Everything GREAT About Dune: Part Two! (part 2)
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I don't think Feyd was so much as mocking Paul's line, it's that he's such a weirdo he's genuinely just like "damn, that's a really cool line. I'm gonna use it-aaaand I'm dead."
Feyd enjoys all aspects of fighting and bloodshed, the build up, the words, the honor, the lack of honor, he enjoys even his own death.
@@nolansaylor7710The character is sublime in his depiction of living for the duel, regardless of outcome. Rarely has such a pure duelist been shown with this kind of verve.
It’s sick and twisted, but it’s hard to look away. Relish and zeal, blood and steel.
I interpreted it as him ultimately being a prospect for The One, aka someone capable of violence but also capable of understanding other cultures and smarter than you may think. He seemed to weirdly and genuinely enjoy learning about his enemies. I didn't interpret his smirk as mocking, rather I saw it as his way of showing respect while being intrigued by another culture.
He definitely needed a Ricola
SAME! I think he had a weird respect for Paul actually. But still a bloody psychopath willing to kill him
One of my favourite moments is when Jessica tells him to slow down during his speech but instead Paul shifts into maximum overdrive, Jessica is using the wisdom of her order and female ancestors which prioritize careful planning and subtly, but Paul has access to both his female and male ancestors, men who were leaders and incharge of rallying their army to fight, Paul knows this is the time for decisive action and being forceful because he can see more than Jessica now
Paul also has deeper foresight, his Visions tell him exactly what to do and how far to go. Jessica might have Ancestor-memory and Bene Gesserit training, but not Paul's Vision. So while her advice is technically good, Paul knows more.
@@procrastinator99 Paul is basically living a choose your own adventure story with all the right dialogue options.
@@RazorO2Productions I.... honestly have never thought about it like that, but you're 100% right, and I will never read/watch this series without thinking this. My life is different now....
Paul is just showing off to his younger sister while she chilling in the womb lol
I would also argue that Paul understands the Fremen leadership better than Jessica. He understands that to win the Fremen you have to challenge and beat them. So he throws the gauntlet down with the biggest "Come at me, bro" imaginable and then makes the Fighter and the Priest bend the knee with his Vision. I love that speech too.
Man, the “Long Live the Fighters” speech in Chakobsa was incredible.
I felt like he was using his version of *the voice* when he said it, and his speech in the cave before it.
@@_GeneralMechanics_ Nah. his version of the voice is more powerful sounding. we literally hear it when he uses it on the reverend mother. it literally shook the whole theater with the bass. All the speeches were simply timmy tapping into a more gutteral part of his voice. there is a possibility they added something but neither denis or greg fraiser have said that they did. so its safe to say that was all timothee.
@@_GeneralMechanics_ A charismatic leader sweeping a people into a religious frenzy doesn't have the same impact if he used his space magic to make them do it. They wanted this, they've wanted this all their lives, they don't need to be compelled to follow him and that's kinda the whole point.
I lol at scrawny TIm whenever he tried sounding like a tough guy.
@@ItsMeBarnaby Yea and the voice only has a temporary effect often leaving the subject conflicted or confused afterward and that's not what you would want in a situation like that.
My favorite detail with Paul's speech is the fremen, and their knives all in a circle around him....like the mouth of the worm their weapons are from.
holy shit, that is a crazy analysis!
Ooooh I love that!
Wow I never thought of that, good eye!
As if to show that, in an ironic twist of fate, it is Paul who is ensnared in the jaws of fate and that of Shai-Hulud’s.
That's fire
Feyd was probably NOT "thirsting after his dead uncle." He realized that he had just become the Baron of House Harkonnen. If anything, it was thirst for power.
I thought he was thirsting over Paul’s power, the power to do what Feyd couldn’t.
@@isaacdalziel5772 Perhaps both? Since Paul just removed the Baron and elevated Feyd into power, Feyd is thinking about how much more power he could possess if he kills Paul. It's always a good time when we can turn our hobbies into a career :)
@@SilentSooYun Work isn't work when it's what you love to do!
You are wrong
He wanted to drow the Barón in his bath in the movie but also in the book wanted to kill the Baron with a needle in a slave
He see himself in Paul at least an equal
@@Morfe02 Who was wrong? And about what? You brought up an entirely different scene.
I took Feyd repeating Paul's "may thy blade chip and shatter" more to be that he's finally seeing someone as a worthy equal in combat. There's also that look when Paul uses the voice, like "ooh, I like this guy. I want to maybe ask him to go camping or something. Then maybe a duel to the death". He's driven by honor after all. And he does congratulate Paul at the end.
I mean... a fight's a fight, but when your opponent also delivers a cool one-liner before? This is the fight he's been waiting for. The duel against his true rival.
When the fremen burst out the sand at the final battle, I was just thinking that I never get tired of seeing the Fedaykin immediately burst into a sprint after being completely submerged in sand, and you took the words right outta my mouth.
