I want to Thankyou Pastor for your message". Am I really saved." I have been in these Churches that have PREACHED these wrong teachings about Gods Gospel. I have searched my heart about my own position in light of Gods principles of Holiness. I came to the understanding that you have spoken about regarding true Salvation. I Thank Almighty God for His Mercy and Grace to me. And now I realize why I have been rejected by so many Other Christians who are walking a different path .I gave My life to Our Savour Jesus Christ, after hearing a street preacher who spoke of Christ Jesus who died for sinners at Calvary. I knew I needed His forgiveness as He is A Holy God who made The way for us all to be saved by His Grace( .I was saved in 1969)Thankyou for your message and explaining what the meaning of Gods Word is saying .May God Bless You abundantly.
SMITE THE EARTH WITH A CURSE. Try to imagine a situation where even those who claim to believe the Bible, have a doctrine which is so incorrect, that the Lord is prepared to “SMITE THE EARTH WITH A CURSE” had the Lord not sent a Prophet to correct the errors of the people. THAT IS EXACTLY THE SITUATION THIS AGE IS IN. The Lord is NOT playing games, rather, He is “Deadly serious.” Malachi 4:5 + 6. 5. Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: 6. And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and SMITE THE EARTH WITH A CURSE. According to the Word of God that is exactly the condition that this modern Church finds itself in, we are living in the Seventh and final Church Age, the Laodicean Church Age, which according to the Word of God is “Wretched, Miserable, Poor, Blind, and Naked.” Revelation 3:17. The Church goer, the person who claims to believe the Bible is called, “Wretched, Miserable, Poor, Blind, and Naked.” The non believer is NOT mentioned in this Scripture. The Lord sent His Messenger (angel) to restore the original understanding of the Word of God as the Apostles knew it. Revelation 3:14. And unto the ANGEL (Messenger) of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God. The letter is wrote to the Angel. This Angel (Messenger) is the Elijah, the God sent Prophet for this day: Matthew 17:11. And Jesus answered and said unto them, Eljah truly shall first come, and RESTORE ALL THINGS. “Restore all things” = Correct the inaccurate doctrine, had the Lord not sent this Prophet He would have had to “SMITE THE EARTH WITH A CURSE.” The Lord`s chosen vessel was William Branham, to reject this Prophet is to say that God made a mistake when He sent this Prophet. The Great Pillar of Fire descends in THIS DAY….. www.williambranhamstorehouse.com/pdf_downloads/the%20supernatural%20halo%20photograph.pdf Watch this: th-cam.com/video/0Ax-wN1lpn4/w-d-xo.html Watch this: th-cam.com/video/2xGjb2Fc5PQ/w-d-xo.html Visit: endtimemessage.org/
The worst part of Hellsong is their influence over most all christian churches in America. Almost every church sings songs from those apostate churches: Hillsong, Bethel, Elevation, etc. Then they actually pay royalties to use their songs.
Haha.. US Christianity is a joke. It cannot blame Hillsongs for anything. Frankly I doubt if the next revival will come close to the States if the church doesn't start fasting & praying for the evil that nation has wrought upon humanity these last 50 years. Abortion, pornography, homosexuality, overthrow of democracies under the guise of freedom.. millions of people killed, etc etc..... like Sodom & Gomorrah
Was one of the big reasons I left the last church. Plus the women in the church “religiously” listening to Beth Moore. These are at best apostate and at worst demonic.
Not true American Christianity is responsible for Hillsong. Brian Houston was influenced by your scam artists. Pat Robertson aided their expansion in to Ukraine.
As you were reading about the priority of stressing God's holiness first in presenting the gospel message --- God's gospel!! --- I kept thinking of Isaiah 6, where the prophet has a vision of the throne room of the HOLY, HOLY, HOLY GOD and is completely undone. He realizes that as a man of unclean lips who lives among people of unclean lips he has no business being in God's perfectly sinless presence. THEN the seraphim used the burning coal to purify Isaiah's mouth. First things first. As for Hillsong, judgment begins with the household of God (1 Peter 4:17). Where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there'll be disorder and EVERY VILE PRACTICE (James 3:14-16). The sin and rebellion at the root of Hillsong's tree is finding out those in corrupt leadership (Numbers 32:23, Ezekiel 34:1-10, John 10:10a). The Lord knows who are his own (2 Timothy 2:19) and the wise will flee from these false, wealth and glory seeking organizations (1 Timothy 6:10, John 7:18). They're NOT churches!! "Therefore, COME OUT FROM THEIR MIDST AND BE SEPARATE, " says the Lord, " AND DO NOT TOUCH WHAT IS UNCLEAN. And I will welcome you." (2 Corinthians 6:17).
It's a relief to hear a real pastor and not a "christian" guru from prosperity churches. Thanks for all the work preaching the TRUTH and not a self help product.
I was not wise, but God is merciful. How many times in my life has this been true! He is so kind to those who trust Him! He has so often used Satan's plans for my harm to give me good things. Glad I found your channel, Joel! God bless!
I really appreciate this message very much. My family and I attended a church with similar set up to Hillsong. We are in Las Vegas. Their tag line is Love Everyone Always. Sadly there are a lot of churches like that here touting the same thing. This church cares more about what the world thinks of them, more about making people who don't believe in God think it's a cool place to be and yeah maybe you will fall in love with God while you are in there. The sermons are more about pushing what the Pastor finds important than what God does in the bible. Anyone can belong and be a "member" as there is no church discipline, no following what a biblical church is, there is no shepherd to guard the gates from bad theology or false doctrine. Our first year there I knew I needed biblical teachers and started listening to John MacArthur to balance out what the physical church was teaching us. It was not until Covid that I asked the Pastor some serious questions and knew that we could not stay there any longer. Praise God we found Pastor Billy Crone and became members of his church. Praise God that there are still some biblical teachers to be found. May God bless your ministry.
Great teaching! Thank you for the clarifications while so many others seek to blur God's Word for their own self-serving motivations. "Grace has been 'stripped' of being amazing." 'And the reason it is 'no longer amazing' is because we no longer refer to humanity's nature as wretched.' Well said.
Thank you Joel for this timely message! I have been experiencing what Martin Luther called “The dark night of the soul” over many months because of Hillsong’s influence over the local evangelical Church that I previously attended and one where I was an active member of. Two years ago, as a Sunday school teacher and women’s Bible teacher, I saw what I can only describe as blatant apostasy infiltrating my church. Unrepentant sin was lightly touched on, but seldom discussed from the pulpit as being an eternal barrier between man and a Holy God. While salvation isn’t earned, it must always include God’s requirements for living a God honoring, obedient Christian Life. If we love God, we will obey him. 1 John 5:1-4 “Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father also loves those born of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God: when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome, 4 because everyone born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world: our faith.” Joel, your belief that sharing the gospel BEGINS with telling people the bad news first, is spot on! Until one sees their need for a savior, how can they fully embrace, serve, and appreciate Jesus “Yeshua” - (hebrew word for salvation)? Pastors should also tell their congregation the requirements of staying off the “lists of sins”- Colossians 3: 5-7; Galatians 5:19-21; Ephesians 5:5-6; and Revelation 21:8. When I read these lists of sins, they remind me to NOT take my salvation for granted; to never abuse God’s grace; and to make sure that I strive DAILY to walk worthy, of the calling, of being an authentic Christian! Authentic Christianity means being accountable for ones’ actions; being transparent with one’s struggles; confessing our sins to one another; and building each other up in our faith! Much of western Christianity has succumbed to the “Christian industrial complex” by using the “Hillsong model” of “big Screens; blue lights; skinny jeans; and fog machines.” Instead of the “church” being hospitals for the spiritually sick to become well, many have turned into entertainment centers SELLING motivational talks and pagan rock concerts. Theology is contained in lyrics and the hymnal (which use to be chosen by its adherence to spiritual “truth”) has been replaced by hypnotic back beats from professional “praise bands” that can easily deliver “strange fire” (demonic spirits).
