What I like about how they set up the rivalry between Megatron and Optimus is after seeing Orion resurrected with matrix he says “this isn’t over Prime.” Which is of course what megatron always calls him in the other series but more importantly it shows thats all he sees him as now a prime. just another untrustworthy false prophet. Like he said he’ll never trust any leader again.
That and D didn't know Orion new Name like how Orion don't know D new name After their Rebirth being Megatron and Optimus Prime They never say each other name during the conflict Meg did say Prime But that is a Titles
I dont personally agree the movie needed more time to show D-16's fall, honestly the red flags of D-16's repressed anger are right there from the start, any time he banters with Orion during the first quarter of the movie its a violent threat that we on a first viewing just pass off as friendly banter but in hindsight show some pretty clear signs of D-16's overall frustration with not just the system he exists in but his best friend's innocent insensitivity. Beyond that D-16's rapid fall into extremism comes from his repressed anger, at first he put up with the injustice and kept his head down because he thought one of his two idols was going to find the matrix and all that suffering would be worth it once the energon started flowing again. Only to be shown not only had sentinel lied to him and every other cogless bot up until that point, he stole their ability to make their own choices by literally stealing a piece of their bodies at birth. Suddenly all that anger he had built up over the cycles had nothing to keep it check anymore and worse off he was suddenly given the power to actually fight back when Alpha Trion gave him his T-Cog, his encounter with the highguard also saw him be cheered on for the first time in his life while committing violence, sudden he was in control and he clearly liked that feeling. Everything just going down hill from there as Sentinel brands and mocks him to his face while Orion despite the best intentions only keeps getting in his way that only serves to anger him further with comparing his actions to Sentinel's while true was absolutely the last thing D-16 needed to hear at that point and was the straw that broke the cybertronian camel's back.
His actions aren't like Sentinal at all! At least D-16 wanted what was best for Cybertron, at least he was a good person at heart lead astray by being consumed by his anger and hatred. Sentinal had bad intentions, didn't want what was best for Cybertron at all.
I disagree with Sentinel being a bad villain. He’s a great character, and made to be a piece of crap in the first place. And if you think about it, he did some horrendous things to his fellow cybertronians.
@@jayfilms99 But how he achieved it and how far he is willing to go. That makes him dangerous. Plus he becomes a villain because being a hero is boring. He’s a Cyberlander
@@jayfilms99true that, we have seen villains like these before, overall Sentinel is vanilla but his methods along with his ego makes him a villain that is doing a job, to get the audience to hate him, no redemption, he pushed it and John Hamm voice execution is top notch. For me personally Sentinel has never been the main focus anyway, the biggest focus was Orion and D16 relationship and Sentinel Prime is the trigger. Sentinel Prime is not a bad villain, he is just vanilla
Transformers is such a peak franchise. People usually don't perceive outside of Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Megatron, and a bunch of other transforming robots, but there are so many cool other characters that haven't been properly explored and utilized yet. If you think Megatron is a great villain, just wait until you find out about Starscream, Shockwave, Scorponok, Sixshot, Overlord, Nova Prime, Unicron, the Quintessons, the Dark Universe, D-Void, Violengiguar, and Predacon Megatron (a separate character who is just as cool as the og Megatron). And those are just the antagonists.
Honestly I feel like that would be sick to explore some more characters. I feel like they tried every so slightly with Pete Davidson Transformer in Rise of Beasts
I think Sentinel is a great villain because he’s just pure evil and fully embraces it. Sometimes it’s refreshing to have a villain that isn’t just misunderstood
The straight evil ones also contrast pretty well with other villains. Like Megatron who rather than "is misunderstood" is rather the person who didn't understand Orin Pax, Elita, they all went through the same things he did, of not to some extent worse, yet he drew all the very different conclusions from what he did and they drew those different conclusions well before meeting the High Guard.
