Wait as a non reader of the series are you saying that someone is planting false memories to Paul but he's seems all pretty powerful to have that happen?
They don't show it in the movie, but Fremen Stietches have factories in them where they manufacture Stillsuits, Thumpers, and all the other equipment they utilize. They're not a primitive people, they have advanced technology just like the rest of the universe.
I think the closest we got is a mention in Part 1 that they made their own stillsuits, so we can infer some significant production capability for precise plastics and fabrics on small scales to create it.
It’s good to be underestimated. Keeps off-worlders from trying to take advantage of them. Why bother when all the infrastructure is built far away from the sietches.
I love how the henchmen of the opening immediately shoot the thumper. It immediately establishes them as competent and illustrates a harsh truth. The most dangerous enemy is one who learns from their mistakes.
@@Chr1st0ph not when you have 5+ killing frenzy worms at your doorstep preventing you from going anywhere and actually do have a tendency in a rage or hunger to come out of the sand much higher than you would think.
@@Aldragon considering the closest we've seen to an angry worm is the final battle where they emerge (controlled) a full on pissed off group of worms sounds mad scary lol
Very happy they used Princess Irulan to narrate the opening via her diary entries. In the books she is an important historian who documented the history of Muad’dib. Snippets from her writings were used as openings for chapters.
Especially because her segments at the start of each chapter make it clear that Paul has already won. There's no question of whether the plot will resolve with his success. It really nails home the idea that the future is already written.
@@giggityguy I loved that, I read Dune a few years back and I actually had to ask online about her diary entries since I wasn't sure if I bought some weird version of the book that spoils the ending with them. It's wild that even though you know most of how it's going to play out early on it still manages to be riveting. At the time it was the longest book I'd ever read and it only took me a couple months, this was early in my re-introduction to reading after school made me hate books for like 10+ years.
It's also a thematic link to the first. That film opened with Chani narrating and Paul first meets her at the end and the same thing happens with Irulan in part two.
Feyd licks the knife because he knows it's not poisoned. Traditionally, the small white knife was poisoned, and the big black knife was clean. It was switched up for his special birthday. (The movie left out that Thufir was the one who set up this fight with the undrugged gladiator and the switched knives.)
Amazing film compression. They cut a lot of intriques and plot lines in the Harkonen family but they managed to convey all of that "You can not trust your relatives" feeling anyway.
Watching the scene where Paul harnesses the sand worm in IMAX is probably the most intense, jaw dropping theater experience I’ve ever been a part of. That scene was otherworldly and there were like 10 more in this movie I felt the same way about. Absolute masterpiece from Denis, as per usual!
the entire movie in IMAX is just something else. just the visuals on the big screen combined with speakers that can blow your ears off while still having good quality. you could feel the soundtrack.
This was my first IMAX experience and I wholeheartedly agree, definitely the most profound movie moment I've ever had. I felt my body trembling from excitement and the music was such a powerful catalyst for this scene. I think these movies will hold top spots for quite some time now. Like one of the other commentators said, it's like The Lord of the Rings for the new generation of movie goers.
Truly, I feel such a swell of pity and judgement of every 'reaction' channel that didn't see Dune Part 2 in theaters, I get it but at the same time they were...r...obbed of an experience like no other. The voice especially isn't done any justice on a basic setup or headphones.
I saw a video showing this speech compared to the David Lynch version, and it made me think about how Paul was written in the book compared to what original readers saw on the page.
He shouldn't have made it clearer. The entire magic of Dune is that the first novel is a hero's journey, with a dark undertone, while the second novel really undermines the hero by showing how bad his rule is, and then third novel expands on said ideas.
@@transformersrevenge9 The original Dune's message is in no way a "hero's journey". It may be less tragic than the following books, but it still takes it's sweet time showing how Paul's position is a TERRIBLE one, and he utterly hates it, but feels he has no choice.
@@transformersrevenge9uhhh messiah was a book written bevause people missed the point of Paul in dune 1. Frank wouldn't have written it if people got it. So yes Denis made it clearer because Framk had to write a whole book because he didn't make it clear enough
16:29 Those aren't really bodyguards. Those are Picadors, a type of bullfighter whose purpose was to poke at the bull with spears in order to anger them and get them to charge. Paul's Grandfather hunted bulls for sport. Even with Leto dead, the Harkonnen's will stop at nothing to humiliate the Atreides. Those "phyrexian" looking crescent helmets even look like bull horns.
The subtitles refer to them as Picadors once and even not knowing the word I figured it was something similar. Also Phyrexian is the perfect way to describe them because they give me the ick real bad lmao
As well as calling them "specimens" and drugging the two Atreides soldiers with drugs that make them act more like cavemen being released into an exhibition for slaughter. It's a truly harrowing sight.
How refreshing is it to see a mainstream blockbuster use such great visual storytelling? In a lesser film, the characters would voice how accustomed Paul is to the sands of Arakis or how different he's acting after drinking the water of life. Instead, Dune Part 2 uses a more subtle shift to gray tones, pale skin, and darker blue eyes to show his difference. The audience gets the same information without the storytelling holding the viewer's hand.
Gotta also give credit to Zimmer's score. "Arrival" is my personal favorite track from it, and it does so much to really drive home to the audience that Paul is a different person now that he's "awakened," knows his own history and heritage, and has resigned himself to becoming something he's fought so long and hard to avoid in order to accomplish his goals.
I remember reading somewhere that Villeneuve doesn't care about dialogue, and is only really interested in visual storytelling. And it shows. And you're right, it is refreshing, both visually and sonically. I wouldn't necessarily want every movie to be like that, but... Hot damn if he didn't make every inch of the big cinema screen worth watching, or that surround sound feel like total immersion. They want to get butts back on cinema seats? That's the way to do it.
Well it's objectively good and better for the galaxy as a whole; there's just some massive losses to get there. The ends justify the means. Even if the means also result in billions dead from a galactic jihad
@@Heroo01 it "WAS" bad, at least up until "Dune: Messiah", it destroyed dozens of worlds and wiped out entire civilizations. It was only in "Children of Dune" that they added the concept of the "Golden Path" and the "Kralizec" as if to justify Paul's rise to power. "See, if Paul didn't rise to power and usher in an universal genocide, we would have prescient Skynet terminators in the future! It was a good thing all along you guys!"
@@highwaytoheaven99 Current state of affairs, where even High Houses can get wiped out in a day for apparently no real reason, is hardly a good thing that is terrible to overthrow.
I went into the movies knowing pretty much _nothing,_ and Paul's turn horrified me. The clip from the trailer where he ordered Charlotte Rampling to be silent made me expect the opposite of what actually happened. Real, "It was said that you would _destroy_ the Sith, not *_join_* then!" vibes.
@@Heroo01you and a lot of people are really putting the cart before the horse. The golden path is Leto II child not Paul's. The scattering and thousands of years of constraint was overseen by Leto. Remember Paul abandons the golden path and ultimately denounces it. Leto is the one who carries it on. After seeing the consequences of becoming the worst murderer in history, Paul changes his mind. So no it wasn't ends justify the means. If Paul had it his way the path he foresaw would have ended after his presumed death. That's why in Children he is like 'get off the Paul hype train everyone' Also he literally says he is worse than Hitler... hard to side with anyone who says that. The dude had people sewn into drums, Paul wasn't a good guy
When Jessica took the Water of Life, her fetus became completely aware. You can see her possess Jessica from time to time. Alia will be born with all the knowledge and power of a full Reverend Mother.
I really enjoyed that change from the book, I was terrified we were going to get a horrifying CGI baby like in Twilight, genuinely a fantastic choice. It would be nearly impossible to make Alia work in a movie since you're not going to get a child actor who can accurately portray just how creepy she is.
Nice take that Alia sometimes possesses Jessica. Very plausible, especially if you already know the story around Alia from the books. I did not get that vibe and blamed the "crazyness" on Jessica realizing she is Harkonnen, a new reverend mother and still not over the death of her soul mate the duke. The prophecy is not only the "safest" way to survive but the one path that leads Jessica towards revenge! However, "CinemaWins" has read the books and is not baffeled by the outcome of Jessica's drinking the water of life. I think he is questioning the visual representation. It is -- as far as I can remember -- not detailed in the books, how the poison transmutation of Bene Gesserit actually works. For sure the Fremen reverend mothers (might be descendant of the order, or a planted "sect") knew that mixing pregnancy and the water of life is not a good idea. It might actually be linked to the female uterus, which is why males cannot survive its poison. Physiologically, there is no good other explanation of why there would be a tide of spice-infused liquid sloshing around the embryonic Alia in utero. But my take clashes a little with the movie's involvement of Chani with waking Paul from his water-of-life-coma. In the book, Paul only takes a single drop and Chani uses another drop to "diagnose" why Paul is comatose. She means to "heal" him by having Jessica give Paul a transmuted drop, but Paul has already woken and does not need help. My interpretation is that the amount was too little to kill Paul but enough to unlock the Kwisatz Haderach and cause Paul to get lost in perceiving time. Being touched by Chani's water-of-life-dipped finger ankers him in their shared reality...
