which would make a suppressor only require a 4473 form (background check) then ya can get it VS waiting 3-6 months on average or longer.
Just passed 7 months now waiting for my suppressor tax stamp from the bureaucratic nightmare known as the NFA branch of the ATF here in the USA.
My waiting period was 25 months. Two states so it restarted halfway in.
Here in Australia suppressors are category R which is is tanks, RPGs and full autos etc.
Some states allow professional shooters such as Vets and National parks ect
As an Austrian I have to add the following:
Austria limits the amount of semi-auto guns and handguns (Category B) you can own, depending on how long you had your license for them. 2 for the first 5 years which then automatically are increased to 5, or if you are member of a shooting-club 10 and then 2 more every 2 years.
Active sports shooters can generally also have more than 10, if they regularly take part in competition.
Category C guns, which are bolt-, lever, and break-action guns, are not really limited in number. The only problem being that if you are storing over 20 and/or large amounts of ammo in close proximity to each other, you need to inform the authorities and show that the storage is safe. That generally means that you need to keep them locked in gun-safes and the safes need to be correctly installed and bolted down.
Category A guns, which would be machine-guns and destructive devices, generally need a special permit by the ministry of interior, which is normally only granted in exceedingly limited cases.
Small correction: Category A are formally split into "Kriegsmaterial" ("war materiel" - WaffG §18) and "Verbotene Waffen" ("prohibited weapons" - WaffG §17). Both need special dedicated licenses to be able to purchase but war materiel licenses are issued by the Verteidigungsministerium (defense ministry) in consultation with the Innenministerium (interior ministry) while prohibited weapons are issued by the interior ministry alone.
@@davebaton8879 Forgot to mention that. Thanks for the clarification.
@@SuspiciousGanymede Unfortunately not. Machine-guns and destructive devices are all but impossible to legally obtain for normal citizens. The special licences are very restrictive.
But there are exceptions. For instance suppressors are currently classified as Category A still, but the special license to own them is granted to everyone holding a hunting license. Which leads to the ridiculous situation of sports shooters not being legally able to own one, but hunters being able to walk into a gun-store and pick one up whenever they want.
Or the 10+ round magazines for semi-autos also being classified as category A (thanks EU/Germany), but also generally allowed for active sports shooters, but not anybody else.
Talk about stupid rules.
@@SuspiciousGanymede Austria doesn't have any ban on semi autos. However we have different weapons restrictions. Category C (bolt action rifles, double barrelled shot guns, lever action rifles) weapons you don't need any licence for. Just be over 18 a EU national resident in Austria and wait three days and have a criminal record check. Austria has a waffenverbot system which is like a nation wide red flag law. This ban criminals and the mentally ill from owning weapons. These guns are registered to you. As such Austria is the only place in Europe where you can buy guns without a licence. If you want a WBK licence which allows the ownership of cat b guns (semi autos and hand guns) you have to have served in the army if your an Austrian Man (we have national service) be over 21 and pass a psychological exam. You also have to do a basic firearm safety course. On your first licence you can buy a maximum of 2 guns. The police will make a surprise visit within five years of you getting the licence to check how you store the guns at home. All US guns are legal, we are also allowed guns a bit shorter than the US. We do have magazine restrictions now but all previously owned magazines are grandfathered with the gun. Also if you do i think 6 comps a year (even by posting the target back to the comp) you can buy more. High capacity is anything over 10 rounds for rifles and 20 for pistols. If you own a magazine and you don't have a gun for it yet, the magaznie is registered separately on your licence and when you buy a gun suitable for the magazine you can only put it in the magazine at the range. Keeping a firearm for self defence is fine in Austria. You need a waffenpass to carry a loaded gun and they are normally just issued to people who have a threat against them or those who work in security. Hunting licences are a whole different thing and take like a year of study but with them you can own suppressors. On the whole Austrian gun laws aren't bad apart from the weird fact that pump action shot guns are illegal in Austria (unless grandfathered from the 1990s), makes no sense as semi autos are fine with a licence.