The problem with the way people in a local church view their church is as a business. I have been on committees in our local baptist church and too many times people referred to their place of work as a model to run the church. Church is not business, it is not a franchise like Chick-Fil-A.
Lots of mic drop comments in this one! I really appreciate how you focused primarily on Hillsong's false teaching instead of their leadership's moral failings. That really is the bigger problem. I think it's OK to call their music "worship music" because they do use it to worship. The question is really who/what are they worshiping. I know a lot of people who love them and their music and I'm sure they are troubled by these latest findings. I pray that the Lord will lead them to biblically sound churches with solid, bold preaching that will sanctify them and show them what it really is to be in Christ.
Problem with hillsong worship is that it is designed to attract young people and talent from other churches. So it's not really designed to be worship. The worship is also designed to be in line with the pastors vision or the latest Christian/worldly fads. So again, it's not worship really if it is so man centred.
@@RightResponseMinistries I know! 1John is clearly intended to convict the unbeliever or the self deceived unto repentance and salvation OR encourage the genuine believer unto assurance. Thanks for writing that book. I'm gonna order one for.a couple friends of mine.
I watched the documentary & was so sad that these men have led so many astray, that is WHY WE FOLLOW Christ, the Word of God is the only truth! this is why God tells us meditate on the Word, (when) day & night, in the end even the elite will be deceived
it's sad to watch the documentary about Hillsong and how it went down. Brian Houston and the Hillsong Pastors live a lavish lifestyle while some of their followers are probably struggling and broke.
I'm interested in your book. That whole thing about not having assurance of salvation...I've been there and it's so hard 💔💔💔 So glad God is merciful to us.
Thank you, Pastor Joel, for preaching these truths so clearly. The feminization of Jesus' church is so prevalent that it matters not where I have traveled in this country, these same bad teachings are there. The holiness of God receives but a tip of the hat, while God's love eclipses all His other attributes. May I share that at least one pastor I have sat under was eminently clear in preaching the true truth that it is from God's thrice holiness through which and from which all His other attributes emanate AND each and all of God's attributes are perfect and infinite, thus one cannot compare the magnitude of God's love to His justice or even His anger or even His hatred - lest we forget that God hates sin. Maranatha!
I think you have got this entirely wrong. God is God because he is Holy. It is a given. Holiness isn't an attribute it is what makes God God. It's like describing a talking man as alive. Of course he is, otherwise he wouldn't be able to talk. God's first and most important attribute is his love. Why? Because of what he did on the cross for sinners. He did not need to do this but he did it anyway and there was and can never be any such expression of love from anyone anywhere. Without that ultimate sacrifice where would we be? God's other key attribute is justice. He cannot help but be just but he can help how he expressed that ultimate act of love on the cross. God's justice is an act of love too because it is entirely fair due to his holiness which is perfection. But love isn't an act of justice only mercy, grace and punishment. To imply that love is an act of justice would suggest that Jesus had no choice but to die on the cross when he had every choice - which is why it is the ultimate sacrifice - to pay for our sins.
God hates sin because it hurts people. The wages of sin is death.. which really means that sin has consequences. God's hatred of sin isn't God being angry cause folk broke the man made rules in the Bible.
When it comes to non-denominational churches expanding their "brand" and building an empire with multiple campuses, Calvary Chapel was the first to do that, and they did that years before Hillsong, Life Chuch. etc. But I'm not sure that anyone questions their doctrine
When Brian’s father (Frank) got public exposure for being a pedophile. Brian changed the Assembly of God Church, where he was the lead pastor to “Hillsong”, (the name of the street where the Church building was located). th-cam.com/video/4g2FgAu1NYw/w-d-xo.html Video ^ about Frank’s victims
Many who try to emphasize that God is love are really saying Love is God and they will define love. On the contrary if God is love then it is His being that defines love not us. The relationship of the members of the godhead is definitive of love not our whims of sentiment.
"Did you ever read 'The Shack?' If you haven't, DON'T!" Hahahaha. Amen to that! In all seriousness; thank you for this broadcast and for your faithfulness to Our Lord and His Gospel. Soli Deo Gloria!
I have just bought your book today. Why? Because you talked about it extensively in this clip. Please do more of this for your other books. The readers need this kind of content, especially in today’s information drowned world.
This happened on a global scale in the Roman Catholic Church. These American "Mega Churches" are a tiny reflection. Pray for these leaders to enjoy the gift of repentance.
Just finished watching the documentary on Hillsong 'A Megachurch Exposed' I must say i'd heard warnings about Hillsong but it wasn't until i watched this documentary that laid it out perfectly why they should be avoided at all costs! The creators of the expose did a magnificent job at pointing out the falsehoods of this 'movement' without adding any antichristian bias against Christianity or the Church as so many secular documentaries that deal with Christianity often do. Pity those who were sucked into their cultish ways but, it seems, all to many of them lack biblical discernment which we must exercise at ALL times with ALL things/personalities/movements, etc. we open our minds to! If you haven't seen the documentary, i wholly & emphatically suggest you do!
Dear Pastor - Just a “housekeeping” comment: It would be nice to see you, the preachers whole face including mouth 👄 when speaking. (Same with other of your videos in other circumstances ie placement of the microphone 🎙) Therefore, please reveal your whole face, instead of having a “relationship” with the microphone 🎤……
Hi, believer here, just have a question about Jesus and his return. I know Jesus is the perfect sacrifice for all sin, but why did he have to leave? Why couldn't his death and resurrection AT THE TIME just stop the madness? Why does allllllll this time HAVE to pass???? Just a question that I never thought about until just now.
The son ascended as fully man so that man could be in the presence of Holy God. He hasn't left but lives in the temple of His saints. Your question is a good one and I would suggest reading Romans 8. He does all things for the good of those who love Him. What we perceive as "Madness" is part of Gods perfect plan. We don't see the ripple effects of what God is doing five hundred years in the future.
God’s plan involves showing how his way is better through his chosen people. The church is a foretaste of eternal glory and a contrast to the world, meant to act as a voice to their conscience and a restraint against their evil, and do the works of God
Many protestant churches are based on ego. Eg Luther had valid reasons to call the chuch to account. However, his next step required humility to submit questions to the church that needed resolution rather than he setting up another interpretation of God's word. The mission of Jesus is to bring the good news to humanity and reconcile creation to God the Father. The counter reformation addressed the scandals of the Catholic Church; the church is a community of saints and sinners. Humanity is fallen because of the original sin of pride; pride is an obvious factor in hillsong's counterfeit religion.
Yes. I try to not listen to my heart (emotions), but preach to my heart. I remind myself that the most men can do is destroy the body, but God has the power to both destroy the body and cast the soul into hell. The antidote to the fear of man is the fear of God.
I’ve wondered for myself if that means that I shouldn’t be speaking the truth because of the emotional aftermath. I just wonder what the sun could be on my part for dealing with that. In your experience have you found it easier over time to rejoice in the Lord amidst those situations? Appreciate you commenting back!
Ultimately you can’t let unbelievers be the ones to tell you whether you’re doing it right or not, because they’re opposed to your evangelism by default and WANT to deter you from continuing. Have close Christian friends who can vouch for your character and affirm whether or not your conduct is appropriate. Don’t let people who don’t know you in private have any influence over how you see yourself, Mason. Been there done that. Take my tip. Hopefully one or two godly couples in your church are invested in discipling you and inviting you over to dinner and fellowship regularly
Just another reason why I'm glad and blessed to be in a Reformed Presbyterian Church, as we sing only Psalms, and that only a cappella. While I personally wouldn't mind including some of the greater ancient hymns, that does leave the door open in latter years for someone to then say "well then why can't we introduce this (crappy) song?" We never have to wonder if we're singing that which is Biblically compatible and pleasing to God or not. They are afterall, the songs God wrote through men.