OH FUCK thats why the other reverend mother was calling jessica a "abomination", its been years since ive read the books but didnt the reverend mother call alia the abomination?
And unlike Paul and Jessica who have developed their sense of self before awakening, she awoke as a Reverend Mother with 0 history of individual self, so she's essentially an unlimited reincarnation of the entirety of the Benegeserit.
i think another part that helps improve the fear mua'dib installs in rauban, is the part where the fremens tactics are "exit the dust, stab the leg, kill the man, enter dust". meanwhile you have mua'dib who desnt use this strategy, he simply aproaches you, with the confidence that he does not need the hit and run strategy of the rest. along the chanting and the legend, this realy solidifies that he is a figure to be feared
@@Grom76300 nope, it was lasers, you can see the little streaks of light on the next shot. Its the sole reason why everyone is fighting with knives instead of just ABUSING lasers like in Star Wars. Because if your laser hits a shield even by accident EVERYONE DIES. Thats why the Fremen wait for Chani to take down the shielded helicopter later in the movie, before they pull their laser guns and destroy the spice collector.
The score used to introduce Feyd-Rautha is UNBELIEVABLE. Also, the Atreides he fights is played by Roger Yuan, the fight coordinator who trained Austin Butler for the movie. So good.
16:19 Feyd winks at the slave after he attack, plus the slave is a character of the first movie not just a random AND PLUS HE HAS THE ATREIDES SYMBOL IN THE ARM LIKE THE BOOK brooooo put this in the part 3
Roger Yuan, who plays the guard who stops Stilgar. He's also the fight/stunt coordinator for the films. Dude's 63 too. I don't even think I'd have put him at 50.
The weird colors on Giedi Prime are because they shot the scenes in Infrared; that's why Bene Geserit's robes go white, they're cold and not giving off much light
@@TheAdattoif the robes are black, that means they absorb a lot of light/infra-res and emit little light/infra-red. White objects would absorb little infrared and emit the most infrared afaik so i think it they have it right its not reversed
The Giedi Prime sequence was pure magic. The ensemble of announcers' voices morphed into one, the Sun that emits infrared, the insane crowd, the oil splotch fireworks, the creepy gladiators, and finally the harsh and loud music. It is exactly what kind of environment would create such a horrific culture like the Harkonnens.
That doesn't make sense (especially because the lines at the beginning of Part One are sung later in the Sardaukar ceremony) but I like unhinged theorycrafting so I 'preciate you, king
Honestly think one of my favourite small character details is Chani's anklets. Just a few seconds close up seeing the graceful way she sandwalks and that little adornment to her stillsuit. The big spectacles are amazing but the tiny details in everything are what really makes these movies so rich and intimate and rewatchable
Infrared is different from thermal...both use infrared but differently. Black on a normal IR camera just shows up as white...the whole thing is just stylized I think, maybe using IR data with some other color correction/filters to achieve the look
@@funtourhawk yes, they did. They had to get specific colors, specific textures of materials to get a specific look on infrared. So without infrared they might look like a clown, but with IR they get the exact style they were going for.
7:10 her point was “you learned the sandwalk from a space-Wikipedia page and haven’t internalized the ‘without rhythm’ part.” She used a confusing but funny simile to get this across. I noticed in Part One that while Paul and Jessica were following the steps he learned, they repeated the sequence instead of varying the timing, like what Chani teaches him here.
Batista does a great job of balancing violent giant and sniveling coward. He's got no problem killing drugged slaves like his brother. And will kill a subordinate who would never fight back. But at the first sniff of a challenge, you can see the terror on Raban's face.
I dont think it is fair to say "the first sniff of a challenge". However, what he is dealing with is basically fighting "demons"(Duncan Idaho). Suddenly appearing, killing a bunch of your own, then disappear. They drain you of your water("cannibalism") and they are fanatical to the degree of suicidal when attacking. He has been dealing with this for months, and he is under pressure to get results, but is not skilled enough to do so. What is more, he knows, or at least suspects, that he is being set up to fail, to make Feyd-Rautha look good. That is an insane amount of stress, and he buckles. In the end, he really is just a mad dog.
Part of the reason the harkonnen said “No Shields” while they’re being shot at is because they are also being targeted by laser rifles. It’s not mentioned in the films but in dune lore, a laser hitting a shield will create a chain reaction. (Atomic explosion) So if any of them had shields on and got hit by a laser, they’d all be dead.
Easily one of the greatest cinematic experiences I have ever had. Normally with most films, I'm quietly cracking jokes, but with this, I was almost entirely in silent awe. What an incredible film.
17:50 some guy say that Feyd knowing her from a dream is because HE IS ALSO ALMOST A Kwisatz Haderach meaning he see the future even if he is NOT TRAINED by the Bene Gesserit meaning he is the equal to Paul in other ways not just opposite houses, but bloodlines of male bene gesseirit
Pardon my English, I'm not a native speaker. Bene Gesserit training never allowed to see the future, they can only see memories of their ancestors, and only female ones. Though you are right -- Feyd also carries the right genes, that's why he has visions of future, just like Paul. If I remember the books correctly, the Bene Gesserit plan's pinnacle is the son of Feyd Rautha and Lady Jessica's daughter -- that person was to become the Kwisatz Haderach, the first male who can survive the water of life ritual, and eventually can see both past (for both male and female ancestors, unlike Bene Gesserit) and the future, so he could lead humanity to "a better future". That's why it's very important part that Jessica decided to carry a son instead -- she messed up the breeding chain that lasted dozens of generations, while Paul became a unexpected anomaly, and Bene Gesserit are scared of him shitless. So now witches are in damage containment state. They are unaware that Jessica is pregnant again (not that they can influence hey in any way still), so they are trying to preserve the "right" genes in order to have their perfect messiah some other generations in the future.
@cfdfirefighter I mean Lord of the Rings is timeless, but for what it's worth, Dune is another amazing adaptation of a beloved series. Will it match up with LOTR? Probably not, but man, Dune has been enjoyable so far.
I wish, but not even close to me. I enjoyed Part 1 well enough but Part 2 was surprisingly far less engaging for me. I was really looking forward to it but found myself checking my watch and playing with my phone way more that I do for big epic movies like this. It was sadly very unsatisfying for me. The actors were all fine (I don’t even mind Walken here, though a lot of people seem to), but by the end of the movie I was just glad it was over and long stopped caring about most of the characters. And Dune 1984, for all of its issues, had a much better emperor and production values overall, notwithstanding some of the dated visual effects. Dune 1984 remains my favorite telling of this story. Having seen the narration in part two, I wish there was narration part one. Having narration in only the second part (so far) of a (presumably) three part film series is very distracting.
@@unknown_individual7050 dune has been amazing and the adaptation the books deserved. However LotR cannot be matched for its depth, peril mixed with joy and levity. Dune is many things but isn’t light and joyous. The darker tone is gonna lower the repeatability of watching, where LotR is enjoyable in many situations.
Part 2 was everything I hoped for and more, it took creative liberties that really enhanced the overall story and created new scenes that better compliment the visual medium. Denis is a master of the craft, masterpiece film
12:32 the knife-swinging toddler Alia Atreides killed Vladimir Harkonnen in Dune the book. I read the filmmakers kept her in utero because having her kill him would’ve felt even weirder than that (and it made sense to give Paul his revenge).
The Harkonnen home world/fight sound track goes so hard and communicates the mood so clearly , perfectly complemented by the whisper of “Show them who you are” as the scene approaches it climax!
I'm sad you didn't comment on it, but when Paul is summoning the worm to ride, and he's walking back and forth atop the sand dune, his footsteps are in time with the thumper. It's so minor that the movie itself doesn't bother commenting on it, but it adds to the veracity of the worldbuilding, and I love it every time I see it.
02:18 Another explanation could be because they are being hit by lasguns, and if the shields got turned on, all of them would die of the nuclear explosion that happens when the two contact each other.
I dont think the Fremen in this scene were using lasers(we hear projectiles before the hit), although the Harkonnen were firing back. They usually rely on various projectile weaponry(like maula pistols). And they would not risk nuclear explosions. That is why they take down the shielded ornithopter first, then use lasers on the unshielded crawler. If they simply wanted destruction, they could have used a laser on the ornithopter. Also, the Harkonnens have enough discipline to not need being reminded to not turn on a shield if they take laser fire. However, desert warfare might be new to some of them, so getting shot by projectiles might make some of them want to turn it on. Instead, this scene shows us 2 things about the Harkonnen. 1) They acknowledge the threat of the Thumper. 2) At least some of them understand that turning on the shields, even when under fire, is a guaranteed death sentence while in the desert. Which sets them up as fairly competent. Which makes the Fremen appear even stronger when they defeat them.