Would like to know who is allowed to Own Kat.A . What their field of work/ life circumstances are that they get the permit. I was visiting Austria Arms, they said that there were couple people who bought Kat.A in Ö
Elevator pitch for polenar “SLAV WITH WEAPON DO MEME”
I think it would be appropriate to clarify as "SLAW IN TRACKSUIT WITH WEAPON DO MEME"
The political history described around 54:25 is usually referred to in America as the "Non-Aligned Movement" - the ideal promoted by Tito, in conjunction with Egypt, India, and other countries, was that independent countries shouldn't be forced to choose exclusively between America and the Soviet Union. A cynical person could call this "playing both sides against the middle," but it was also a basic attempt to preserve national autonomy. In practice, it meant that these countries could receive industrial and military aid from both sides, and their militaries often ended up with a mix of NATO and Warsaw Pact equipment.
In addition there was a "neutrality movement" that persisted, as well as the later " 'non - aligned' movement" '. The neutral countries that built some of their own arms ( ie : Sweden, Switzerland, Finland, et al. ) also tended to either turn away offers from America and Eastern Block countries more than 'non - aligned' getting more from both sides ( Spain, Portugal, Yugoslavia to a degree, some Central and South America as well ).
Yes, I remember the Yugoslavian army had french Gazelles armed with HOT missiles.
@@gustavogarcia-echeverria1190 Not HOT, those negotiations were canceled. They were equipped with 9M14 Maljutkas. And they weren't French but Yugoslavian SOKO licensed built HN-42M GAMA / HN-45M GAMA2: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%C3%A9rospatiale_Gazelle . How's that for a mix of NATO and Warsaw pacts:-> And some of J-22 Oraos (eagles) carried AGM-65s. Well J-22 (and other Yugoslav made aircraft) was equipped with western avionics anyway...
Ukrainian here, right now anyone can buy a firearm and the only thing you need is your passport, but this procedure is only available during martial law (now). After the end of the martial law civilians will have to apply for the standart gun permits in term of 10 days for rifled\smoothbore firearms. We're still not allowed to buy handguns and there are already thoughts in the government (our defence minister is a precision shooter and lobbie it quite a few times) about changing the laws for the better. A lot of people think that it would be unreal to make strikter gun laws after the end of the war, people don't trust police (primary antagonists to decent gun laws i nthe country) and won't just give up guns when there's a neighbour like Russia right next to our homes.
Good luck to you and your country. Kick those orcs out of your territory. SLAVA UKRAINE!
yall remember the alamo better than most Texans, just dont make the same mistake we did....STAY INDEPENDENT
thank you for explaining. where do you buy guns from? gun stores? military places?
Keep your rifles by your sides bros
honestly it would make more sense post war for your government to adopt the US 2nd amendment in it original wording but we can barely keep it over here
As someone who lives in Portugal, every country is Eastern Europe. :D
Lol'ed soooo hard on this.🤣🤣👀
Fair point 😆
I came back from a 2 week vacation in the hiberian peninsula just now and honestly I found portugal an amazing country except for the awful highway payment methods. Braga was my favorite city, I was there for the Sao João festivity and it was spectacular.
its way worse, Slovenia isn't just on the east it's also in the south, so....
@@sjoormen1 😅🤣🤣🤣
Not only are they changing caliber, rifles, machine guns, and optics together, but also developed the suppressor as well. Caliber argument aside, I do love that they are actually developing all of the parts of the system together, instead of cludging together independent developments like usually happens...
This was easily the most enjoyable collaboration you’ve done yet!
With the last question I was reminded of how the AK/AR situation was pretty much the same here in the US, up into the ‘90s. AKs and ammo was plentiful and cheap, while ARs were rare and pricy.
Thank you, that's quite a compliment!
We also filmed a podcast with Ian that will soon be available on our channel
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@@nickaschenbecker9882 I remember some old guy ranting that he was NOT going to buy any more 7.62x39 until the price dropped back to $80 per thousand. Wonder if he has any x39 still in his inventory?? LLOL
Iv enjoyed Polenar Tactical’s irreverent humour for awhile . They’re kind of a Slovenian “Administratve Results.”
i think administrative results is kind of like an american Polenar Tactical tbh
Ooo i wanna see that collab for a video. Bet they would put out a real gooder.
@@terrorform242 how would the talking balaclava keep up with their drinking pace, while having mouth covered?
Gun Jesus handled like a boss.