I was thinking "they must have been buried there for hours."
@@RedHeadKevin
Yes, but they probably slept for most of it.
I mean, it’s what I’d do in their position.
An army of desert ninjas popping out of the sand, lead by a psychic that can see the future. And they ride giant worms into battle. Coolest army ever.
The sheer force and energy is goose bump inducing.
This movie would honestly benefit from an 'extended cut' treatment, so the story had more time to breathe.
The lack of a scene of spacing guild submitting to Paul at the end was the weirdest to leave out, since that's very crucial plot point for Paul securing his rule.
Bro I would love a 4 hour epic long dune part 2
Literally Denis film the plot of Hawan and the Count Fenring but they deleted . . .
I mean i would watch Dune accurate instead of Hollywood edited to modern feminist jew audiences 😂😂
@@Morfe02what the hell are you on about?
@@Morfe02You said something like that to Herbert and he would have put you on your ass.
I'd have loved to have seen the Spacing Guild too, but Paul didn't secure his rule in this film. Literally the final scene of the movie is the Great Houses refusing to recognize Paul's ascendancy and the Fremen loading up spaceships to wage Holy War.
There weren't nearly enough wins for Hans Zimmer and the score. I especially loved Paul & Chani's theme - how it started when they sandwalked together, came into full bloom when they kissed, and then faded sadly when Chani stormed out after the duel.
Also, just have to give a general shout-out for the entire last scene. From Paul confronting the Emperor and demanding to marry his daughter (which got an audible gasp from the audience when I saw it), to the duel, to the delivery of Paul's last line ("Lead them to paradise"), it's so incredibly impactful and a fitting end to the arc of the first two movies.
Hans knocked it out of the park once again, "kiss the ring" is one of the most beautiful pieces I've ever had the pleasure of listening to in a cinema. The mournful, but hard hitting build as Stilgar chants to the embarking Fremen was breathtaking
"Lead them to paradise" - said with such resignation and sadness, but also power, was remarkable... followed by Lady Jessica's answer to her daughter - "Your brother attacks the Great Houses. The Holy War begins."
[insert hyperspecific snobbish movie score review on the “obnoxious masculinity” of Dune’s score and how apparently Zimmer “doesn’t believe traditional scoring finesse and techniques apply to him”]
I like the score but I do have some umbrage with Zimmer referring to "wanting it to sound ethnic" totally unironically when he was talking about the first movie. I was like ooooh sir that is a big yikes to just bomb out there lol and don't get me wrong, he's a wonderful composer and can pull absolute magic out of his butt if/when he wants. The Lion King is one of my favourite scores of all times and he just made it because he wanted to work on a movie his kids could watch lol
the gasp with the proposal happened in my theater too and I was one of the people lol. SO perfectly played, I FELT like it was coming but it HIT when it happened.
The way my heart sank in the theatre during the destruction of sitch tablr. Seeing all the debris fall into the holy water was so devastating to watch
If they hadn't made the Harkonnen airship look just like the Mighty Monarch's Flying Cocoon, the scene would have had more impact for me. As it is, it looked like they were deploying the Acid Magnet.
“I got your 100th like Rehanpoonawalla!”-Feyd
Timothee really nailed the reluctant messiah that the book portrays. The idea of being able to see the future and picking a path that still leads to mass slaughter while knowing it may be the best outcome is challenging. How do you keep any sense of morality when you see the future at the scale of all of mankind.....Chani, his mother, and sister are the tethers for Paul to still see humanity on a personal scale. I am really looking forward to Dune 3.
Later in the series Paul sees the Golden Path of human survival and frankly admits that he's not willing to make the personal sacrifice necessary. His son Leto II is the one who voluntarily mutates into an immortal tyrant and savagely oppresses humanity for thousands of years to force them to develop the technology to disperse far beyond the Imperium and its Spacing Guild. The idea is that humanity will only survive by scattering across the Universe far beyond the reach of any central government or the ability of any single authority to track the diaspora. When the Thinking Machines return to exterminate humanity the species must survive. Without the Golden Path and its no-ships and Siona gene, all the machines would have had to do is seize the Guild database and destroy Arrakis, and then they could have eradicated the stranded and helpless worlds of the Imperium at leisure. This is Paul trying to avert the apocalypse.
@@tompearce5418 fantastic summary! I love the reveal in book three where we learn why Paul failed. It's because he couldn't sacrifice his humanity and his loved ones for the good of all mankind. He became too attached. Leto also feels the desire to retain his humanity and forego the golden path, but ultimately takes the plunge and goes where his father couldn't. Man I love Frank Herbert!
I personally like to think that Feyd returning the "may thy knife chip and shatter" line isn't mocking, it's more that he's never heard that before and is amused because it's so opposite to the honour and ceremony he's used to, but he genuinely likes it because he's a psycho
Honour? Harkonnens? The captive Atreides bar one were literally drugged for the arena fight. Harkonnens don't have honour.
