BOSS RC500 verse-chorus serial loops: SYNC to the RHYTHM!
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- Is your RC500 going out of sync when using the rhythm machine? Here's how to solve it! In this educational gear review video I am describing how to program the Boss RC500 looper pedal so you can have verse-chorus loops (of different lengths!) in sync with the internal rhythm machine.
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I’ve had my RC500 for about 7 months and just forgot about it because of the complex nature of it. But after watching your 2 videos I put it back in the rig and fell in love with it.
Perfect! I can really relate to that, so I am happy my digging into it was helping you out too!
Exactly what I was looking for with no extra nonsense to sift through. Thank you! This is a game changer!
Thanx! You are welcome!
This just changed the game for me day 1 owning this looper, coming from the rc-30 for many years. Thanks man
your two RC500 videos make this SUCH a better looper overall. To the point where I'm amazed Boss didn't set them as defaults. THANK YOU
Thanx! I am glad they proved useful to you!
Snap!
@@JeeWeeDonkers
Sorry but there are some mistakes here, I think.
To record staying synchro with the rythm on both tracks, they have to be set with tempo.s on, and loop.s on (and quantize to measure).
But even in single mode, once you play, both loop.s set to on, means "single parrallel mode activated".
That means, both tracks will start together, even if you can can hear only one, due to the single mode.
So, if your verse and chorus contains same measures numbers (even if the 2 tracks do not have the same measures lenghts, i..e., for example your 1st track contains 2 measures, your second track contains 4 measures, but when you play, you read always two times the first track and one time the second one), it seems to work ok.
But if your verse and chorus do not have the same measures lenght, it will no more work like this.
For example, let say your first track contains 2 mesures, your second one contains 4 measures.
Playing only one time each track will have for result to play the 2 measures of track 1, and then the last 2 measures of track 2 ...
To be sure your tracks will always begin at their own first measure, you've got to set at least one loop.s to off after recording.
So you've got 2 way to set the single mode, with 2 kind of result.
And by the way, track chain serie/parrallel don't change anything about the single or multl play mode; it's just a way the internal audio is routed.
@@BlackSun3Tube Your review of events looks absolutely correct, at least I encountered it.
This video/demo was great! I’ve see other attempts to explain this on TH-cam, but this was easily the clearest to follow step by step. Worked the first time!
As others have noted, it only stays rhythm synced if your second track’s length is a multiple of the first track’s. But that’s a workable limitation for basic looping and songwriting.
One trick I’m still working on is if you switch tracks and record a 4-bar or 8-bar chorus, the looper will play the chorus again after you hit the REC/PLAY button. It didn’t happen in his video because his chorus loop was only two bars. You could switch T1 and T2 to start playback immediately rather than at loop’s end, but then your transitions are a little wonky.
It’s nice that you can set up a memory to work like this, try it, and then just use other setups on different memories if you want to use the tracks in parallel.
I've been trying to do this for several days by reading the manual, but I couldn't find anything, thanks to you I've succeeded! Thank you so much you're great good music!!
I was beginning to think my RC-500 was haunted until I watched this. Thanks!
You're welcome!
(And yet...) ;-)
Wow , using kitchen cutting board as a pedal board is very cool idea! Will do the same ! Great video!
I used a first generation Holeyboard for this, but essentially it is a kitchen cutting board, yes. ;-)
Thank you for this. I got an RC-500 today, coming from an RC-5. The RC-5 and RC-500 are 90% the same. Thank you for making the other 10% easy.
Any time!
Dude! You are legend! This was driving me crazy! I'm not sure why these perameters didn't come as default settings on the pedal?! Thank you so much for this video brother! Keep crushing!
Thanx man! Keep on looping!