@@not-a-theist8251 yea lol , as someone who watched admin launch his channel
Vkiii him ok
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From the 1st of July, supressors in Sweden are kinda deregulated, they are treated like ammo, if you have a license for a gun that takes the supressor, you're free to buy it.
criminals like the laser man just made their own suppressor
1:03:00 - Actually according to presidential adviser Arestovich, the UA govt was impressed with the maturity of the Ukrainian people as the distributed guns weren't used in any criminal activity, so they'll likely leave the laws as is, probably just aligning licensing to EU categories. This war is also not comparable to the Yugo civil wars, so the social consequences are completely different.
I’m confused as to why any thinking person would actually believe this tho?
Ukrainians might want to keep them but EU will demand them to be confiscated. EU really doesent want any black market guns
@@foodjesus556 That 's not how it works. If they're legal owners, it's not black market. If they decide to confiscate, that will push a ton of them into the black market. If they instead license those owners afterwards (EU directives are very generalist and unrestrictive on this subject), they're fine. The risk is political pressure by interest groups.
@@alexandruianu8432 hopefully gun control groups have no where near the power in UA as they do here in the USA.
Agree💯
Also, Czech republic legalised suppressors - like you have to register them per serial number, but the fee is so low and the process so fast it doesnt even bother
that's good to hear
Slovakia is following suit in the same manner. Took em' long enough...
Obviously, the best gun law in Europe is in Czechia: “shall issue” gun licences for concealed carry (no absurd psycho test unless your MD practitioner believes it is needed), unlimited number of guns, JHP ammo for carry and so on.
I think Switzerland is even more lax.
Yeah that sounds good, writing from Swedenland over here, we've two needs for a (gun owning) permit, you being a hunter, or you are a sports shooter. No carry whatsoever.
Eerie how similar gun law is across europe, though
sure, it's a privilege if you are Czech, or if you speak the language, you cannot take the test in English or any other languages, only Czech :D
@@arpadkocsis7472 you can't take it in gunfire?!
@@scratchy996 No it's not. Czechia is one of the few (if not the only?) places in Europe where a concept of self-defence with a firearm actually exists. In the majority of places guns are for hunting, sports shooting or historical collecting. The fact that Switzerland has good laws from sports shooting perspective is obviously nice.
i used to visit Koper , Slovenia a few years ago , job related. lovely peoples , lovely country, would have love to stay. greetings from south africa!
I am from Koper Slovenia and we would love to have you back on a visit some day.
Polenar started off as a typical gun instruction content... And they inserted comedy into gun content and the rest is history. Love you guys.
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Good to see you Ian collaborating with Polenar Tactical. I like their videos and I’m a fan of their channel too 😍
That's nice to hear :)
To me this was Ian's most enjoyable interview of all time. The guys from Polenar Tactical are not only intelligent on firearms but they are also very relaxed and funny. Is this the most informative or technical interview no but it is very enjoyable. Nice job Men.
That is nice to hear, thank you :)
That was a really interesting and engaging Video. Thanks Ian, Ziga and Samo
Glad you enjoyed it
These interview Q&A's are so interesting. The monthly ones usually involve the same questions or "Do you think X gun in X caliber would of changed the outcome of X war?"
Ian, I have a 20 acre plot of land that we use for a private shooting range, it near Manville and Reservation road in Avra Valley. You are welcome to it.
FANTASTIC interview. One of the best Q&A to date Ziga Samo and Manca are fantastic. I can't wait to see the upcoming content.
Nice to hear some love for Cappy from Task & Purpose.
Shout out to the spare parts army!
Ian: Who wears short shorts, I wear short shorts!
10:45 French here. How the "30 rounds magazines" ban was implemented here is really clever... because the EU doesn't specify that those articles are banned, but that they must be classed as "category A" articles. Well french law was modified to upclass rifle magasines 10-30 rounds to category A... and immediately added an exception saying that they can be legally bought and owned with "proof of ownership of the firearm", which can be a CATEGORY B weapon.
Therefore, from a practical standpoint, NOTHING CHANGED.
Add the old paper-based system (magazines had to be declared on the "proof of ownership", but no one bothered to maintain it up to date, including the Prefectures) and the new online system (where there should be no paperwork), and really as long as you actually own the gun, 30-rounds magazines are unrestricted.
Nowadays in Finland you have to get ErVa (ExDa for Extremely Dangerous)-license for magazines over 10 rounds, but there's grand fathering in it. If you bought the firearm and over 10rnd magazines before the restriction, then you don't have to get the special license. I call it BS, because most of our reservist shooters use AK/RK-based weapons and the shooter can get a really good prone shooting position resting the 30rnd mag on the shooting mat or ground. With a 10 rounder the magazine support is just not there.