@@CH-iy3kd I'd say it depends on the situation. For the most part, the Harkonnens do not view others as human but mere objects. But for Feyd-Rautha's case, he is weirdly honorable at times. When he recognized someone as worthy of his respect, you can see his honor.
My interpretation was that Feyd heard the line and thinks "oh shit that's so cooool" and is genuinely excited to fight Paul.
@@CH-iy3kd That's the point. Feyd is like Paul, he's the near culmination of the breeding program. He's a Harkonnen who doesn't JUST think like a Harkonnen, like Paul is an Atreides who is more than JUST an Atreides. They're both the archetype of their respective houses as well as able to step beyond those confines.
That's what makes Feyd so dangerous, he has the ruthlessness and cunning, but he's also aware that offering respect and sometimes appearing honourable bears no cost and can be advantageous. He knows it's as useful to be loved as it is to be feared. As Paul has learned it's as useful to be feared as it is to be loved.
I think the fact that, had Jessica fallen in line with the plan and allowed Paul to be born a girl, girl-Paul would have been wed to Feyd-Rautha in order to bring about the Bene Gesserit's choice of Kwisatz Haderach, cannot go overlooked when it comes to understanding the dynamic between Feyd and Paul.
That was the actual plan, for a Atredies daughter to be wed to a Harkonnan male.
@@Xardion55 Yes, which is exactly the plan I'm alluding to.
The move where Paul stabs Feyd is directly from the Gurney training scene in Part One! The sneaky stab unseen by camera as the slow blade penetrates the shield... The blade was slowed by Paul's own hand this time!
"I have you" - Paul
"Aye, but you'd have joined me in death" - Gurney
12:20 That SILENCE hits like cannon fire with the IMAX sound
Gave me tinnitus lol
It sound different on the phone. In Theatres you could hear a bass on Paul’s voice
It gives me chills EVERY DAMN TIME.
Same thing with Paul stamping on the ground when the Emperor hesitates to kneel and kiss his ring.
Literally seat shaking
There is one thing that seems to be mostly unnoticed, at least among the reviewers I watched so far: compare Paul's first enterance to Sietch Tabr with his entrance to the assembly. The crowd scenes there foorm a really interesting parallel illustrating Paul's transformation. In the first one, the crowd is loud and almost agressive, emphasized by shaky camera and rapid movement - he's an outsider in an unfamililar and dangerous environment. In the second, the camera movement is smooth and people in the crowd pull back for him, we even get an overhead shot - he's in complete control.
Also, I love how the assembly scene is theoretically a textbook "hero rallies his allies" moment, but the staging, the cinematography and Chalamet's acting make it into a "villainous New Era Speech" moment. Brilliant.
The scenes of Paul making his way through huge crowds is also interesting if you're familiar with his fate in the books. Of course, as mentioned in the video, the new films make enough changes to the sequence of events that we have no way of knowing what will happen in the film adaptation of Messiah.
Also when Paul is explaining to Jessica after he drinks the water of life that he sees a narrow path where they succeed, it shows a close up frame from Feyd and Paul's fight with the knife sticking in Feyd's shoulder. So cool.
Time stamp?
@@kingdope4730 dunno in the film but it's the bit at 5.26 in this video where paul is moving his hand about, for a split second it shows you a knife up close but it's the same shot as the fight scene
He also mimics the hand movements of the Sardukar chanter from part one. In addition, it's similar to when he was on Caladan and stuck his hand in the water of his old home, and his arrival on Arrakis and grabbed a handful of sand letting if fall free on his new home.
Where does it show up on screen? I went through it frame by frame and still didn't see it, I must be blind lmao
@@from_no_where it's not in this clip but it's in the movie and comes up on the whole screen. I saw the film four times in the cinema so definitely wasn't tripping, and the person I was with noticed it too.
I can't believe you didn't win Feyd's reaction to Paul using the voice on the Bene Gesserit. I guffawed in the theater at that face. He's so curious about Paul and when Paul whips out the voice Feyd's face is the perfect "oh, THAT is a cool trick."
I also love how Stilgar is completely stunned by Paul's victory, snaps out of it, and immediately "LISAN AL-GHAIB!"
What I love is that the final fight with Fayd and Paul, it shows how powerful Paul is. Fayd is rested. Paul just fought for an hour of battle to get there, and he still bests him. Barely, but, so insanely badass....
Yeah ikr. It might have been much longer than an hour cause the siege starts in daylight and continues into the night before the final fight happens at dawn
I didn't like it and he got stabbed so how do you think he was so powerful? You couldn't even see how he won. Why not show it? I preferred the fight when Sting got stabbed through the head in the 84 version even with the 80s choreography.
