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Pro Nuzlocker Ranks The Hardest Gym Leaders
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Ranking every gym leader in Pokemon on how hard they are to fight in Nuzlockes
Edited by: / @tyronesmith5014
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Funny how eight leaders made it into the run killer category and they’re all different types, so they could form their own run killer league 😂
lol
Order
Ilima
Mallow
Mina
Clay
Winona
Juan
Drayden
Blue
@@albabimam1114 swap mallow and mina and its perfect
Then the elite four- iris champ, cynthia champ, blue champ, red with his 'red origins' team and a new champion multiplying cynthias cursedness?
Royal HeadQuarters Have cynthia as champ and put steven in e4
" I haven't fought the ice girl, what's her name? "
M E L O N
Nice
Mallow*
Jk😂
Ice MILF #3
May as well be... what is game freak thinking with these character design 🤔
As to what Cheren can do to you: He can do work up and then oneshot your starter with a critical hit tackle. Yeah. ...Yeah that was FUN.
I lost to him when I wasn't even Nuzlocking. Work Up + STAB Tackle caught me the fuck off guard.
I remember seeing Twitch streamer Scykoh in his first Black 2 nuzlocke lose to Cheren because of the Lillipup using Work Up and then spamming Tackle and Bite. His Tepig almost took out Lillipup because it survived a Bite, but it got flinched and then killed on the next turn.
@@angrychameleon5664 what does STAB mean? I always hear it
@@pisceflux20407 Same Type Attack Bonus. Does extra damage I'd your pokemon does a move that shares a type with it.
exactly what happened to me
Not only is Cheren a run-killer in nuzlockes, he is a pretty difficult opponent in a regular playthrough as well.
In regular playthroughs? Hell no.
@@MayHugger Work Up says hi.
@@alextsi1949 lmao that's not even remotely threatening.
@@MayHugger Workup STAB Tackle with decent attack and basically no Fighting counter to it (unless you got EXTREMELY lucky with a rare Riolu) can be pretty scary
@@ShinyKyu Snivy gets Growth, and is stronger than his Pokemon.
"Write a comment about how I'm wrong about any of these, I'm looking forward to not reading any of these"
See this is why I'm subbed to this channel, this guy gets it
Explain
@@bigtimeepic982 He's doing his own shit and very obviously only cares about Twitch but has the youtube channel for the promotion and money. Mad respect for the guy
@@bigtimeepic982 It's an unspoken agreement. People like thinking that they know more than you do, even if they in actuality have no idea they're basic af. So the agreement is that you can comment thinking you know better than the best nuzlocke player, and instead of him defending the opinion and starting shit, he just lets you think you're right. Then nobody's ego gets hurt.
@@SaxManiac37 ..that makes you have mad respect for someone? If he wanted a bigger twitch he should try harder with TH-cam.
@@bigtimeepic982 not being fake is a rare trait
PC: “Turns out grass types also just kinda suck”
Totem Lurantis: “You underestimate my power!”
The only totens i had issues with were togedemaru and Lurantis
Grass types are either free or a run killer depending on their tools.
@@drunkennephilim2995 Sunny Day Castform breaks Lurantis so hard. That and being 2v1 in general.
@@VictoryStar16 in USUM its worse. Either of Lurantis' allies can summon sun and do so much more. The Kecleon has Ancient Power to counter fire, flying and bug types while Comfey has Heal Pulse and ability to double both its and Lurantis' defense (its priority too)
Lurantis with contary will kill you. (but it does not have it i think) sets with sunny day solar blade and leaf storm
I think, due to Surge being next to Diglett Cave, he's the free-est one on the roster.
DIGLETT IS SUPPOSED TO END WITH 2 T'S!
@@Amelia4111 Noted and corrected.
Most people just don’t use diglett but you’re so right.
True and you will probably get oddish or bellsprout by then which resists him.
I guess hypothetically he could kill the Diglett with a Normal move since it has the defensive integrity of wet tissue paper but yeah
the one amendment i have here is Surge. he's literally fucking free. diglett's tunnel is right there, with a guaranteed diglett or dugtrio if you're super lucky. combine that with dig which you might not even need if you get a dugtrio or raise your diglett enough, especially in gen 1 with the broken crit mechanics and dugtrio being really fast, you can just mash a on surge and win.
Dig is shit on Surge in FRLG, it's a free double team for Raichu
@@AlldaylongRock you get magnitude so still a free win
@@AlldaylongRock a wild level 31 dugtrio with magnitude shits on surge like a 5 yr old baby
@@kinginblack2845 unless it gets a Magnitude 5 or something and it starts Double Teaming
@@AlldaylongRock welp, if I am not wrong even magnitude t from lvl 31 dugrio can one shot most if not every single one of surge's pokemon as long as you don't have a trash nature
Cheren is a Run Killer imo.