After looking at JeeWee settings over and over and duplicating on my rc-500. The only way it works is if you have recorded multiple or equal measures of one track vs the other. In this instance JeeWee recorded 4 measures on T1 (Verse) and then after a bass overdub on T1, recorded 2 measures on T2 (Chorus) in time with the end of T1 loop. From then on you can switch back and forth and more or less stay in tempo with the rhythm track. However if you actually recorded 3 measures of the T2 Chorus instead of 2 things will not work. You will have a gap of 1 measure at the end of T2. There is a work around that I found, and that is, you have to turn to loop sync off on one of the channels via the loop options button. In this case, track 1 is the verse loop and if you have a chorus that doesn't match up with multiples of the first loop (T1) turn loop sync off on track 2 (Chorus). The caveat to this is that you have to end the track 2 loop manually as it will not be in sync so most likely it will be a fraction of a beat off. This means that once you switch from track 1 (verse) to track 2 (chorus) you can only let the chorus track play the first time and then switch back to to verse again. That means you have to play out the T2 Chorus to the end of its loop before switching to the T1 Verse. If I got this wrong for some reason. Please post.
That is a legit workaround to a known flaw of the RC500. Boss has been informed about it, no reaction yet.
Hey, thank you for this comment - I was going a little nuts trying to figure out and confirm the same thing. If you ever found any other workaround, it would be great to hear it! In any case, thanks for sharing!
Awesum bro, watched loadsa vids on this pedal as I know I'm not using it to its full potential. Best explained ! Thank you. I will be watching the rest of your stuff
Thanx man!
Anyone playing the Meters on a looper has to be worth subscribing to!! I've just ordered the RC 500, should have it next week. BTW love how you just simply explain, straight to the point, without all the usual unfunny jokes, and endless talking, also watched another video of yours about the chorus and verse, which was excellent and easy to understand. I saw somewhere that you can play a riff, stop and the pedal can put a drum beat to your riff, as I dont have the pedal yet I dont know if this is easy to do, but could be a great subject for a future video. Thanks for taking the time to carefully work out what needs to be said, its a real pleasure watching
Thanks a lot Jeewee for all your help and this second video. I 'am where I want to be now. It all works (rytm syc etc) .Thanks again!!!! Mike
Any time, brother! Keep up the good loops!
Thank you for this lesson. I just got my RC500 yesterday and I was trying to work out how to synch my rhythm to my loop. You answered all of my questions.
You probably saved me from another day of frustration. But now I’ve done my first ever multi track loop totally synced with my rhythm track.
It’s time for some more fun.
You're welcome!
Thanks JeeWee, Having myself just picked up an RC500 and been banging my head against a wall trying to figure out now to to this, these videos of yours are a lifesaver. Thanks so much for doing this, you deserve a medal :)
Any time! As long as Boss refuses to make good manuals, we need to rely on these learning communities. Which is fun in its own right ;-)
All the technology innovation in the world is useless without communication of intent and use.
So glad this video exists.
Heeeey! Jeewee! I thought I recognized that mug of yours! Haha! Didn't know you had this channel! Your video turned up in a group I'm in. I'll send you an invite. Good to see you again. Even if it's on video.
Great Video's Mr Donkers , you keep the information at a nice pace , nice big clear on screen instructions too . Im writing your info down in the blank pages at the back of the BOSS RC500 instruction manual !! Thank You , I will subscribe .
Any time, thank you!
This video is money. Thank you! The looper is inspiring setup like this. Game changer.
You're very welcome!
Good stuff, thx! This really helped me into a "jam" and out of a boggle.
This video helped me a lot. Thanks!
Any time!
Thank you so much for giving me the heads up on this 👍👏👏
Any time!
Thank You so much i was having trouble separating tracks and keeping both in sync with drums
Any time. And a happy new year!
Great video man, thanks...Cheers!
Thank you for the great video!
You're welcome!
Thanks for this video!
You are welcome! Enjoy!
Very nice sir
Thank you so very much
You re so very welcome!
Thank you for taking the time and sharing with us! LOVE CISSY STRUT checkout Slighty Stoopid's version with reggae vibe
Any time, and will do!
BRILLIANT. Thank you so much!
Any time! Enjoy!