@@AnEvolvingApe
Not showing it was the whole point.
It was a bait-and-switch.
Paul was stabbed in the abdomen by Feyd, and the knife was left there, stuck into him. Feyd gets control of the _other_ knife and they have their little stare down. While Feyd is concentrating on trying to stab Paul in the face, Paul reaches down to where the first knife is still stuck in his abdomen, pulls it out and fatally stabs Feyd while his guard is down.
@@stickiedmin6508 Why not show it then? Why make it confusing for the viewer? I thought it was a poor directorial choice.
@@AnEvolvingApe confusing if you have zero brain cells lmao
Small detail that deserves a win is that Chani killing the Sardaukar is a mirror of Paul’s vision in Part 1. In Part 1 we see Fedaykin Paul wipe out a bunch of Sardaukar and then the visor goes up revealing his face. In Part 2 we see Chani do the exact same moves showing the vision was actually her!!
I think its more showing how the future has changed and how that vision was just one possibility of many.
No points for “Lead them to Paradise” ? That moment gave me chills and a hundred points should be rewarded for it.
Yea definitely lacking some wins for that + Stilgar fanatically rallying the Fremen to the transports and Alia asking her mother about what is happening.
I don't know what format you saw this in, but in IMAX the "SILENCE' yell shook every single seat and you could feel it in your toes lol. Incredible sound design!
I love that the final fight scene between Paul and Feyd isn’t shot in the stereotypical Hollywood way. Instead of quick cuts that give the feeling of fighting, it’s actually choreographed and the camera angle doesn’t change every second. It actually is more loyal to how people fight in the books (pacing in a circle, with one attack, pacing, and then some full out). It’s so much more satisfying to watch.
One of my favorite details is in the different uses of The Voice. Through out both movies, whenever "The Voice" is used, we hear the combination of hundreds of old women screaming their command, with the voice of who ever using it being in the background. BUT, when Paul uses it against the Reverend Mother telling her to Silence. There is no one else, it's just his voice with some enhancement. Showing he has more control over it than anyone else before him.
I think the reason the crowd only gasps when Paul is knocked down is less because the move was so impressive, and more so because the crowd worships Paul and is genuinely shocked to see him be bested even for a brief moment, whereas they expect Paul to be pulling off the cool spinny-spins
Honestly timothee gave me chills in this movie can’t wait to see him improve over the years
I feel so sorry for the people who couldn't experience this in IMAX. It's like I was transported in a cinema shaped spaceship to Arrakis, 2 hours later I'm back home on earth.
agreed! i kind of was rushed into watching dune, so i watched the first one at home about a week before Part Two was released and saw it in theaters. I have never been more happy i rushed to see something in theaters! the sound design and score are genuinely one of my favorites i’ve ever heard
I love that moment during the timeout in the Paul/Feyd fight when Feyd says, "She's your pet?" and we see not just the reactions of Paul and Chani, but we also cut to Irulan and let her silently function as an audience surrogate. I also love how Margot can afford to be the goddess of serenity because of the confidence she derives from control. Feyd may pose a problem for gladiators. But for Margot, what's the problem? She's got this.
Fun fact: You can actually hear Paul begin to pull the knife out of his side when he is holding Feyds dagger, although the sound design is somewhat subtle.
I have to admit, all I could hear during that moment was the f*cking PAINFUL sound of Feyd's blade slipping through Paul's hand. Props to the sound designers for making it so uncomfortable!
As far as subtle sound design is concerned, I love that when Paul confronts the Emperor right after the duel, before the soundtrack returns, you can hear the distinct sound of water/waves in the background. It's like Paul's mind is filled with overwhelming visions of the "green paradise" as he speaks.
Paul announcing he's Vladimir's grandson is a straight-up reference to the book. Without even cracking my copy of the 40th Anniversary Edition I can tell you that the vision he saw of his greeting the Baron, "Hello, grandfather" was the path of utter atrocity. So this path truly is the one that threads the needle.
Yeah, MJ lost her messiah boyfriend, but I hear there's a single wallcrawler in NYC.
If only she could find out who he is.
@@RedHeadKevinbut as of now, she’s still the wife/coach/manager of a washed up tennis athlete, and she’s also having an affair with another washed up tennis athlete 🫢
“A guy with 8 hands, sounds hot.”-Lucy Lawless, Spider-Man 2002
What does Micheal Jackson have to do with this ?
That’s not MJ
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I adore that the emperors sigil on his flag looks like the horns of a bull. The thing Paul’s grandfather was killed by when he challenged it.