He has Work Up for setting up to sweep, Bite for flinching issues, has no real weaknesses (Riolu and Mareep are rare in only one area at the time, Counter doesn't deal STAB or Super Effective damage and Paralysis is luck-based) and, in Challenge mode, has an Oran Berry along with an extra Pidove.
Yeah, this is the one thing I think he got truly wrong, otherwise the list is pretty good. Lilipup with STAB Tackle, Work Up and decent attack for this early in the game deals a ton of damage to everything.
Honestly I dont think he should of put the first gym of B&W 1 in free either. Again has work up, berries and a lillipup with STAB tackle. Idk how you can rank any gen 6 or 8 gym leader higher than any gen 5 gym leader tbh. You dont get enough options in gen 5 games, and the gym leaders generally have competent move pools capable of actually doing serious damage. That he ranked Olympia as tough in a game with free mega lucario, lapras and kanto starters whilst ranking certain gen 5 gyms so lowly is laughable.
If you have tepig it’s so free coz u can set up defence curl and ez win but if other starters you can struggle
Cheren is specifically a run killer because you're so limited in early game. Like the fuck are you doing to cheren with an azuril patrat sewwadle encounter?
@@Idjardine0805 Except, not really, because he can nullify your Defence Curls with Work Up, which he'll usually use. Or he can just outspeed and Flinch you with Bite.
The first time i played bw2 i didnt even know i was in a gym battle with roxie until i was given a badge
WTF
lmaooo
Did you play with the music off and not pay attention?
"GYM LEADER ROXIE WANTS TO BATTLE"
Huh, this a weird random fight.
To be fair poison types were the worst until gen 6
Cheren is absolutely a run killer: I know because he once wiped me SEVEN TIMES IN A ROW.
The things that make him so difficult is you wont be going in with a full team, a lack of super effective options with a 5% chance Riolu being your only chance short of over leveling Tepig until it evolves, a severe lack of Trainer EXP beforehand meaning that you would need to grind for HOURS on low level mons on the ranch, stab tackle boosted by work-up, plus berries: Cheren is just designed to give you a hard time from the start.
lmao a guy solo'd it with sewaddle once
Cheren is free if you know how to play the game
@Not LeshanaJr yeah unless you don’t get sewaddle considering you have 3 encounters coming up to that fight (not including starter). 1 of the routes you can only get patrat or purloin. It has a 35% chance on route 20 and it’s not in the ranch at all. So sure if you get it, it can be easy but you are not guaranteed one. If you also don’t get the riolu in the ranch then it can definitely be a tough fight.
Riolu can't even learn Fighting type moves before the cap 💀
Neither can Tepig evolve
Cheren is a nightmare with hardcore nuzlocke rules
@@TunaBear64 If you're bad at the game yes. Otherwise he's pretty easy. You have to paralyse using a mareep which kills his pokemon's speed and can prevent his Pokemons from moving at times and that's all that matters. Of course if you spam the best move of starter like a kid it will be hard
Also about blane being free. You literally need a water type to get to his gym.
His arcanine can crit you though and you'd be able to die
Isn't Cinnabar where you revive the fossils at? You can just get a Pokémon that quad resists fire right there...
@@racoonmaster5713 yeah at level 5
@@eumorpha876 Oh, they're only level 5? That's... very tragic, to say the least, that's nasty.
Still, they're Water/Rock, so just doing a lot of grinding with that one Pokémon would almost guarantee you're safe. Would be a way more boring solution I guess, but still a pretty safe one.
Weirdly enough, you do not need a water type to get to Cinnabar. You just need a pokemon with Surf.
Dratini, Dragonair, Dragonite, Lickitung, Snorlax, Rhydon, Nidoqueen, Nidoking, and Kangaskhan all are Surfers, which mean you don't necessarily need a Water type, but I mean, Tentacool and Staryu are pretty easily found on the way over...
PC: “Turns out grass types also just kinda suck”
Also PC: The hardest gym is mallow
So is Lurantis Grass/Bug? I always though it was straight bug type.
@@yoink297 It's actually pure grass
@@cinansnickem228 That makes actually no sense LMAO
@@yoink297 It makes perfect sense when you consider what they were trying to do with it
In the real world, there's insects that look like plants. So, in the pokémon world, there's plants that look like insects. Read the dex entries
@@cinansnickem228 pure grass doesnt make sense grass/bug does
Whitney for sure might be easy for nuzlockers, but then you watch Werster's speedruns and see her being the run killer so often there, it's kinda funny
And never from the cow
I feel the same with Misty's Starmie killing gen one speed runs.
Since every run has a Nidoking named A, some bad RNG sends you all the way to the start.