The example in video worked just because the chorus is repeted 2 times whitch gives 4 mesures (equal to verse). I contacted Boss Service and the answer was: "This is the nature of the Loopers in general.
If you want to use the Looper “Out of precise timing and sync” you can use loop.s off but then nothing will be in sync.
With all our loopers for best results you must use track 1 and 2 at the same lengths, and also Loop Sync On …".
It's too late for me to return the unit and so I have to sell it on market. My question is, will the RC-600 be the same? I have to know the answer to buy one.
Firstly, this question should be asked to the BOSS company. Secondly, yes, and the BOSS is 700, 800, etc. too. Because the boss invented this thing, but that doesn't stop Ed Sheeran from using it, does it?
@@GG.SS. thanks for your comment. I respect your point of view. Ed Sheeran made magic with songs having the chorus and verse with the same number of measures (Sheeran used Boss only in the earlier days). Unfortunatelly I can't compare with Sheeran' creativity and because of that I need loopers for real world where chorus and verse have diferent lenghts. The problem only aplies if you want to be in sybc with a rhythm machine internal or external (Sheeran normaly used is guitar live as percussion. No problems that way)
@@jguitarloop Let me share my settings that I can work with independently (unlike those shown in this video). Maybe this will help you.
T1/T2 > EDIT
T1/T2 START = IMMEDIATE
T1/T2 STOP = IMMEDIATE
T1/T2 MEASURE = FREE
T1/T2 LOOP.S = OFF
MEMORY > REC
QUANTIZE = OFF
MEMORY > PLAY
PLAY MODE = SINGLE
SINGL CHNGE = IMMEDIATE
TRK CHAIN = SERIES
MEMORY > RHYHTM
START = BEFORE LOOP
STOP = OFF
MEMORY > CONTROL
PDL1 FUNC = T1 R/P/S(C)
PDL2 FUNC = T2 R/P/S(C)
PDL3 FUNC = RHYTHM P/S
@@GG.SS. I tried your settings hopping that all I learned in the last ten years of looping with Boss loopers was wrong. Unfortunelly that didn't happen because the test confirmed my fears:
1. LOOP.S=OFF means, don't sync with rhythm (midi clock). So even if you are the best at stopping the loop rec on the beat, if you let the loop playing with the rhythm for 4 or 5 cycles it will be out of beat. Of course if you let it play just one or two times probably you will not notice tthe drift.
2. TRK CHAIN=SERIES has nothing to do with playing Track2 after Track1. The only effect it takes is, by the Boss manual, "The output of track 1 is connected to track 2" and only makes diference if you are in PARALELL mode. If you are in PLAY MODE = SINGLE thist setting is useless because you can't play both.
Tell me that I'm wrong again and I will be happy.
@@jguitarloop You're right. Disabling LOOP.S does just that, but gives you more freedom. Frankly, the only way out is to use an external metronome and not use the built-in drums. This is suitable for later layering your drums in DAW. And totally unsuitable for live performance..
Hello and congratulations for your channel, I always follow you.. I wanted to ask you for some info: I have the RC500 and I would like to know if it is possible to start the song by creating a drum kit with the guitar "but not letting the public hear it and therefore not letting it go out from the speakers" but simply record it in the RC and then use it for example in the middle of the song, maybe there is a function? Thank you!
Of course you can record a percussion track with your guitar before your performance, store it in a memory patch and play it at the moment you are performing.
Your settings an method seem to work but does this get rid of the issue 'if one wants the two tracks to be in sync, one loop must be exactly a multiple of the other loop's length.'? For example: 'A 4 bars verse and a 8 bars chorus or a 4 bars verse and a 12 bar chorus it's not a problem. However, if one tries to record a 12 bars verse and a 8 bars chorus, the RC-500 forces the tracks to a 12 bars chorus or a 16 bars verse, depending which one was recorded first.' Is that correct or is the way you set the RC-500 remove this constraint?
