TAAT tip: You can cast on both socks for cuff down onto your needles without all of the fussiness of extra needles. You basically just cast on half of the stitches for the first sock then push them down the needle. Cast on on all of the stitches for your second sock and slide those down. Bring your needles together, slide the half cast on first sock all the way to the needles(they should be on the left needle) and finishing casting on the first sock by putting the remaining stitches on the empty needle(it should be the right needle). You will need to divide the stitches of the second sock in half over the bend in the cable, and then get going in the round. I don't know if this makes sense, but I'm sure there is a tutorial out there for this somewhere and it's super easy and way less fussy. :) Edited to add TAAT for life! My SSS is extreme and thank goodness this method exist lol.
This is exactly how I cast on for taat, such a game changer after spending ages casting each sock on separately then sliding them onto one long cable. It's only way I knit a pair of socks for me now, sleeves, mittens etc
Hi! I really appreciate your video. Just fyi, it’s really possible to cast on both socks on the same circular needle. Basically you cast on the first half of stitches of the first sock, then all the stitches of the second sock and finally the second part of the first sock. Hard to explain but easy to do!! 😂
That's the only way I knit socks - 2 at a time, toe up! It works great for sleeves, too! When you knit toe up, once you've got half the foot knitted, you can stuff the balls of yarn into the toes, too!
TAAT Tip: I have added grommets to all my project bags. Since I always use at least 2 colors for socks, I feed one color for each sock through each grommet, and zip the bag. Then there is no tangled yarn and when I turn my needles, I just flip the bag. Also, I use DPNs for the gusset. The rest of the socks are on my 40” or 47” needles. Hope that helps.
There is one more way to do TAAT which is how I do it now. First I want to say I feel responsible for this video after declaring my astonishment at your ufo socks. LOL! I agree you should definitely do TAAT. I have made TAAT on two circs and also magic loop with a single circ… but I so love my dpns and feel like I am eating cake without icing when I don’t get to use my beloved dpns, so I do TAAT tandem on dpns. Two identical sets of dpns, yarn into two cakes, cast on, cast on, 20 rows rib, 20 rows rib, 10 leg, 10 leg etc… You get the gist. I love it. It goes surprisingly fast and they get finished at the same time. Sometimes I leave one sock upstairs and one downstairs. If I am upstairs I will grab one and do a few rounds, and then when I go downstairs I work on the other. Sometimes one sock gains on the other (usually the leg of the sock knit in front of a good movie) but leapfrog doesn’t have to be equal. This is my perfect TAAT. No cords, no yarns tangling together (each is in it’s own ziplock bag), I get to use my dpns and both socks get finished the same day. ❤
@@WildeBookGarden Me too. My friend and I call it TAATT (Two at a time tandem). The thing is the only time I get to use my dpn’s is small circumference knitting and I was loathe to forgo them every time I did taat on ML. This way I get the best of both worlds and the socks really do get finished. I don’t allow myself to do the toe on one until the foot on the other is done too. Something about it… ❤️
I've attempted it just for proof of concept, but you can also knit 2 at a time simultaneously on a single set of needles by essentially stranded knitting with two yarns and just always keeping the strands in their position. You could also look at it like double knitting. I'm sure someone made a video. I found it overwhelming when I tried it many years ago and haven't gotten around to trying it again.
I love that TAAT works so well for so many people! That’s the magic of knitting, there’s something for everyone. I personally don’t prefer it - constantly dropping and picking up strands of yarn totally interrupts my flow and I don’t like how the “inactive” sock restricts the free movement of my cables, even when they’re super long. One at a time magic loop is where my heart lies.
All my socks are knit 2 at at time! Yes I find it more fussy at times and see people working on one sock and I think "wow that looks relaxing", BUT....I agree with the motivation of knowing they will be done at the same time is a huge bonus. Although, for me (and my personal brand of neurosis)... knowing they will be worked IDENTICALLY and that any changes I made were very easy to make on both socks at the same time, and not forgotten if I didn't write it down, is the absolute answer for me. Cheers!
AAAAANd that intro is why you're my very favorite TH-camr. Lol. I too suffered from SSS. But I was able to find help. (And you can too!!!) 9" circulars were my solution and I haven't looked back. I'm a cuff, cuff, leg, leg, heel, heel, etc kind of girl.
2AAT is my preferred sock knitting technique, and toe-up is the way to go. You can easily do Judy’s Magic or the Turkish cast-on with only a few stitches, creating a seamless, beautiful toe tip. Then you just increase from there, with both socks on the single circular. I love to knit socks with the Chiaogoo Mini Twist sock needles. The cords are thin and super-flexible, like a piece of cooked angel hair pasta. No Second Sock Syndrome, ever.
I also do TAAT Toe Up. I always use the turkish cast on: wrap the stitches for one sock, tuck the yarn between the needles, slide down, and cast on the second one. I use a 50 inch cable, because I was always worrying the stitches were going to slide off the end. That made me tense and feeling claustrophobic. The 50 inch cable also is handy for magic loop on toques aka beanies.
I knit two socks at a time simultaneously. I prefer DPNs and I prefer to knit both two at a time on DPNs. I cast on two socks on separate pairs of DPNs and I knit a little on one sock, then catch up the second sock. I am just not a fan of magic loop.
I’m knitting TAAT right now but on 2 needles. I’m doing magic loop for each sock and just knitting a stripe one one, then a stripe on the other, going back and forth that way until I finish both socks. There’s multiple ways to do TAAT! You can also use two 16 or 24” needles instead of one 40”. 😊❤❤❤
I saw your bread tag when you showed your mom’s mitts and wanted to tell you that ever since you shared that tip a few weeks ago I have saved my plastic bread ties and use them to contain the excess cast on yarn on all my projects now! That is such a great simple tip! Thanks.
It’s hilarious to me they you’ve posted this literally during the MINUTES I’ve been searching for TAAT (toe up) magic loop. I’ve only tried magic loop once and loathed it. But that may be to do with cuff down, which I also don’t love! But I love knitting TAAT to avoid second sock syndrome (I just use two sets of DPNs/short circs, or a mix of 😂) and like pushing myself to keep trying things I don’t like. You’ve given me some tips and things to think about that I haven’t previously considered!