Because in a speedrun, you can't use your time to be good enough, you have to instantly rush trough the Gym without grinding
@@MrNachtara
I have no idea how people can even do nuzlocke speedruns.
Whitney always felt easy with good encounters, but if your encounters are trash...stomp will 2-shot your team so gl
I feel like I was the only idiot kid that struggled on Candice for literal days before realizing Torterra was 4 x weak to her 😂
B r o HAHAHAHAHHAHA same
I had that issue, but Rapidash was being used to mainly take her down and it didn't WORK
I remember fighting her as a kid and one of my pokemon knew sheer cold. When I first played platinum I didn't realize the accuracy of a move mattered.
All I saw was a move that could one shot anything without fail and thought the best way to beat her was to use sheer cold and nothing else. It took me days to realize it was a bad idea.
All of Candice’s Pokémon were easy for me...except FROSLASS. The only strategy I could come up with was spamming bite with Luxray, using hyper potions over and over again so that Froslass runs out of Blizzards, and then switching to Steelix to tank for Luxray as I heal it up. All my other Pokémon had fainted.
@@BoneChill8118 I'm over here with a Fire Blast Rapidash, just PRAYING it worked. Didn't ever occur to me to use a sand stream mon.
If you have one reasonably defensive Poison or Steel type, Opal becomes completely free
Some of her personal questions can trip up first timers, but if you know the answers, she hands you the win on a Soul Silver platter
You also can get many Pokemon strong against her at that point, non of them bad, including: corviknight, weezing, toxtricity, the copperajah if you accidentally bump into it because it didn’t appear soon enough, perserkerr, durant and even klink (you can get klang if overleveling)
Which most of them are, because poison and steel are meant to be defensive typings
I’d say her mawhile is still kindof scary, it was atleast a counter to my toxtricity when I was nuzlocking
I feel like your underestimating cheren. Tackle is excellent and if he gets a work up or two off and the trainer can’t cleanly 2 shot the fight can spiral outta control. Also in the challenge mode Oran berry lilipup can get free work ups and clobber you if you aren’t ready for it. It can beat down inexperienced runners who aren’t ready for work up tackles
With tepig it’s free because you just defended curl twice and then tackle till the end
@@calebvandartel4149 A worked up crit tackle will ohko through def curl tho
Wow, your youtube intro is getting better 😂😂
Marginally
and the outro as well
"PC: I'm no good at outros,"
Now here we are
Not to be confused with Wolfey's though, the best YouTubist intro.
Once he stops saying best nuzlocker in the world at least
5:28 - Hoenn ; Gen 3
9:40 - GSC ; Gen 2
12:59 - X & Y ; Gen 6
15:00 - Kanto ; Gen 1
18:32 - Sinnoh ; Gen 4
20:19 - B & W ; Gen 5
You put Opal at meh when literally answering her very basic easy question gives you some form of FREE buff lol
I think the problem is if you answer wrong the opposite happens
@@bigbosshonchkrow625 but the answers are pretty basic
@@jadduck i got the question wrong when she asked how old she was lol
Walrus 5 I didn’t know that one either. That’s why I opened google and searched for the answer. You’d prepare in advance to see which pokemon a trainer uses, why wouldn’t you prepare in advance for this?
@@jadduck because it takes the unique flavor out of a gym battle in an already incredibly easy game....
He meh'd Cheren.... a true run killer.... unless you over level, you're gonna have a bad time. Even with tepig. A normal type gym leader is already rough, but he's the first gym leader which is even tougher.
And on challenge mode he has a flying type Mon. Rip Pignite and Riolu.
@@MrSupersonic2012 You can't even get pignite if you're doing level caps, and Riolu is a 5% encounter, Cheren doesn't really have any counters at that stage of the game
@@watcherknight8760 That's why I said RIP Pignite and Riolu. Even IF you can get them by not playing with Level Caps or if you get lucky, it's still a hard fight.
@@watcherknight8760 Even if you manage to catch a Riolu, it doesn't have any Fighting Types moves that actually deal Super Effective Damage before that Level Cap.
Counter is the only Fighting Type move it gets and it's insanely risky.
@@manyachievables Sure if you're a bad player and spam the A button all the times he's going to be hard but if you use a mareep to paralyse his pokemons like average players he's going to be an absolute pushover. Like I've never lost to Cheren.
Yo I know this has probably been said, but I've done a lot of gen 5 nuzlockes so I'll just say why I think this.