I don’t think we can avoid becoming unbiblical by affirming unbiblical traditions, unfortunately. I understand the argument you’re making, but their bad song theology comes from their bad theology in general.
@@Dulcimertunes I don't actually subscribe to that position. I don't have a problem with musical instruments in worship, so long as they're tastefully, and appropriately done. They should be there to support the singing, not to stand by themselves, and most certainly not to overpower the singing. However, a capella singing with harmonies is very beautiful, and stirring. But another reason why no instruments is preferable (at least for me) is because once you allow for any instrument, unless that denomination has a hard and fast rule that says "only these instruments are allowed" then there's no way from preventing all sorts of ruckus. At a previous church we attended, they had someone playing bongos ... during a traditional old-style Hymn with the German national anthem as the tune. Absolutely horrid. And then who's to stop the drum kit and the electric guitars and bass and who knows what else? I mean I do enjoy rock-n-roll -- I sing it a lot, but it doesn't belong in a worship service ... at least not in a worship service to the one true God.
@@cosmictreason2242 I agree with you that the theology of these churches is already deeply flawed, which is why their music is par for the course. However, I'm not sure of what it is that you're saying otherwise. Are you suggesting that singing Psalms exclusively is unbiblical? Are you suggesting that singing a cappella exclusively is unbiblical? I'll grant you that it's not set forth as a mandate, but to say it's unbiblical is pretty close to saying it's antibiblical. One cannot have unbiblical Psalms, unless they're interpreting them in an erroneous manner, as the Psalms are the songs that God wrote through men. I would dare say that the vast majority of churches today sing few, if any, Psalms at all. As well, more and more churches are so filled with instrumentation that it's difficult-to-impossible to hear the congregation singing over the amped microphones and instruments. Just to let you know, I don't personally subscribe to strict and exclusive Psalmody, even though I'm a member (an a deacon) in a denomination that practices such. However, I never have to worry that the song I'm singing might not be Biblical. There are plenty of "great hymns of the faith" that are utter rubbish, and there are possibly some decent modern songs, even if the tune is crappy and sounds like a cereal commercial.
God is the author and finisher of our faith the good work He started in us he will finish it according to this word Hillsong has good ending along with its Pastors whom God saw before the world was formed standing before him holy and without blame.
This is the second video I've seen of yours where your audio is really low--probably an issue with OBS or whatever video capture program you're using. Make sure your audio input settings are correct.
There's also a chance that your OBS is drawing on your laptop's mic rather than the mic you are speaking into--because you're picking up more of an echo than you should be.
Actually this one was recorded on my phone. Mic wasn’t plugged in because I did it live and don’t know how to use the mic for live video from my phone. I’ll have to figure something out for live video in the future.
I've watched the entire Discovery+ doc. There are also Christians in the video, such as the Kiev pastors and the former hillsong volunteers and staff. But there are also people in the video who are "not so innocent" such as Karim Ranin.
There were also Christians offset researching and assisting journalists. It deliberately did not go down theological roads because the world does not know or care about theology. Now that this is getting pastors finally talking, there may be interest in a few more series that may go a bit more theological.
It's prophecy. Many fake churches and profits will go down. Jesus isn't a religion. It's not about going to church. It's about having a relationship with Jesus. Giving him your sins and asking for forgiveness. That's all he wants from us. He gave his life so we may live. Get to know him. I've known him all my life. I feel him. I've heard him and when I was nine I saw him in a vision. We are nearing the end of this Age of Grace. All truly saved will rapture out. Then God will clean the earth of sinners and sin through his wrath. Then Jesus will come back to the earth and rule in his kingdom for 1000 years. We believers will be in heaven for eternity.
When the news broke about hillsong it was not a surprise to anyone who has been invovled in any way which I as only in a very minor way when ironically hillsong took over two of the churches I attended, when it happened a second time having extracted myself once I just thought here we go again, gave them the benefit of the doubt but when I questioned the 'pastor' I use that term very loosely when referring to any of the hillsong leadership he falt out denied they were part of hillsone - interesting as they have all the branding on everything that comes out of that church and the have to send report to hillsong after every 'experience' every event, and they are not even allowed to allow anyone to 'preach' or take any leadership role (many were eased out following the take over) if they have not been to hillsong bollege or been indoctrinated by hillsong in some way............ So I have long since realised this is a house of cards which now one or two of the strategically place cards have been taken out it will fall and the fall out will affect anyone tainted by association and/or running a similar scam. This I have come to realise is/was a corporate machine, a cult, a pyramid scheme, a franchise it is not now and in fact never was a church for saving souls but a money making for those 'leaders and pastors' willing to follow the rules a high flying wealthy lifestyle - the fact that most of them - and I am not being unkind or mean but they were all too often broken, not especially gifted or intelligent just easy to manipulate and gullible. Sadly this will take a long time for the majority of them to recover from I only hope they do actually have a core of faith so the lord can help them because hillsong will simply throw them all under the bus then drive it over them
Interesting that you say more scandals will come along. It seems like we are already living in a day that was predicted in Luke 12:2-3, when Jesus said "what is whispered behind closed doors will be shouted from the rooftops". And all this was only made possible through the new technology and mass media we have today
@B G That'll be the day! The GCC/John MacArthur scandal as recently reported on Julie Roys's website (based on actual trial records and the conviction of the child abuser they defended i.e David Gray) is one of the most horrendous I have ever read and yet you won't see any of these Reformed Guys like this one, Justin Peters, Colin Miller etc even mention it. The biggest MacArthur devotee/idolater Tim Hurd of BTWN even twisted some facts and ignored others to DEFEND MacArthur! It's ironic how they are always eager to report on any whiff of scandal in the charismatic churches they clearly detest. They are shamelessly hypocritical and worship MacArthur just like many Catholics worship the pope: they regard him as infallible, they idolize him and they defend him with more passion than they defend God. I guess they just take MacArthur's "hatchet man" Phil Johnson's word for it without investigating for themselves, just as blinded Catholics take their biased priest's word for it whenever a bishop or pope is exposed. I guess the numerous times that we're told in Scripture that GOD SHOWS NO PARTIALITY has zero effect on them and they figure it's ok to show as much favoritism and partiality as they want. They are as hypocritical as the Pharisees and have even less excuse since unlike the Pharisees they have the whole canon of Scripture available (but they choose to ignore it in order to follow MEN like Augustine, Calvin and MacArthur etc etc). [PS I am no Arminian nor Hillsong devotee. I don't follow men. I just love Truth and so I love fairness i.e JUSTICE because I love God]. "He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye" (Mark 7:6-9, 13)
@@leenieledejo6849 @@leenieledejo6849 This is one of the best responses I have read, especially the bit on ignoring men and following the truth. That is me to a T too. Justin Peters was one person I had admired right up to the fateful day he posted that covert support for JM interview. Not only did it reveal his true heart but it was an exceptionally stupid thing to do if he was unsupportive of him over this matter. I unsubscribed from his ministry immediately, despite having sought his advice and got a direct response from him about what he advised about leaving my present charismatic church. One thing is for sure: none of these Calvinist pastors online will dare to post another 'submissive wife' or 'complimentarian wife' preach without either expressing what they mean, which is biblically true, or showing themselves up to be complete hypocrites and covert supporters of criminal spousal and child abuse. The only one that I think is genuine so far is Paul Washer. I hope he is not daft enough to support GCC or even hint at it. Otherwise, all of his past videos on the subject will reveal who he truly is. I don't think for one minute he actually believes GCC is in the right so hopefully there won't be any danger of him making that mistake. If he has any sense he won't even take calls or respond to any requests for his opinion on the matter, if asked. Even responding with 'no comment' would be fatal. This matter is far from over. I don't think these chauvinists realise just what a disservice they have done to Christianity. It will be nigh on impossible for any GCC supporter over or tacit to defend their witnessing of the faith against the State trying to shut them down for being Christian and justifying their attempts to do so by citing how hypocritical and unpolitically correct they are' which is how they would couch it. So any uprising against the State will be seen as arrogant not a forward march for Jesus. I tell you something else. I think God may be clearing out all of the dead wood from the church, pending his return. This is the result. There is a good reason why pastors and Elders needed to be of good character and above reproach. It was so that they could mount a defence against persecution which could be legitimate on the eyes of God and not just childish disobedience against the State. So if they were to defy state attempts to shut them down, they would be seen as personally criminal and for no good reason at all, being the Pharisees they are, as well as being supporters of criminality in others.