@@roberine7241 They can be several hundred meters long(some even reaching the length of over 1000 meters). That rock is roughly between 50-100 meters tall. A group of worms in a frenzy can easily destroy such rock formations.
@@fendelphi I don't actually think the ground attack on the harvester was because they were worried to accidentally hit the shielded ornithopter, because in a later scene they destroy a harvester with lasguns while two ornithopters are flying around. I think it was mostly because they didn't have any kind of cover there and if they had started with the lasguns, the ornithopter would have then shot them all dead and they would've probably lost the lasguns in the process. In the other scene, they shoot from the cover of a rock formation.
The harkonnen sun turning black fabrics white is because the sequence was filmed in infrared, not normal black and white. It's an optical effect (as far as I know) and not a post thing 15:37
Also I think the GreatHouseSplaining was a little clumsy but it was there to tell us that he knew exactly wtf the desert mouse was called. He remembers his studies. He asked the question on purpose, probably both to NOT eff up the way he did with Chani and get the meaningful name.
A detail I didn't notice until like the 3rd rewatch is that one way we know the Bene Gesserit Voice not only used (in a more subtler way than we see so far) but also is working on Feyd is the background getting distorted. Austin Butler's acting is so good we're distracted from the minor touch that his perception is beginning to get messy. They didn't have to do that minor touch, yet they did, and that for me indicates a love for this film and the source material which I appreciate lots.
I normally hate the whole "You have to see it in theaters to get the full effect." claim people make about movies, but this is the first one where I fully agree. The vastness of the desert, the power of the sand worms, the Voice of the Bene Gesserit seeming to come from inside you. Absolutely fantastic movie.
at 17:38 it wasn't that they put dreams into Feud's mind, it's that he's having the same future sight that Paul has, because Paul was suppostoo be a girl that married Feud, to create the Kizarch
13:42: "Cavalry," please. Not "Calvary".... I made this up to remember the difference: "There was no cavalry at Calvary. The infantry did that stuff to Jesus."
The thing I wasn't too fond of with this part of the story is the arena fight... Originally, Feid WAS the one who left an undrugged Atreide fight him, to send a message to harkonnen nobles to never underestimate him just as he was assassinating the baron and taking his place ! Only for said baron to go "your attempt failed, but I don't mind, the Real fuckup was your TIMING ! it's too EARLY for that ! When it's time for you to get rid of me, I'll step down and GIVE the throne to you..." Here, it's the baron fixing the fight to better Feid's public relations to build him up for eventually taking power... It's servicable, but the whole "too early to kill me" was SO powerful, showing us just how on top of the political game Vladimir is, and how ruthless you gotta be to sit on the Harkonnen throne ! Instead, to me this just showed some basic-bitch court intrigue, and Feid going "yOu TrIeD To kIlL Me" undermines him, as he's SO far behind stuff, where on the other version it's the baron being so far ahead of EVERYONE, not just Feid...
Showing the opening for half of the video would've been fine tbh. Lighting, score, Cinematography, truely one of the greatest set pieces in recent cinema history.
I've noticed if you watch Paul's introduction to the Seitch there are subtle signs that it was heavily engineered even before he blackmails Jessica with "become a Reverend Mother or death." I don't think it's a coincidence that his big loud shout was IMMEDIATELY followed by a true believer leading a bowing prayer circle to him.
2:18 Another reason to not activate shields would be that when a laser hits a shield, it creates a miniature nuclear explosion, which would wipe out the soldiers regardless. I’m not entirely sure that they are being hit by lasers though when Paul looks up to where the soldiers are, lasers are being shot, along with other yellowish projectiles. Of course, the writers may have not even accounted for that and only had the worms in mind. The soldiers may also have not been taking laser fire. That’s my two cents. I love you videos and I can’t wait for part 2 of part 2.
14:40 This bit in the books is darkly HILARIOUS cause we get Paul's inner monologue and thought process. He's trying to be humble and not seem full of himself, but he's ALSO trying to pick a name that is unimportant and nonthreatening, doing everything he can to dampen the prophecy and futures of war and dominion he's seen by picking a name that will keep him from acclaim and power beyond what he has already. So he asks what the name of the little desert mouse is, thinking he's nailed it. Then he hears "Oh, the Maud'Dib is wise and clever and tenacious, a true survivor of the desert. Fuck, we named our smaller moon after it! An auspicious choice of name, Usul!" And Paul in his head is just "God, DAMN IT!!! WHY?!?!?"
That last point the power play kiss, that was improvised and not in the script but they loved it so much they kept it cuz it just felt so real in character for his character
It's Margot, Lady Fenrig. It bothers me that they didn't get it right because it bothers Lady Jessica. Also, I hate that a) they contracted the timeline so much. Approximately five years for Mu'ad Dib to become a legend/nightmare is fast but more doable than approximately five months. And b) that Feyd undergoes the gom jabbar which definitely isn't in the books.
Thanks! I still have those suggestions for the coming months or whenever you can: 1. Request #37 for Jurassic Park 2 (1997) and 3 (2001). 2. Request #26 for Shrek (2001) 3. Request #27 for Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981). I understand how you might be busy with The Flash, Blue Beetle, Aquaman 2, Wonka, and possibly Oppenheimer. But still, take your time. Love you, CinemaWins! Always! Also, I still can't wait for the teaser shot at the end of EGA Dune: Part 2!!!
2:18: Actually, there is a more elaborate reason behind not using shields: Holtzmann shields (that's what they are called) and lasers, when reacting to each other, produce so much counteracting energy that it will turn a mere shot into an explosion that's akin to a small nuclear explosion. So, it's not only a death sentence by worms. It's a death sentence by physics in Dune. EDIT 1: 8:21 Also, not a minigun. More like a plasma flechette gun.
Harkonnen have enough military discipline to not need a reminder about laser+shield interactions. And we hear the projectile whistle shortly before impact. We even see some of them in the firefight at 2:31 while the Harkonnen are firing back with their lasers. Lasers are very obvious(clear to see) when used. For ambushes, it would give away your position almost immediately. Instead, it shows that the Harkonnen understand the threat of both Thumpers and the worms(though some of them might be new to desert warfare).
@@colormedubious4747 Maybe, but it is not really the kind of movie who wants to remind the audience about such details, unless it is somehow important to the story. We do not see the beams from the Fremen(they are quite visible when used, so we should be able to see them), nor do we see the Fremen use laser weaponry in the other ambushes, except against the Crawler.
@@fendelphi Sure, and the explanation that worms attack shields would normally be adequate to serve the needs of the story... except that the Harkonnen who yelled "no shields" was on top of an enormous rock where no worm could possibly reach his troops.
2:19 Another reason they don't turn on shields is because that would cause a nuclear explosion. Duncan Idaho actually takes advantage of this in the first Dune but we don't get to see it in the movie :(
15:30 The robes' colour change was because this scene was shot with a rig that caught the image in both colour and infrared from the same angle. That's what gives it all that specific clean and bleached look, and also why the black robes are so reflective, because the black captures and radiates heat so well.
2:16 Lasers+Shield = they all go boom, so no shields a good call from the Harkonnen grunt I must say. Also, I think shields only attracts worms when they're in direct contact of sand, I might be wrong though.
They are standing on sand. Also the Harkonnen have enough military discipline that they do not need to be reminded about lasers+shields. Desert warfare might be new to some of them. And we were hearing projectile whistling before the impact. We also see some projectiles flying in the firefight at 2:31 with the return laser fire from the Harkonnen.
15:27 many black fabrics will show up as white under IR (The Geidi Prime outdoor scenes were filmed in Near-IR to get the high contrast look). It's because of this that higher quality military clothing and gear uses materials that are resistant to this, so that they don't stick out like a sore thumb under night vision.
14:40 Actually, in the book Paul has a vision that the Freman's messiah would be named Muad'dib. Paul assumed that Muad'dib was a powerful name with a strong meaning. When it came time for Paul to choose his Freman name, he wanted to pick something small and weak to distance himself from the prophecy. He asked to be named after the small desert mouse. To Paul's dismay, Stilgar explains that the mouse is named Muad'dib, meaning "the one who points the way."