👍…..Have not knit my socks any other way than 2 @ a time toe up. Just a thought….a very comprehensive, well written sock pattern with great feedback are the DRK Everyday Socks by Andrea Mowry. Great for an adventurous first time sock knitter, and available in 11 sizes so that you can make a pair for each member of your family or friends. 😉. Lots to learn and enjoy from this pattern. Another insightful podcast…thank you again for sharing your time with us☺️🇨🇦
Hi! Great video and information! I knit 2 socks at a time but on separate needles.. I’ll knit 10 rows on one then flip to the other… do the complete heal flap on one then another… love knitting socks 🧦!
I use two separate 24” circular needles per sock. I cast on two socks on separate sets of needles. The way I stay motivated is to break the project down by sections of the sock. Example, I knit leg one & then leg two. Leg, heel, foot toes are my sections. I learned about using two circular needles for sock knitting from Denise Earthtonesgirl. I 💕 your informative videos❤
Having tried to crochet a pair of socks eight or nine times... having failed in completing all of them, going into my knitting journey I already know I suffer from second sock syndrome... and this is perfect. I'm so excited to finish my first sweater and jump (feet first) into a pair of vanilla socks to get my bearings. Thank you for the links and inspo 🥰
I’m so glad this has motivated you to try! It really is the best way IMO. Give it a bit to settle in. There is a learning curve. But once you get past those first few rounds, or even the cuff, you’re good to go. Have fun!! ❤️
For toe-up TAAT, I have been able to cast both socks on to the same needle using Judy’s Magic Cast-On. It’s very fiddly and takes some forethought, but it can be done! I also knit my sweater sleeves TAAT. One thing I don’t recommend though: knitting colorwork on sleeves TAAT where I’m pulling from both ends of the balls of each color. It was a nightmare of yarn tangling.
I am currently knitting my first pair of socks at the same time! But instead if doing TAAT on one circular needle, I am using two separate circular needles. Seems easier to me!
Staci from very pink knits has 2 fantastic tutorial with videos included which shows how to knit TAAT . Her patterns r absolutely phenomenal and the videos hold your hand throughout.
When I learned how to knit socks 7 or 8 years ago, I only did one at a time for about 2 pairs. My friend inspired me to learn two at a time on 2 circulars because they are identical, they require less counting of rows and they actually got me to want to perfect my technique. For some reason, I had a mental block in getting it when it came to the heels and how to keep all of it straight to get back to my original stitch count to keep going. That took me a LONG time to improve on. However, I kept at it and my skills increased and the satisfaction I get when I see the finished product is worth all the hard work to learn.
I am definitely a toe up TAAT sock knitter. Over the last few years I have knit 80 pairs of socks. I use the fish lips kiss heel method which works best for me. I will challenge myself one day with the Magic Socks method by Kate Atherley.
I have not knit many socks, but I always knit “taat”. However I use 9 inch circulars. I just have a double set up of the needles I will need. I work a few rounds on one sock, then move to the next. It works for me. This I know, I would never finish a pair of socks if I did one at a time. I love all your information. Thank you for taking time out of your life to teach this community of knitters something we can use. Keep up the good work❣️❣️
If you’re interested, a TH-camr named Nancy Wynn has a great tutorial for casting on and splitting the stitches so you don’t have to do a cuff at a time. Much more convenient.
I don't usually suffer from SSS, but I have tried TAAT socks and like it. The thing that usually stops me from doing it is the initial step of separating the skein or cake into two :) When I cast on, I do one at a time, knit the ribbing for each separately and then start TAAT with the leg. I have always knit the heels separately as well.
I have put off knitting two socks at a time because I was afraid it might be frustrating; but after listening to you give the pros and cons, I think my mind is organized enough to give it a try.
I can't, just can't knit TAAT on the same needle, it drives me crazy but I love the idea. So I've started setting up everything the same way but on 2 circulars. Cuff 1, cuff 2, and then 5-10 rows on sock 1, then 5-10 on sock 2, back and forth, heel 1, heel 2... if I have a complicated stitch pattern I'd probably just switch between the socks each row but I don't find that as fiddly as yarn management.
I have 2 socks going at a time with my dpns. I do the cuff on one, then with a separate set of needles do the other cuff, then the legs etc. I love the feel of my wooden needles is one reason I use this method. I haven't had a lot of experience with circular needles and it sounds too fusy.... but I could try. Very informative video, good ideas. 😊 Thanks
When I knit TAAT in 2 strands, I put each of the 4 skeins in a fold over cheapie flap sandwich baggie (they are very sheer & do NOT Haase a zip lock. Works well.
Hi Tayler,. I love that I literally just cast on for taat mittens tonight, then your video popped up. I really love the feeling of getting both done at once and knowing they will be exactly the same. Thanks for another great ramble. 🧦
Great podcast, as always! I love the way you unpack pros and cons. I think TAAT makes perfect sense if one has second sock syndrome. For now, I don't, and the yarn management issues drove me a little nuts when I tried it. So for now, I'm a 9"-circular girl. If anyone is interested and belongs to Craftsy, Kate Atherly has a class there on TAAT sock knitting. She shows the way to cast on both to the one long circular, like someone mentioned.
I’ve seen a woman doing two at a time scarves. Different yarn, different pattern, same gauge obviously. I was blown away. Oh and they weren’t tubular. Just knitting back and forth on a circular needle. Oh the possibilities!
Thanks for inspiring me to move to one needle for TAAT Magic Loop. I just finished my first pair of Magic Loop socks. I did quasi-TAAT using two separate needles. Now, I cast on TAAT Magic Loop socks on one needle. You said it is fiddly at first and I a bit underestimated that. It was not just the casting on separately but hard to manage when the socks are small and there are still tails around, etc. But now I'm a few rows past the toes and I can see this will be well worth it! Thank you!
Ok… you convinced me. I’m gonna try it. I have wanted to for a while now. Great video. Bravo! It’s about happy knitting indeed! What ever pace and technique we chose.
I do this with mittens and sleeves all the time... it's the only way to go for me... as I don't always follow a pattern. Mary Maxim also sells twin yarn cakes for socks. This method is the cat's meow. 🤗 I will never do one at a time again... unless I lose one mitten... 😂(which I'm doing now).
We are hand knitters who are creative artists. I take time to complete my projects unless it is a target project. My speed slows under pressure. Where as when I enjoy and love a project it finishes fast. I knit my socks 2 at a time in different sets of dpns. Enjoyed your detailed talk . Thank you.