Which is the best way to achieve safety and security? D16 seems vulnerable. He is driven by fear and then, later, anger. He has never counted on anyone to ensure his safety, except perhaps Pax occasionally. As events unfolded, he ultimately decided he could entrust his safety to no one but himself. And anyone pretending to do so was an enemy that needed to be eliminated. Even Pax, with his repeated misadventures could no longer be trusted. This impulsive decision is fast, rash, and mainly driven by the limited reasoning afforded by emotions. Pax always believed in others and was driven by curiosity and hope. He quite often put his safety in the hands of others. In response to Sentinel's betrayal, rather than taking all responsibility of safety to himself, he yet again entrusted it to even more of his people. The decision seems fast, but it is patient and is supported by a lot of reasoning 'rebuilding cannot be done starting with an execution'. Megatron's rationalizations are after the decision, come from a deeply vulnerable nature, and support his tyrannical behavior. This is a different Megatron. He isn't a permanently wounded narcissist who justified his pursuit of megalomania through class warfare like in the comics -- this is a bot that was abused and never recovered, who needed a Prime before there was a Prime, who needed a Machine God that could only withhold as a means of protecting. And in response he now leads the disillusioned like himself the only way he knows how. For those he leads he likely does care a degree for their wellbeing but simultaneously judges them for not securing their own safety on their own, and any missteps would only remind him of his old brother Pax -- a liability and usurper of power. Trapped by his own fear, anger and resentment, his only escape would be to surrender to powerlessness, to a parental figure that would repair all that failed before. But the one could do that? Chopped his cannon off and banished him. That's the tragedy of giving people choices in life. He was given the power. He chose.
D-16 was frustrated at Orion because of Orions Adventurist personality that got both of them in trouble, d-16 was always the one to pull his friend out trouble and he wanted to live a normal life he didn’t want to learn the truth and he blamed Orion for that, he’s also revenge driven, and HE literally says "I will never listen to a so called leader ever again" and what Orion do? Tell what to do, he tells d to not kill sentinel and starscream
Hard disagree of your handwaving of Sentinel. He's a major reason why the D-16/Megatron development was so good and his despicable actions and performance by John Hamm elevates it big time. Not every villain needs to be relatable. The hero is only as good as the villain and in this case, it is especially true.
@@jayfilms99 You and I have very different definitions of villain. The worst thing Megatron did in this movie was drop Orion into the abyss. He's barely a villain in this movie, that title goes to Sentinel. Megatron steers most closely to anti-hero on the first steps of villainy. Is Megatron a good villain? No. Is he a fantastic antagonist? Yes.
A good analysis video. 👌 I would like to ask you if you could do a video on a NDS game called Transformers Decepticons. It is a movie tie-in game based on the 2007 film but unlike the movie the game the different take on the story unlike the film and actually gives the decepticon cast actual personalities like Barricade(voiced by Keith David) is like this smooth detective, Brawl who is a playful dare devil or Blackout who is this cool intelligent guy. I recommend reviewing the game based on it's cutscenes.
Lol I remember banging out that game for so long, some of those missions were brutal man, but if you're lookin for a review, there's already one on youtube (I'm sure you know)
I feel like the pacing of TfOne was intentional. It gives D too little time to process the truth, and come up with a solution like put Sentinel on trial for crimes against Cybertron, then execute him. Or lock him away forever. It also means that Orion doesn’t have the time to properly dissuade D-16 from killing Sentinel without trying him.
My only complaint on that, is that they needed to slow down the pacing when it was just Orian Pax, show that he was thinking everything through and he was able to process and think things through. But it may have been due to budgetary constraints, either in the animation department or limits with the scriptwriters and VA's.
I dunno I think Sentinel Prime was a great villain for the movies premise, sure his motivations and goals are a bit basic but not all villains need ultra complex nuance to be good.