Hi Jeewee, Thanx for this video. It helps me a lot to understand my RC-500. In this video you switch from Track 1 to Track 2 by clicking first Track Select, and then Rec/Play. I wonder if its possible to make this switch by just one click. For example to use my FS-7 for this. I presume this can be done by using the assings? Or is this not possible....?
Hi Arie,
Thank you, any time!
I think you can do that for instance by assigning Track 1 rec/play/stop to button 1 and Track 2 rec/play/stop to button 2. While recording track 1, hit track 2 rec and it should switch right away.
Sounds great, thanks for the videos. Is there any way to stop a track and keep the drums going? Say I start a rhythm then add a loop on track 1 and later on want to stop just the loop on track 1? I own a RC-500 and it seems if I stop a track it stops the drums too.
You can. In the Rhythm menu, select Stop OFF. You can now start and stop the rhythm with an external footswitch, independent of the loops.
hey great vid 🙌 my rc 500 guitars distorts after i layer a few tracks when i get to a certain volume through my acus amp .... do you have a suggestion for a cleaner sound ? maybe a compression pedal ??
Thanx man, you're welcome!
Volume of stacked loops can get pretty loud in some cases. A compression pedal might help, but when you're using the rhythm machine, the shirt transients of the beat will not mix very well with your guitar sound. There's a few things you can do:
1. Keep the gain of your Acus amplifier relatively low. This gives you more headroom and less distortion when you're stacking tracks.
2. Program (or use the sliders) the RC500 to keep the playback volume of the loops relatively low. (you can see in the video that's what I have done). This prevents the adding of more and more volume of stacked loops. The RC500 seems to add more volume that my old RC30.
3. If your amp has separate channels, you can rout the loops to a different channel than your direct guitar or mic from your RC500. That way you can control gain and distribution of the loops separately.
Thanks
Any time!
I would like to know how to change tracks and the other track not start straight away. Other track is Chorus ./ Verse so should begin at end of loop, but when I pre- select it, other track starts immediately (However, this button of Immediate and Fade does not seem related to this issue. Thank you for video as I learned how to set up the tracks - but not quite there ..
Hi jeewee, you mentioned the amp simulator in your vid. do you output into a keyboard amp, pa or fffr ? Thanks
At home I go direct into my DAW and monitors. Onstage I use a Headrush FRFR speaker, combined with an AER acoustic amp if I want stereo.
luv the video, much appreciated! I am having a problem when I return to my first loop to play over it (like at 4:05 in your video) My problem is the loop is not starting from the beginning of what I recorded? It's like my loop is starting 5 or 10 seconds "into the loop" - any advice? thx!
I don't have the unit with me right now, but from the top of my head: did you set loop.sync off?
thanx for the video.
how do u program rc500 to assign beat variation on B knob on fs-7? i cant find it in the CTL1 FUNC menu
Any time!
In the MEMORY menu, scroll on until you reach ASSIGN1. Here you can assign more parameters to the control switches and expression pedal than in other locations. Settings are saved to your memory slot, so you can realy taylor it for the purpose you need.
Check the RC500 parameter guide here: www.boss.info/global/support/by_product/rc-500/owners_manuals/02ee9ed9-fa87-43f5-b439-fa928187a3bb/
@@JeeWeeDonkers thanx!
What are those caps on top of your foot switches? They look like after-market aluminum parts for improved stomping reliability. Good idea, because I miss the rubber feet on the RC-30.
Hete you go: www.thomann.de/nl/rockboard_footswitch_topper_stompete_sl.htm?ref=search_prv_Rockboard+topper_2_4
Enables me to operate it better with bare feet or socks on.
JeeWee, thanks for these excellent videos. Very informative and succinct.
Question: It seems that although the setting for INPUT > MIC IN > OUT-A will correctly send your mic’s output to OUT-A during live recording mode, during playback, it sends MIC IN to OUT-A…. as well as OUT-B… which is undesirable. It would be ideal to be able to send MIC to OUT-A *only* during *playback* as well. I’m using a Roland CUBE Street EX, so ideally, OUT-A goes only to the MIC channel on the amp, and OUT-B only goes to the Amplifier/Guitar channel, so that the vocals don’t have distortion applied. Is this possible?