I am always changing things up, I get bored sometimes. So right now I have two at a time going and one some at a time on the go. There is a feeling I get when I finish something that I have made, ahhh, that great feeling of completion.
I do TAAT socks on two long cables, so the instep and heel/sole are on separate needles. And I make sure the cables are different colors. My current setup is a set of Chiagoo and Addis, size 1 with 40 inch cables. My current favorite sock is a toe-up sock with a German short row heel. I also mark the front of each sock with distinct stitch marker so I can identify sock #1, with which I always begin and end a knitting session. Helps me keep track of everything. Thanks again for such a wonderful video. The tip about a center pull ball is great. Looking forward to checking out everyone's recommendations!
Hi Taylor I just did this … made a pair of fingerless mittens with magic loop … I always did 2 pairs of everything but on needles Ana’s sewing up sides Who said you can’t teach a dog new tricks Love it 🥰 Loved your podcast as usually !!! Debbie 🇨🇦🇨🇦 I’m so excited
After some frustration, I came up with my own version of two at a time. I use two circular needles. I'm a toe up person, so I do the toe box first, on each needle, and then go back and forth between the socks knitting about an inch at a time to bring them to completion together. Works great and way less frustration!
As for casting on TAAT toe up socks, I have also done a method where you do a provisional cast on for half the stitches, knit what is basically your favorite short row heel, slide those stitches down the cable when finished, then provisionally cast on the second toe the same way. Once both toes/short row heels are done, you will have half the stitches for each sock on one side of the cable, then pick up the other half of each sock from the provisional cast on side on the other side. Then boom you got two toe up socks ready for TAAT knitting!
I’ll only knit cuff down socks one at a time, and colorwork socks one at a time. I can’t manage all of that yarn effectively enough to feel comfortable doing them both at once
My joy is knitting 2@a time using 2 separate 9” circulars. So easy. No yarn tangles & easy commuter knitting too. Cuff down, heel gusset and round toes. Able to compare leg and foot length immediately. Knitting mojo never stops,. Typically one day behind the other and done! Just another suggestion for anyone not thrilled with magic loop and/or yarn management. Just sayin…
I imagined that you could never get me to give up my dpn's and I have a small fortune in them. I learned to lever knit which works best for me, but when I am on dpns, I am stopping to move from one needle to the other and often having to re-tension the yarn in my hand. So, I reluctantly tried this. I think that like many, I have a love/hate relationship with magic loop. I tried two circ's and that seemed harder to handle for two at a time socks. Yes, it was a tad fiddly and I did do my cuffs on separate needles and then attached them, but I'm whizzing along on the magic loop. You have great energy and you talk about things in such depth that I thought that if she likes it, then I might like it, too. As for dpns, there's also the time when you're knitting in bed and one has to tear apart the whole bed to find that one needle that got away. As for the flexi dpns, I don't know if you did anything on them, but for me they are an absolute nightmare. You have just converted me to this method and I'm happy as a clam if you think of a clam as constantly smiling.
One of the reasons I like bottom up (nearly seamless) sweaters, is you can knit both sleeves at the same time and sometimes even the body as well, so no sleeve island syndrome.
Hi Tayler, thank you for another interesting and informative episode. I don’t like using magic loop generally so won’t be trying the method I do knit a lot of socks one at a time cuff down using dpns. I avoid second sock syndrome by casting on the second sock as soon as I finish the first one.However, I do sometimes fail to finish the first sock😢. Is there a term for that problem?
Great episode! I used to teach knitting and I always wanted to give students the confidence to try new skills that are just enough to stretch them but also within their range so that they would have a successful outcome and therefore be more likely to stick with it. This video does just that!
I have only tried making a sock ONCE and my friend was teaching me toe down 2 at a time. This was like 3 years ago. It scared me. But I think I may be willing to try it again.
Am ojly a TAAT sock knitter, cuff down AND toe up. I complete a pair a week. I never knit the same pattern twice. I like learning something new with every project, its about the journey.
I appreciate your work and all the Information you give, even for a knitter without much experience and nooo sock knitter experience🤣🤗 it is a goal for 2023 for me to finish a pair of Socks. Hopefully no SSS. Thank you!!!!!
I’m an exclusively TAAT knitter and always toe up because you can cast on both socks on the same needle. Use Judy’s magic cast on. No fuss with slipping stitches onto a holder. And you can knit the socks without worry of running out of yarn, you just knit until the yarn is used up (if you want a long leg sock) or that partner with ‘long’ feet.
I always cast on TAAT toe up using the Turkish Cast On method which allows me to cast them both on at the same time on the same needle. It’s a bit fiddly at the start but it’s better than having to put one sock on a holder and then transfer it to the main needle.
I knit socks with dpn's and do TAAT. I use 2 sets of dpn's. Cast on and knit the toe of one, then the other. Same with the heel. For the foot and leg portion, I use yarn markers to keep track of rounds and just switch back and forth between the socks.
When I knit TAAT, it begins to feel heavy and my wrist feels uncomfortable. So I'll knit them separately but now I'll knit one for 10 rows then go to the other socks for 10 rows.
I love, love, love 2AAT but I use 2 circulars. Toe up or cuff down. When you're done, you're DONE. After listening to most of your video, I can tell you that you can cast on both socks to start. it's a little fussy, but once you get it, it's pretty smooth. The more you do that the easier it gets. Also, one really good pro is that you don't have to keep track of how many rows you knit on the first sock so you can knit the second one the same. When I first learned to knit socks I did them one at a time, but once I learned 2AAT I would never go back to knitting individual socks. Good info on your video
Currently working 4 at a time - 2 pair on size 0 needles so going slowly. For me TAAT means no counting to the rows are even and ease of keeping going on the project. I happen to knit on 2 circulars just because I always have.
I exclusively knit my socks TAAT! But I always cast on both socks on one needle, there are some great tutorials out there for casting on cuff down socks in magic loop. Toe up I just use Judy’s magic cast on twice on one needle!
I wanted to approach my first air of socks. I am so glad I saw this before attempting the project. I definitely think this is the way to go for me. The thought of doing one sock and then starting all over again, especially as a beginner who will ahve to pay attention to the instructions, this sounds like a dream come true. Thank you Tayler.
Melissa Morgan-Oakes has a book about this and she teaches how to cast on both socks on the same needles. I have the finnish version, so i don't know if the name of the book is the same in english, but in finnish it's: Knit 2 socks at the same time. She has books for both, toe up and cuff down.