You've got to keep your narrative correct- Brian Houston didn't have 2 inappropriate 'relationships'- they were inappropriate INCIDENTS- big difference
Don't know what's different about this video compared to your usual, but I was getting ads every couple of minutes, far more than just about any other video I've watched on YT.
Brian Houston did talk openly about his dad in one of his books. His dad never stepped to a pulpit or ministered again. Not that I am defending Hilsong just sayin.
Frank huston had more than 1 victim. If one of these innocent children/ young people, was your child, would you think it was ok for the abused to simply not preach again. ??? I don't think so!!! NO duty of care was in this. Do your research because you do not know the full story.
@@AnnieGrace777 I'm not defending the man in no way shape or form. I just meant to say this has been out for decades and everybody knew about it. He admitted such in one of his books. It's too bad they didn't investigate bret while Frank was still alive.
Why is no one making a documentary of what these churches are preaching. You cannot preach prosperity Gospel . Scandal sells sexual immorality sells but people wake up. If you teach a man made Gospel putting yourself before God it will fall and now watch Elevation, Bethel Church and others fall down. God is a righteous God. It breaks my heart that people are manipulated by these false teachers.
@@cosmictreason2242 I have thanks plus read my bible. Its different in Europe though they have Hillsong churches in Holland and the UK its not so big as in USA and Australia.
When you describe having to understand the need for Christ, before it means anything, does 'the wages of sin is death/hell' not imply that free will tends to overpower submission to God unless the threat is big enough? Is that the underlying subtext of the gospel and humanity itself? I would like to think of a relationship with God without the threat of Hell, but it doesn't exist, does it? The threat is inherently a basis of the relationship and used as the primary motivator to not displease God? It seems the Israelites lived under a softer threat-cursing from God in this life and spiritual or physical death, but not much is made of Hell in the Old Testament. Maybe that's why, as the Old Testament describes, Israelites were not an obedient people?
Agree we need to have many elders. What about instead of having a board full of unqualified people have many elders instead. Some of the people on some boards don't even go to the church their a board off. Sometimes other "pastors" from other churches are on some boards. Some people do that because they'll get paid more for doing so.
Yes, the Biblical implication seems to me that all the men over 40 OUGHT to be exercising leadership in discipleship and teaching , as the translation “elder” implies. There’s not an excuse not to step up because you’re not an “officer”
Should a pastor and his church defend a member who physically & sexually abused his own children (and be convicted for 21 years) and only publicly rebuke the wife/mother?
@Anthony M. Exactly. But these Reformed guys act like a cult or mafia where they defend each other. It's a kind of "omertà". God is IMPARTIAL and so should we be when rebuking others and calling out sin among those professing Christ. The silence on the GCC scandal from MacArthur devotees, the lack of repentance and cover-up by GCC (and ad hominen attacks on Julie Roys who only reported documented facts) is outrageous. Phil Johnson, Macarthur's "hatchet man" even doxxed Julie Roys out of petty vengeance for her revealing Macarthur's wealth months ago - and she only did so to expose his HYPOCRISY for calling out other pastors' wealth himself. There's sooo much hypocrisy among Calvinists. Favoritism and hypocrisy are the height of ungodliness.
I watched part one… It was interesting. Get talked about how (Brian) he got inspiration from prosperity preachers right here in America like Benny Henn and Kenneth Copeland It also talked about how Brian and Carl met each other.
Seeker sensitive is a horrible misnomer. More precisely it should be called pagan sensitive. That church should be designed to please pagans rather than God should be horrifying to us all.
Yeah he who is without sin cast the first stone you hippocrits ! We are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling that includes EVERYONE!!!! I’m not without sin and neither is anyone else! Jesus Christ is Our Only Hope!!! Still loving Hillsong!!!
@@misswinnie4.8 I watched it all, and that's my point. There were 3 parts to the documentary and about one and a half of the episodes were about Carl Lentz. I know that may be interesting, but the sexual abuse thing to me is much more important.
Jesus is cleansing the temple The man made empires are toppling. There is ONLY 1 true Gospel...GOD'S Gospel. And it's not the idolatry of money, or your pastor or the idolatry of your level of faith . It is about THE LORD JESUS CHRIST ONLY. Hillsong and the word faith movement prosperity doctrine is a man made doctrine. It is a doctrine of confusion. There but for the grace of God go us.
you put "pastor" in quotes right at the beginning because none of us was fooled by these guys (hillsong). this is just unbelievers shaming other unbelievers' games
Please, sir, refer back to Titus the whole of chapter 3, specifically verses 2&3. Gossiping or spreading "juicy bits of information" does immensely more damage, not only to yourself and those that listen to the gossip, but The Churh in general. There's already enough hatred in this world, do you really want to contribute to it? Saying you're just warning or informing people does not justify. Ezekiel 34:11 "For this is what the Sovereign Lord says: 'I Myself will search for My sheep and look after them.' " Surely we should confront sin and rebuke it sharply, but you're doing neither, only sharing the latest "ooooh did you hear what so and so did?!" Just like the tabloids one is faced with while paying for something at the store.
As a Pastor..you must know who is Simon Peter is..Yes!!the Simon Peter who betrayed Jesus by denying that he/Simon Peter was indeed knowing Jesus..3 times!! So pastor..do u think Jesus hadnt already know that Simon Peter will do that when He pick him as one of His disiple????Why He/Jesus still did it?? But you know also then after that Simon Peter become one of the biggest apostle of Christianity???Im amazed with your depth of your believing..like you never know Who and How Jesus is !!!???How you can celebrate and try to use this as your gain to get more followers???your followers..apparently..bacause if you r one of Jesus followers like these pastor who u condemnt ..I dont think you will do what u do..but pray and be with them through their fall..like Jesus do with our falling...RIGHT??SAME ON YOU...
Please PRAY AND LISTEN “BEFORE” you lead others astray with idol chatter!!! God Bless you but you may not of been called to be a pastor but assumed the position yourself. 💕🕊
Are you a pastor???? Sorry,but you do not look or sound like one and I do not feel the LOVE ❤️ THE LORD SAID: Matthew 7:15-23 NKJ You Will Know Them by Their Fruits 15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them. I am praying 🙏🏽 for you to be Born Again and to Receive The HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I didn't know a pastor had to sound or look like a pastor. And love can't be felt. Respectfully, love isn't an emotion, but it's something that is commanded of us. 1 Cor. 13 says what love is like. John 15 says love one another as I have loved you. Love is a choice. Jesus said his own followers were slow to believe all that he had spoken. He rebuked them for trying to call down fire on others. Jesus wasn't always what people would call nice but He was always loving.
@@RebeccaJeffersonOAC It's in the eyes. A man of God radiates light and JOY, part of the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23). Pray for Joel because he doesn't. Too many young men are eager to become "pastors" these days but the role itself owes more to tradition than the New Testament. So go figure why there are so many scandals, men becoming "burned out" etc. It's because they are walking in disobedience. A CEO type figure is nowhere described in the NT. We are told in Romans, Colossians, Ephesians and 1 Corinthians that there is ONE head (Christ) and all of us have giftings that are equal in value. Jesus's words in Matthew 20 and the verses in 1 Corinthians 12 imply the total opposite of a "CEO/boss" man. Deacons, elders (old men) and bishops (overseers who went from house church to house church overseeing) obviously had a discreet and humbling service role, not a "lording it over others" role.