Indeed this is possible. On a memory to memory basis, you can assign the outputs of track 1 and 2 to output A, B or both.
Press the Track 1/2 button, scroll to T1/T2 OUTPUT and select the desired output of the track. As this works on a memory by memory basis, you can (and need to) set this according to your various preferences per song. this is opposed to the input settings, that are set on a general basis.
@@JeeWeeDonkers thanks for the kind reply. I will take another look tonight and let you know how it works.
@@JeeWeeDonkers Hi JeeWee. I hope you don't mind the lengthy post; I just want to supply enough detail.
I tried adjusting the output settings, and it's still not getting the desired result. It's sending the output to A or B as selected, however it's sending *both* MIC+INST output to that jack, whereas my desire is to separate the output of MIC to the other jack, so MIC can go to the clean channel (1) of the amp, while guitar goes to channel (2) of the amp during playback.
I've tried changing the T1/T2 INPUT settings as well, but then we're no longer receiving input from both vocals and guitar; only one or the other.
I should note that even with OUTPUT = ALL, during *live* playing it works as desired (separating the output), however, the recorded *playback* lumps MIC+INSTR into both OUT jacks, meaning vocals get distortion/effects.
Does my logic sound correct, and do you have any other suggestions? Thanks -Stephan
PHYSICAL CONNECTIONS:
Mic > MIC IN (XLR)
Guitar > Instr-A
OUT-A > Amp channel 1 (clean vocals)
OUT-B > Amp channel 2 (w/effects)
INPUT BUTTON:
MIC IN = OUT-A
INST IN = OUT-B
T1/T2
T1 OUTPUT = B (also tried A)
T2 OUTPUT = B (also tried A)
MEMORY:
Track Chain = Series
@@stephanavanozian3236 I see your point. I am afraid that the RC doesn't see what the sources of the loops exactly were, and cannot rout them separately to different outputs. The only way I see for achieving this, is by using two physically separated but synchronized loop pedals.
Perhaps you can post this issue in the Facebook group, there's a lot of creative expertise there that might be able to help you.
facebook.com/groups/750225042246696/?ref=share
@@JeeWeeDonkers Thanks again for looking into it. Yes, I will post this to the FB group. Hopefully this is achievable, as it would seem like a common requirement. I view it as a possible bug or design issue, as it behaves differently in playback mode versus live mode. I'll let you know what I find out! :)
That video do helps A LOT. What are thos big switches you have on the foot-switch ? they seem very convenient
www.thomann.de/nl/rockboard_footswitch_topper_stompete_bk.htm?ref=search_prv_Gator+switch+tops_2_5
They have the in several colours.
@@JeeWeeDonkers thanks ! didn't know those things existed before I saw them on your video
hi, thnx for the video. is this able to store more songs?
Yes it is. Just save to another memory slot when you're done recording.
Do you know if there is any way to save two different drum styles in the two tracks? Thank you so much for this amazing and brilliant video!
No, you can only assign one rhythm type per memory, but you can assign two variations of the rhythm to the two tracks. You can do this for instance by assigning a variation change to the track change button.
@@JeeWeeDonkers Thank you so much! Your videos have helped so many people enjoy the RC-500!!!
I’m going to have to try this when I am back with my looper. I’ve been trying to add rhythm for a few days now but, each time I do, it changes the tempo of my already recorded loop. I tried doing the rhythm first and then recording a loop but then I had less control over the rhythm because it was then recorded as part of the track and couldn’t be varied. So then I recorded my chord progression without rhythm and tried to add rhythm afterwards but trying to match up the tempo to the recording was difficult and then ended up slowing down the recording. I know it’s me and not the gear. Lol. I thought I read that the RC-500 can automatically determine the rhythm of your cord progression but I haven’t been able to get it to do that either. 🤷♀️
I believe you can set the track input settings to exclude the rhythm part recording the track. I have to look it up for you.