I love that second sock! It goes so fast. All of the considerations as to size, pattern, color (and trying on for fit) has occurred on the first sock - so the second is a pure joy to make. I do tend to tink a lot when I reconsider, miscalculate or make an error. I would hate to have to tink one sock and not the other. I guess I could hold the “good sock” aside while tinking and repairing but it seems more fiddly than I’d like. Whatever works best, right? I think it’s fun that we all have ideas about how to get our projects done.
I knit socks two simultaneously - toe, toe; foot, foot; heel, heel; ankle, ankle; leg, leg. Never have second sock syndrome and a pair is complete within a few hours or a day at most of each other. I do wind yarn into two cakes and use a divided project bag.
If I want a matched pair I do two at a time. ESPECIALLY when trying to match up stripes in self-striping yarn. If I'm more interested in the speed of finishing a single sock I'll pick two different sock patterns that kinda go together-ish and knit two different sock patterns in the same yarn for coordinating mismatched socks. If that makes sense. I think it adds a touch of whimsy. I've not been good about updating my ravelry but to see what I mean I have at least one set of "sister socks" on my project page (HollyHobbies)
I suffer with SSS. I’ve now made 4 pairs TAAT but I use two shorter cables one with the fronts on the other with the backs on. I use the fish lips kiss heel working one at a time following the instructions.
I'm another who learned to do TAAT by casting both socks on to one needle. :) When I first learned to sock knit I definitely suffered SSS. I don't so much any more. My favorite way though it concurrent like someone else said. It does take two needles but I have plenty so that isn't a problem. I just do cuff 1, cuff 2, leg 1, leg 2, etc. Then by the time I finish sock 1 I'm right behind it with sock two and it didn't feel like it took as long (to me).
This would have saved me from a boneheaded mistake I made with a pair of socks. I made one sock and got distracted for a few weeks before I picked up my yarn and needles to make the second sock. Unfortunately, I guessed wrong on which needles I used, and ended up with 1 1/2 socks that were not the same size. If I had more yarn I could have made mates for the ones i had knitted, but I didn't, so I had to frog the 2nd sock. This is also payback for my carelessness in documenting my work. My New Year's resolution is to track my projects in Ravelry. I hope that 2023 is good to all of us!
Thanks for the video Taylor. I agree completely - anything tubular and I'm there knitting both things at the same time (no second sock syndrome; no second sleeve syndrome either). Where I would disagree is that you can't cast on both, onto your long circular, at the same time. As with yarn - it just takes some organisation. Toe up socks are particularly easy, but I'm currently working on some top down socks where, as usual, I cast on half the stitches for sock A, then half the stitches for sock B, turn my needles, CO the second half of the stitches for sock B, and then the rest of the stitches for sock A. Doing it this way also prevents any confusion about where the beginning of round is if one sock has been hanging about elsewhere. Thanks again - love your work. Bea
I am a TAAT toe up sock knitter. My pro is that my socks are the same size and I don't have to count rows. For me that is a big win. I've done it that way so long it would feel odd to do one at a time. I tried four at a time once. Won't do that again!
This was so timely! I was really thinking about learning this method just so I could stop measuring my legs and cuffs. But honestly that seems way easier than worrying about casting on two at a time. I also am not a fan of magic loop and prefer 9in circulars and actually knit second socks faster than my first since I get a little rush with finishing an item. But I think it would be a great idea for something that’s maybe a process, gift, or even a challenging knit when consistency is your goal. Thanks again for some great points and a great video!
I learned to make socks two at a time using 16" and 24" needles so both socks were cast on together, and it worked out fine from the first. I have never made socks any other way. Antje Gillingham's book was my guide and it made perfect sense to me (because the idea of DPNs and one sock at a time was crazy to me!)
I’m almost finished with my first pair of TAAT toe up socks. I used Melissa Morgan-Oakes’ book “Toe-Up 2-at-a-Time Socks”. The Helix pattern - even with cables!! I’m sold on doing all my future socks this way now…
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TAAT tip: You can cast on both socks for cuff down onto your needles without all of the fussiness of extra needles. You basically just cast on half of the stitches for the first sock then push them down the needle. Cast on on all of the stitches for your second sock and slide those down. Bring your needles together, slide the half cast on first sock all the way to the needles(they should be on the left needle) and finishing casting on the first sock by putting the remaining stitches on the empty needle(it should be the right needle). You will need to divide the stitches of the second sock in half over the bend in the cable, and then get going in the round.
I don't know if this makes sense, but I'm sure there is a tutorial out there for this somewhere and it's super easy and way less fussy. :)
Edited to add TAAT for life! My SSS is extreme and thank goodness this method exist lol.
This is totally how I do it. Sometimes I bump up to a 47" cable for extra wiggle room while setting them up
This is exactly how I cast on for taat, such a game changer after spending ages casting each sock on separately then sliding them onto one long cable. It's only way I knit a pair of socks for me now, sleeves, mittens etc
I’ve done it this way in the past too
Was just coming to say the sam thing. Cast 1/2 with the 1st, then cast all with the 2nd, split the all, then cast on the last 1/2 from the 1st
Cool. I definitely will try this!!
Hi! I really appreciate your video. Just fyi, it’s really possible to cast on both socks on the same circular needle. Basically you cast on the first half of stitches of the first sock, then all the stitches of the second sock and finally the second part of the first sock. Hard to explain but easy to do!! 😂
I TOTALLY GET IT! Thank you!! I’m pinning this comment! ❤❤❤❤
I knit TAAT TU toe up, and I really like using the Turkish Cast On. Really easy for TAAT.
I was going to say this but didn't know how to explain.
TAAT Toe up Turkish cast on with a fleegle heel.
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That's the only way I knit socks - 2 at a time, toe up! It works great for sleeves, too! When you knit toe up, once you've got half the foot knitted, you can stuff the balls of yarn into the toes, too!
YES! I do this for all my socks, and recently tried this for sleeves (its great and they always match!)
Thank you for suggesting sleeves too!
My preferred method too. And I love being able to try on the socks as I go, so my heels always go in the right spot.
I love that idea!! So smart!
Sleeves too? You switch back and forth for each row, or do you actually get them on one needle? I need this!
I'm definitely a TAAT knitter, but I go toe-up with Judy's magic cast-on and it is literally magic. No fuss here!