About that shield bit in the beginning . The Sardaukar were not worried about worms, since they weren't on the sand. When a lasgun is fired at a shield, both the lasgun and the shield explode, with strong enough shields generating blasts comparable to atomics
Does not matter if they were not on the sand. Just being on the ground would be enough due to the interaction(shield causes vibrations when interacting with the ground). If several worms goes into a frenzy at their location, it does not matter that they are on a rock. Harkonnen are skilled and disciplined enough to know about shield+laser interactions. They do not need to be reminded. Desert warfare might be new to many of them, though, and taking fire from projectiles would probably be responded with shield activation in normal circumstances. We also hear the projectile whistle before impact and we see projectiles in the firefight at 2:31 with Harkonnen firing back with their lasers. Fremen prefer projectile weapons and blades for ambushes. Lasers reveals your hiding spot when fired, as they are very obvious, even from a distance. They use conventional weapons to take down the ornithopter later in the movie, and only use the lasers against the unshielded crawler. They do not want to cause a nuclear reaction on their own lands.
15:28 The Bene Gesserit robes turn white because we're switching to infrared filming. The black fabric appears a white in IR because it reflects those wavelengths of light.
Part 2 has such a huge plot hole that allows the entire movie to happen. They never explain or show how they get OFF the worms. The can’t slow down or speed up the worms, they can only steer them left or right, yet somehow entires communities and their elderly are magically shown riding atop them without ever showing how they got all of them on there. They never show more than one worm drawn to a thumper yet you have 5 of them traveling side by side with the entire tribe on them. How did they all get on them? How did they all time the worms to travel together? And how did any of them, let alone the crippled elderly, get off the worms without them turning around to eat them from the distinct vibration in the sand of something falling on and rolling on the ground? By omitting these very important details, the movie and the many events in it are allowed to happen.
15:38 the reason for that is actually because they shot the Geidi Prime scenes in infrared, so things that are really hot show up brighter, presumably. since the Benegesserit wear all black, that showed up as white since it absorbs more heat.
2:20 There's a second reason why they don't use them. Besides the worm attraction factor, the Fremen also use the lasguns we saw the Harkonnen soldiers use; if their beam is fired onto a shield, the ensuing reaction detonates with the force of a nuclear device. Hence why in Part One we saw kinetic weapons slowing to penetrate shields and why melee warfare is used frequently. It's an awesome explanation of why the fights are so visceral and personal.
Harkonnen are fairly well trained and disciplined, and do not need to be reminded of laser+shield interactions. However, when taking fire from projectile weapons, it would be natural to want to turn the shields on. The "veteran" Harkonnen is shouting no shields, because some of his group is new to desert warfare, and might not know that it would attract worms(a death sentence in the desert). The Fremen mainly use projectile weapons(like mauler pistols) or blades for ambushes. We hear the whistles before impact, and even see them in the firefight at 2:31 with the Harkonnen firing back with their lasers. Also laser weapons are very obvious when fired, making them a poor weapon for concealed ambushes. The Fremen do not want to cause a potentiel nuclear reaction on their own lands, which is probably why they take down the ornithopter with conventional weapons, then use lasers against the unshielded crawler.
Really my only real problem with Part 2 is that the time table is so fast. The birth and death of (the first) Leto II is such a pivotal point in both Paul and Chani's life that it feels wrong not having it in the story.
It's funny because I always felt that was so rushed in the book, they might as well not have bothered. The way Leto II dies offscreen seemed like the story didn't care much.
@@TCO_404Yea I did forget about the first Leto II until I was rewatching the miniseries. He wasn't really a character that we spent much time with in the books.
Maybe. In our own history, in some nations, the title "Empress" simply refered to the main consort/wife of the Emperor. Similar to the King and Queen dynamic. We even have a case where a widowed "Empress" took the title "Emperor" after her husband died, as a display of power and her intention to rule until her son came of age and could yake over.
Man, it makes me happy how much your videos have rubbed off on me. I found myself saying a lot of these wins to myself almost word for word weeks ago when I first saw the movie. Far better than when I was more interested in your… less kind counterpart. I’ve just been generally more positive about films. Thanks for the good vibes man!
It's interesting how Feyd Rautha is set so much to be a mirror to Paul, in potential and ability. And yet the two have absolutely no actual connection until the moment of the duel. It feels like it is building up to a big emotional climax, but neither even knows who the other really is.
My understanding was that Feyd was very similar to Paul in having prophetic dreams, being very close to the realization of the Kwizatz Haderach. So him saying he dreamed of her was just a prophetic dream, and Margot being a Bene Gesserit would have understood that.
I think Feyd's dream of Margot is supposed to be a clue that he's an alternate version of Paul and has prescient dreams, since Feyd and Count Fenring got merged in the movie.
2:18 the "no shields" thing might have been also due to the fact that they were attacked with lasers and in the books it is explained that when you point a laser at a shield the nuclear fusion happens and most likely both die.
The opening scene adds to the bug theming of a lot of the equipment and vehicles nicely. In the first movie we had Dragonfly helicopters and Beetle harvesting machines, and in the opening to Part 2 we get the all black Harkonnen soldiers looking like ants crawling around on the bright orange sand.
As long as he completely ignores the terrible misanthropic sequel novels where God needs high-tech gadgets to keep an eye on His creation. Utter garbage.
So, iirc, the main reason why the witches' robes turn white in the sun of Geidi Prime is mainly because the director wanted the world to look like it's under a constant Thermal scope. Them witches is HAUT
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Watch part 2 right now on Nebula! nebula.tv/videos/cinemawins-everything-great-about-dune-part-two-part-2
Nice dad joke on the title of the video 😊
Right, so I can't watch the whole thing unless I sign up to yet another service. No thank you.
just knowing there is a part 2 i cant watch, whats the point of even watching part 1.
Wait as a non reader of the series are you saying that someone is planting false memories to Paul but he's seems all pretty powerful to have that happen?
Yea had I known I had to pay to watch part 2 I wouldn’t of even watched part 1
They don't show it in the movie, but Fremen Stietches have factories in them where they manufacture Stillsuits, Thumpers, and all the other equipment they utilize. They're not a primitive people, they have advanced technology just like the rest of the universe.
Being 'primitive' in this movie is still using laser gun and artillery so the bar has been set quite high 30k something years from now 😅
I think the closest we got is a mention in Part 1 that they made their own stillsuits, so we can infer some significant production capability for precise plastics and fabrics on small scales to create it.
Not completely civilized. The Fremen just drink coffee, instead of tea.
It’s good to be underestimated. Keeps off-worlders from trying to take advantage of them. Why bother when all the infrastructure is built far away from the sietches.
It's 20k yrs in the future, even the most traditionalist faction's tech are lightyears better than ours
I love how the henchmen of the opening immediately shoot the thumper. It immediately establishes them as competent and illustrates a harsh truth. The most dangerous enemy is one who learns from their mistakes.
I wonder if the rock was not high enough that they could have used shields...
@@Chr1st0ph not when you have 5+ killing frenzy worms at your doorstep preventing you from going anywhere and actually do have a tendency in a rage or hunger to come out of the sand much higher than you would think.
@@Aldragon they still had their drop-ship to pick them up
They can‘t use shield with the lasguns because that would cause an atomic explosion and they would all die. Shields only work with projectile weapons.
@@Aldragon considering the closest we've seen to an angry worm is the final battle where they emerge (controlled) a full on pissed off group of worms sounds mad scary lol
Very happy they used Princess Irulan to narrate the opening via her diary entries. In the books she is an important historian who documented the history of Muad’dib. Snippets from her writings were used as openings for chapters.
Such a good detail, the appreciation for the book just oozes out of this movie
Not to mention, a nice call back to the first film adaptation.
Especially because her segments at the start of each chapter make it clear that Paul has already won. There's no question of whether the plot will resolve with his success. It really nails home the idea that the future is already written.
@@giggityguy I loved that, I read Dune a few years back and I actually had to ask online about her diary entries since I wasn't sure if I bought some weird version of the book that spoils the ending with them.
It's wild that even though you know most of how it's going to play out early on it still manages to be riveting. At the time it was the longest book I'd ever read and it only took me a couple months, this was early in my re-introduction to reading after school made me hate books for like 10+ years.
It's also a thematic link to the first. That film opened with Chani narrating and Paul first meets her at the end and the same thing happens with Irulan in part two.
Feyd licks the knife because he knows it's not poisoned. Traditionally, the small white knife was poisoned, and the big black knife was clean. It was switched up for his special birthday. (The movie left out that Thufir was the one who set up this fight with the undrugged gladiator and the switched knives.)
yeah is kinda weird that lick maybe they cut the poison or a third knife since he kill the slave with a random knife from nowhere
Amazing film compression. They cut a lot of intriques and plot lines in the Harkonen family but they managed to convey all of that "You can not trust your relatives" feeling anyway.
Watching the scene where Paul harnesses the sand worm in IMAX is probably the most intense, jaw dropping theater experience I’ve ever been a part of. That scene was otherworldly and there were like 10 more in this movie I felt the same way about. Absolute masterpiece from Denis, as per usual!
the entire movie in IMAX is just something else. just the visuals on the big screen combined with speakers that can blow your ears off while still having good quality. you could feel the soundtrack.