Hey Jeewee is there a way to set up 'track select' to automatically record when switched if track is empty or automatically play when switched if track is full?
You can, sort of. You can set the track start to IMMEDIATE or to TRACK END. In the latter case, the pedal will wait to start recording or playing the next track until the currently playing track has ended. However, you need to press both Track Select and Rec/Play buttons.
I followed every step track one never storps when I go to track 2 to record that loop. thanks
Could it be that your Play mode is set to Multi instead of Single?
is there any way to have the second loop play after the first one without having to switch tracks and time it at the end of the loop? thanks :)
You mean automatically alternate between track 1 and 2 and back again? Not that I am aware of... You can start track 2 at the end of track 1 (and vice versa) seamlessly without having to press a button at the very exact time, but you still need to give the command to switch tracks.
Hey man how are you! How do you make the loop you recorded star back from the beginning?
Example..if i stop the loop in the middle of the recording and i push play again it will start back at a certain spot....i dont want that. When i stop it and then re engage it id like to have it start always from the beginning...is it possible? Thanks a lot
There is. In the Play menu - Play Mode select Single, that should do the trick.
Yeah I forgot to mention that im using the rhythm machine on....and if i use the single mode i cant use both channels..i dont think there's a way around this unfortunately
Champion video, straight forward and informative. Good on you. I have a small problem getting the seperate track thing to work. I record first track all is good. Prepare 2nd track to record. Start to record 2nd track. All good until I try to stop the recording oin the 2nd track. It just keeps going for 3 or 4 bars before stopping. Will not stop on click. Is it just me or have i Overlooked a setting. PS i have not nominated a loop length, it is set to auto.
Did you try to set T2 measure to FREE? It appears as if T2 length is set to the same number of measures as T1.
It could also be related to the track change mode. Check MEMORY - PLAY - SINGL CHANGE and set this to IMMEDIATE
I’ve discovered that the synchronization seems to still work with the Single Change set to Loop End in addition to Immediate.
I have assigned my third pedal of RC-500 as Rhythm stop and start but as soon as I start pedal 1(Track 1) the drum also starts playing, how do I not let that happen also if I could get a way of stopping the track loop while the drums still playing I would be great. (P.S. I still want my loops to be tempo synced with the drums whenever I play the drums on/off)
Yes you can. Long press RHYTHM to enter the menu, scroll to STOP and select OFF. Rhythm now starts and stops only by your designated pedal.
@@JeeWeeDonkers Thanks, bro! That worked.
Hey JeeWee! Query. Where did you get those external button caps for your RC500?
www.thomann.de/nl/rockboard_footswitch_topper_stompete_sl.htm?ref=search_prv_Stompete_2_7
Hé Jeewee, ontzettend bedankt voor de verse / chorus tutorials. Wat de sync to the rhythm betreft; als je de loop sync aanzet, kun je de tracks alleen als een veelvoud van elkaar maken dus bijvoorbeeld verse 4 maten, en chorus dan 2 maten, of 8. Geen zes dus bijvoorbeeld. Als je de 2e track dan bij zes maten wil stoppen, breit hij er automatisch nog twee maten aan vast. Probeer maar eens Country Roads: Verse 17 maten, chorus 16, dan breit hij er nog een maat aan bij het refrein. Is er een oplossing?
Ja, dit euvel hebben al meer mensen gedetecteerd. Ik heb er zo 123 geen oplossing voor. Mogelijk dat er in de RC500 Facebook groep nog ideeën leven?
Oké, bedankt. Nou ja, andere kant is dat deze beperking weer uitnodigd om creatieve oplossingen in het looping proces te verzinnen.
mercii :) great vidéo ! where to buy your pedalboard ?
This one is a Holeyboard www.holeyboardpedalboards.com/
They don't carry this model anymore, but they have plenty other options these days.
@@JeeWeeDonkers thank you😊
Hi. Is it possible to play a drum rhythm to hear but without recording it onto any loop track
@@petercurran1956 yes it is. Check your Input/Output settings: if Rhythm output is set to Loop it will be recorded, but you can set it to outputs as well.
