Introduction to Long Lining/Ground Driving, Sean Davies , Coloradoreinsman
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2024
- Hello everyone! This video is a starting place for those of you who want to develop collection and balance in your horse. I have been getting a lot of requests for some long lining videos so I am going to do a few from early stages up to more advanced work. Remember that you won't start with long lining...the ground work and round pen work is first and foremost. You must start with the basics before you jump ahead. Stay tuned for more.
Thank you so much for putting this video up! Ground driving has made such a difference for me and my horses relationship what a connection!
Really nice to see a smart pleasant horseman.
What a nice horse! Great teaching video. Invaluable info. Thank you for posting.
Really like the explanation, play by play. It’s tremendously helpful for me!! Thank you very much for sharing this
VERY helpful. I have just started ground driving a 5 yr old mule. Your direction was very clear.
This is a wonderful beginner's video
Thank you so much 🐴😍
Really enjoyed that. Your camera work is really excellent. And the narrative is so valuable. Addressing an issue in the moment is so helpful.
Wow. Great instructional video. Thank you! I have become interested in long lining, and this video is so helpful in getting me started!
This is a great learning experience. My mare is the opposite to your horse - she's good in the walk but puts her head up in trot. Am using your method to try to build up the back muscles. Have tried closing the circle and then re-opening, this helps her relax more and then the head begins to drop. Thank you!
work on the transitions from walk to trot getting a nice soft walk with good headset and increase the forward slowly until as you ask for the trot. I give a cadence at the trot. Kiss kiss kiss kiss...a slow two beat trot cadence... they tend to match my kisses and pick up the feet more and elevate. I may have to get people to send me videos soon for critique so I can see whats happening.
We start horses to driving on a flat nylon or leather halter over the bridle in a small corral. That way when the horse is confused, (and it will be) you will be using its nose rather than its mouth. It is not the 1st time this horse has been driven or lunged, the 1st time is A LOT different I have been line driving since I was a teen in the '70s. This is more of the "Head focused" cowboy training. Once youngsters are going nicely WTC rein back and turning well on the halter, we take them out into the yard and drive the youngsters over things like ground poles, ditches, run in sheds water holes. That way when they get confused they're not ying yanging on their mouths. When all is going well we take them back to the round pen and srop the halter nose band till the side rings on the halter are close to the same level as the fulmer or other full cheek or D ring, rubber covered or plastic bit. We buckle the reins to the halter ring (that the horse is used to) and the bit rings, together and drive the horse off of the halter and bit together to introduce bit pressure in the most non frightening way. Once this is going good, back out of the round pen or small corral into the yard and around. over and through obstacles . We train jumpers so we WTC young horses over as many jumps as we can (inside standard down so you don't catch the lines) and then solely to the bit. Pick up and hold 2 x20+ feet of rubberized lines, we don't want the horse to have to carry thatmuch weight on their mouth because it makes them DULL and HEAVY or they lern to work behind the vertical ..... ugggg. The more steps you take the faster things go along....
Thank you for this info!
Excellent instruction, would love to see more of you on utube!
Thank you...getting back to videos now. Been way behind with rehabbing our facility and getting horses done.
He's beautiful but sadly he's off in the hindquarters if you watch him walk towards the end of the video at around 25 mins in you can see that he is limping which could be why he was getting a little more pushy his back leg is stiff at times.
I have enjoyed your introduction to ground driving I would like to see more of your videos, if you have any. I have learned quite a lot with this one session thank you!
I have about 176 videos on my channel with some being ground driving . I have about 30 videos worth that I need to catch up on so there is a lot more coming
So many questions! So first, I'm wondering about pressure release in ground driving, it seems like your reins get stuck in the rings and don't slide easily through for pressure release. Do you not want to teach that in driving? Second, I'd love to know how you are signaling a "leg yield" with your reins. My mare works well off of voice commands, but I'd love to learn other ways too. And third, you keep saying that he's pushing on you, which I assume means that he's pulling on your hands. You correct that by smacking him forward? Wouldn't that just make the pulling worse? I'd love a more detailed break down, as I am learning this with my mare for the first time.
nice instruction easy to follow for man and beast
Thank you for showing this!
You got some really good steps out of him ! :)
At that is all I want at first is a few good steps. Then build on that.
Thank you so much. Very helpful :)
Good stuff! 👍
John I am seeing a lot of comments from you and have not had time to reply to them all. I am just getting back to posting some videos and trying to reply to a few. First, thank you for watching and some of your comments are very insightful and I do appreciate that! I will reply to questions when I can and if for some reason it takes awhile know that I do see them and appreciate the time it took to watch a video and comment.
@@coloradoreinsman :) I grew up working with Standardbreds, and I have a degree in Light Horse Management, so I was taught a few things (hardly everything!) by many good horsemen. I try to leave comments that might make folks think a little bit about themselves and their horses. You do very good work, so I'll keep watching! 😄
I'm doing this with a very small shetland named Freckles. He has a terrible balance problem, and the round pen is just too big to help him. Any ideas?
Would you ever start this with a bitless bridle? Also would love to see videos of how you got him to where he was in this video.
Thanks for sharing :)
Absolutely Adam and in fact I use a side pull often to begin this process. This video is more of an introduction to Long Lines in general. If you use a side pull and it has the rawhide or rope nose piece make sure to wrap that with some cloth and vet wrap to begin with so it doesn't wear on their nose. I do not use the cross pressure bitless bridles ever myself so don't recommend using it for this. I will be putting up some more videos of how to get started with a side pull and lines soon.
Do you do this before the saddle? Or do you get them used to the feel of the saddle then get them used to this? Since they both have girths but the saddle has stirrups and it may be better to get them used to everything then put this on them.