@@leenieledejo6849 I think, respectfully, you might be injecting a little subjectivity into this. Joy doesn't always mean a Christian is constantly smiling or that he only says things on the positive end, ie., things that make believers feel happy. Christian leaders are to absolutely point out false doctrine and protect their flocks as pastors from wolves. That will involve being stern and at times maybe sounding a little critical, even tho this will doubtlessly be misunderstood by others. Not sure where you're getting the CEO thing from. Is your problem Joel's personality or some of the things that Joel has said? If so, then a separation needs to be made between a person's personality and what they actually say. I think even favorite preachers will sometimes say things that you or I would not like because of a perceived personality flaw. That does not mean that what they say is unbiblical or invalid. We have to be careful of writing off people just because they don't fit into our mold of what a pastor "should" look like.
I want to Thankyou Pastor for your message". Am I really saved." I have been in these Churches that have PREACHED these wrong teachings about Gods Gospel. I have searched my heart about my own position in light of Gods principles of Holiness. I came to the understanding that you have spoken about regarding true Salvation. I Thank Almighty God for His Mercy and Grace to me. And now I realize why I have been rejected by so many Other Christians who are walking a different path .I gave My life to Our Savour Jesus Christ, after hearing a street preacher who spoke of Christ Jesus who died for sinners at Calvary. I knew I needed His forgiveness as He is A Holy God who made The way for us all to be saved by His Grace( .I was saved in 1969)Thankyou for your message and explaining what the meaning of Gods Word is saying .May God Bless You abundantly.
You are very welcome. Thank you for your encouragement. Praise God for his faithfulness in both of our lives.
SMITE THE EARTH WITH A CURSE.
Try to imagine a situation where even those who claim to believe the Bible, have a doctrine which is so incorrect, that the Lord is prepared to “SMITE THE EARTH WITH A CURSE” had the Lord not sent a Prophet to correct the errors of the people.
THAT IS EXACTLY THE SITUATION THIS AGE IS IN.
The Lord is NOT playing games, rather, He is “Deadly serious.”
Malachi 4:5 + 6.
5. Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:
6. And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and SMITE THE EARTH WITH A CURSE.
According to the Word of God that is exactly the condition that this modern Church finds itself in, we are living in the Seventh and final Church Age, the Laodicean Church Age, which according to the Word of God is “Wretched, Miserable, Poor, Blind, and Naked.” Revelation 3:17.
The Church goer, the person who claims to believe the Bible is called, “Wretched, Miserable, Poor, Blind, and Naked.” The non believer is NOT mentioned in this Scripture.
The Lord sent His Messenger (angel) to restore the original understanding of the Word of God as the Apostles knew it.
Revelation 3:14.
And unto the ANGEL (Messenger) of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God.
The letter is wrote to the Angel.
This Angel (Messenger) is the Elijah, the God sent Prophet for this day:
Matthew 17:11.
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Eljah truly shall first come, and RESTORE ALL THINGS.
“Restore all things” = Correct the inaccurate doctrine, had the Lord not sent this Prophet He would have had to “SMITE THE EARTH WITH A CURSE.”
The Lord`s chosen vessel was William Branham, to reject this Prophet is to say that God made a mistake when He sent this Prophet.
The Great Pillar of Fire descends in THIS DAY…..
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@@lesliecruttenden2241 Amen.Romans chapter 8..
The worst part of Hellsong is their influence over most all christian churches in America. Almost every church sings songs from those apostate churches: Hillsong, Bethel, Elevation, etc. Then they actually pay royalties to use their songs.
That’s correct.
Haha.. US Christianity is a joke. It cannot blame Hillsongs for anything. Frankly I doubt if the next revival will come close to the States if the church doesn't start fasting & praying for the evil that nation has wrought upon humanity these last 50 years. Abortion, pornography, homosexuality, overthrow of democracies under the guise of freedom.. millions of people killed, etc etc..... like Sodom & Gomorrah
And heaven forbid more journalists dig up the monopoly Brian/Hillsong have...
Was one of the big reasons I left the last church. Plus the women in the church “religiously” listening to Beth Moore. These are at best apostate and at worst demonic.
Not true American Christianity is responsible for Hillsong. Brian Houston was influenced by your scam artists. Pat Robertson aided their expansion in to Ukraine.
As a forme member of Hillsong I had been saying this for years and got rebuked for it. Though it is very sad it had to come.
As you were reading about the priority of stressing God's holiness first in presenting the gospel message --- God's gospel!! --- I kept thinking of Isaiah 6, where the prophet has a vision of the throne room of the HOLY, HOLY, HOLY GOD and is completely undone. He realizes that as a man of unclean lips who lives among people of unclean lips he has no business being in God's perfectly sinless presence. THEN the seraphim used the burning coal to purify Isaiah's mouth. First things first.
As for Hillsong, judgment begins with the household of God (1 Peter 4:17). Where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there'll be disorder and EVERY VILE PRACTICE (James 3:14-16). The sin and rebellion at the root of Hillsong's tree is finding out those in corrupt leadership (Numbers 32:23, Ezekiel 34:1-10, John 10:10a). The Lord knows who are his own (2 Timothy 2:19) and the wise will flee from these false, wealth and glory seeking organizations (1 Timothy 6:10, John 7:18). They're NOT churches!!
"Therefore, COME OUT FROM THEIR MIDST AND BE SEPARATE, " says the Lord, " AND DO NOT TOUCH WHAT IS UNCLEAN. And I will welcome you." (2 Corinthians 6:17).
Amen! Well said brother!
It's a relief to hear a real pastor and not a "christian" guru from prosperity churches.
Thanks for all the work preaching the TRUTH and not a self help product.
Thank you brother.
I was not wise, but God is merciful.
How many times in my life has this been true!
He is so kind to those who trust Him!
He has so often used Satan's plans for my harm to give me good things.
Glad I found your channel, Joel!
God bless!
I really appreciate this message very much.
My family and I attended a church with similar set up to Hillsong. We are in Las Vegas. Their tag line is Love Everyone Always. Sadly there are a lot of churches like that here touting the same thing. This church cares more about what the world thinks of them, more about making people who don't believe in God think it's a cool place to be and yeah maybe you will fall in love with God while you are in there. The sermons are more about pushing what the Pastor finds important than what God does in the bible. Anyone can belong and be a "member" as there is no church discipline, no following what a biblical church is, there is no shepherd to guard the gates from bad theology or false doctrine. Our first year there I knew I needed biblical teachers and started listening to John MacArthur to balance out what the physical church was teaching us. It was not until Covid that I asked the Pastor some serious questions and knew that we could not stay there any longer. Praise God we found Pastor Billy Crone and became members of his church.
Praise God that there are still some biblical teachers to be found.
May God bless your ministry.
Great teaching! Thank you for the clarifications while so many others seek to blur God's Word for their own self-serving motivations. "Grace has been 'stripped' of being amazing." 'And the reason it is 'no longer amazing' is because we no longer refer to humanity's nature as wretched.' Well said.
Thank you Joel for this timely message!
I have been experiencing what Martin Luther called “The dark night of the soul” over many months because of Hillsong’s influence over the local evangelical Church that I previously attended and one where I was an active member of.
Two years ago, as a Sunday school teacher and women’s Bible teacher, I saw what I can only describe as blatant apostasy infiltrating my church.
Unrepentant sin was lightly touched on, but seldom discussed from the pulpit as being an eternal barrier between man and a Holy God. While salvation isn’t earned, it must always include God’s requirements for living a God honoring, obedient Christian Life.
If we love God, we will obey him.