How very terrible, now you have to buy bipods!
Fear not friend. Here in California a magazine above ten rounds will send you to prison, no matter when you bought it. We will all struggle through this together.
Heck get a plattform with the same mag as your issued rifle. Get some mags from active duty friends. “Oh I’ve had these for 15 years officers”
If we got a ban here in Norway I’d be a criminal because of random magazines laying around in weird places after being in for many years
Ah, I bought a Desert Eagle IWB holster from these guys. 10/10, very practical, when I get my permit I'm gonna wear it in my gym shorts when I work out.
Edit: Just to be perfectly clear, this is a joke. I did buy the holster I want to get a CC permit at some point (life's been busy and it's not a priority) but I have no plans to carry any gun regularly, let alone at the gym. When I get a permit I might carry the Deagle on hikes just in case of bears or mountain lions. But mostly I bought it just because it feels silly to own a pistol without having a holster for it.
chad
"Is that a Desert Eagle or are you just happy to see me?"
"Why not both?"
"Oh..that's a Baby Eagle"
Regarding the Fury and its rifle/optic system, I remember a quote from M1 Abrams crews, that they were so confident in the system that they referred to their ammunition as "stored kills". Perhaps the Fury is to achieve that at the infantry level?
That's the most reasonable of the conclusions available information leads to...
Empirically adopting any battle rifle especially full power chambering or higher had an insurmountable list of detracting qualitys........ Unless the increased payload and decreased flight time the self correcting munitions an intelligent fire control opticuy viable system that compelled its adoption.
@Matthew Sierleja yeah
Regarding 6.8x51mm, even the US Army has not suggested that the XM-5 and XM250 are to replace all the weapons in inventory (M4s, etc). The information released to date suggests that it will be used by INFANTRY, no one else. The machinegun is the much more important portion of the equation (and the optics as noted in the video) for the Infantry.
We're not eastern Europe! Gets me each time :-D I'm suprised that our laws (Czech Republic) are considered quite liberal as we are used to see them as unnecessarily restrictive. Still next to the collaboration with CZ Uherský Brod and J. Ferguson, this is top 10 in Ian's collaboration work.
Two of my friends(siblings) are of Bosnian descent. Their parents grew up in Yugoslavia and their mom would always talk about how back in the day Yugoslavia was such a great country to be in
No, only Bosnia was good under Yugoslavia, the other countries are doing far better now than before... Except Serbia
impo this was prbly one of the most entertaining an informative Q&A ever. wish it was longer, or something similar coming in the future. u guys have an awesome dynamic. thx for the content
Thank you, that's great to hear :)
We also did a podcast with Ian that will soon be published on our channel.
In a couple of months we will all meet in Finland for the brutality match. I don't think we will have time for another Q&A but we will definitely make some content together
Thanks
Three wonderful people in one wonderful TH-cam video. I am so glad I saw this
Pear William with the fruit grown inside is Slovenian great stuff. The brandy is different in France, but the fruit in bottle is a popular niche drink. I still think Ian will come around to wormwood free type of Absinthe, some day.
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Thanks to Polenar Tactical and Forgotten Weapons for so many fun answers and drinks! Cheers!
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This was very enjoyable to listen to. Thankyou for doing your Q&A vids and for having guests from time to time.
Big fan of polenar tactical. Im gonna watch this tomorrow as i cant right now. Cant wait to hear what they have to say in this q and a.
I hope you will enjoy it
The Warren Zevon reference was appreciated.
I thoroughly enjoy all of the Q&A videos, but this one has to be my favorite. Always enjoyed Polenar Tactical's content, and this was very entertaining. Fantastic!
Around 57:00 "Non-aligned movement" is the word they're looking for. Tito/Yugoslavia were the leader of that organization/alliance which still exists.
This was entertaining on so many levels. Informative and hilarious.
I've had a friend for many years in Slovenia. He likes to emphasize that Slovenia is CENTRAL Europe. :)
Former Eastern European 'country' :-P
I wouldn't mind being called "Eastern Europe" if I was them. Eastern Europe today is more based than Western Europe. Even Eastern Germany has a better mindset than Western Germany. Western Europe is on a steep decline and if I was them, I'd embrace the Eastern designation.