@@adamlabonte3840 at the Spanish Riding School, they start young horses with a circingle and long lines first, teaching what bit pressure means. Introduction to saddle and a rider comes later, when the colt is proficient at long lining and has matured a little more physically and mentally. As well, you can always go back to long lining "refresher courses" after the horse has been backed. Hope this helps.
Why do you have her braided?
Great info. Thank you.
(1) Took my 1st try with my 4 yo Spotted Saddle Horse. He was a little unsure about the lines and took a long time to settle. My goal was just to have the gear on him & walk quietly. Never really settled until he got tired. Any tips for the 1st time out? Was I expecting too much?
(2) He keeps turning into me, and I can't get behind him as it turns into a circle dance! Tip?
(3) Whoever broke him did not take care with his mouth. Tongue over the bit, no medical/organic issues. Working very had to have minimal pressure on the bit. He is in a high quality snaffle. He was horrible in the mouth. Do the lines give pressure in the mouth. I was being very aware to be as light as possible. (reins are the webbing, but through the rings they are a black synthetic cord.) Will get those recommended by you.
Since he has had such a bad experience with bits why not try him with a hackamore?
Hi Ginny....so sorry its atken so long to reply...crazy busy at the new ranch right now. Side rein first, push at his eye and look forward where you want to go. support with that outside rein to help control the turn in. If he still does just relax and start over.the lines and bit give him a place to not go beyond. if you drive him forward he should begin to break at the pole and lift his body up. Long lining is an art. Have patience and things will get better. I have several long line videos. Much of this I also get prepared on the halter first. Don't skip the main groundwork.
Sean I see on Amazon “Beta Single Horse Driving Lines 1” wide, 20 feet long. Is this the same driving lines you’re using in this video? I’m going to order, but want to know I’m on the right track doing so. Confirm if you would, thanks.
Hello Tim...Those will definitely work. I have had mine for many years so the sizing is a little different. Mine are just under an inch which I like because they slide through the rings a little better . Mine are only 18 ft long but I actually prefer 20. try to get buckle ends if that is an option rather than snaps. I like the feel better. Good luck and let me know how it's going. Sean
coloradoreinsman Thanks Sean
Would this help my 20yr old horse build his top line?
Hello there. I love ground driving but the biggest problem I'm having in my 3 year old colt is she doesn't want to keep her collection. What do you suggest?
what is the step before this please? I am wanting to train my gypsy vanner to be a harness horse, he is only rising 2 yrs.
What should you recommend if you don’t have a round pin will an open field work the same?
Andres I am so sorry for missing your question and taking so long to get back. Yes I have had to use the area that was available to me in the past. I do like a fairly contained area so if the horse gets excited they don't bolt and drag you around. You can use a paddock or smaller turnout. But if all fails then just work with what you have and start side reining in a circle . As you get more clarity with the horse you can expand out and behind and explore the field .
Hi Sean, I love your videos and learning a ton with my very green broke draft/QH cross 7 yr old gelding. I started ground driving and my biggest problem that I am having is that he feels like he is constantly pulling or keeping the reins very tight and arching his neck similar to your video. I can't get him to back off the pressure. I can get him to stop with additional rein pressure and to even back up but as soon as I release pressure, he thinks that means to start walking again. He never wants to relax and stop. I am obviously doing something wrong. I have been trying o get him to learn "whoa" but I may be wearing it out. He turns effectively but just never wants to stop. If I ask him to trot in the long lines, he is essentially dragging me around, I can't get him to back up under himself...... Anyway, any tips would be helpful. I would love to come out to your ranch for a few days but I am in Massachusetts so a bit long with horse in tow...... Keep up the great videos. John
Hello John...Sorry about the late reply., been fighting a flu bug and trying to keep horses trained! I would have to side rein him more myself. Then he can trot out without dragging you and you can keep up in a smaller area or round pen. then you can play with the softening aspects without always fighting. Now sometimes I have to drive that hip up underneath by popping them on the flank with the rein and hold on. They need to respect the bit but if they have a hard time you can do a little trick I did on Toothless when Ground driving him( Look for that Video ). Attach a twisted string from the top of the snaffle rings over the nose and up to the browband. Adjust the string to be the first pressure the horse feels before the bit but not enough to have him push just on the string. It may help with his pushing so much. I have a program where folks fly in , stay with us for anywhere from 2 days to 2 weeks or more and work with me.Let me know if interested. Prices depend on length of stay.
Thank you Sean, I am certainly going to try your tricks! Thanks for the info about your program, I will look into that and contact you directly.....
He drops his head btv more often than you think.😢
I'm looking for good long lines. Are yours made of Beta Biothane?
+HorseBuds Therapeutic Riding Center I have had mine forever but they are a rubberized with nylon core. You can get them made to order at this link www.smuckersharness.com/...I Prefer the length to be 18 to 22 ft and the stock to be about 1nch...get the buckles
How many hands is that horse 🐴
About 15 hands
How long on average do you recommend working with a horse at one time.
Hello...it completely depends on the horse and what you're working on. If you're doing saddle work you may be doing 20 to 30 minutes of warm up on the lead or round pen and then maybe another 15 min warm up in the saddle to get 15 mins of learning something new. If they are really green there are days that I may do 15 to 20 mins of good work and call it a day with them. My average doing a multitude of things may be an hour.
That's what I thought short but consistent.
don't leave slack near or on the ground, no matter HOW quiet or experienced the horse is. Also, this horse isn't even remotely conditioned or in shape enough to be doing any collected work (airs, piaffe, passage) at all. You're going to warp and atrophy the muscles of his back.
that don't look like an arabian
Very weak hindquarters for a five year old