1 John 5:1-4
“Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father also loves those born of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God: when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome, 4 because everyone born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world: our faith.”
Joel, your belief that sharing the gospel BEGINS with telling people the bad news first, is spot on! Until one sees their need for a savior, how can they fully embrace, serve, and appreciate Jesus “Yeshua” - (hebrew word for salvation)?
Pastors should also tell their congregation the requirements of staying off the “lists of sins”- Colossians 3: 5-7; Galatians 5:19-21;
Ephesians 5:5-6; and Revelation 21:8.
When I read these lists of sins, they remind me to NOT take my salvation for granted; to never abuse God’s grace; and to make sure that I strive DAILY to walk worthy, of the calling, of being an authentic Christian!
Authentic Christianity means being accountable for ones’ actions; being transparent with one’s struggles; confessing our sins to one another; and building each other up in our faith!
Much of western Christianity has succumbed to the “Christian industrial complex” by using the “Hillsong model” of “big Screens; blue lights; skinny jeans; and fog machines.”
Instead of the “church” being hospitals for the spiritually sick to become well, many have turned into entertainment centers SELLING motivational talks and pagan rock concerts.
Theology is contained in lyrics and the hymnal (which use to be chosen by its adherence to spiritual “truth”) has been replaced by hypnotic back beats from professional “praise bands” that can easily deliver “strange fire” (demonic spirits).
The problem with the way people in a local church view their church is as a business. I have been on committees in our local baptist church and too many times people referred to their place of work as a model to run the church. Church is not business, it is not a franchise like Chick-Fil-A.
Just bought your book...plan to donate it to my church library after I read it.
Great idea! Thanks!
Jesus would donate it first,then read it!
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GOD will not be mocked !!!
Lots of mic drop comments in this one! I really appreciate how you focused primarily on Hillsong's false teaching instead of their leadership's moral failings. That really is the bigger problem. I think it's OK to call their music "worship music" because they do use it to worship. The question is really who/what are they worshiping. I know a lot of people who love them and their music and I'm sure they are troubled by these latest findings. I pray that the Lord will lead them to biblically sound churches with solid, bold preaching that will sanctify them and show them what it really is to be in Christ.
Amen.
Problem with hillsong worship is that it is designed to attract young people and talent from other churches. So it's not really designed to be worship. The worship is also designed to be in line with the pastors vision or the latest Christian/worldly fads. So again, it's not worship really if it is so man centred.
@@jakemelliot exactly. It's worship of man, not of God.
One of best & simple-yet thorough explanations of the gospel/salvation that I can pass along to others that I’ve heard in a while. Thank you.
Thank you!
Wow! May the Lord keep you bold, and faithful, in Jesus mighty name Amen.
BTW The Mars Hill story is about celebrity pastors and people putting their faith in the individual (Driscoll), and his toxic leadership.
I once farted in a hillsong church. Luckily no one heard because the music was so loud 😂😂😂
I love first John. “By this you will know…by this you will know…you will know” over and over again. Something like 8-9 times john writes this phrase.
That’s exactly right. Such a convicting and yet comforting book.
@@RightResponseMinistries I know! 1John is clearly intended to convict the unbeliever or the self deceived unto repentance and salvation OR encourage the genuine believer unto assurance. Thanks for writing that book. I'm gonna order one for.a couple friends of mine.
I watched the documentary & was so sad that these men have led so many astray, that is WHY WE FOLLOW Christ, the Word of God is the only truth! this is why God tells us meditate on the Word, (when) day & night, in the end even the elite will be deceived
it's sad to watch the documentary about Hillsong and how it went down. Brian Houston and the Hillsong Pastors live a lavish lifestyle while some of their followers are probably struggling and broke.
Especially considering the tyrannical lockdowns in Australia
I'm interested in your book. That whole thing about not having assurance of salvation...I've been there and it's so hard 💔💔💔 So glad God is merciful to us.
Thank you, Pastor Joel, for preaching these truths so clearly. The feminization of Jesus' church is so prevalent that it matters not where I have traveled in this country, these same bad teachings are there. The holiness of God receives but a tip of the hat, while God's love eclipses all His other attributes. May I share that at least one pastor I have sat under was eminently clear in preaching the true truth that it is from God's thrice holiness through which and from which all His other attributes emanate AND each and all of God's attributes are perfect and infinite, thus one cannot compare the magnitude of God's love to His justice or even His anger or even His hatred - lest we forget that God hates sin. Maranatha!
Very well said brother. It’s an epidemic to be sure.
I think you have got this entirely wrong. God is God because he is Holy. It is a given. Holiness isn't an attribute it is what makes God God. It's like describing a talking man as alive. Of course he is, otherwise he wouldn't be able to talk.
God's first and most important attribute is his love. Why? Because of what he did on the cross for sinners. He did not need to do this but he did it anyway and there was and can never be any such expression of love from anyone anywhere. Without that ultimate sacrifice where would we be? God's other key attribute is justice. He cannot help but be just but he can help how he expressed that ultimate act of love on the cross. God's justice is an act of love too because it is entirely fair due to his holiness which is perfection. But love isn't an act of justice only mercy, grace and punishment. To imply that love is an act of justice would suggest that Jesus had no choice but to die on the cross when he had every choice - which is why it is the ultimate sacrifice - to pay for our sins.
Feminization of "the bride of Christ". So amusing.
God hates sin because it hurts people. The wages of sin is death.. which really means that sin has consequences. God's hatred of sin isn't God being angry cause folk broke the man made rules in the Bible.
Thank you so much for this. You have said so much of what I've been thinking lately.
You’re welcome!
When it comes to non-denominational churches expanding their "brand" and building an empire with multiple campuses, Calvary Chapel was the first to do that, and they did that years before Hillsong, Life Chuch. etc. But I'm not sure that anyone questions their doctrine
Hillsong became a denomination. Every Christian denomination has thousands of Churches. Brian Houston was influenced by American preachers.
@@darrenwithers3628 When exactly did Hillsong leave the Assemblies of God and become its own denomination?
When Brian’s father (Frank) got public exposure for being a pedophile. Brian changed the Assembly of God Church, where he was the lead pastor to “Hillsong”, (the name of the street where the Church building was located).
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Video ^ about Frank’s victims
Thank you for speaking the TRUTH of the shack!!!!!
You’re welcome.
Thank you so very much!
The exposition on God is love in contrast to God is holy, holy, holy...AMEN bro! That'll preach, thank you for sharing. Blessed by this.
Thanks!!
Many who try to emphasize that God is love are really saying Love is God and they will define love. On the contrary if God is love then it is His being that defines love not us. The relationship of the members of the godhead is definitive of love not our whims of sentiment.
I watched the series. I cannot tell you how disturbed it made me….
RE: Christianity Today.... you're spot on!
"Did you ever read 'The Shack?' If you haven't, DON'T!" Hahahaha. Amen to that! In all seriousness; thank you for this broadcast and for your faithfulness to Our Lord and His Gospel. Soli Deo Gloria!
I have just bought your book today. Why? Because you talked about it extensively in this clip. Please do more of this for your other books. The readers need this kind of content, especially in today’s information drowned world.
Thanks!
I've experienced the Holiness & Glory of God... Have you?
Thank you so much for what you do. Praying that God continues to strengthen and sustain you and your family to fight the good fight. God bless you.
Thank you very much for your prayers.
This has been a blessing!
This happened on a global scale in the Roman Catholic Church. These American "Mega Churches" are a tiny reflection. Pray for these leaders to enjoy the gift of repentance.
You are correct.
So many rightfully exposed the Catholic Church - now looks what happened to them. Wolves in sheep’s clothes.