Cheren is definitely run killer at that stage in the game. Work up is a constant threat against your pokemon with no setup, level 12 doesn't let any pokemon come online no matter what starter you've chosen, and you only get a few encounters due to towns being practically locked for them until later. You lack type variety outside of your starter, and although you do get access to riolu technically, neither help you much offensively or defensively bc it doesn't even get fighting type moves at that stage if you're using level cap and is a relatively rare encounter in the ranch (5%). The worst part is that you can't prep for it really because you don't have the resources to do much outside of giving your pokemon oran berries and hoping for the best. And once he gets 1 or more work ups online, you just have to pray he doesn't decide to attack and wipe you. Ironically, it's the only way to really counter him, by playing around his set up moves and killing his pokemon while they're setting up. Extremely scary fight though, probably one of the tougher gym leaders if you have level cap or didn't pick tepig. Not to mention Challenge mode, which includes a pidove to counter any fighting types you bring (assuming you aren't using level cap) and an oran berry on his scariest pokemon; Lillipup, which is now level 14, super tough at that stage in the game. One of the only listed "counters" to his team is growling the pokemon who are setting up and hoping they get behind on set up moves/abusing their AI to attack while they set their attack back up.
Also, Elesa is harder then people think due to there being no true counter for her outside of sandile or sandshrew with a rock type move (which needs to be sandshrew in challenge mode bc Joltik owns you with x scizzor otherwise). If you don't get one of those pokemon or they somehow die before the gym, which is rare bc they are common encounters but can still happen, you are royally fucked. Also, with sandile you have dig or sand tomb, the former being heavily exploitable bc she will switch manually into emolga, meaning you have to kill it first before just sweeping through with it which is really hard considering your options to do so, and the latter is just way too weak at 35 BP, although it will completely prevent her from switching her mons which can be nice. If you use a grass type, you'll be fine in normal mode outside of flame charge on zeb, but not in challenge mode bc emolga gets aerial ace and joltik exists again. Pursuit and zebstrika are also scary w/ flame charge and quick attack can snipe inexperienced player's low health mons if they're not careful. I'd say middle high of tough bc noob killer for sure.
Sorry this was so long, I just know some stuff about nuzlockes in gen 5 and thought I'd share my personal opinions on some things.
If you do get a riolu, you technically also get a lucario, and lucario makes that gym free, so it's basically trying to roll for a riolu.
@@henriquepacheco7473 You can't get lucario by that point if you're using level caps, nor can you get a fighting type move on riolu outside of counter, which isn't reliable in it of itself due to the AI liking to spam Work up until they can kill you. But if you're playing casually or without level caps, yeah it can roll the gym. Still a very hard gym for that point in the game IMO, especially challenge mode.
@@greyscaleadaven Riolu doesn't evolve by level, it evolves by happiness; so, you *can* get Lucario. You just need to walk in circles for a while to grind up that happiness. Even without a fighting STAB move, Lucario can just kinda roll the gym on account of overwhelming stats and a normal resist.
@@henriquepacheco7473 Oh fuck I thought it evolved at lvl 25 or something what is wrong with my game knowledge sometimes istg, that's so broken early game, but still a 5% chance in a nuzlocke isn't reliable enough to consider that a legitimate strategy. But hey if you get it that's pretty good. Other then that niche case though, still a very hard early game fight that kills runs quite consistently. Like I've done a lot of Gen 5 nuzlockes and I've never actually gotten to use a Riolu in a run before.
I recently finished a BW2 challenge mode hardcore nuzlocke run and I 100% agree with everything you said here. Cheren is an absolute menace, you get a bad encounter like Psyduck and your run might be over from that alone depending on the AI. I also agree that Elesa can be really tough, if you have some decent luck with encounters there are things like Magneton that wall 3/4 of her Pokémon and Sandshrew/Sandslash as you mentioned will be MVP here. If you also don't know what she's Volt Switching into it can be annoying to play around as well, since your Pokémon are most definitely going to be slower than her Emolga and Zebstrika.
Bruh, Claire is such a run killer. That Kingdra Smokescreens, forcing you to switch, and then hit the thing that comes out with a move 120 power or more. You NEED to plan for it
Ok but Juan's Kingdra tho... He's not strong but goddamn if rng wants to fuck you over
@@zanwrightmfwr756 Very true. I usually get really lucky with that thing. If it had any stronger moves, it'd be trouble
i just swept it with zam cuz i was so scared of it. just pp stalled the gyara so azam oculd set up 6 calm minds and a substitute on it.
“The snapping turtle.” We don’t talk about that one lol.
Cheren is super scary, especially with level caps. You have super few options, and work ups can hit hard early in the game.
I was going to say that Roark doesn't belong in the "free" tier because of cranidos' massive attack stat but apparently chimchar evolves at 14 so no matter who you chose you have type advantage. I just always remembered pursuit and headbutt on cranidos was tough at that low of level.