Do you have the drums going thru guitar cab, or separate studio monitors? If separate how do I do that? Don’t want drums going thru amp cab. Thank you.
Long press Input and choose output A or B for all different inputs and Rhythm. You can rout it pretty much anything you like.
Attention: The routing of the recorded loops can be selected from the Track 1 and 2 menus
@@JeeWeeDonkers thank you very much. Appreciate your help.
Seeking advise please . I've recorded a guitar guide track on track 2 for a bass track to be recorded on track 1. I'm having to listen to the whole of track 2 to start the recording of the bass on bar/measure 1 on track 1 , I make loads of mistakes on the bass and keep having to go round again waiting for bar 1 to retry . Frustrating and time consuming. My question is how can I play track2 from bar 1 and record on track 1 also from bar 1, ie straightaway, is it at all possible or any suggestions or work rounds gratefully received. Thanks
I think this might have something to do with your settings regarding record/play/dub mode. I don't have much time to sort it out right now, could you please post this in the Facebook RC500 group? There's loads of people there too that are willing to help you out.
Ah, I see it's there already ;-)
This works but wont let me do what I intended to do. Ill try to explain...Im sure there are other people outhere with this question lol:
I use the loop station live. I dont pre record anything. Trying to stay away from the karaoke thing.
I use the rhythm section and once selected the one I need Ill record my A part on track one. Ill record the rhythm section on trac 2.The problem comes in when there is a part B that has a different lenght than part A. I stop part A and play part B live. The rhythm section still goes on normally. When i re engage part A after having played part B...comes in on a different spot...do you have any tips on this? Thanks so much man
Make sure the loops are not synced (loop sync off) and you are using parallel loops.also check whether your loop stop and starting points are not connected to anything else. I am on holiday right now, I don't have the device here. But the settings in my video should work with loops of different lengths.
@JeeWeeDonkers thank you very much man! I followed exactly every step md without the rhythm section everything you explained works perfectly. The rhythm section, though, will not allow you to have independent loops. Or at least I cant seem to get it right
What does 'track chain: series' do? I thought it was going to play the loops in sequence but noticed you still manually switched from loop 1 to loop 2.
This makes the loops play sequentially, one after the other (indeed as soon as you give the command to do so) instead of playing together simultaneously.
@@JeeWeeDonkers ahh understood. Thank you. Also wanted to ask, because the manual is lacking in this department, is there a resource you use to know what every menu setting can do? I doubt it but just thought I'd ask
@@Ghost-lf2qj There's no document available beside the manual. There is a Facebook group around the topic with lots of information and expertise. facebook.com/groups/750225042246696/?ref=share
Will sync to a beatbuddy?
Thank you
I have synced mine to a beatbuddy in the past!
JeeWee you should get endorsed by Boss for these helpful videos. Fantastic stuff. I’ve just picked one of these up and I’ve got it set to single mode, I really wanted to be able to change between rhythm variation A and B between tracks, i.e, verse/chorus Is this possible on the stand alone unit without the need for the fs6/7 pedal? Many thanks 🙏🏻
Any time!
It's possible. You need to assemble your footswitch - it's easy and cheap. Look here: th-cam.com/video/lty59Cp_Vqs/w-d-xo.html
if you will play your chorus only one or two times (instead of 4 times as you do) and swith to track 1 - it will not start from beginning.
Is play mode set to single and track chain to series?
of course!
Your verse (t1) is 4 times longer than chorus (t2) and you play t2 the same amount of time as your verse lasts, that is why you don't see the issue. If you played t2 only once and switched to a longer track, I guess you will notice that T2 (the longest) will start from the second bar
Yes, I have been told that before. This seems to be a bug in the device.