I had a problem about the pacing when I first seen dune part 2 as well. I rewatched it and it clicked for me, when Paul drinks the water of life he sees every future, he knows exactly what to do at that point so why wait why not immediately take down your enemies if you know exactly how to do it
I love how in this version Gurney was able to get his revenge on Rabban, where in the book, The Beast was already put diwn before the big final battle
Herbert never really explained what happened to Rabban. He just kind of... disappeared. I wish Gurney's line would have been "For my Duke, for my friends, for MY SISTER." Gurney was a Harkonnen slave who was rescued by the Atreides, and his sister disappeared into some Harkonnen pleasure-house, which couldn't have gone well.
@@RedHeadKevin I think the Emperor had Rabban beheaded upon arriving on Dune
@@BPgamemaster12 I think that was either in the 1984 movie or the 2000s miniseries but not the book.
@@RedHeadKevin The Fremen find Rabban's body beheaded and report his death at the hand of the population of Arrakeen who he had brutalized during his reign but the death happens off page. I think the intent was that he isn't deserving of wasting page room on his death.
@@mrTannu666 ok, I should probably reread that part again
The only real regret long term Dune fans often have is some of their favourite scenes from the book don't make it to the movies, like the dinner party. One of the storylines I would've liked to see was Paul having to speak about what Jamis taught him as part of the naming ritual and becoming the step-father to Jamis' children as I think its an important part of his growth arc.
The scene where chani is fighing the sardukar is very similar to the shot form part 1 where paul saw himself in that fight. Which was definitely intentional if you look at them both
Yeah,
The visions paul has in the first movie are from a possible future where jamis is his freemen mentor instead of stillgar,
Basically those visions were from a future where paul is more violent,
For example there is another vision where paul is back on calidan with the fremen but they have slaughtered the people on calidan
Win for Gurney at the beginning, when he realizes they're completely surrounded by Fremen and likely about to die he just draws his sword and advances. Death is coming and Gurney is gonna meet him wth a sword in hand, like a true warrior.
"I know I'm gonna die, but I'm taking at least one of you fuckers with me!"
I have a theory that the scenes without music/soundtrack are events that are blind spots in Paul's prescience. They line up pretty well with events on the book that Paul couldn't see. The Sietch Tabr bombing is a bit stretch, but when Paul wakes up, there is no soundtrack, then when we are shown the bombing, we hear Feyd-Rautha's theme, meaning it's no longer from Paul's perspective perhaps(?).
This theory applies to Dune part 1 too. Though I haven't double checked it.
which adds a double meaning to the swell of music when he first opens his eyes. Epic movie moment, use music to mark it blah blah....its loud and overwhelming and should be victorious but is dark, because well....all the awareness and memories flooding in. I love this theory a lot.
I love how Zimmer incorporates parts of the Harkonnen themes into Paul's after it's revealed that he is also Harkonnen. This movie has it all man
We now heard that Jessica is Vladimirs daughter, but in the first movie we heard that Leto is Vladimirs cousin.
Appearently, house Atreides and house Harkonnen are just house Habsburg 2.0.
And don't forget the Sisterhood Of The Travelling BinBags wanted either Feyd or Raban to get jiggy with a daughter of Leto & Jessica.
So, yeah, Quizno's Burt Bacharach with a chance of extra fingers.
I read somewhere that "cousin" in this form, is more a way to describe themselves as both nobles, not that they're actually blood related.
In the prequel books there is something about the two houses being related. But that was several thousand years ago. So cousins is a very loosely used term here.
Let's not forget, too, that in Dune Messiah, the Bene Gesserit wanted Paul to mate with Alia to preserve the Harkonnen bloodline. Then there's Leto II marrying his twin sister Ghanima in Children, although that is to consolidate power and Ghanima stays with the Corrino kid.
Is not the real cousin is a mock
Because one is a Baron and the other a Duke
But yes there IS a plot about that Since Jessica IS the cousin of Feyd, not Paul
Unless we said is the uncle-cousin
Episode 167 of requesting The Princess Bride!
The best film of all time, you know you want to!
Winning every line of dialogue sounds like a chore
best film of all time is crazy
Seconded. It's long past time for Everything Great About The Princess Bride. To get the job done properly, we'll need at least four to five videos too.
Lots of work waiting to be done - might as well start now, eh?
I think that the emperor wasn't like goading Paul into attacking him with the "your father was a weak man" line. I think that the Emperor kinda knew he was beat, he loses the throne no matter what, so it was more of talking to the next Emperor about what he saw as the shortcomings of his Duke Leto. "Your father was weak because he thought you could rule with love and compassion. But you and I, we both know that's not true, right?"
when part two of a movie is so good that even its wins video needs two parts
6:28 First time I saw that wide shot of the crowd, I thought it was a mosaic. When I realised they were heads, not tiles, it was a little mind-blowing.
This movie is great. But it was incredible to see with a crowd. The messiah speech left the audience pumped up, and then the crushing hurt from hearing "I'll take the hand of your daughter". The audible gasps in my theater was a perfect experience. This was a special movie to see with a full theater and i truly hope everyone got their chance
18:37: What made Austin Butler's performance really crazy for me was that this movie came out while Masters of the Air was still rolling out episodes, and in that one he plays Buck Cleven, a warm friendly squadron commander who has a sort of stoic chill thing about him. So seeing him play both extremes added a layer of unnervingness to Feyd.