I feel like Sentinel is a great villain, by being a return to form of villains being pure evil. A pure evil villain doesn’t have to be one dimensional. Sentinel wanted all the power of a Prime and none of the responsibility of a Prime. No tragic backstory, no redeeming qualities, no likeable traits. And Sentinel works because he’s just that evil. When his treason against the Primes and Cybertron as a whole are revealed, as well as his mass mutilation of unborn miners, you are rooting for D-16 to fulfill his promise to make Sentinel march through the mines in chains, so everyone can see him for the false Prime he is, so he can suffer and die in darkness. Even if it cements his transformation into Megatron, you are cheering as D-16 rips this false Prime in half. And there are parallels with Sentinel to real world villains, elites who disenfranchise entire sectors of the population and slowly but surely doom us all for selfish gain. Real world villains are the worst kind of villains. If Sentinel was an openly evil tyrant who twirls his moustache and ties beautiful girls to railroads, he wouldn’t be even half as despicable as the one we got. But Sentinel is one of those guys who would hear Jesus preach to give to the needy, dismiss it as “woke nonsense”, and betray and kill Jesus and all his disciples. And then not have the decency to off himself, and proceed to claim to be a fourteenth disciple and mutilate unborn children to make them work as slaves. And Sentinel works as a twist villain. Dark of the Moon already got us to mistrust Sentinel Prime, but at least the Sentinel in that movie had the survival of Cybertron as his objective, and was a villain due to his unscrupulous methods of guaranteeing his noble goals, while One Sentinel is motivated by sheer selfishness. One Sentinel is a twist villain because even seasoned veteran fans who know not to trust that guy end up underestimating the sheer bastardry of this iteration of Sentinel Prime. Honestly, the “turns out the villain is way more evil than we thought” plot twist is something I’ve grown to love. Long story short, Transformers One wouldn’t be as good of a film without its take on Sentinel Prime. It gives us the most evil iteration of the character, who has always been portrayed as a jerk at best and ruthless at worst. If Sentinel wasn’t pure evil in this film, if he had acted on some form of misguided altruism, if he had some genuine, likeable traits, he wouldn’t be as effective. It would become much harder to understand why D-16 became Megatron; and why Orion Pax became Optimus Prime as a response.
I forgot to shoutout @harrisonharper7078 for recommending Megatron
Nice guy before bad guy
What I like about how they set up the rivalry between Megatron and Optimus is after seeing Orion resurrected with matrix he says “this isn’t over Prime.” Which is of course what megatron always calls him in the other series but more importantly it shows thats all he sees him as now a prime. just another untrustworthy false prophet. Like he said he’ll never trust any leader again.
That and D didn't know Orion new Name like how Orion don't know D new name
After their Rebirth being Megatron and Optimus Prime
They never say each other name during the conflict
Meg did say Prime
But that is a Titles
I dont personally agree the movie needed more time to show D-16's fall, honestly the red flags of D-16's repressed anger are right there from the start, any time he banters with Orion during the first quarter of the movie its a violent threat that we on a first viewing just pass off as friendly banter but in hindsight show some pretty clear signs of D-16's overall frustration with not just the system he exists in but his best friend's innocent insensitivity.
Beyond that D-16's rapid fall into extremism comes from his repressed anger, at first he put up with the injustice and kept his head down because he thought one of his two idols was going to find the matrix and all that suffering would be worth it once the energon started flowing again. Only to be shown not only had sentinel lied to him and every other cogless bot up until that point, he stole their ability to make their own choices by literally stealing a piece of their bodies at birth.
Suddenly all that anger he had built up over the cycles had nothing to keep it check anymore and worse off he was suddenly given the power to actually fight back when Alpha Trion gave him his T-Cog, his encounter with the highguard also saw him be cheered on for the first time in his life while committing violence, sudden he was in control and he clearly liked that feeling.
Everything just going down hill from there as Sentinel brands and mocks him to his face while Orion despite the best intentions only keeps getting in his way that only serves to anger him further with comparing his actions to Sentinel's while true was absolutely the last thing D-16 needed to hear at that point and was the straw that broke the cybertronian camel's back.
His actions aren't like Sentinal at all! At least D-16 wanted what was best for Cybertron, at least he was a good person at heart lead astray by being consumed by his anger and hatred.
Sentinal had bad intentions, didn't want what was best for Cybertron at all.
I disagree with Sentinel being a bad villain. He’s a great character, and made to be a piece of crap in the first place. And if you think about it, he did some horrendous things to his fellow cybertronians.