@@maximilianmustermann5763 I don't think you understand the implications "Eastern Europe" has for someone in Europe. For countries that were formerly a part of the Warsaw pact, it means Russia. Since most of those countries were forced into it, usually because they were invaded by Russia when it was calling itself the USSR, they also happen to hate Russia with a passion. For the western part of Europe, being "eastern European" implies tags like "poor", "immigrant", "cheap labour", and a few racist ones I won't mention. I'm sure you can understand why nobody wants to be associated with that. The term may end up being reclaimed and reshaped, but for now it's still soiled.
B&T always struck me as being for CZ hipsters with HK bank accounts.
When HK looks a little to plebeian, and you're not quite willing to throw around Korth money - B&T.
shot the Spear with Karl at Woodland Brutality...softer shooting than .308 and worked great in full auto. Shot brass and steel base ammo but not the 80K pressure stuff. Phagan tried it left handed and got a face full of brass. He was not impressed. Gun is too heavy for general issue in my opinion but it did shoot nice...right handed only.
An additional detail for people in the USA. A European Directive must be translated into the local law of any member country or associated country. Failing to do so entails financial penalties… as a result European directives all become local laws sooner or later. There is some leeway in the local adaptation, as shown in the examples stated in the video, but it is scrutinised by the legal department of the European Commission and if the final result is deemed too far away from the original intention, you can bet the directive shall come back with a revenge,
I hope you had a great time in Slovenia mr. Ian. And yes; a pear shnops is a good choice
Great synergy, would love to see more
Well, the AR type, like AR 10/AR 15 is the best system for a modern rifle that is affordable, capable of easy mass production, modular to your heart’s content, light, extremely easy to learn and use, accurate, reliable. And you know piston driven/ semi DI, with a huge amount of companies making them and parts, with most parts being interchangeable with a few exceptions like colts pins in the receiver, or the buffer tube size. And butt stocks to fit the buffer tube. Now 5.56 is a pretty damn decent round, not the best, but it works. And once again the best for mass adoption and use, small, light, good ammo, easy to carry a whole bunch of. But the great thing about AR’s it’s pretty easy to get them in different caliber’s, as long as the mag will fit in the basic two receiver sizes, and feed reliably then it’s a barrel change, and bolt change, all the rest stays the same. That’s why it’s the best, also you keep all the extra stuff you out on the outside.
Nice video from Bratislava, Slovenia :)
This has to be one of the most lively Q&As I've seen on this channel.
Had a lot of fun watching this one. Great Q&A!
These guys get better the longer you watch. Great conversation.
Thank you! We also get drunker the longer you watch :D
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So did I...
Polenar Tactical is usually identified with AK47's and nice Adidas track suits. But Ian and the two gentlemen of Polenar brought out a highly intellectual and educational conversation. I truly enjoyed viewing this presentation so much so that I have to replay it.
That's nice to hear :)
We also made a podcast with Ian that will be available on our channel
Pleasant to see my country represented on this channel, both Polenar and Forgotten weapons are awesome.
Just had to comment after the suppressor question! Here in Australia the state governments would rather see ranges close down than see unregulated suppressors... New housing estates go up, next to a 60 year old range, complain about noise, range gets shut down. And hilariously enough, you need to have a "muffler" on your car or it's not roadworthy and can't be driven on public roads... But only a select few in the professional (pest control, military & Police) gig can have suppressors...
Oh how Polenar doesn't understand how many of us are so into guns and the history to not sit and appreciate this video entirely with every aspect. To see them together in one long video was awesome.
08:00 30 round mags - or more than 10 capacity. Here in Malta the authorities created an addendum to the Target Shooter Licence A - the TSA-Special. It was grandfathered so any hi-cap mags one owns before the issue of the TSA-S are legal to continue to own. This allows us to have "hi-capacity" mags on passing a test - so any capacity magazines can be purchased on production of your TSA-Special licience. A sensible solution to an idiotic regulation from the EU.
I love their sense of humor.
Always interesting to hear how firearms laws work in other countries. Canada is definitely becoming one of the most strict nations in regards to being able to own firearms but restrictions applied to them i think.
I know the Polish military has adopted a 7.62 NATO version of the PK machine gun. Are Romania and Bulgaria using PKs in 7.62 NATO or in 7.62x54mmR?