Just finished watching the documentary on Hillsong 'A Megachurch Exposed' I must say i'd heard warnings about Hillsong but it wasn't until i watched this documentary that laid it out perfectly why they should be avoided at all costs! The creators of the expose did a magnificent job at pointing out the falsehoods of this 'movement' without adding any antichristian bias against Christianity or the Church as so many secular documentaries that deal with Christianity often do. Pity those who were sucked into their cultish ways but, it seems, all to many of them lack biblical discernment which we must exercise at ALL times with ALL things/personalities/movements, etc. we open our minds to! If you haven't seen the documentary, i wholly & emphatically suggest you do!
My wife and I attend and sing in the choir of St Andrew's Chapel founded by RC Sproul
The sound cut out for me at around 29:20.
Sorry about that.
It’s only the surface… there going down for more than this…
Can you please define what you mean by "faithful" towards the end of the video? "Remain faithful"
Great explanation, thanks very much Joel. God bless 🙏
Thank you!
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Dear Pastor - Just a “housekeeping” comment: It would be nice to see you, the preachers whole face including mouth 👄 when speaking. (Same with other of your videos in other circumstances ie placement of the microphone 🎙) Therefore, please reveal your whole face, instead of having a “relationship” with the microphone 🎤……
Truth is if you are not living the word, teaching the word you are leading your followers into sin.
Yep.
Hi, believer here, just have a question about Jesus and his return. I know Jesus is the perfect sacrifice for all sin, but why did he have to leave? Why couldn't his death and resurrection AT THE TIME just stop the madness? Why does allllllll this time HAVE to pass???? Just a question that I never thought about until just now.
The son ascended as fully man so that man could be in the presence of Holy God. He hasn't left but lives in the temple of His saints. Your question is a good one and I would suggest reading Romans 8. He does all things for the good of those who love Him. What we perceive as "Madness" is part of Gods perfect plan. We don't see the ripple effects of what God is doing five hundred years in the future.
God’s plan involves showing how his way is better through his chosen people. The church is a foretaste of eternal glory and a contrast to the world, meant to act as a voice to their conscience and a restraint against their evil, and do the works of God
it's actually really helpful to hear what the people that filled out these questionnaires want. you can almost be certain it's wrong
Thank you brother
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Many protestant churches are based on ego. Eg Luther had valid reasons to call the chuch to account. However, his next step required humility to submit questions to the church that needed resolution rather than he setting up another interpretation of God's word. The mission of Jesus is to bring the good news to humanity and reconcile creation to God the Father. The counter reformation addressed the scandals of the Catholic Church; the church is a community of saints and sinners. Humanity is fallen because of the original sin of pride; pride is an obvious factor in hillsong's counterfeit religion.
Pastor Joel, I confess: I laughed out loud at the notion of 'splashing around in a pool of affection and love' 😆
Preach, Pastor Webbon, Preach!!!!!!
Have you struggled with anxiety as a direct result of confrontation, and if so how do you deal with that biblically?
Yes. I try to not listen to my heart (emotions), but preach to my heart. I remind myself that the most men can do is destroy the body, but God has the power to both destroy the body and cast the soul into hell. The antidote to the fear of man is the fear of God.
I’ve wondered for myself if that means that I shouldn’t be speaking the truth because of the emotional aftermath. I just wonder what the sun could be on my part for dealing with that. In your experience have you found it easier over time to rejoice in the Lord amidst those situations? Appreciate you commenting back!
Sin*not sun
@@masontenpenny407 it gets easier.
Ultimately you can’t let unbelievers be the ones to tell you whether you’re doing it right or not, because they’re opposed to your evangelism by default and WANT to deter you from continuing. Have close Christian friends who can vouch for your character and affirm whether or not your conduct is appropriate. Don’t let people who don’t know you in private have any influence over how you see yourself, Mason. Been there done that. Take my tip. Hopefully one or two godly couples in your church are invested in discipling you and inviting you over to dinner and fellowship regularly
Just another reason why I'm glad and blessed to be in a Reformed Presbyterian Church, as we sing only Psalms, and that only a cappella. While I personally wouldn't mind including some of the greater ancient hymns, that does leave the door open in latter years for someone to then say "well then why can't we introduce this (crappy) song?" We never have to wonder if we're singing that which is Biblically compatible and pleasing to God or not. They are afterall, the songs God wrote through men.
I’ve never understood not having instruments in church
I don’t think we can avoid becoming unbiblical by affirming unbiblical traditions, unfortunately. I understand the argument you’re making, but their bad song theology comes from their bad theology in general.
@@Dulcimertunes I don't actually subscribe to that position. I don't have a problem with musical instruments in worship, so long as they're tastefully, and appropriately done. They should be there to support the singing, not to stand by themselves, and most certainly not to overpower the singing. However, a capella singing with harmonies is very beautiful, and stirring. But another reason why no instruments is preferable (at least for me) is because once you allow for any instrument, unless that denomination has a hard and fast rule that says "only these instruments are allowed" then there's no way from preventing all sorts of ruckus. At a previous church we attended, they had someone playing bongos ... during a traditional old-style Hymn with the German national anthem as the tune. Absolutely horrid. And then who's to stop the drum kit and the electric guitars and bass and who knows what else? I mean I do enjoy rock-n-roll -- I sing it a lot, but it doesn't belong in a worship service ... at least not in a worship service to the one true God.
@@cosmictreason2242 I agree with you that the theology of these churches is already deeply flawed, which is why their music is par for the course. However, I'm not sure of what it is that you're saying otherwise. Are you suggesting that singing Psalms exclusively is unbiblical? Are you suggesting that singing a cappella exclusively is unbiblical? I'll grant you that it's not set forth as a mandate, but to say it's unbiblical is pretty close to saying it's antibiblical.
One cannot have unbiblical Psalms, unless they're interpreting them in an erroneous manner, as the Psalms are the songs that God wrote through men. I would dare say that the vast majority of churches today sing few, if any, Psalms at all. As well, more and more churches are so filled with instrumentation that it's difficult-to-impossible to hear the congregation singing over the amped microphones and instruments.
Just to let you know, I don't personally subscribe to strict and exclusive Psalmody, even though I'm a member (an a deacon) in a denomination that practices such. However, I never have to worry that the song I'm singing might not be Biblical. There are plenty of "great hymns of the faith" that are utter rubbish, and there are possibly some decent modern songs, even if the tune is crappy and sounds like a cereal commercial.
God is the author and finisher of our faith the good work He started in us he will finish it according to this word Hillsong has good ending along with its Pastors whom God saw before the world was formed standing before him holy and without blame.
This is the second video I've seen of yours where your audio is really low--probably an issue with OBS or whatever video capture program you're using. Make sure your audio input settings are correct.
There's also a chance that your OBS is drawing on your laptop's mic rather than the mic you are speaking into--because you're picking up more of an echo than you should be.
Pretty clear that the mic you see is the one that is capturing his voice
Actually this one was recorded on my phone. Mic wasn’t plugged in because I did it live and don’t know how to use the mic for live video from my phone. I’ll have to figure something out for live video in the future.
No problems with ours
Anyone else lose the sound of the video at the 29 minute mark?
Is it also crucifying Christ again because his Cross has been sidelined or am i misunderstanding ...
You may be interested in Pastor Bryan Wolfmueller’s book ‘Has American Christianity Fsiled?’
Matthew 4:11
Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
“ A jealous and avenging God IS The Lord The Lord IS avenging and wrathful” Nahum 1:2 so God IS more then just one of His divine attributes.
I've watched the entire Discovery+ doc. There are also Christians in the video, such as the Kiev pastors and the former hillsong volunteers and staff. But there are also people in the video who are "not so innocent" such as Karim Ranin.
There were also Christians offset researching and assisting journalists. It deliberately did not go down theological roads because the world does not know or care about theology. Now that this is getting pastors finally talking, there may be interest in a few more series that may go a bit more theological.
It's prophecy. Many fake churches and profits will go down.