I gotta admit, for me, Gen 5 has the most run killers
The early Lilipups always land a crit after getting a few Work Ups
When I played Shining Pearl I wiped twice: Once after my first attempt at fighting Cynthia, and…once after Roarks Cranidos headbutt-flinched my team to death. It’s definitely not “tough” but with some hax and low prep Roark can fuck you up, should at least be in meh imo
Cheren is a run killer for sure especially with the level cap and if you get a bad encounter at the ranch
You struggle against a young adult and his puppy, pathetic
@@babycow8118 i mean a puppy that can kill a full grown lion but yeah
True...
man, I remember doing a b2 nuzlock, lost some good pokes to eliza and then losing everything except my heracross to clay. I thought I was doomed against skylar, since all I had left was ether weak to flying or a ducklet...but then I caught a zebstriker in the grass just outside her gym. thanks 1.21, you saved the run.
Comeback of the century omg
Dude for real, I was prepared for the Ribombee, but it still ended up killing my um run because of quiver dance. I've gone far enough to always name my Ribombees Thanatos.
I think Lana’s Araquanid in USUM is a run killer tbh. Araquanid in the rain is actually pretty terrifying
Agreed, especially if you chose litten which is probably the best option cause intimidate Inceniroar is amazing.
@@enderstrikegaming8578 yeah but since it's a starter it has blaze
I think you can defeat that thing with a decent flying type paired with Flyinium Z (If you ban Z moves then it can be a run killer)
Araquanid's stats are too meh though only a crit can clap you
@@kishlayjha5434 I do ban Z moves
0:20 HOW DID HE KNOW
All I care about is Mellow being the hardest. That Lurantis on either game is scary when you’re unprepared. Sun strats that early in the game is difficult.
I feel like way more of the bw2 gym leaders on challenge mode are run killers. I remember elesa being particularly brutal.
"clair is meh"
Me: *remembering the nuzlocke where she got a sniper crit on my ampharos and swept my team*
The foe's Kingdra used Hyper Beam!
A critical hit!
The Yeetle fainted!
@@heinzdoofenshmirtz8643 Poor RT!
@Swagster 1000 unfortunately, it does have Sniper in HGSS
yeah idk why clair is so low here. there's a 1/16 chance each turn her kingdra just obliterates your mon
Cheren imo is definitely a run killer. You can't go into this fight without a strategy to counter his lillipup without over levelling. Riolu is great but in nuzlockes there is little hope to finding one.
Or you're bad
@@Somefatguyification Why you gotta call me out like that :(
But since I've written this comment and replayed them a few times I didn't find him as hard as I used to so it just boils down to experience
@@Somefatguyification "or you're bad" - a person who overleveled it's riolu to get force palm and sweep him
Hey Jan, I cant seem to match timezones for your live streams so just wanted to say, love your videos and keep it up! Probably my favourite Poketuber. Also Lenora in Blaze Black was hell for me :(
Mallow's Lurantis is the prove that Sun & Moon isn't as easy as people think.
Meh, it has some HUGE run killers that people underestimate, but after grass trial I feel like it's not too bad really. USUM THO, it has the dumb fairy trial with the totem mon with quiver dance that can one shot and sweep your team, and ultra necrozma just fucks your shit no matter what.
@@seal0_ yeah
@@seal0_ Us normal players: *Stare in horror*
Nuzlockers: It's beautiful!
Bea nearly wiped out my team and I wasn’t even doing a nuzlocke.
I've actually cheesed Morty with Mirror move in soulsilver on a fearow. I don't recall the exact circumstance of how, but since mirror move is a non-attack that makes an attack it somehow works.
If some ghost type has shadow ball then it's supper effective
@@soulhoney1908 tho we can outspeed or crit but you my soooooo
Nice
To clarify sucker punch was related. some weird interaction. sucker punch would go first, but since fearow wasn't using an attacking move it fails, then fearow uses mirror move and sucker punch smacks morty in the face.
@@giraffedragon6110 Morty's Gengar actually straight up can't hit normal types, so that might have played a role too
I've been loving your tier lists lately!
Marlon and Bugsy were always free to me. Unless you are intentionally under leveled there are way too many options to deal with them.
I think the issue is that no one expects Bugsy to have anything good cause he’s a bug leader and only the second in the roster.
Like pc said though, it has solar blade and the sun is up, I can imagine you changing the weather with like a pelipper but apart from that it seems pretty hard
I subbed like a week ago when you were on 80k, you're growing so fast man, keep it up!
Am I the only one that had a horrible time fighting Clair? Her Kingdra's weak to dragon but there's almost zero dragon pokemon. Plus her ability means that a crit will almost guarantee a death at full health. She took out 4/6 of my team lol
@Alexander LeBlanc she does, but her ace kingdra is the scariest. Dragonairs can be sketchy because they are the same level but with different moves, so you don't know which one's which though
@Alexander LeBlanc I thought she had 3
Me too, I definitely think she's one of the hardest. Her Kingdra is just so hard to take out and there's no fairy types to use
If you are playing hg/ss try a swarm scyther with uturn. As sson as you go down to a tthird you are gonna do a pretty good chunk on each attack
Winona is a run killer.