If you know how to fix this I would be reallu happy to hear the answer. 'cause lots of songs that I would like to play with looper have different duration of verse and chorus. If you swith off loop.sync this problem fixes but then there is another problem - if you stop and then start your drums the chance to hear it out of sync with the loop is 100%
HUM!!...so you need to first select the track then press the play button to have it play back?...it does'nt just play back at the end of the other track?...that's bizarre!!...
You can have that too. Select MEMORY - PLAY - TRACK START - END OF LOOP and you're there. I have set it to IMMEDIATE, because that's what I prefer.
Of course you have no problems because you allways play track1 (4 mesures) two times and track 2 (2 mesures) four times. So, in the end, the have the same size. If you play track2 one time and return to track1, it will not start from the beginning. In fact, will start in in mesure two and thats RC-500 problem with serial sync.
Yes, I have come to realize that. BOSS has been made aware of this problem. However I am not really confident they will be addressing it shortly.
@@JeeWeeDonkers i'm trying to know if RC-600 and RC-500 mkiii suffer from de same issue (I sold Rc-505 for this reason) without sucess. It seams there's some kind of silence pact about this and that isn't nice. You are the first Boss gear tester to answer me. Thanks for that. XLooper.
Why don’t use the loop start fn set to end of loop (I think) then you hit track select and play and relax??
Good point, i have no idea..
@@JeeWeeDonkers there’s another clip showing how to change memory bank and essentially get 4 loop tracks which is rather clever. I think I’m going to invest in the FS1-WL to get a bit more flexibility… but it’s all money 🤬
Sorry but the RC 500 firmware & UX is crap regarding single mode. As much we fiddle with it, it does behave in its own way. I would expect that the 1st loop started always from start, which is not the case if you do for example a verse of 4 bars and a chorus of 2. If the chorus is played once and then switched to verse, the verse will play 3rd and 4th bar before starting again. It's like the loops play still in sync but the single mode mutes one or the other in turn. In my opinion not the most natural behaviour.
Moreover, trk chain parallel/series doesn't affect any behaviour of the single mode and only the boss devs know what they smoked when they put it in.
I used to have that very same problem in the beginning, too. It took me a while to work around it. Closely follow the setting I show in this video and the problem is solved. It all came together as soon as I started to quantise per measure.
@@JeeWeeDonkers I think I used the same parameters you say on the video and got the results I described. Seems they have a bug where if you set loop sync off, it will ignore the rec quantise - measure setting. If you leave loop sync on, instead, the loops are muted and but continue to play in the background giving the side effect i noticed.
On your video your verse is 2 bar and the chorus one, but a) your verse seem to be the same bar repeated twice, so you don't notice where exactly it starts playing, and b) you let the chorus play multiple of 2 times, so you don't experience what I said.
@@JeeWeeDonkers let me add a thank you for trying and sharing your thoughts on the matter. Here's is Boss at fault.
@@andreafiorito9491 I checked this and you are absolutely right. Now how can we get @Boss to listen in?
@@JeeWeeDonkers i wrote at the support describing the problem, from the page where i registered the product. I m sure will not sort any effect, but trying doesn't cost much either.
Here the thing is that the firmware was not written by a software dev that was a musician too, cause it's appalling that in 2021 a product comes out with such bugs/limitations. How something like that passed QA? I'm a software dev myself and I'm speechless
Track chain set on series is totally unuseful. U already set the looper on single mode
Yes, I am somewhat confused by the necessity of some of the settings. At the same time, there seem to be some bugs in series mode.
@@JeeWeeDonkers toooo many bugs in RC500... i’m totally disappointed with mine 😭😭
@@validoberz could you send me a list of what you have found? I am compiling an advice message for Boss. Send it to jeewee.donkers@gmail.com
@@JeeWeeDonkers i just wrote to boss customer service...
@@JeeWeeDonkers i.e. Mine is totally instable. Error message of ‘busy unit’ but i have only one short track in memory. It doesn’t always recognize external footswitch, only sometimes. Sometimes it doesn’t keep tracks in memory (yes, i do the correct steps). The most strange bug is that Sometimes when i record second track it records again the first also in the second!!! Totally disappointed