Romania right now uses a pkm in 762x54r from my understanding. If they want to change that changing the pkm to use a difrent type of link system and a cartrige without a rim was big challenge for the polish arms designers and some say this has proven to not be an amasing idea i havent used or studied one so idk, adopting a western gun or making an original domestic design not based on the pkm would maybe be better
Arsenal offers PKs in both calibers, with disintegrating belts in 7.62 nato, but I'm not sure which one the Bulgarian army has adopted. Probably a mix of both.
As far as I know, Bulgarian armed forces use predominantly 7.62x39 and 7.62x54R ammo. 5.45 x 39 has been abandoned years ago. 5.56 x 45 and 7.62x51 are also used, but limited to some special operations units, snipers, etc.
I love watching Polenar tactical videos! Those wild Slovenians are great!
I would love to see Ian do a collaboration with administrative results. A historical guntuber with a die hard larper.
Also worth to say that all guns and accessories are more expensive here in EU than US about 30-40% (including EU made guns)
Hey, more Slovenes! My grandfather grew up around Ljubljana, so it's nice to see more on TH-cam
I think new (hopefully) NATO members Finland and Sweden will be among firsts to adopt the new 6.8 cartridge after USA. For last decade or two, both have been testing and looking into a new 6+ mm cartridge together. I think they were mostly looking into 6.5, but I'm guessing they'll change that to 6.8 mm now. Plan is to get a new rifle and cartridge together.
Sweden historically has been fairly quick to adopt new small arms technology. They were among the first to purchase the Mausers, BARs, field semi-auto rifles, the FN MAG (they in fact were partly responsible for its existence in the first place), the 7.62mm NATO with the HK G3, the 5.56mm NATO with the FN FNC and the Minimi, the Barrett M82, the AI AW, and optical sights.
6.8x45 or 6.8x51?
11:32 - Hell yeah, cause we just Czeched them out!
Similar situation in Lithuania, with few notable exceptions. The way law has been changed in Lithuania in 2006 is that although gun ownership is considered privilege it basically became a right. Previously it was was "may issue" country, now it is "should issue". What is the difference? Well before it was down to the individual to prove they are suitable for gun licence i.e. showing relevant criminal records, mental checks, giving reason etc. Now it is down to police to prove individual isn't suitable i.e. it is enough to apply for the license and police must issue it or prove that individual applying is not suitable, like maybe past criminal record, if they can't prove then they must issue. However, silencers are still banned outright, for same reasons as in other countries - police thinks that anyone with suppressor is automatically a hitman and I think big part is that people DO NOT UNDERSTAND suppressors, they think that suppressor is that thing from the movies where it is silent like bb gun and this misunderstanding creates this resistance which was well has public support, because public obviously don't understand it either. Same thing with 10 round mag. However, concealed carry and self defence has always been legal and self-defence is primary reason for gun ownership in the country, second being sports shooting and then hunting. Which kind of tells little bit about the country as well i.e. most of gun owners just buys hand gun for self-defence and likely are not great shooters, then smaller part are good shooters who goes to competitions and finally hunters, who are minority because realistically there is nothing to hunt in Lithuania. Funny enough until 2006 it was possible to own automatic guns if you were part of club and you were allowed to carry them between range and where they stored with permit, now that is no longer allowed (basically no auto guns whatsoever) and I believe one exception is that the club or a company can own one and you can basically rent it on the range. Again same EU directive but implemented completely differently.
Theres nothing to hunt there? Hmm that's something I never thought I would EVER hear.
@@jacksonthompson7099 Well... lets say there isn't much... and whatever there is you not allowed to hunt anyway, not only that hunting overall only possible pretty much on privately owned land, with few exceptions of boar population getting out of hand and then everyone and their dog are allowed to hunt them. But because this just happens once every 10 years there is no consistent support for such hobby. And anyway that is more of pest control than it is hunting. There are no wolfs, no foxes, deer is not allowed... I mean unless you call shooting rats and pigeons a hunting, then there is nothing to hunt.
So in the end the so called "hunters" are mostly farmers who have hunting rifle to do pest control on their own land.
@@lp9280 Ahhh gotcha, might be expensive but we have wild hogs out the nose here in the states, hell you can find vids of people hunting them from helicopters. Even the game wardens do it.