You pointed out the parallel between the Emperor and his clique watching the foreboding dark and Jessica and Paul doing the same in part 1, a neat one i hadn't noticed!
There are so many of these reversed parallels, the most obvious being the Fremen burning a pile of corpses like the Harkonnens did in the opening shot of the movie, but also Paul walking up to and killing a defenseless baron like the Baron planned to do to Leto. Villeneuve really goes all out to tell us this is a tragedy, and that Paul did embrace the way of the Harkonnen and become as ruthless and despisable as his ennemies. Loved that.
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I'd also give a win for when the muad'dib approaches Paul's sand snorkel before the first harvester attack and you can hear Paul says very faintly 'scram, get outta here, and another for the look on Jessica's face after Paul shouts silence at the reverend mother. Her eyebrow moves a fraction of a millimetre but manages to say 'that's my boy'.
Another moment I was hoping you might touch upon was when Paul puts on his father's ring towards the climax of his speech in Chakobsa. Seeing Gurney light up knowing that Paul's march to war is partly in honor of Leto/his fallen people (even though it is not what Leto would have wanted for his son) is somehow deeply satisfying knowing how loyal Gurney has been this whole time and how much he lost to the Harkonnens.
A small detail I liked is how they humanize the Harkonnens and Sardaukar by showing their faces more. The soldiers faces were almost always covered in the last one but in this one the camera lingers on their expressions and the battle of Arakeen is mirrored to the invasion in the last one, but this time House Atreides are the invaders. A great example of storytelling without using words.
Lee, i watch your channel for years and still don't understand how you yet didn't do the most underrated movie of all time: Speed Racer. I really think this is the tipe of movie that combines with your vibe.
I love that the one complaint he has in the video is that the first and final acts were speed-ran when that was also my issue with the book. Not so much an issue per se, but its interesting how the book builds up to this incredible war and absolutely none of it is described. Time jumps to the next morning and its all "well THAT was some battle, huh?"
I feel like his role as King Henry prepared him for Dune.
My thoughts exactly
Thank you for bringing up the pacing!! When I went to see the Part 2 in the theater my first thought was how amazing it was went it finished. However, my second thought was on how disappointed I was with how quickly every scene seem to go by, especially compared to the first one, glad I wasn't the only one who felt that way. The first movie introduced and explored each setting to a point. The second movie seem to show a location and then get right into the action. My only gripe, but I'm no critic or movie expert, however, I am glad that the pacing was brought up, lol.
One of my favourite things about these films is how Denis and Timothee present Paul as honourable, but the Definitive Necessary Evil.
Like it's not necessarily explained in the film, that Paul needs to lead this rebellion and the brutality that follows. Or even justify why. But it just has to happen, this Holy War is the way to end a greater suffering. And the conviction behind it.... uh just perfect.
Like knowing how the rules of Dune work. If a War of Assassins occurred between House Leto and House Atreides, the outcome could be far bloodier. Even more destructive than Paul's War.
I honestly felt the pacing of Dune Part 2 was actually a character in and of itself. To me the early parts of the story were very much character driven, small moments, up until Paul goes South. There are some big moments, but we stay very close to the characters involved and have many small conversations outside of a few establishing shots and the like.
Then, once Paul takes the water of life and becomes the KH everything speeds up and goes much more grandiose in scale. We'd just seen several hours of small scale battles taking small victories. Then, after Paul takes the heel turn we have a much shorter time to take massive victories that feel over before they began in the favor of the Fremen.
"Resist the urge to get all Kwizzy" lmao
5:14 I’m the same. It’s become a bit of a meme with my cousins that we just randomly go “ahhhhhhh”
Gurney being the one who knows where the family nukes are... such an improvement over the book.
Also, cutting the sub-plot about him thinking Jessica was a traitor is excellent.
Agreed-I read the book recently and that sub-plot just clutters things as the narrator knows she's not the traitor from the start.
I read the book prior to seeing the film, and I give all the praise in the world for making Paul just as intimidating in both versions 😊
"It sounds like they added a little something to his voice for this speech..." Is it possible that it was actually Paul that's adding something (The Voice?, though it doesn't have quite the same flavor) to _his_ speech rather than simply the film's sound techs/editors adding something to Timothee's speech for the audience's enjoyment?
I'm sure he would have been subtly using The Voice in this scene. He needs to inject some real authority to his words here, and anyone would put some more bass in their voice to do this speech. I can't wait to hear The Preacher talk like this someday.
Someone above mentioned that Paul now has male wisdom, maybe that was a male adaptation of the Voice?