Same here
Taylor …my solution is to always knit socks concurrently ….
I do cuff #1, cuff #2,, leg #1, leg #2….you get the idea!!
Makes sock knitting fun!!
This is exactly how I do it, too!
I also prefer to make my socks concurrently!
And to make the same mistakes on both items ;) btw, I do this with sleeves too.
This is how I do it! That way I can avoid second-sock syndrome while still using DPNs, which are my preferred sock-knitting method.
Oooh! I like this idea❤️ trying that next!!! I struggle w magic loop and laddering on the gaps.
Thanks for the tip!
TAAT Tip: I have added grommets to all my project bags. Since I always use at least 2 colors for socks, I feed one color for each sock through each grommet, and zip the bag. Then there is no tangled yarn and when I turn my needles, I just flip the bag. Also, I use DPNs for the gusset. The rest of the socks are on my 40” or 47” needles. Hope that helps.
If you knit toe up, it's super easy to cast both socks on the same needle using the magic cast-on.
Yup!
I love Turkish cast on! Soooo easy!
There is one more way to do TAAT which is how I do it now. First I want to say I feel responsible for this video after declaring my astonishment at your ufo socks. LOL! I agree you should definitely do TAAT. I have made TAAT on two circs and also magic loop with a single circ… but I so love my dpns and feel like I am eating cake without icing when I don’t get to use my beloved dpns, so I do TAAT tandem on dpns. Two identical sets of dpns, yarn into two cakes, cast on, cast on, 20 rows rib, 20 rows rib, 10 leg, 10 leg etc… You get the gist. I love it. It goes surprisingly fast and they get finished at the same time. Sometimes I leave one sock upstairs and one downstairs. If I am upstairs I will grab one and do a few rounds, and then when I go downstairs I work on the other. Sometimes one sock gains on the other (usually the leg of the sock knit in front of a good movie) but leapfrog doesn’t have to be equal. This is my perfect TAAT. No cords, no yarns tangling together (each is in it’s own ziplock bag), I get to use my dpns and both socks get finished the same day. ❤
oooh, this is a great idea! I'll have to try it
@@WildeBookGarden Me too. My friend and I call it TAATT (Two at a time tandem). The thing is the only time I get to use my dpn’s is small circumference knitting and I was loathe to forgo them every time I did taat on ML. This way I get the best of both worlds and the socks really do get finished. I don’t allow myself to do the toe on one until the foot on the other is done too. Something about it… ❤️
I've attempted it just for proof of concept, but you can also knit 2 at a time simultaneously on a single set of needles by essentially stranded knitting with two yarns and just always keeping the strands in their position. You could also look at it like double knitting. I'm sure someone made a video. I found it overwhelming when I tried it many years ago and haven't gotten around to trying it again.
@@angrytrees7519 This sounds like taat on magic loop. 2 balls of yarn. 2 socks, one circular needle. Is that what you mean?
I love that TAAT works so well for so many people! That’s the magic of knitting, there’s something for everyone. I personally don’t prefer it - constantly dropping and picking up strands of yarn totally interrupts my flow and I don’t like how the “inactive” sock restricts the free movement of my cables, even when they’re super long. One at a time magic loop is where my heart lies.
All my socks are knit 2 at at time! Yes I find it more fussy at times and see people working on one sock and I think "wow that looks relaxing", BUT....I agree with the motivation of knowing they will be done at the same time is a huge bonus. Although, for me (and my personal brand of neurosis)... knowing they will be worked IDENTICALLY and that any changes I made were very easy to make on both socks at the same time, and not forgotten if I didn't write it down, is the absolute answer for me.
Cheers!
AAAAANd that intro is why you're my very favorite TH-camr. Lol. I too suffered from SSS. But I was able to find help. (And you can too!!!) 9" circulars were my solution and I haven't looked back. I'm a cuff, cuff, leg, leg, heel, heel, etc kind of girl.
The comment of “there are people who enjoy weaving in ends, to each their own” made me laugh so hard 🤣😂 you’ve got my sub lmao
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2AAT is my preferred sock knitting technique, and toe-up is the way to go. You can easily do Judy’s Magic or the Turkish cast-on with only a few stitches, creating a seamless, beautiful toe tip. Then you just increase from there, with both socks on the single circular. I love to knit socks with the Chiaogoo Mini Twist sock needles. The cords are thin and super-flexible, like a piece of cooked angel hair pasta. No Second Sock Syndrome, ever.
I also do TAAT Toe Up. I always use the turkish cast on: wrap the stitches for one sock, tuck the yarn between the needles, slide down, and cast on the second one. I use a 50 inch cable, because I was always worrying the stitches were going to slide off the end. That made me tense and feeling claustrophobic. The 50 inch cable also is handy for magic loop on toques aka beanies.
Yes but then you have to make sure you have a nice stretchy bind off.
@@fleeperification Staci Perry of Very Pink Knits has the Simple Stretchy Bind-off. Very easy and very stretchy.
I knit two socks at a time simultaneously. I prefer DPNs and I prefer to knit both two at a time on DPNs. I cast on two socks on separate pairs of DPNs and I knit a little on one sock, then catch up the second sock. I am just not a fan of magic loop.
I’m knitting TAAT right now but on 2 needles. I’m doing magic loop for each sock and just knitting a stripe one one, then a stripe on the other, going back and forth that way until I finish both socks. There’s multiple ways to do TAAT! You can also use two 16 or 24” needles instead of one 40”. 😊❤❤❤
I do TAAT on multiple sets of DPNs or short circs (or a mix if I can’t find what I need 😂)
Hi Star!
@@mickiwhite4754 hi Micki!
I just have two sets of DPNs and I work on them evenly. It really helps with SSS!
I saw your bread tag when you showed your mom’s mitts and wanted to tell you that ever since you shared that tip a few weeks ago I have saved my plastic bread ties and use them to contain the excess cast on yarn on all my projects now! That is such a great simple tip! Thanks.
It’s hilarious to me they you’ve posted this literally during the MINUTES I’ve been searching for TAAT (toe up) magic loop.
I’ve only tried magic loop once and loathed it. But that may be to do with cuff down, which I also don’t love! But I love knitting TAAT to avoid second sock syndrome (I just use two sets of DPNs/short circs, or a mix of 😂) and like pushing myself to keep trying things I don’t like.
You’ve given me some tips and things to think about that I haven’t previously considered!