This was my first IMAX experience and I wholeheartedly agree, definitely the most profound movie moment I've ever had. I felt my body trembling from excitement and the music was such a powerful catalyst for this scene. I think these movies will hold top spots for quite some time now. Like one of the other commentators said, it's like The Lord of the Rings for the new generation of movie goers.
@@MikeThePole maybe not Lotr, but it will get close
We saw it twice just to see it on the big screen again
Truly, I feel such a swell of pity and judgement of every 'reaction' channel that didn't see Dune Part 2 in theaters, I get it but at the same time they were...r...obbed of an experience like no other.
The voice especially isn't done any justice on a basic setup or headphones.
Herbert wrote Paul's story as a cautionary tale on against surrendering to charismatic leaders. Villeneuve tried to make that clearer.
I saw a video showing this speech compared to the David Lynch version, and it made me think about how Paul was written in the book compared to what original readers saw on the page.
Herbert also wanted to make it clearer with Dune Messiah... :D The very FIRST scene in that book is priests torturing people...
He shouldn't have made it clearer. The entire magic of Dune is that the first novel is a hero's journey, with a dark undertone, while the second novel really undermines the hero by showing how bad his rule is, and then third novel expands on said ideas.
@@transformersrevenge9 The original Dune's message is in no way a "hero's journey". It may be less tragic than the following books, but it still takes it's sweet time showing how Paul's position is a TERRIBLE one, and he utterly hates it, but feels he has no choice.
@@transformersrevenge9uhhh messiah was a book written bevause people missed the point of Paul in dune 1. Frank wouldn't have written it if people got it. So yes Denis made it clearer because Framk had to write a whole book because he didn't make it clear enough
16:29 Those aren't really bodyguards. Those are Picadors, a type of bullfighter whose purpose was to poke at the bull with spears in order to anger them and get them to charge. Paul's Grandfather hunted bulls for sport. Even with Leto dead, the Harkonnen's will stop at nothing to humiliate the Atreides. Those "phyrexian" looking crescent helmets even look like bull horns.
Never realized that before, such a cool detail!!
The subtitles refer to them as Picadors once and even not knowing the word I figured it was something similar. Also Phyrexian is the perfect way to describe them because they give me the ick real bad lmao
Also, the harkonnen arena music was playing using bagpipes in the theatres (not like the female voices in the ost). They were mocking the Atreides.
As well as calling them "specimens" and drugging the two Atreides soldiers with drugs that make them act more like cavemen being released into an exhibition for slaughter. It's a truly harrowing sight.
How refreshing is it to see a mainstream blockbuster use such great visual storytelling? In a lesser film, the characters would voice how accustomed Paul is to the sands of Arakis or how different he's acting after drinking the water of life. Instead, Dune Part 2 uses a more subtle shift to gray tones, pale skin, and darker blue eyes to show his difference. The audience gets the same information without the storytelling holding the viewer's hand.
Gotta also give credit to Zimmer's score. "Arrival" is my personal favorite track from it, and it does so much to really drive home to the audience that Paul is a different person now that he's "awakened," knows his own history and heritage, and has resigned himself to becoming something he's fought so long and hard to avoid in order to accomplish his goals.
@@scatmanskabadopthat song is epic. The whole soundtrack is amazing. It has this almost religious quality to it.
I remember reading somewhere that Villeneuve doesn't care about dialogue, and is only really interested in visual storytelling. And it shows. And you're right, it is refreshing, both visually and sonically. I wouldn't necessarily want every movie to be like that, but... Hot damn if he didn't make every inch of the big cinema screen worth watching, or that surround sound feel like total immersion. They want to get butts back on cinema seats? That's the way to do it.
The gradual realization on the part of people who haven’t read the books that Paul’s victory might not be a good thing is so much fun to see.
Well it's objectively good and better for the galaxy as a whole; there's just some massive losses to get there.
The ends justify the means. Even if the means also result in billions dead from a galactic jihad
@@Heroo01 it "WAS" bad, at least up until "Dune: Messiah", it destroyed dozens of worlds and wiped out entire civilizations.
It was only in "Children of Dune" that they added the concept of the "Golden Path" and the "Kralizec" as if to justify Paul's rise to power. "See, if Paul didn't rise to power and usher in an universal genocide, we would have prescient Skynet terminators in the future! It was a good thing all along you guys!"
@@highwaytoheaven99 Current state of affairs, where even High Houses can get wiped out in a day for apparently no real reason, is hardly a good thing that is terrible to overthrow.
I went into the movies knowing pretty much _nothing,_ and Paul's turn horrified me. The clip from the trailer where he ordered Charlotte Rampling to be silent made me expect the opposite of what actually happened.
Real, "It was said that you would _destroy_ the Sith, not *_join_* then!" vibes.
@@Heroo01you and a lot of people are really putting the cart before the horse. The golden path is Leto II child not Paul's. The scattering and thousands of years of constraint was overseen by Leto. Remember Paul abandons the golden path and ultimately denounces it. Leto is the one who carries it on. After seeing the consequences of becoming the worst murderer in history, Paul changes his mind. So no it wasn't ends justify the means. If Paul had it his way the path he foresaw would have ended after his presumed death. That's why in Children he is like 'get off the Paul hype train everyone'
Also he literally says he is worse than Hitler... hard to side with anyone who says that. The dude had people sewn into drums, Paul wasn't a good guy
When Jessica took the Water of Life, her fetus became completely aware. You can see her possess Jessica from time to time. Alia will be born with all the knowledge and power of a full Reverend Mother.
I really enjoyed that change from the book, I was terrified we were going to get a horrifying CGI baby like in Twilight, genuinely a fantastic choice. It would be nearly impossible to make Alia work in a movie since you're not going to get a child actor who can accurately portray just how creepy she is.
Nice take that Alia sometimes possesses Jessica. Very plausible, especially if you already know the story around Alia from the books. I did not get that vibe and blamed the "crazyness" on Jessica realizing she is Harkonnen, a new reverend mother and still not over the death of her soul mate the duke. The prophecy is not only the "safest" way to survive but the one path that leads Jessica towards revenge!
However, "CinemaWins" has read the books and is not baffeled by the outcome of Jessica's drinking the water of life. I think he is questioning the visual representation. It is -- as far as I can remember -- not detailed in the books, how the poison transmutation of Bene Gesserit actually works. For sure the Fremen reverend mothers (might be descendant of the order, or a planted "sect") knew that mixing pregnancy and the water of life is not a good idea. It might actually be linked to the female uterus, which is why males cannot survive its poison. Physiologically, there is no good other explanation of why there would be a tide of spice-infused liquid sloshing around the embryonic Alia in utero. But my take clashes a little with the movie's involvement of Chani with waking Paul from his water-of-life-coma.
In the book, Paul only takes a single drop and Chani uses another drop to "diagnose" why Paul is comatose. She means to "heal" him by having Jessica give Paul a transmuted drop, but Paul has already woken and does not need help. My interpretation is that the amount was too little to kill Paul but enough to unlock the Kwisatz Haderach and cause Paul to get lost in perceiving time. Being touched by Chani's water-of-life-dipped finger ankers him in their shared reality...
abomination!
OH FUCK thats why the other reverend mother was calling jessica a "abomination", its been years since ive read the books but didnt the reverend mother call alia the abomination?
And unlike Paul and Jessica who have developed their sense of self before awakening, she awoke as a Reverend Mother with 0 history of individual self, so she's essentially an unlimited reincarnation of the entirety of the Benegeserit.
i think another part that helps improve the fear mua'dib installs in rauban, is the part where the fremens tactics are "exit the dust, stab the leg, kill the man, enter dust". meanwhile you have mua'dib who desnt use this strategy, he simply aproaches you, with the confidence that he does not need the hit and run strategy of the rest. along the chanting and the legend, this realy solidifies that he is a figure to be feared
2:17 When a laser gets in contact with a shield, it explodes in a nuclear blast. The worms are the LEAST of their concerns here lol
exactly, the worm will be there in like 15-30 minutes, but the pseudo-nuclear explosion? that´ll be instant
But they didn't get shot with lasers. It was a projectile. Hence the confusion.
This information also isn't in the movies, so the audience is just left to assume the worms are the feared result
@@Grom76300 nope, it was lasers, you can see the little streaks of light on the next shot.
Its the sole reason why everyone is fighting with knives instead of just ABUSING lasers like in Star Wars. Because if your laser hits a shield even by accident EVERYONE DIES.
Thats why the Fremen wait for Chani to take down the shielded helicopter later in the movie, before they pull their laser guns and destroy the spice collector.