@@jacksonthompson7099 Yes but Lithuania is small country and there are basically no large land owners. There are no such thing as 10,000 Acres farms like in US where somebody can arrange hunting. Average size of Lithuanian "farmland" is about 19 acres and the largest ones don't even reach 50. And you are simply not allowed to take rifle to public forest to "hunt". Hunting has to be organised, the area has to be fenced-off an secured so that not public can't access it etc.
So the only type of hunting is as I said most likely individual farmer having like a "feeder" on their own land which borders public forest and then it may attract some wild animas, but as I said most of them are not even legal to hunt. Foxes are, but they are rare, wolfs are protected, boars (hogs) ar protected most of the year with exceptions, deer are protected, technically with exceptions but they never practically allowed for hunting. If you shoot lynx you going to jail, because not only they are protected, but they are all GPS tagged. Overall, there are no wild game which isn't protected and common. So what is left - hunting ducks and some other birds, but again only on your own land and nobody going to thank you for that because they are mostly considered as "decorative" birds i.e. they make the nature nicer by being there, so you neighbours most likely going to stop speaking with you if they find out.
I think overall, more of wild game is killed by cars than it is actually hunted. And just to be clear I have no issue with that, I neither hunt nor I understand it, I am merely stating the fact that there is little to hunt and hunters are small minority of gun owners in the country because of that. Just the way it is.
For our foreign friends: In Slovenian "poleno" means a smaller piece of firewood also a person who is a bit clumsy or slow, Nickname for Žiga therefore comes from a smaller piece of firewood.
As a french with a croatian wife, the whole confusion about Yougoslavian history and geopolitical context was really funny to listen to and sooooo relatable 😅
Excellent video, Ian and Polenar Tactical!
Great conversation
Great interview. It made my day when Samo pulled pelinkovec from under the table.
Using Slovenia as a case study for suppressors is an interesting idea. My state outlaws them, but I'd really like one for hearing preservation.
This was one of the best interviews!! Great fun...
Interesting fun interview. I typically watch Ian for the gun tech but this was surprising interesting to listen to.
Thank you for addressing my questions regarding Grip Clamp C (tm)! Very informative.
Maybe I’m wrong… but I remember this from secondary history education:
Post WW2, there was a significant uprising in Hungary (Buda-Pest?) and Russia demanded that Czechoslovakia contribute arms and men to the “Warsaw Pact” suppression effort. Czechs refused to participate, so Russia denied all aid and arms to Czechoslovakia. That’s why they pursued their own development and manufacture of arms, that deviated from the Warsaw standard.
The Czech region has had heavy industry that goes way back. It was the industrial heart of the Austrian Empire, and when that collapsed the interwar Czechoslovakia had a very active arms industry, with their exports proving very popular around the world. The Czech industry has always had the drive to make their own - it's what they do.
Unlike occupation of Czechoslovakia in 1968, the Hungarian uprising was put down just by Soviets with no help requests to other satelites. Hardliners in Czechoslovakia would definitely participate though..😕 As they were ready to help suppresing the Polish uprising in early 1980s... You may mix it up with Romania refusing to join the Warpact invasion to CSR.
Czech lands were over-industrious since industrtrial revolution, so there was enough of local engineers to create any small arms desigh necessary.
Haha, i wish it would be so easy to get supressors in switzerland as polenar thinks. We have to get a "special permit", for that you need a really good reason. I do not know a person who is leagally in posession of one.
Interesting, I would think they would since Switzerland has a peoples army basically plus it protects your hearing and can help you communicate better in "hot" situations.
@@jacksonthompson7099 the problem is, that our laws are written by some ignorant politicians, and adoptet by the public. If a influential person spams some bullshit about supressors in the media, the wide popullation beleves that and votes against it. Thats why our system is sooo slow moving.
@@user-dn5if5lt2h saaaaame story here in the states man, makes everything grid lock hard.
What a lovely interview, I didnt know about the polenar tactical crew but seem like nice guys
The UK, which has some of the strictest gun laws in the world, is actually more relaxed on suppressors than the US ironically enough.
I have not… We’ll check them out! Thank you!
It's so interesting to see you guys appear in the same video. And your accent sounds like a very different language from Polenar's accent.
Great remarks made by Ian. Did they offer yuo the Cocta a non alcohol herbal drink? Does Slovenia make 5.56 cartridges or ARs?
Regarding Slovenia not being part of the Warsaw Pact Slovenia (at the time part of Yugoslavia) was a founding member of the Non-Aligned Movement, which may be what they are referring to with term "third nation".