👍…..Have not knit my socks any other way than 2 @ a time toe up. Just a thought….a very comprehensive, well written sock pattern with great feedback are the DRK Everyday Socks by Andrea Mowry. Great for an adventurous first time sock knitter, and available in 11 sizes so that you can make a pair for each member of your family or friends. 😉. Lots to learn and enjoy from this pattern. Another insightful podcast…thank you again for sharing your time with us☺️🇨🇦
Hi! Great video and information! I knit 2 socks at a time but on separate needles.. I’ll knit 10 rows on one then flip to the other… do the complete heal flap on one then another… love knitting socks 🧦!
I use two separate 24” circular needles per sock. I cast on two socks on separate sets of needles. The way I stay motivated is to break the project down by sections of the sock. Example, I knit leg one & then leg two.
Leg, heel, foot toes are my sections. I learned about using two circular needles for sock knitting from Denise Earthtonesgirl. I 💕 your informative videos❤
Having tried to crochet a pair of socks eight or nine times... having failed in completing all of them, going into my knitting journey I already know I suffer from second sock syndrome... and this is perfect. I'm so excited to finish my first sweater and jump (feet first) into a pair of vanilla socks to get my bearings. Thank you for the links and inspo 🥰
I’m so glad this has motivated you to try! It really is the best way IMO. Give it a bit to settle in. There is a learning curve. But once you get past those first few rounds, or even the cuff, you’re good to go. Have fun!! ❤️
For toe-up TAAT, I have been able to cast both socks on to the same needle using Judy’s Magic Cast-On. It’s very fiddly and takes some forethought, but it can be done!
I also knit my sweater sleeves TAAT. One thing I don’t recommend though: knitting colorwork on sleeves TAAT where I’m pulling from both ends of the balls of each color. It was a nightmare of yarn tangling.
I am currently knitting my first pair of socks at the same time! But instead if doing TAAT on one circular needle, I am using two separate circular needles. Seems easier to me!
Staci from very pink knits has 2 fantastic tutorial with videos included which shows how to knit TAAT . Her patterns r absolutely phenomenal and the videos hold your hand throughout.
When I learned how to knit socks 7 or 8 years ago, I only did one at a time for about 2 pairs. My friend inspired me to learn two at a time on 2 circulars because they are identical, they require less counting of rows and they actually got me to want to perfect my technique. For some reason, I had a mental block in getting it when it came to the heels and how to keep all of it straight to get back to my original stitch count to keep going. That took me a LONG time to improve on. However, I kept at it and my skills increased and the satisfaction I get when I see the finished product is worth all the hard work to learn.
I bought 2 9” circular needles for this exact reason , so i knit them both at the same time
I am definitely a toe up TAAT sock knitter. Over the last few years I have knit 80 pairs of socks. I use the fish lips kiss heel method which works best for me. I will challenge myself one day with the Magic Socks method by Kate Atherley.
I have not knit many socks, but I always knit “taat”. However I use 9 inch circulars. I just have a double set up of the needles I will need. I work a few rounds on one sock, then move to the next. It works for me. This I know, I would never finish a pair of socks if I did one at a time. I love all your information. Thank you for taking time out of your life to teach this community of knitters something we can use. Keep up the good work❣️❣️
Yes! Once I learned to knit 2 at a time, I was much happier. Cons? There are no cons. That's crazy talk!
If you’re interested, a TH-camr named Nancy Wynn has a great tutorial for casting on and splitting the stitches so you don’t have to do a cuff at a time. Much more convenient.
My TAAT method is to use two 9-inch circular needles! So it makes me feel like I was in a competition knitting between two socks...
I don't usually suffer from SSS, but I have tried TAAT socks and like it. The thing that usually stops me from doing it is the initial step of separating the skein or cake into two :) When I cast on, I do one at a time, knit the ribbing for each separately and then start TAAT with the leg. I have always knit the heels separately as well.
I have put off knitting two socks at a time because I was afraid it might be frustrating; but after listening to you give the pros and cons, I think my mind is organized enough to give it a try.
I can't, just can't knit TAAT on the same needle, it drives me crazy but I love the idea. So I've started setting up everything the same way but on 2 circulars. Cuff 1, cuff 2, and then 5-10 rows on sock 1, then 5-10 on sock 2, back and forth, heel 1, heel 2... if I have a complicated stitch pattern I'd probably just switch between the socks each row but I don't find that as fiddly as yarn management.
I have 2 socks going at a time with my dpns. I do the cuff on one, then with a separate set of needles do the other cuff, then the legs etc. I love the feel of my wooden needles is one reason I use this method.
I haven't had a lot of experience with circular needles and it sounds too fusy.... but I could try.
Very informative video, good ideas. 😊 Thanks
I really only knit socks and mittens two at a time for me it doesn’t take long at all I can’t finish one sock to start over again 😂😂😂😂😂 great video
When I knit TAAT in 2 strands, I put each of the 4 skeins in a fold over cheapie flap sandwich baggie (they are very sheer & do NOT Haase a zip lock.
Works well.
Hi Tayler,. I love that I literally just cast on for taat mittens tonight, then your video popped up. I really love the feeling of getting both done at once and knowing they will be exactly the same. Thanks for another great ramble. 🧦
Great podcast, as always! I love the way you unpack pros and cons. I think TAAT makes perfect sense if one has second sock syndrome. For now, I don't, and the yarn management issues drove me a little nuts when I tried it. So for now, I'm a 9"-circular girl. If anyone is interested and belongs to Craftsy, Kate Atherly has a class there on TAAT sock knitting. She shows the way to cast on both to the one long circular, like someone mentioned.
I’ve seen a woman doing two at a time scarves. Different yarn, different pattern, same gauge obviously. I was blown away. Oh and they weren’t tubular. Just knitting back and forth on a circular needle. Oh the possibilities!
Thanks for inspiring me to move to one needle for TAAT Magic Loop. I just finished my first pair of Magic Loop socks. I did quasi-TAAT using two separate needles. Now, I cast on TAAT Magic Loop socks on one needle. You said it is fiddly at first and I a bit underestimated that. It was not just the casting on separately but hard to manage when the socks are small and there are still tails around, etc. But now I'm a few rows past the toes and I can see this will be well worth it! Thank you!
Ok… you convinced me. I’m gonna try it. I have wanted to for a while now. Great video. Bravo! It’s about happy knitting indeed! What ever pace and technique we chose.