Me: *laughs in Sharpedo with Ice Beam*
Honestly she is easy when you have ice beam
Or swampert with ice beam and sometimes gardevoir with thudershock
@@odelainecfereirab866 thundershock????
@@odelainecfereirab866 It can't learn Thunder Shock.
Besides, that won't do as much good against Altaria, which is the sole reason why Winona is considered a run killer.
@@Laki071 Meant Thunderbolt, probably.
Funkily enough your intro actually was spot on and prompted me to subscribe. Thanks for inspiring me to start a nuzlocke with me brother!
Been watching since 12k. Great to see so much growth lately. Keep up the great work. :)
ME: Fails to know everyone's name in my Biology Class.
ALSO ME: Knows all Gym Leaders and their Pokemons. 😂😂😭
Oof, same
Gotta remember the important things in life
Same, I haven't played gen 8 yet but I know the rest of them lol
Names are different in different languages.
_Yeah._
Haha lol ive been seeing you everywhere in my recommended, your content is godlike subbed
Just found your channel today, really loving everything I've seen. Much love ❤️
18:45 "I don't see anyone dying to that lucario" cut to bdsp where that lucario is an actual run killer
Gen 3 Brawly was the toughest gym leader I've ever come up against in any generation. Of course, I was coming into a new game with no knowledge back then, and stubbornly refusing to catch a Tailow, but I was completely locked in that gym. In gen 3 you can't leave Dewford town without beating the gym, so I was forced to grind in the cave for a hope of getting through his team without everything being OHKOd. Imagine my surprise when I find Sableye, which after catching it I learn is not in fact a rock type, but a ghost. My brand new Sableye sweeps his entire team, who don't have anything other than normal and fighting moves.
Pretty sure once you talk to Steven you can sail to Slateport or back to Petalburg, so you’re not really stuck there.
PLaying through Soul Silver right now and I can confirm that Bugsy's Scyther gave me a lot more trouble than I thought it would. U-turn and Quick attack did a startling amount of damage, even after random burn from Quilava's ember.
hope your doing great, and thx for the tips of which gym leaders to watch out
bro you the goat im making sure i was here at 40k nd ong i thought you had more when i first saw your channel
I actually agree with you for whitney, my plan was mud slap, a TM you’re required to get because it’s from faulkner and it just worked
Juan: Run Killer exclusively because he has a Kingdra.
Claire: Meh despite her Kingdra.
Seems legit.
The difference between their Kingdra is of day and night.
I am a strong advocate that Cheren is a pretty difficult fight:
He has 2 main things going for him.
The first is the very small pool of Pokémon you get before his fight. You can get 3 (plus starter) Pokémon before you have to face cheren to access more. One of them is a guaranteed patrat or purrloin. The other 3 could be as bad as sunkern and azurill. I will not say that you will always have a bad team going into the fight but most likely you will need to have done serious grinding for all your mons.
The second is his team's unique strengths. Cheren has only 2 Pokémon, a level 11 patrat and a level 13 lilipup. These two on their own aren't too scary, but it boils down to them specifically in Cheren's hands. Not only does the level scaling climb pretty fast before his fight, but he utilizes his TM move that is not in the learn set, workup. This move unlike most other moves you get from gym leaders is horrific. It allows for both Cheren's mons to setup attack boosts for even more damage off of stab tackle. Meaning that you cannot attack this guy with one mon only, as a turn you spend to heal is one he most certainly will utilize to boost. The scariest part of this though is because of his lilipup. It has a very high speed stat and if allowed to outrun you, it can put you in a 2 shot zone for all of your mons.
Despite this, he is a very achievable fight, given you have access to oran berries, unburden purrlion, and starters that can all do great things for the fight. But given you need to understand quite a few things, grind up for quite a lot of time, and have a game plan to ensure you won't get swept or bashed by the fight, I would say that makes Cheren a very formidable fight.
Isn't Cheren in B2W2? Where in the ranch before his fight, you get a riolu with force palm that you scam happiness and make it a lucario, or the mareep that has both thundershock, static and cotton guard by level 11?
Yes, however not only are those 2 encounters only in the same area, both are in a very large pool of Pokémon you can get, with riolu being rather rare. Though getting a riolu or Mareep will certainly make your life much easier, it is not guaranteed.
Just watched this and decided to subscribe duder. I like watching your comments on nuzlocke runs.
Allister is tough, even when I had a level 40 team, it was still really hard to beat. Melony was probably in meh or free because ice sucks, but her lapras is super bulky with the hp boost
The thing thats scary about Melony is that Darmanitan slaps and AFTER you deal with that monster then you have to break through Lapras
So agree with Allister. His gengar is so annoying and powerful. It swept every single pokemon on my team in 1 hit.