True. But he only did those things to have power and that’s pretty boring to me
@@jayfilms99 this is the best written villain of 2024 this is my favorite version of megatron next to TFP
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But how he achieved it and how far he is willing to go. That makes him dangerous. Plus he becomes a villain because being a hero is boring. He’s a Cyberlander
@redalert923 best written? idk about that. Very good tho
@@jayfilms99true that, we have seen villains like these before, overall Sentinel is vanilla but his methods along with his ego makes him a villain that is doing a job, to get the audience to hate him, no redemption, he pushed it and John Hamm voice execution is top notch. For me personally Sentinel has never been the main focus anyway, the biggest focus was Orion and D16 relationship and Sentinel Prime is the trigger. Sentinel Prime is not a bad villain, he is just vanilla
Transformers is such a peak franchise. People usually don't perceive outside of Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Megatron, and a bunch of other transforming robots, but there are so many cool other characters that haven't been properly explored and utilized yet. If you think Megatron is a great villain, just wait until you find out about Starscream, Shockwave, Scorponok, Sixshot, Overlord, Nova Prime, Unicron, the Quintessons, the Dark Universe, D-Void, Violengiguar, and Predacon Megatron (a separate character who is just as cool as the og Megatron). And those are just the antagonists.
Honestly I feel like that would be sick to explore some more characters. I feel like they tried every so slightly with Pete Davidson Transformer in Rise of Beasts
@@jayfilms99live action movies don't do transformers justice. Watch some animated shows. They're all on TH-cam for free.
0:23, now that you said that, I want you to review Sentinel
1:48 correction: he wiped out the Primes. He isn't a Prime.
My b
Villains I would like to see…
Scorpious Rex (Jurassic World: Camp Cretaceous)
Nowhere King (Centaur World)
Rammatra (Overwatch)
I think Sentinel is a great villain because he’s just pure evil and fully embraces it. Sometimes it’s refreshing to have a villain that isn’t just misunderstood
The straight evil ones also contrast pretty well with other villains. Like Megatron who rather than "is misunderstood" is rather the person who didn't understand Orin Pax, Elita, they all went through the same things he did, of not to some extent worse, yet he drew all the very different conclusions from what he did and they drew those different conclusions well before meeting the High Guard.
Which is the best way to achieve safety and security? D16 seems vulnerable. He is driven by fear and then, later, anger. He has never counted on anyone to ensure his safety, except perhaps Pax occasionally. As events unfolded, he ultimately decided he could entrust his safety to no one but himself. And anyone pretending to do so was an enemy that needed to be eliminated. Even Pax, with his repeated misadventures could no longer be trusted. This impulsive decision is fast, rash, and mainly driven by the limited reasoning afforded by emotions.
Pax always believed in others and was driven by curiosity and hope. He quite often put his safety in the hands of others. In response to Sentinel's betrayal, rather than taking all responsibility of safety to himself, he yet again entrusted it to even more of his people. The decision seems fast, but it is patient and is supported by a lot of reasoning 'rebuilding cannot be done starting with an execution'.
Megatron's rationalizations are after the decision, come from a deeply vulnerable nature, and support his tyrannical behavior. This is a different Megatron. He isn't a permanently wounded narcissist who justified his pursuit of megalomania through class warfare like in the comics -- this is a bot that was abused and never recovered, who needed a Prime before there was a Prime, who needed a Machine God that could only withhold as a means of protecting. And in response he now leads the disillusioned like himself the only way he knows how. For those he leads he likely does care a degree for their wellbeing but simultaneously judges them for not securing their own safety on their own, and any missteps would only remind him of his old brother Pax -- a liability and usurper of power. Trapped by his own fear, anger and resentment, his only escape would be to surrender to powerlessness, to a parental figure that would repair all that failed before.
But the one could do that? Chopped his cannon off and banished him. That's the tragedy of giving people choices in life. He was given the power. He chose.
D-16 was frustrated at Orion because of Orions Adventurist personality that got both of them in trouble, d-16 was always the one to pull his friend out trouble and he wanted to live a normal life he didn’t want to learn the truth and he blamed Orion for that, he’s also revenge driven, and HE literally says "I will never listen to a so called leader ever again" and what Orion do? Tell what to do, he tells d to not kill sentinel and starscream
Will you do an analysis on Oz Cobb or Sophia Falcone from Penguin? I think they are magnificent characters and so interesting.
Great choices
Not everyone needs to be a sympathetic villain. Sentinel isn't boring, he's pretty great.