I do this with mittens and sleeves all the time... it's the only way to go for me... as I don't always follow a pattern. Mary Maxim also sells twin yarn cakes for socks. This method is the cat's meow. 🤗 I will never do one at a time again... unless I lose one mitten... 😂(which I'm doing now).
The setup is more fiddly but the frustration of not being done is enough to get me over the hump of the setup
Thank you for the podcast. I will continue to knit socks one at a time lol but I appreciate the point of view!!
We are hand knitters who are creative artists. I take time to complete my projects unless it is a target project. My speed slows under pressure. Where as when I enjoy and love a project it finishes fast. I knit my socks 2 at a time in different sets of dpns. Enjoyed your detailed talk . Thank you.
I am always changing things up, I get bored sometimes. So right now I have two at a time going and one some at a time on the go. There is a feeling I get when I finish something that I have made, ahhh, that great feeling of completion.
I do TAAT socks on two long cables, so the instep and heel/sole are on separate needles. And I make sure the cables are different colors. My current setup is a set of Chiagoo and Addis, size 1 with 40 inch cables. My current favorite sock is a toe-up sock with a German short row heel.
I also mark the front of each sock with distinct stitch marker so I can identify sock #1, with which I always begin and end a knitting session. Helps me keep track of everything.
Thanks again for such a wonderful video. The tip about a center pull ball is great. Looking forward to checking out everyone's recommendations!
I appreciate the pattern bundles you create to go wit your videos. They are really helpful
Hi Taylor
I just did this … made a pair of fingerless mittens with magic loop … I always did 2 pairs of everything but on needles Ana’s sewing up sides
Who said you can’t teach a dog new tricks
Love it 🥰
Loved your podcast as usually !!!
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I’m so excited
After some frustration, I came up with my own version of two at a time. I use two circular needles. I'm a toe up person, so I do the toe box first, on each needle, and then go back and forth between the socks knitting about an inch at a time to bring them to completion together. Works great and way less frustration!
As for casting on TAAT toe up socks, I have also done a method where you do a provisional cast on for half the stitches, knit what is basically your favorite short row heel, slide those stitches down the cable when finished, then provisionally cast on the second toe the same way. Once both toes/short row heels are done, you will have half the stitches for each sock on one side of the cable, then pick up the other half of each sock from the provisional cast on side on the other side. Then boom you got two toe up socks ready for TAAT knitting!
I’ll only knit cuff down socks one at a time, and colorwork socks one at a time. I can’t manage all of that yarn effectively enough to feel comfortable doing them both at once
Hi Tayler, I just found your channel yesterday and I love it! Thank you for your welcoming, thoughtful videos!
Very Pink knits has a tutorial on how to cast both socks on the same needle.
I love knitting socks and sleeves two at a time.
My joy is knitting 2@a time using 2 separate 9” circulars. So easy. No yarn tangles & easy commuter knitting too. Cuff down, heel gusset and round toes. Able to compare leg and foot length immediately. Knitting mojo never stops,. Typically one day behind the other and done! Just another suggestion for anyone not thrilled with magic loop and/or yarn management. Just sayin…
I imagined that you could never get me to give up my dpn's and I have a small fortune in them. I learned to lever knit which works best for me, but when I am on dpns, I am stopping to move from one needle to the other and often having to re-tension the yarn in my hand. So, I reluctantly tried this. I think that like many, I have a love/hate relationship with magic loop. I tried two circ's and that seemed harder to handle for two at a time socks. Yes, it was a tad fiddly and I did do my cuffs on separate needles and then attached them, but I'm whizzing along on the magic loop. You have great energy and you talk about things in such depth that I thought that if she likes it, then I might like it, too. As for dpns, there's also the time when you're knitting in bed and one has to tear apart the whole bed to find that one needle that got away. As for the flexi dpns, I don't know if you did anything on them, but for me they are an absolute nightmare. You have just converted me to this method and I'm happy as a clam if you think of a clam as constantly smiling.
I enjoyed today’s episode, especially HAPPY TOIL.😂
One of the reasons I like bottom up (nearly seamless) sweaters, is you can knit both sleeves at the same time and sometimes even the body as well, so no sleeve island syndrome.
Hi Tayler, thank you for another interesting and informative episode. I don’t like using magic loop generally so won’t be trying the method I do knit a lot of socks one at a time cuff down using dpns. I avoid second sock syndrome by casting on the second sock as soon as I finish the first one.However, I do sometimes fail to finish the first sock😢. Is there a term for that problem?
I use two large binder clips when TAAT. Clip them onto the edge of the bag after putting the yarn through one of the arms of each clip.
Great episode! I used to teach knitting and I always wanted to give students the confidence to try new skills that are just enough to stretch them but also within their range so that they would have a successful outcome and therefore be more likely to stick with it. This video does just that!
I have only tried making a sock ONCE and my friend was teaching me toe down 2 at a time. This was like 3 years ago. It scared me. But I think I may be willing to try it again.
Am ojly a TAAT sock knitter, cuff down AND toe up. I complete a pair a week. I never knit the same pattern twice. I like learning something new with every project, its about the journey.
For me, it’s about keeping the same gauge, the same number of rows coming out with two socks 🧦 the same size.
I appreciate your work and all the Information you give, even for a knitter without much experience and nooo sock knitter experience🤣🤗 it is a goal for 2023 for me to finish a pair of Socks. Hopefully no SSS. Thank you!!!!!
I’m an exclusively TAAT knitter and always toe up because you can cast on both socks on the same needle. Use Judy’s magic cast on. No fuss with slipping stitches onto a holder. And you can knit the socks without worry of running out of yarn, you just knit until the yarn is used up (if you want a long leg sock) or that partner with ‘long’ feet.
I always cast on TAAT toe up using the Turkish Cast On method which allows me to cast them both on at the same time on the same needle. It’s a bit fiddly at the start but it’s better than having to put one sock on a holder and then transfer it to the main needle.
Thank you Tayler! You’ve inspired me to give the TAAT method a try 🎉! I’ve suffered with SSS and no remedy has worked lol. You’re the best 😊
I knit socks with dpn's and do TAAT. I use 2 sets of dpn's. Cast on and knit the toe of one, then the other. Same with the heel. For the foot and leg portion, I use yarn markers to keep track of rounds and just switch back and forth between the socks.