@@highwaytoheaven99 If you go frame by frame in the upward shot at 2:30, you can definitely see at least one projectile.
Paul's speech while all the Fremen are kneeling is one of the best "monologues" of this century
"Your mothers told you of my coming" is badass asf!
the movie was already rlly good for me but that whole scene and him going to that scene and the cinematography made that movie my #1
@@cameronfaulkner4520 his speech in the Fremen language is so good. He makes it sound natural
The score used to introduce Feyd-Rautha is UNBELIEVABLE. Also, the Atreides he fights is played by Roger Yuan, the fight coordinator who trained Austin Butler for the movie. So good.
16:19 Feyd winks at the slave after he attack, plus the slave is a character of the first movie not just a random AND PLUS HE HAS THE ATREIDES SYMBOL IN THE ARM LIKE THE BOOK brooooo put this in the part 3
Roger Yuan, who plays the guard who stops Stilgar. He's also the fight/stunt coordinator for the films. Dude's 63 too. I don't even think I'd have put him at 50.
The weird colors on Giedi Prime are because they shot the scenes in Infrared; that's why Bene Geserit's robes go white, they're cold and not giving off much light
They are hot. So other way around
That's terrifying, almost like the planet is one of predators, seeing heat and attacking anything that's alive and warm blooded.
@@TheAdattoif the robes are black, that means they absorb a lot of light/infra-res and emit little light/infra-red. White objects would absorb little infrared and emit the most infrared afaik
so i think it they have it right its not reversed
@@ovencake523 you got reflect and emit mixed up
@@TheAdatto oh yeah you're right i had it completely backwards... 🤦
The Giedi Prime sequence was pure magic.
The ensemble of announcers' voices morphed into one, the Sun that emits infrared, the insane crowd, the oil splotch fireworks, the creepy gladiators, and finally the harsh and loud music. It is exactly what kind of environment would create such a horrific culture like the Harkonnens.
I've personally decided that the opening narration is in fact not Sardaukar throat singing but actually Leto II opening each film.
That doesn't make sense (especially because the lines at the beginning of Part One are sung later in the Sardaukar ceremony) but I like unhinged theorycrafting so I 'preciate you, king
Honestly think one of my favourite small character details is Chani's anklets. Just a few seconds close up seeing the graceful way she sandwalks and that little adornment to her stillsuit. The big spectacles are amazing but the tiny details in everything are what really makes these movies so rich and intimate and rewatchable
Paul riding The Great Sandworm was so badass. You never forget your first.
The black-and-white sunlight on Geidi Prime was filmed in infrared. You're literally "seeing" heat. Their robes turn white because they're warm.
No they turn white because they had 2 cameras mounted and then fade over.
That's such a dope detail
Except the coloring doesn't match temperature. For example the creatures in the ring are black but one would presume they put off heat
Infrared is different from thermal...both use infrared but differently. Black on a normal IR camera just shows up as white...the whole thing is just stylized I think, maybe using IR data with some other color correction/filters to achieve the look
@@funtourhawk yes, they did. They had to get specific colors, specific textures of materials to get a specific look on infrared. So without infrared they might look like a clown, but with IR they get the exact style they were going for.
7:10 her point was “you learned the sandwalk from a space-Wikipedia page and haven’t internalized the ‘without rhythm’ part.” She used a confusing but funny simile to get this across. I noticed in Part One that while Paul and Jessica were following the steps he learned, they repeated the sequence instead of varying the timing, like what Chani teaches him here.
6:35 I was starting to worry that you wouldn't mention Life of Brian, but you did not disappoint
The comment I was looking for.
13:28 you forgot that before the explosion a bird "sings" meaning some Fremen drop the signal to explote all xD
Christopher Walken being in the Weapon of Choice music video and then playing the emperor in this movie is so funny
Batista does a great job of balancing violent giant and sniveling coward. He's got no problem killing drugged slaves like his brother. And will kill a subordinate who would never fight back. But at the first sniff of a challenge, you can see the terror on Raban's face.
I dont think it is fair to say "the first sniff of a challenge". However, what he is dealing with is basically fighting "demons"(Duncan Idaho). Suddenly appearing, killing a bunch of your own, then disappear. They drain you of your water("cannibalism") and they are fanatical to the degree of suicidal when attacking.
He has been dealing with this for months, and he is under pressure to get results, but is not skilled enough to do so.
What is more, he knows, or at least suspects, that he is being set up to fail, to make Feyd-Rautha look good.
That is an insane amount of stress, and he buckles.
In the end, he really is just a mad dog.
Part of the reason the harkonnen said “No Shields” while they’re being shot at is because they are also being targeted by laser rifles. It’s not mentioned in the films but in dune lore, a laser hitting a shield will create a chain reaction.
(Atomic explosion)
So if any of them had shields on and got hit by a laser, they’d all be dead.
Easily one of the greatest cinematic experiences I have ever had. Normally with most films, I'm quietly cracking jokes, but with this, I was almost entirely in silent awe. What an incredible film.
17:50 some guy say that Feyd knowing her from a dream is because HE IS ALSO ALMOST A Kwisatz Haderach meaning he see the future even if he is NOT TRAINED by the Bene Gesserit meaning he is the equal to Paul in other ways not just opposite houses, but bloodlines of male bene gesseirit
Pardon my English, I'm not a native speaker.
Bene Gesserit training never allowed to see the future, they can only see memories of their ancestors, and only female ones. Though you are right -- Feyd also carries the right genes, that's why he has visions of future, just like Paul. If I remember the books correctly, the Bene Gesserit plan's pinnacle is the son of Feyd Rautha and Lady Jessica's daughter -- that person was to become the Kwisatz Haderach, the first male who can survive the water of life ritual, and eventually can see both past (for both male and female ancestors, unlike Bene Gesserit) and the future, so he could lead humanity to "a better future". That's why it's very important part that Jessica decided to carry a son instead -- she messed up the breeding chain that lasted dozens of generations, while Paul became a unexpected anomaly, and Bene Gesserit are scared of him shitless.
So now witches are in damage containment state. They are unaware that Jessica is pregnant again (not that they can influence hey in any way still), so they are trying to preserve the "right" genes in order to have their perfect messiah some other generations in the future.
@@scope40k Your English was on point, and you explained that perfectly!
Possibly safe to say that Dune is this generation's Lord of the Rings.
Not really. LotR holds its own even today and is far easier to enjoy.
Wouldn't say that about the 1st movie
@cfdfirefighter I mean Lord of the Rings is timeless, but for what it's worth, Dune is another amazing adaptation of a beloved series. Will it match up with LOTR? Probably not, but man, Dune has been enjoyable so far.
I wish, but not even close to me. I enjoyed Part 1 well enough but Part 2 was surprisingly far less engaging for me. I was really looking forward to it but found myself checking my watch and playing with my phone way more that I do for big epic movies like this. It was sadly very unsatisfying for me. The actors were all fine (I don’t even mind Walken here, though a lot of people seem to), but by the end of the movie I was just glad it was over and long stopped caring about most of the characters.
And Dune 1984, for all of its issues, had a much better emperor and production values overall, notwithstanding some of the dated visual effects. Dune 1984 remains my favorite telling of this story.
Having seen the narration in part two, I wish there was narration part one. Having narration in only the second part (so far) of a (presumably) three part film series is very distracting.
@@unknown_individual7050 dune has been amazing and the adaptation the books deserved. However LotR cannot be matched for its depth, peril mixed with joy and levity. Dune is many things but isn’t light and joyous. The darker tone is gonna lower the repeatability of watching, where LotR is enjoyable in many situations.
Part 2 was everything I hoped for and more, it took creative liberties that really enhanced the overall story and created new scenes that better compliment the visual medium.
Denis is a master of the craft, masterpiece film
12:32 the knife-swinging toddler Alia Atreides killed Vladimir Harkonnen in Dune the book. I read the filmmakers kept her in utero because having her kill him would’ve felt even weirder than that (and it made sense to give Paul his revenge).
The Harkonnen home world/fight sound track goes so hard and communicates the mood so clearly , perfectly complemented by the whisper of “Show them who you are” as the scene approaches it climax!
I'm sad you didn't comment on it, but when Paul is summoning the worm to ride, and he's walking back and forth atop the sand dune, his footsteps are in time with the thumper. It's so minor that the movie itself doesn't bother commenting on it, but it adds to the veracity of the worldbuilding, and I love it every time I see it.
love love that moment after the take down the thopter and you can hear chani laughing with glee before the score kicks back in ❤❤
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Another explanation could be because they are being hit by lasguns, and if the shields got turned on, all of them would die of the nuclear explosion that happens when the two contact each other.
are they actually hit witth lasers? looked more like projectile weapons to me.
I dont think the Fremen in this scene were using lasers(we hear projectiles before the hit), although the Harkonnen were firing back. They usually rely on various projectile weaponry(like maula pistols).