I wiped to opal
If you didn’t have an entire wild area and route to go through allister’s team and it’s levels would make sense, but the way it is makes it so easy, especially if you get a zigzagoon early or choose Rillaboom which has knock off
Tbh melony can be difficult with the free aurora veil she sets up, if her gym was a double battle like Raihans I could really see her becoming a run killer. Who knows perhaps in extra hard versions of shield this wil happen
Elesa was the most difficult for me. You can get a ground type, but that only works on Zebstrika, so as soon as you try to use a ground-type move, boom, it's an emolga that's immune. Besides, the two rock-types available for her Emolga are also weak to electric-types. BW Elesa is a nightmare, personally worse than Whitney(Note: My team was whirlipede, timburr, servine, sandile, tranquill and archen)
PC: expects people to disagree
His TH-cam viewers: agree completely
You are like one of the very few poketubers that I actually like. You just earned a sub my friend
When I'm watching this video I'm doing a pokemon sun nuzlocke and I remembered that that freaking lurantis has almost ended my first nuzlocke, i survived with 2 pokemon (one of the four deaths was dead to turn one crit) but that fight was so rough
That fight is so cool
i was thinking skyla was a run killer or at least top of tough bc i used to struggle a ton with her, but thinking back i just never took advantage of the like 6ish electric types u can getnin the cave right before her fight
16:25
"Grass types also suck"
Mallow in the Run Killer tier: Am I a jkoe to you?
Part of what made Sabrina so tough in Gen 1 was that spec atk and phys atk were combined, and there was no Dark type, which made Psychics an OP typing in general for that Gen.
fun fact: Cheren is the only gym leader i lost to in BW2
Looks like I missed out something...
If you start with treecko you are pretty much helpless against Watson, I remember helping my friend when we were 12 against him, we had to use every single item my friend had to win against magneton by spamming cut on grovyle, that fight took like half an hour lol. On my last run on emerald I lost several times against his manetric, had to rely on luck to win using aaron.
New subscriber, thoroughly enjoying this content!
I dont play pokemon anymore, nor i tried playing a nuzlocke, but watching these vids are keeping my interest.
I was gonna ask where Steven was, but gosh dangit I forgot that my favorite character was either a Champion or post-game battle. XD
I feel vindicated for loving gen 7 so much now, thank you
gen 7 at least had some challenge compared to gen 8
Yeah, I always felt gen 6 was getting their feet wet with 3d and gen 7 was polishing everything up, including difficulty.
You dont deserve my subscription is what i though the first time i watched one of your videos. Yet somehow i always came back to watch them. Soooo. Subscribed xD.
Gardenia's Roserade with the magic leaf was pretty fucking tough for 9 yr old me with my sioux and grottle LMAO even my dad struggled! thought abt doing a nuzlocke with my pokemon diamond, bc I've never done one before but im so casual ive never prepared for a gym in my life😂 after finding your channel I really realized why I struggle so much bc I feel like preparing is cheating lmao but these videos have inspired me lol! great video, I personally wanted to kms whenever I fought any gen 5 gym leaders
Here's my thoughts on a couple of the gen 7 ones since those are what I have the most experience with:
The thing about Lana's trials (both Wishiwashi and Araquanid) is that if you have a plan, you'll probably be fine, but if a single thing goes wrong with that plan, you could easily wipe to either of them. I would say they go slightly higher than where you put them, but not by much. Araquanid can very easily be a run killer if you don't have one or two of a select few pokemon.
For Ilima's trials, Totem Gumshoos is decently difficult but isn't really a run killer from what I've experienced. Totem Raticate would be more difficult, except that they give you the Brick Break TM right before the battle, which is 4x supereffective, so the battle is free if you have a pokemon who can learn it by that point.
Hapu is very difficult and a potential run killer in SM, especially with level caps, but her battle isn't as bad in USUM (though still the toughest kahuna battle).
I feel like part of the difficulty is depending on the starter as Primerina can destroy all kahunas
By watching this we have very different playthrough experiences
Thank you for mentioning subscribing. I've been watching your videos for a week and didn't remember to do it till just now.
Could someone tell me where this outro song is from? it sounds like the hall of fame theme but I can't find this particular remix anywhere.
Lurantis is 100% a run killer. Even playing the game regularly, it took me five tries (Popplio starter. Hard to get quality fire types for this fight.)
I’m doing a Black 2 Hardcore Nuzlock for the first time, I’m coming up on the ground gym, I’ve never gotten this far and I don’t know how hard he is. I’m shook.
This was actually really informative
Question, how does the Level Cap rule work for the Kanto Gym Leaders in GSC/HGSS?