When I knit TAAT, it begins to feel heavy and my wrist feels uncomfortable. So I'll knit them separately but now I'll knit one for 10 rows then go to the other socks for 10 rows.
Your timing on this is impreccible. You'd already convinced me to knit two socks at a time and this videos was super helpful.
I love it for lace-socks!
I love, love, love 2AAT but I use 2 circulars. Toe up or cuff down. When you're done, you're DONE.
After listening to most of your video, I can tell you that you can cast on both socks to start. it's a little fussy, but once you get it, it's pretty smooth. The more you do that the easier it gets. Also, one really good pro is that you don't have to keep track of how many rows you knit on the first sock so you can knit the second one the same. When I first learned to knit socks I did them one at a time, but once I learned 2AAT I would never go back to knitting individual socks. Good info on your video
Currently working 4 at a time - 2 pair on size 0 needles so going slowly. For me TAAT means no counting to the rows are even and ease of keeping going on the project. I happen to knit on 2 circulars just because I always have.
I exclusively knit my socks TAAT! But I always cast on both socks on one needle, there are some great tutorials out there for casting on cuff down socks in magic loop. Toe up I just use Judy’s magic cast on twice on one needle!
I wanted to approach my first air of socks. I am so glad I saw this before attempting the project. I definitely think this is the way to go for me. The thought of doing one sock and then starting all over again, especially as a beginner who will ahve to pay attention to the instructions, this sounds like a dream come true. Thank you Tayler.
Thank you soooooo much for this. I was going to look up more on knitting two at a time and then you made this video 😍 and the links ❣️❣️❣️
I like to do mine concurrently. I find that it addresses the pros of TAAT without a lot of the cons.
Melissa Morgan-Oakes has a book about this and she teaches how to cast on both socks on the same needles. I have the finnish version, so i don't know if the name of the book is the same in english, but in finnish it's: Knit 2 socks at the same time. She has books for both, toe up and cuff down.
I love that second sock! It goes so fast. All of the considerations as to size, pattern, color (and trying on for fit) has occurred on the first sock - so the second is a pure joy to make.
I do tend to tink a lot when I reconsider, miscalculate or make an error. I would hate to have to tink one sock and not the other. I guess I could hold the “good sock” aside while tinking and repairing but it seems more fiddly than I’d like.
Whatever works best, right? I think it’s fun that we all have ideas about how to get our projects done.
I appreciate this video, going to cast on some socks after this baby sweater and will be looking at the tutorials for assistance!!!
My TAAT socks are knit on 2 circulars. Easy to cast on both on the same needles.
I knit socks two simultaneously - toe, toe; foot, foot; heel, heel; ankle, ankle; leg, leg. Never have second sock syndrome and a pair is complete within a few hours or a day at most of each other. I do wind yarn into two cakes and use a divided project bag.
If I want a matched pair I do two at a time. ESPECIALLY when trying to match up stripes in self-striping yarn. If I'm more interested in the speed of finishing a single sock I'll pick two different sock patterns that kinda go together-ish and knit two different sock patterns in the same yarn for coordinating mismatched socks. If that makes sense. I think it adds a touch of whimsy. I've not been good about updating my ravelry but to see what I mean I have at least one set of "sister socks" on my project page (HollyHobbies)
I suffer with SSS. I’ve now made 4 pairs TAAT but I use two shorter cables one with the fronts on the other with the backs on. I use the fish lips kiss heel working one at a time following the instructions.
Thanks for sharing this information! I'm planning to knit my first pair of socks soon and this is very helpful!
I do the same set up with gloves and mittens.
I'm another who learned to do TAAT by casting both socks on to one needle. :)
When I first learned to sock knit I definitely suffered SSS. I don't so much any more. My favorite way though it concurrent like someone else said. It does take two needles but I have plenty so that isn't a problem. I just do cuff 1, cuff 2, leg 1, leg 2, etc. Then by the time I finish sock 1 I'm right behind it with sock two and it didn't feel like it took as long (to me).
This would have saved me from a boneheaded mistake I made with a pair of socks. I made one sock and got distracted for a few weeks before I picked up my yarn and needles to make the second sock. Unfortunately, I guessed wrong on which needles I used, and ended up with 1 1/2 socks that were not the same size. If I had more yarn I could have made mates for the ones i had knitted, but I didn't, so I had to frog the 2nd sock. This is also payback for my carelessness in documenting my work. My New Year's resolution is to track my projects in Ravelry. I hope that 2023 is good to all of us!
Thanks for the video Taylor. I agree completely - anything tubular and I'm there knitting both things at the same time (no second sock syndrome; no second sleeve syndrome either). Where I would disagree is that you can't cast on both, onto your long circular, at the same time. As with yarn - it just takes some organisation. Toe up socks are particularly easy, but I'm currently working on some top down socks where, as usual, I cast on half the stitches for sock A, then half the stitches for sock B, turn my needles, CO the second half of the stitches for sock B, and then the rest of the stitches for sock A. Doing it this way also prevents any confusion about where the beginning of round is if one sock has been hanging about elsewhere. Thanks again - love your work. Bea
I am a TAAT toe up sock knitter. My pro is that my socks are the same size and I don't have to count rows. For me that is a big win. I've done it that way so long it would feel odd to do one at a time. I tried four at a time once. Won't do that again!
I have knit all of my socks 2 at a time and I use 2 sets of shorter circular needles and cuff down
This was so timely! I was really thinking about learning this method just so I could stop measuring my legs and cuffs. But honestly that seems way easier than worrying about casting on two at a time. I also am not a fan of magic loop and prefer 9in circulars and actually knit second socks faster than my first since I get a little rush with finishing an item. But I think it would be a great idea for something that’s maybe a process, gift, or even a challenging knit when consistency is your goal. Thanks again for some great points and a great video!
Thank you . I have been wanting to try this....now I know I need to do it!
I always do healflap and gusset and really prefer to make heal flap next to eachother instead of both in beginning or end of row
I learned to make socks two at a time using 16" and 24" needles so both socks were cast on together, and it worked out fine from the first. I have never made socks any other way. Antje Gillingham's book was my guide and it made perfect sense to me (because the idea of DPNs and one sock at a time was crazy to me!)
I’m almost finished with my first pair of TAAT toe up socks. I used Melissa Morgan-Oakes’ book “Toe-Up 2-at-a-Time Socks”. The Helix pattern - even with cables!! I’m sold on doing all my future socks this way now…