Yes in the book anyway, at that point you're in Jessica's thoughts and she can detect he's using "the voice" I think him using it subtly makes it easier to work on everyone instead of a hard sharp command over a single person.
Yeah, I think it’s that he is now speaking with the knowledge and weight of his ancestors
@@jamiemacdonald5203 I've only read the first book and that only once, so I'm glad there was basis to my thought there, thanks for the reinforcement!
Part 2 part 2 came out
_As written_
8:50 intentional? 19:20, sorry, Denis said "no extended cuts"
How to make Gurney smile:
0:56 reunite him with the person he loves
1:18 conversation about ultimate weapon of destruction
Also it’s really cool how Chani fighting in the last fight scene is almost the same exact set up as pauls vision from the tent down to the spinny move she does
9:15 You are absolutely right. My mom and I went to go see this movie together on opening day and it was so cool to witness that moment, the whole theater was silent and then the cheering erupted, it was really cool to be apart of. I am a big fan of the cinematics.
It's so interesting to hear you talk of Paul's speech as a positive thing😅 because I was sitting in the cinema whispering 'please don't' to myself in dread the whole time😊
Probably my favorite line in the movie is when Paul yells, “SILENCE!”
The complete lack of the spacing guild was so disappointing. They're the reason the finale in the book has so much weight to it. Paul threatens to break the order of the universe, in the movie he kinda just invites the emperor with an email.
Absolutely phenomenal film, I love the changes Denis made to better adapt it to the film medium and the importance he placed on how bittersweet the ending was
Counterpoint: I don't think Denis has been trying to portray ANYONE as the good guys.
HE is telling the story, let the cips fall where they may.
10:41: I also like that you can see one of the other thopters swing around to return fire. The Saurdakar aren't lightweights, and are very dangerous, but on Arrakis they are always presented as being one step behind the power curve, not realizing the worms are a threat to the thopters until one gets splashed is just one more way of showing that.
Watching Balls of Fury and then Dune pt2 afterwards is funny as hell when you realize Christopher Walken is playing essentially the same character
Thanks! I still have those suggestions for the coming months or whenever you can:
1. Request #38 for Jurassic Park 2 (1997) and 3 (2001).
2. Request #27 for Shrek (2001)
3. Request #28 for Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981).
I understand how you might be busy with The Flash, Blue Beetle, Aquaman 2, Wonka, and possibly Oppenheimer. But still, take your time. Love you, CinemaWins! Always!
Also, I still can't wait for the teaser shot at the end of EGA Kung Fu Panda 4!!!
I agree that combined, Dune 1 and 2 are nothing short of cinematic masterpiece. Sounds, sights, engagement! And like you, I feel torn between "Hey! This is great and can stand on its own foe eternity." And "Why do I not have more now?! Right now!"
Jamis might actually be the Djinn that Stilgar was talking about. Don't know If that kind of supernatural goes in the Dune universe but it would make sense with his brief encounter of Jamis and Paul at the first night in the desert.
At this current moment this masterpiece is my 5th all time favorite film to date. I sat in the theater for 10 mins digesting what I just witnessed.
Dune 1 and 2 give me Matrix 1 and 2 vibes in terms of pushing the Sci fi genre forward.
8:53 I love the subtle hint of the voice being used to leverage his speech harder, to twist it deep into the psyches of those present for its final lynchpin.
Needed a win for the fremen with the Scottish accent; he's a long way from home
Love the callback in the way Feyd dies at the end. In the first movie, Paul spars with Gurney and beats him only for Gurney to reveal that he would've killed Paul before he died. In the second movie, Feyd is so sure that he has locked in the killing blow that he misses Paul going for the other knife and killing him first.
I love the design of the city and throne built under the imperial ship. Up close you can see it's a bunch of very flat panels that could plausibly fold up and fit inside, and most of the actual volume is just hollow empty space to make the exterior look imposing, very possibly it's just the central throne room and nothing else. This feels symbolic for House Corrino's rule and probably is intended that way.
I’m not sure if the final act pacing is intentional or not, but it does actually serve a purpose. Non-book readers who have spent the whole runtime with Paul and back him as their main character watch the events unfold and are excited for him. You’re ready to run through a brick wall for him after the cave speech. Denis creates a fervent following in the audience as much as with the Fremen. He doesn’t give you time to stop and think, “Wait, is this how we should be going about this? What could the consequences be?” Chani is there to ask the questions, but the casual viewer is almost expected to be like “Why doesn’t she just get with the program? Let’s get these Harkonens!” It’s only at the end do we stop and reflect, remembering that “Oh yeah, this is how the jihad starts across the Imperium.”
9:49, it's an interesting detail when you see the SPICE burning across the shield of the emperor's ship. The very thing they're on that planet for will be their undoing.