Janine has weaker Pokemon than the Elite Four after all, and you have to beat them before getting to her. And then the other Gyms can be done in any Order, all with pretty similar levels if I recall correctly. So, would you have to craft an entire team just for the Janine fight? And then you just kinda pick whatever hasn't overleveled yet for the other fights? They're essentially all weaker than Lance, now thatz I think about it. So there's essentially a changing Level Cap, shifting up or down depending on which Gym you're taking on? I guess that's how I would judge it.
Regardless, I'd probably consider them all free, except Blue at the end. You get access to all of Kanto before faving any of the Gym Leaders, so you have an abundance of options.
Pryce in Heartgold killed one of my runs, my magnetkne wasn't doing enough damage and ith had a rest + talk strategy, it just destroyed my team
1:25 "Washy"
You could say they're "Wishiwashi"....
*Let's self out*
I'm kinda very new to the channel and currently watching through your sword/shield nuzlocke and on part 25 you speak pretty good german.
Do you have german heritage or did you learn it later as a second language?
*Puts Elise in Tough Tier*
Good! She belongs there! Her Emolga’s Double Team is the absolute bane of me when I first played against her!!
I actually lost to Cheren very recently. Not at all inexperienced, just tried it with solo Mareep without items and no overlevelling. Going for a weird anime challenge and it really wasn’t an easy fight 😂
Bugsy is actually comepletely free in GSC. If you pick cyndaquil he literally can not touch you. Especially if you have a flying type or a geodude
This channel has been growing so fast
you gained a new sub
very cool content
When you're so early and you have nothing to say but you grace the comment section with your presence anyway
That's a fuckin' mood
More like:
When you're so early but you don't wanna comment "first" so you make a *definitely very unique and original* regard about your presence or some shit
That was poetry
@@AD_Nelson idk I feel pretty graced
The Machop before Whitney’s gym almost feels like cheating. It makes her totally a breeze and getting past the trainers takes more time than the actual battle. Even without the trade, she’s a lot easier than people think.
I’ve never done that trade and I’ve never lost to her. I didn’t even know it was there for a long time tbh. My go to is a female butterfree with status spam so she either can’t heal or has to waste turns healing while my starter sets up or something.
Paigey-poo doing one trade seems a lot more convenient than training up a butterfree tho lol
@@paigey-poo4235 I beat her with the fire Starter and used the TM you got from the first gym
It's because she's really luck-based sometimes. I feel like she can either be nearly completely free or end your run. It just depends on how many Defense Curls + Milk Drinks she uses before she starts Rollout-ing. Even resisted, I don't think there's much at that point that wants to take the turn 5 rollout, especially if she managed to actually use the Defense Curl + Rollout combo. This is coming from the original GSC, though, where wild encounters are so low leveled that properly raising to her level can be a chore and you might not want to do it.
If we're talking about HGSS, you can also get a Heracross. Has Guts and learns Brick Break right at the level cap if I remember correctly.
dude youre so close to 100k! nice!
Clair should be higher up. Her Kingdra is such a pain to fight, with Sniper any crit can easily be a death and it's bulky and basically has no weaknesses, so can be a true pain to take out. There's basically no dragon types (no fairy types too) to take advantage of, so you're left spamming whatever neutral moves you can. The mid game awful level curve in HGSS makes preparing for her fight a pain too. The Gyarados and Dragonairs are relatively easy if you have the right team members, but can easily cause deaths if you didn't get lucky with encounters
Honestly kabu’s centiscorch can really mess you up if you dont have a good water type like drednaw or gyrados
Ilima's trial gives you the TM for Brick Break before you even encounter the thing. It's a free win if you have anything that can learn it.
Big "if" though.
@@paulnewton2284 Not that big, considering that you have access to Pikachu, Makuhita, Pikipek, and Crabrawler at that point.
Can you please share your VBA settings and how you let it make looks good in fullscreen?
Fun fact!
You can beat Clay in BW2 (at least in white 2, idk if mandibuzz also works for this) with only guaranteed encounters, here’s how:
There is a stationary Braviary on route 4 on mondays and guaranteed Drilbur in charge stone cave dust clouds, both of which can be obtained before the driftveil gym
in order to make this work you must ev train the Drilbur/Excadril at least in speed so it can out speed clay’s Excadril. In my opinion the best place to ev train is on route 19, which only has Patrat and Purrloin, which give 1 atk and 1 speed ev respectively.
Lead with Braviary against his Krokorok, you can outspeed and ohko with strength or return. Clay will then send in Excadril Because he sees the rock slide kill on Braviary, you can switch into your Excadril for free, outspeed, and one shot his Excadril with dig or earthquake. He will then send out Sandslash which you can switch back into Braviary and kill easily.