And they would not risk nuclear explosions. That is why they take down the shielded ornithopter first, then use lasers on the unshielded crawler. If they simply wanted destruction, they could have used a laser on the ornithopter.
Also, the Harkonnens have enough discipline to not need being reminded to not turn on a shield if they take laser fire. However, desert warfare might be new to some of them, so getting shot by projectiles might make some of them want to turn it on.
Instead, this scene shows us 2 things about the Harkonnen.
1) They acknowledge the threat of the Thumper.
2) At least some of them understand that turning on the shields, even when under fire, is a guaranteed death sentence while in the desert.
Which sets them up as fairly competent. Which makes the Fremen appear even stronger when they defeat them.
@@fendelphi but they are on a rock so how would a worm reach them?
@@roberine7241 They can be several hundred meters long(some even reaching the length of over 1000 meters). That rock is roughly between 50-100 meters tall. A group of worms in a frenzy can easily destroy such rock formations.
@@fendelphi I don't actually think the ground attack on the harvester was because they were worried to accidentally hit the shielded ornithopter, because in a later scene they destroy a harvester with lasguns while two ornithopters are flying around. I think it was mostly because they didn't have any kind of cover there and if they had started with the lasguns, the ornithopter would have then shot them all dead and they would've probably lost the lasguns in the process. In the other scene, they shoot from the cover of a rock formation.
The harkonnen sun turning black fabrics white is because the sequence was filmed in infrared, not normal black and white. It's an optical effect (as far as I know) and not a post thing 15:37
Also I think the GreatHouseSplaining was a little clumsy but it was there to tell us that he knew exactly wtf the desert mouse was called. He remembers his studies. He asked the question on purpose, probably both to NOT eff up the way he did with Chani and get the meaningful name.
A detail I didn't notice until like the 3rd rewatch is that one way we know the Bene Gesserit Voice not only used (in a more subtler way than we see so far) but also is working on Feyd is the background getting distorted. Austin Butler's acting is so good we're distracted from the minor touch that his perception is beginning to get messy. They didn't have to do that minor touch, yet they did, and that for me indicates a love for this film and the source material which I appreciate lots.
8:59 what? no win for Chani's giggle as they run away from the explosion?
8:34 I read online that he was supposed to be Space Muhammad, but you’re still right about the overall vibe.
18:27 i think is a reference to the book you know, plus was improvised by Austin the Baron is actually shock xDDD
The "mirror" casting with Thanos attacking Drax for killing his family. Most fun bonus since the "Tolkien White Guys" in Black Panther.
I love Stilgar 😂
Stilgar: he IS our messiah! 😃😃
Paul: I am no messiah. 🤨😠
Stilgar: So humble, our messiah 🥹🥹
I normally hate the whole "You have to see it in theaters to get the full effect." claim people make about movies, but this is the first one where I fully agree. The vastness of the desert, the power of the sand worms, the Voice of the Bene Gesserit seeming to come from inside you. Absolutely fantastic movie.
at 17:38 it wasn't that they put dreams into Feud's mind, it's that he's having the same future sight that Paul has, because Paul was suppostoo be a girl that married Feud, to create the Kizarch
First time I've seen the humbleness scene compared to *Gladiator* instead of *Life of Brian*
13:42: "Cavalry," please. Not "Calvary".... I made this up to remember the difference: "There was no cavalry at Calvary. The infantry did that stuff to Jesus."
0:27 1 years sounds like a charm, I just followed a series of videos about the first Harry Potter that took from 2015 to 2023
The thing I wasn't too fond of with this part of the story is the arena fight... Originally, Feid WAS the one who left an undrugged Atreide fight him, to send a message to harkonnen nobles to never underestimate him just as he was assassinating the baron and taking his place ! Only for said baron to go "your attempt failed, but I don't mind, the Real fuckup was your TIMING ! it's too EARLY for that ! When it's time for you to get rid of me, I'll step down and GIVE the throne to you..."
Here, it's the baron fixing the fight to better Feid's public relations to build him up for eventually taking power... It's servicable, but the whole "too early to kill me" was SO powerful, showing us just how on top of the political game Vladimir is, and how ruthless you gotta be to sit on the Harkonnen throne !
Instead, to me this just showed some basic-bitch court intrigue, and Feid going "yOu TrIeD To kIlL Me" undermines him, as he's SO far behind stuff, where on the other version it's the baron being so far ahead of EVERYONE, not just Feid...
What a masterpiece of a movie
Showing the opening for half of the video would've been fine tbh. Lighting, score, Cinematography, truely one of the greatest set pieces in recent cinema history.
I've noticed if you watch Paul's introduction to the Seitch there are subtle signs that it was heavily engineered even before he blackmails Jessica with "become a Reverend Mother or death." I don't think it's a coincidence that his big loud shout was IMMEDIATELY followed by a true believer leading a bowing prayer circle to him.
That wonka-drax joke is so funny and your delivery was perfect for me.
Such a masterpiece of a movie
2:18 Another reason to not activate shields would be that when a laser hits a shield, it creates a miniature nuclear explosion, which would wipe out the soldiers regardless. I’m not entirely sure that they are being hit by lasers though when Paul looks up to where the soldiers are, lasers are being shot, along with other yellowish projectiles. Of course, the writers may have not even accounted for that and only had the worms in mind. The soldiers may also have not been taking laser fire. That’s my two cents. I love you videos and I can’t wait for part 2 of part 2.
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This bit in the books is darkly HILARIOUS cause we get Paul's inner monologue and thought process. He's trying to be humble and not seem full of himself, but he's ALSO trying to pick a name that is unimportant and nonthreatening, doing everything he can to dampen the prophecy and futures of war and dominion he's seen by picking a name that will keep him from acclaim and power beyond what he has already.
So he asks what the name of the little desert mouse is, thinking he's nailed it. Then he hears "Oh, the Maud'Dib is wise and clever and tenacious, a true survivor of the desert. Fuck, we named our smaller moon after it! An auspicious choice of name, Usul!"
And Paul in his head is just "God, DAMN IT!!! WHY?!?!?"
That last point the power play kiss, that was improvised and not in the script but they loved it so much they kept it cuz it just felt so real in character for his character
It's Margot, Lady Fenrig. It bothers me that they didn't get it right because it bothers Lady Jessica. Also, I hate that a) they contracted the timeline so much. Approximately five years for Mu'ad Dib to become a legend/nightmare is fast but more doable than approximately five months. And b) that Feyd undergoes the gom jabbar which definitely isn't in the books.
The entire time you were quoting Gladiator I was pumping my fists. I love that line and have been quoting it since 2000!
Thanks! I still have those suggestions for the coming months or whenever you can:
1. Request #37 for Jurassic Park 2 (1997) and 3 (2001).
2. Request #26 for Shrek (2001)
3. Request #27 for Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981).
I understand how you might be busy with The Flash, Blue Beetle, Aquaman 2, Wonka, and possibly Oppenheimer. But still, take your time. Love you, CinemaWins! Always!
Also, I still can't wait for the teaser shot at the end of EGA Dune: Part 2!!!
2:18: Actually, there is a more elaborate reason behind not using shields: Holtzmann shields (that's what they are called) and lasers, when reacting to each other, produce so much counteracting energy that it will turn a mere shot into an explosion that's akin to a small nuclear explosion. So, it's not only a death sentence by worms. It's a death sentence by physics in Dune.
EDIT 1: 8:21 Also, not a minigun. More like a plasma flechette gun.
Or a Gatling Gaussrifle. Whichever label is correct, it was beyond badass.
Harkonnen have enough military discipline to not need a reminder about laser+shield interactions. And we hear the projectile whistle shortly before impact. We even see some of them in the firefight at 2:31 while the Harkonnen are firing back with their lasers.
Lasers are very obvious(clear to see) when used. For ambushes, it would give away your position almost immediately.
Instead, it shows that the Harkonnen understand the threat of both Thumpers and the worms(though some of them might be new to desert warfare).
@@fendelphi The audience might have needed a reminder.
@@colormedubious4747 Maybe, but it is not really the kind of movie who wants to remind the audience about such details, unless it is somehow important to the story.
We do not see the beams from the Fremen(they are quite visible when used, so we should be able to see them), nor do we see the Fremen use laser weaponry in the other ambushes, except against the Crawler.
@@fendelphi Sure, and the explanation that worms attack shields would normally be adequate to serve the needs of the story... except that the Harkonnen who yelled "no shields" was on top of an enormous rock where no worm could possibly reach his troops.
Who expected Javier Bardem to be comic relief? He’s one of the best parts of the movie!