One of the coolest people I knew was on the Slovenian Presidential Guard. Miran Spahic. Great guy. Funny stories. Head like a basketball.
The break vith Stalin occured in 1948 with a resolution from Informbureau. In following years Yugoslavia actually received US military support. The first jets were T-33s, then F.84s and F-86. There were bunch of M-48Pattons, Jacksons, GMC trucks etc.
Thanks, I always enjoy the q&a episodes
I really enjoyed this. What a great podcast.
This actually brings up an interesting question. There's been alot of talk about the US's new M5, and that is a topic for another time, but that's coming out while other countries like France and Germany retire their FAMAS and G36 to go to a 416 variant. While other countries in Europe seem to be going down a similar route, the Swiss have made no mention of replacing the 550/STG90. Is there talks about retiring it and replacing it?
The Stgw 90 is coming to the end of its life cycle and will need to be replaced at some point in the not too distant future cos it's not well enough supported any more. Unlike Ziga, I suspect that it'll be one of the SIG-Sauer AR variants, that they'll set up to produce in Switzerland, rather than be B+T (though B+T might get some parts outsourcing work). My prediction is that it'll have decent iron sights (influence of the shooting clubs and out-of-service shooting system), will be over 4kg without optic and will have a free-float barrel and bipod. With optics becoming standard as Korpsmaterial, but not trusted to the guys to take home. We'll see though!
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The army wants to replace the SIG550 by 2040, IRC. Let's see how that goes.
Your comment is a sound prediction, but I'm a bit more pessimistic. My guess is that it's going to be an HK416 or HK433. Not a Swiss company, but the Swiss Army is already using Glock 19s, FN Minimis, Sako TRGs etc. and since there's no Swiss company with the capabilities to even partially produce rifles in large enough quantities anyway (SIG Sauer AG has like 100 employees total, SIG in the 90s had several thousand), there won't be any real Swiss option. Plus Switzerland would likely want to be compatible with other NATO countries.
Besides, who would develop a new rifle/cartridge anyway? W+F is gone, SIG Sauer AG is braindead (they barely manage to adapt the 550 platform to a new calibre and even SIG hasn't really developed anything substantial since the 70s with the P220), B&T is focusing entirely on Law enforcement and RUAG Ammotec has just been sold to Beretta.
If I had infinite money, I'd modernize the GP80 bullet and redesign the W+F C42: get rid of the quick change barrel to improve accuracy, change the weird charging handle to something more G36ish to make it fully ambidextrous (unlike the 550) and use lighter materials for the upper and lower to make it lighter (unlike the 550 that relies on the steel upper for the lock-up).
Just like Slovenians aren't eastern Europeans, we Germans aren't western Europeans. We're all central Europeans and proud of it. We are the heart of Europe and the bridge between east and west.
I also love the talk between ak and ar. Just awesome.
Objectively, the AR-15 is best rifle. Subjectively, I cannot see why I get better times with my AK than my AR but I do. I guess my hands are cursed.
Probably sight radius, I have the same issue especially once my russian AK103 clone gets warm, gonna get a side scope mount and a 2x ACSS from primary arms and hopefully i'll be much better off.
Biomechanically, wouldn't grip clamp C be related to forward canted grips such as the AK dong grip? With the comment on grip clamp C and adult video this makes a lot of sense
To be fair to Americans, the central-eastern part of our country is called the "Midwest," and then west of that is "the West," and then the "West Coast," so it's natural that we're a little confused about where "Central Europe" is: if Europe was the US, Slovenia would be "Midwest Europe" while Germany and Austria would be in "Western Europe" and the UK would be Hawaii and most people would think it was located next to Iceland because mapmakers just squish it in there.
It's really impressive how much they know about U.S. and European government systems and how well they can explain them in English!
I love these guys. Really intetesting. Thank you.
I think the confusion about eastern Europe is partly that people haven't payed attention in history but also partly that Slovenia and Slovakia have similar names, Serbia also starts with an 'S', and those other two _are_ in eastern Europe.
I first heard of Slovenia as a kid thanks to Vlado Kreslin and Siddharta. Look them up if you aren't familiar with their music.
As a kid I went to a wedding of a distant relative in Slovenia in the late 90's, lots of AK discharging into the sky back then.
Some of us are old enough to remember when Yugos were imported into the US....