Hard disagree of your handwaving of Sentinel. He's a major reason why the D-16/Megatron development was so good and his despicable actions and performance by John Hamm elevates it big time. Not every villain needs to be relatable. The hero is only as good as the villain and in this case, it is especially true.
Is Sentinel important? Yes. Is he a good villain? No
@@jayfilms99 You and I have very different definitions of villain. The worst thing Megatron did in this movie was drop Orion into the abyss. He's barely a villain in this movie, that title goes to Sentinel. Megatron steers most closely to anti-hero on the first steps of villainy.
Is Megatron a good villain? No. Is he a fantastic antagonist? Yes.
A good analysis video. 👌
I would like to ask you if you could do a video on a NDS game called Transformers Decepticons. It is a movie tie-in game based on the 2007 film but unlike the movie the game the different take on the story unlike the film and actually gives the decepticon cast actual personalities like Barricade(voiced by Keith David) is like this smooth detective, Brawl who is a playful dare devil or Blackout who is this cool intelligent guy. I recommend reviewing the game based on it's cutscenes.
Lol I remember banging out that game for so long, some of those missions were brutal man, but if you're lookin for a review, there's already one on youtube (I'm sure you know)
He wasn’t a nerd Being a megatronus was like his idol
I feel like the pacing of TfOne was intentional. It gives D too little time to process the truth, and come up with a solution like put Sentinel on trial for crimes against Cybertron, then execute him. Or lock him away forever. It also means that Orion doesn’t have the time to properly dissuade D-16 from killing Sentinel without trying him.
My only complaint on that, is that they needed to slow down the pacing when it was just Orian Pax, show that he was thinking everything through and he was able to process and think things through. But it may have been due to budgetary constraints, either in the animation department or limits with the scriptwriters and VA's.
I dunno I think Sentinel Prime was a great villain for the movies premise, sure his motivations and goals are a bit basic but not all villains need ultra complex nuance to be good.
I feel like Sentinel is a great villain, by being a return to form of villains being pure evil. A pure evil villain doesn’t have to be one dimensional. Sentinel wanted all the power of a Prime and none of the responsibility of a Prime. No tragic backstory, no redeeming qualities, no likeable traits.
And Sentinel works because he’s just that evil. When his treason against the Primes and Cybertron as a whole are revealed, as well as his mass mutilation of unborn miners, you are rooting for D-16 to fulfill his promise to make Sentinel march through the mines in chains, so everyone can see him for the false Prime he is, so he can suffer and die in darkness. Even if it cements his transformation into Megatron, you are cheering as D-16 rips this false Prime in half. And there are parallels with Sentinel to real world villains, elites who disenfranchise entire sectors of the population and slowly but surely doom us all for selfish gain.
Real world villains are the worst kind of villains. If Sentinel was an openly evil tyrant who twirls his moustache and ties beautiful girls to railroads, he wouldn’t be even half as despicable as the one we got. But Sentinel is one of those guys who would hear Jesus preach to give to the needy, dismiss it as “woke nonsense”, and betray and kill Jesus and all his disciples. And then not have the decency to off himself, and proceed to claim to be a fourteenth disciple and mutilate unborn children to make them work as slaves.
And Sentinel works as a twist villain. Dark of the Moon already got us to mistrust Sentinel Prime, but at least the Sentinel in that movie had the survival of Cybertron as his objective, and was a villain due to his unscrupulous methods of guaranteeing his noble goals, while One Sentinel is motivated by sheer selfishness. One Sentinel is a twist villain because even seasoned veteran fans who know not to trust that guy end up underestimating the sheer bastardry of this iteration of Sentinel Prime. Honestly, the “turns out the villain is way more evil than we thought” plot twist is something I’ve grown to love.
Long story short, Transformers One wouldn’t be as good of a film without its take on Sentinel Prime. It gives us the most evil iteration of the character, who has always been portrayed as a jerk at best and ruthless at worst. If Sentinel wasn’t pure evil in this film, if he had acted on some form of misguided altruism, if he had some genuine, likeable traits, he wouldn’t be as effective. It would become much harder to understand why D-16 became Megatron; and why Orion Pax became Optimus Prime as a response.
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Next up Xana from Code Lyoko
Sentinel was a disk one boss nothing more.
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