I love the attention to detail in the weapons of the Fremen, Harkonnens and Sardaukar. The Harkonnens have limited use of lasguns because they know the Fremen don’t carry shield but weren’t trained extensively in lasguns use for battle. While the Fremen use maula pistols to great effect because they are trained in its use and know the consequences of turning on a shield. And when the Sardaukar arrive they only use melee weapons because their main enemy would be the Harkonnens and they believe that they are the finest warriors in the imperium
Best cinematic experience I’ve ever had 👌🏼
We need to talk about the score especially in the final battle, FANTASTIC
I know you can’t go on and on gushing about Hans Zimmer, but that man deserves all the wins in the world. The final song is somehow the most triumphant and heart breaking song ever! Watching this video in a fast food restaurant I teared up just hearing the cello play Paul and Chani’s theme.
Also, trying to avoid spoilers. But the shot where Paul goes to the south and walks through the crowd and we see it from above. It is so far away that each person looks like a grain of sand, and Paul walks through them looking like a sand worm going through sand. Big nod to the golden path that he sees ahead.
I rolled my eyes because I knew the Dr Strange future joke was coming but the Thanos/Gurney edit caught me off guard. Well done
I loved the fighting coreography that Chani did when they attacked the Sardaukars was the same from the first movie when Paul had the vision of himself becoming the leader of "the holy war spreading across the universe like unquenchable fire".
The biggest change I didn't like was having Chani feel betrayed and hurt by Paul choosing to marry Irulan when in the book, Chani completely understood the political need for it before the battle and she encouraged it.
The nature of there relationship is very different. In the books they've been together for years [and have and lose a child together] while here there shorter relationship is already breaking down [as shown by the scene between Chani+ Jessicia] and she's against how Paul+Jessica are manipulating the fremen. Given they wanted to make the 'false messiah' critique stronger, losing the one Fremen he wants approval from is Paul's punishment at the end.
Even thought the 2000 mini-series ends with the last line of the book, that series has Irulan interacting with Paul before the ending so there 'marriage' feel more understandable.
Okay, but how did the "Take them to paradise" line not get a win? Great video though.
Paul's way of killing Feyd is also the same as how Feyd kills the atreides soldier. He pulls in the enemies weapon and subtly strikes the killing blow. Only then punctuated by the same line.
The way Paul kills Feyd is a mirror image of the way Feyd kill the undrugged atreides. Grab the blade pointed at your face, then suddenly pull towards yourself while moving it to the side, and finally stab the enemy in the body.
9:34 When the emperor's city/base/whatever gets attacked we see the walls falling apart piece by piece like dominos. And that makes me think the entire thing was designed to be carried on the ship and then just unfolded like a metal tent.
15:02 no win where Paul simple just makes a foot noise and Irulan already knows what that meaning
THEY DONT TALK AND YOU GET ALL absolute cinema after watching all this movies and games talking every 2 secs
6:22 The melody of "Arrival" is the same as "Harkonnen Arena" when Feyd is introduced, now being just after Paul learns he is a Harkonnen.
I also think it is originally Feyd/Harkonnen theme.
These two movies have been absolutely amazing! I had no idea about Dune before them but I absolutely fell in love.
My only gripe with Vilneuve's and other interpretations of Dune is the portrayal of the emperor and the overall hierarchy of his empire. This may be just me misreading the book, but I read him as this mysterious, almost god-like untouchable figure. Getting him to even be present on Arakis is already a major power play, that's how above everything he is, but in every version he's just kinda this arrogant old man.
I see that as akin to how rulers in ancient times were portrayed. Pharaohs, Roman Emperors, Russian Tsars, all were seen by their people as mythical emissaries from the gods, whereas those in their intimate circle knew they were really just people who were getting a huge ego boost, but still were completely dependent on many other factors to remain in power. The Padishah Emperor is no different, a guy who sees himself as above all else in the Known Universe, but in reality is completely reliant on the cooperation from the Bene Gesserit, the Spacing Guild and the noble houses.
The Cast is bad
Literally the Emperor is a 40 years old with the mind of a 80 years old man
I would put the actor of Tywin Lannister (Charles Dance) just to show he has power and speech but he made shitty moves
@@Morfe02great idea! what do you think of Timothy?
The way I saw it, the Emperor rules the Imperium at large, but the Landsraad exists to keep him from having absolute power, sort of a checks-and-balances system.
Granted that I haven’t read the book in 20 years but I just don’t understand the Emperor’s tactics as being rational. In Part 1 he feels House Atreides is a threat (or, perhaps, his Bene Gesserit consort does) - there are certainly ways to neutralize the threat that don’t threaten the production of spice? If someone is suing you, would you give them direct access to your bank accounts and work with bank security to catch them trying to take your money? And in Part 2, why would he take Paul’s invitation to Dune where Paul is clearly running the show and had an enormous home field advantage? Let Paul come to him.
I love when Paul stabs the baron in the neck and calls him an animal - his own Gom Jabbar