2:19 Another reason they don't turn on shields is because that would cause a nuclear explosion. Duncan Idaho actually takes advantage of this in the first Dune but we don't get to see it in the movie :(
I loved the first one but man the second one has to be one of the best movies ive ever seen
The edit you did at 3:44 had me ROLLING 😂
1:44 another fact they look like ants climbing, they are on ONE LINE with that suits
15:30 The robes' colour change was because this scene was shot with a rig that caught the image in both colour and infrared from the same angle. That's what gives it all that specific clean and bleached look, and also why the black robes are so reflective, because the black captures and radiates heat so well.
Something else that I also enjoyed was the call-and-response chanting of the arena crowd. It gets you pumped.
11:05 Paul thought his surname was Matthews and not Atreides for a second
I can't help but have the biggest smile on my face whenever I see the worm riding scene, it's just too good.
2:16 Lasers+Shield = they all go boom, so no shields a good call from the Harkonnen grunt I must say.
Also, I think shields only attracts worms when they're in direct contact of sand, I might be wrong though.
They are standing on sand.
Also the Harkonnen have enough military discipline that they do not need to be reminded about lasers+shields. Desert warfare might be new to some of them.
And we were hearing projectile whistling before the impact. We also see some projectiles flying in the firefight at 2:31 with the return laser fire from the Harkonnen.
@@fendelphi ur baitin
This movie has a real artistic vision and is chuck full of breathtaking ideas (visual or audio). Pretty rare lately in movies.
15:27 many black fabrics will show up as white under IR (The Geidi Prime outdoor scenes were filmed in Near-IR to get the high contrast look). It's because of this that higher quality military clothing and gear uses materials that are resistant to this, so that they don't stick out like a sore thumb under night vision.
14:40 Actually, in the book Paul has a vision that the Freman's messiah would be named Muad'dib. Paul assumed that Muad'dib was a powerful name with a strong meaning. When it came time for Paul to choose his Freman name, he wanted to pick something small and weak to distance himself from the prophecy. He asked to be named after the small desert mouse. To Paul's dismay, Stilgar explains that the mouse is named Muad'dib, meaning "the one who points the way."
About that shield bit in the beginning . The Sardaukar were not worried about worms, since they weren't on the sand. When a lasgun is fired at a shield, both the lasgun and the shield explode, with strong enough shields generating blasts comparable to atomics
Does not matter if they were not on the sand. Just being on the ground would be enough due to the interaction(shield causes vibrations when interacting with the ground). If several worms goes into a frenzy at their location, it does not matter that they are on a rock.
Harkonnen are skilled and disciplined enough to know about shield+laser interactions. They do not need to be reminded. Desert warfare might be new to many of them, though, and taking fire from projectiles would probably be responded with shield activation in normal circumstances.
We also hear the projectile whistle before impact and we see projectiles in the firefight at 2:31 with Harkonnen firing back with their lasers.
Fremen prefer projectile weapons and blades for ambushes. Lasers reveals your hiding spot when fired, as they are very obvious, even from a distance. They use conventional weapons to take down the ornithopter later in the movie, and only use the lasers against the unshielded crawler. They do not want to cause a nuclear reaction on their own lands.
15:28 The Bene Gesserit robes turn white because we're switching to infrared filming. The black fabric appears a white in IR because it reflects those wavelengths of light.
Part 2 has such a huge plot hole that allows the entire movie to happen. They never explain or show how they get OFF the worms. The can’t slow down or speed up the worms, they can only steer them left or right, yet somehow entires communities and their elderly are magically shown riding atop them without ever showing how they got all of them on there. They never show more than one worm drawn to a thumper yet you have 5 of them traveling side by side with the entire tribe on them. How did they all get on them? How did they all time the worms to travel together? And how did any of them, let alone the crippled elderly, get off the worms without them turning around to eat them from the distinct vibration in the sand of something falling on and rolling on the ground?
By omitting these very important details, the movie and the many events in it are allowed to happen.
Nice point!
15:38 the reason for that is actually because they shot the Geidi Prime scenes in infrared, so things that are really hot show up brighter, presumably. since the Benegesserit wear all black, that showed up as white since it absorbs more heat.
Please do Blue Beetle and The Fall Guy! Blue Beetle is underrated and The Fall Guy is just absolutely incredible and deserves a video!
I like that Villeneuve didn't include Herbert's homophobia when depicting the Harkonnens as villains
2:20 There's a second reason why they don't use them. Besides the worm attraction factor, the Fremen also use the lasguns we saw the Harkonnen soldiers use; if their beam is fired onto a shield, the ensuing reaction detonates with the force of a nuclear device. Hence why in Part One we saw kinetic weapons slowing to penetrate shields and why melee warfare is used frequently. It's an awesome explanation of why the fights are so visceral and personal.
Harkonnen are fairly well trained and disciplined, and do not need to be reminded of laser+shield interactions. However, when taking fire from projectile weapons, it would be natural to want to turn the shields on.
The "veteran" Harkonnen is shouting no shields, because some of his group is new to desert warfare, and might not know that it would attract worms(a death sentence in the desert).
The Fremen mainly use projectile weapons(like mauler pistols) or blades for ambushes. We hear the whistles before impact, and even see them in the firefight at 2:31 with the Harkonnen firing back with their lasers.
Also laser weapons are very obvious when fired, making them a poor weapon for concealed ambushes.
The Fremen do not want to cause a potentiel nuclear reaction on their own lands, which is probably why they take down the ornithopter with conventional weapons, then use lasers against the unshielded crawler.
16:08 The Gates open to the Sound of Drums Kick-Starting the Show O.O
Really my only real problem with Part 2 is that the time table is so fast. The birth and death of (the first) Leto II is such a pivotal point in both Paul and Chani's life that it feels wrong not having it in the story.
It's funny because I always felt that was so rushed in the book, they might as well not have bothered. The way Leto II dies offscreen seemed like the story didn't care much.
@@TCO_404Yea I did forget about the first Leto II until I was rewatching the miniseries. He wasn't really a character that we spent much time with in the books.
I noticed that Shaddam referred to Irulan as a future Empress, meaning in the movie continuity, the Empire is not a patriarchy
obviously, hollywood is femenist and would never put Islamic tradition and poligamy
Maybe. In our own history, in some nations, the title "Empress" simply refered to the main consort/wife of the Emperor. Similar to the King and Queen dynamic.
We even have a case where a widowed "Empress" took the title "Emperor" after her husband died, as a display of power and her intention to rule until her son came of age and could yake over.
Hollywood needs people like Denis Villeneuve
More than ever
You know what would be awesome. Seeing the guild navigators in Dune messiah. Next sequel.😏👍
Am I the only one who watched the dream sequences and kept expecting Leto II to show up? Even if just as the sand worm hybrid in the background?
please do this for Godzilla Minus One! it is another example of perfection!
Man, it makes me happy how much your videos have rubbed off on me. I found myself saying a lot of these wins to myself almost word for word weeks ago when I first saw the movie. Far better than when I was more interested in your… less kind counterpart. I’ve just been generally more positive about films. Thanks for the good vibes man!
It's interesting how Feyd Rautha is set so much to be a mirror to Paul, in potential and ability. And yet the two have absolutely no actual connection until the moment of the duel. It feels like it is building up to a big emotional climax, but neither even knows who the other really is.
My understanding was that Feyd was very similar to Paul in having prophetic dreams, being very close to the realization of the Kwizatz Haderach. So him saying he dreamed of her was just a prophetic dream, and Margot being a Bene Gesserit would have understood that.
I think Feyd's dream of Margot is supposed to be a clue that he's an alternate version of Paul and has prescient dreams, since Feyd and Count Fenring got merged in the movie.
2:18 the "no shields" thing might have been also due to the fact that they were attacked with lasers and in the books it is explained that when you point a laser at a shield the nuclear fusion happens and most likely both die.
The shield thing could be that they call a worm, could be that a lasgun against a shield causes basically a nuclear explosion. At least in the book.
The opening scene adds to the bug theming of a lot of the equipment and vehicles nicely. In the first movie we had Dragonfly helicopters and Beetle harvesting machines, and in the opening to Part 2 we get the all black Harkonnen soldiers looking like ants crawling around on the bright orange sand.
I hope Denis Villeneuve gets to direct RENDEZVOUS WITH RAMA
Because no one is more perfect than him
As long as he completely ignores the terrible misanthropic sequel novels where God needs high-tech gadgets to keep an eye on His creation. Utter garbage.
Lisan al-Gaib!
I like how at 3:46 he edited it to have Rabban continuously smashing the other Harkonnens head into the console for like 10 seconds lol
So, iirc, the main reason why the witches' robes turn white in the sun of Geidi Prime is mainly because the director wanted the world to look like it's under a constant Thermal scope. Them witches is HAUT
Fun fact, the Atreides soldier who fights Feyd is the martial arts expert who trained everyone for the films.