Jesus isn't a religion. It's not about going to church. It's about having a relationship with Jesus. Giving him your sins and asking for forgiveness. That's all he wants from us. He gave his life so we may live. Get to know him. I've known him all my life. I feel him. I've heard him and when I was nine I saw him in a vision.
We are nearing the end of this Age of Grace. All truly saved will rapture out. Then God will clean the earth of sinners and sin through his wrath. Then Jesus will come back to the earth and rule in his kingdom for 1000 years. We believers will be in heaven for eternity.
When the news broke about hillsong it was not a surprise to anyone who has been invovled in any way which I as only in a very minor way when ironically hillsong took over two of the churches I attended, when it happened a second time having extracted myself once I just thought here we go again, gave them the benefit of the doubt but when I questioned the 'pastor' I use that term very loosely when referring to any of the hillsong leadership he falt out denied they were part of hillsone - interesting as they have all the branding on everything that comes out of that church and the have to send report to hillsong after every 'experience' every event, and they are not even allowed to allow anyone to 'preach' or take any leadership role (many were eased out following the take over) if they have not been to hillsong bollege or been indoctrinated by hillsong in some way............
So I have long since realised this is a house of cards which now one or two of the strategically place cards have been taken out it will fall and the fall out will affect anyone tainted by association and/or running a similar scam.
This I have come to realise is/was a corporate machine, a cult, a pyramid scheme, a franchise it is not now and in fact never was a church for saving souls but a money making for those 'leaders and pastors' willing to follow the rules a high flying wealthy lifestyle - the fact that most of them - and I am not being unkind or mean but they were all too often broken, not especially gifted or intelligent just easy to manipulate and gullible.
Sadly this will take a long time for the majority of them to recover from I only hope they do actually have a core of faith so the lord can help them because hillsong will simply throw them all under the bus then drive it over them
Interesting that you say more scandals will come along. It seems like we are already living in a day that was predicted in Luke 12:2-3, when Jesus said "what is whispered behind closed doors will be shouted from the rooftops". And all this was only made possible through the new technology and mass media we have today
I hope then that you are just as aggrieved about GCC's handling of the Grays case.
@B G That'll be the day! The GCC/John MacArthur scandal as recently reported on Julie Roys's website (based on actual trial records and the conviction of the child abuser they defended i.e David Gray) is one of the most horrendous I have ever read and yet you won't see any of these Reformed Guys like this one, Justin Peters, Colin Miller etc even mention it.
The biggest MacArthur devotee/idolater Tim Hurd of BTWN even twisted some facts and ignored others to DEFEND MacArthur!
It's ironic how they are always eager to report on any whiff of scandal in the charismatic churches they clearly detest.
They are shamelessly hypocritical and worship MacArthur just like many Catholics worship the pope: they regard him as infallible, they idolize him and they defend him with more passion than they defend God.
I guess they just take MacArthur's "hatchet man" Phil Johnson's word for it without investigating for themselves, just as blinded Catholics take their biased priest's word for it whenever a bishop or pope is exposed.
I guess the numerous times that we're told in Scripture that GOD SHOWS NO PARTIALITY has zero effect on them and they figure it's ok to show as much favoritism and partiality as they want.
They are as hypocritical as the Pharisees and have even less excuse since unlike the Pharisees they have the whole canon of Scripture available (but they choose to ignore it in order to follow MEN like Augustine, Calvin and MacArthur etc etc).
[PS I am no Arminian nor Hillsong devotee. I don't follow men. I just love Truth and so I love fairness i.e JUSTICE because I love God].
"He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye" (Mark 7:6-9, 13)
@@leenieledejo6849 @@leenieledejo6849 This is one of the best responses I have read, especially the bit on ignoring men and following the truth. That is me to a T too. Justin Peters was one person I had admired right up to the fateful day he posted that covert support for JM interview. Not only did it reveal his true heart but it was an exceptionally stupid thing to do if he was unsupportive of him over this matter. I unsubscribed from his ministry immediately, despite having sought his advice and got a direct response from him about what he advised about leaving my present charismatic church.
One thing is for sure: none of these Calvinist pastors online will dare to post another 'submissive wife' or 'complimentarian wife' preach without either expressing what they mean, which is biblically true, or showing themselves up to be complete hypocrites and covert supporters of criminal spousal and child abuse.
The only one that I think is genuine so far is Paul Washer. I hope he is not daft enough to support GCC or even hint at it. Otherwise, all of his past videos on the subject will reveal who he truly is. I don't think for one minute he actually believes GCC is in the right so hopefully there won't be any danger of him making that mistake. If he has any sense he won't even take calls or respond to any requests for his opinion on the matter, if asked. Even responding with 'no comment' would be fatal. This matter is far from over.
I don't think these chauvinists realise just what a disservice they have done to Christianity. It will be nigh on impossible for any GCC supporter over or tacit to defend their witnessing of the faith against the State trying to shut them down for being Christian and justifying their attempts to do so by citing how hypocritical and unpolitically correct they are' which is how they would couch it. So any uprising against the State will be seen as arrogant not a forward march for Jesus.
I tell you something else. I think God may be clearing out all of the dead wood from the church, pending his return. This is the result. There is a good reason why pastors and Elders needed to be of good character and above reproach. It was so that they could mount a defence against persecution which could be legitimate on the eyes of God and not just childish disobedience against the State. So if they were to defy state attempts to shut them down, they would be seen as personally criminal and for no good reason at all, being the Pharisees they are, as well as being supporters of criminality in others.
You are being used by the enemy to attack the church
You've got to keep your narrative correct- Brian Houston didn't have 2 inappropriate 'relationships'- they were inappropriate INCIDENTS- big difference
Wow so going against The Bride and Bridgegroom
Don't know what's different about this video compared to your usual, but I was getting ads every couple of minutes, far more than just about any other video I've watched on YT.
Probably because it was live.
@@RightResponseMinistries Ah. Gotcha. Thanks for getting back to me.
Brian Houston did talk openly about his dad in one of his books. His dad never stepped to a pulpit or ministered again. Not that I am defending Hilsong just sayin.
Frank huston had more than 1 victim.
If one of these innocent children/ young people, was your child, would you think it was ok for the abused to simply not preach again. ???
I don't think so!!!
NO duty of care was in this.
Do your research because you do not know the full story.
@@AnnieGrace777
I'm not defending the man in no way shape or form. I just meant to say this has been out for decades and everybody knew about it. He admitted such in one of his books. It's too bad they didn't investigate bret while Frank was still alive.
Actually, he was moved to another church ....
Is the last studio session with Ad and Jon dropping today?
Yes!
I can't hear you even though my volume button is on fully. Or maybe my ears need clearing out!
Why is no one making a documentary of what these churches are preaching. You cannot preach prosperity Gospel . Scandal sells sexual immorality sells but people wake up. If you teach a man made Gospel putting yourself before God it will fall and now watch Elevation, Bethel Church and others fall down. God is a righteous God. It breaks my heart that people are manipulated by these false teachers.
Look up American Gospel
@@cosmictreason2242 I have thanks plus read my bible. Its different in Europe though they have Hillsong churches in Holland and the UK its not so big as in USA and Australia.
When you describe having to understand the need for Christ, before it means anything, does 'the wages of sin is death/hell' not imply that free will tends to overpower submission to God unless the threat is big enough? Is that the underlying subtext of the gospel and humanity itself?
I would like to think of a relationship with God without the threat of Hell, but it doesn't exist, does it? The threat is inherently a basis of the relationship and used as the primary motivator to not displease God? It seems the Israelites lived under a softer threat-cursing from God in this life and spiritual or physical death, but not much is made of Hell in the Old Testament. Maybe that's why, as the Old Testament describes, Israelites were not an obedient people?
Agree we need to have many elders. What about instead of having a board full of unqualified people have many elders instead. Some of the people on some boards don't even go to the church their a board off. Sometimes other "pastors" from other churches are on some boards. Some people do that because they'll get paid more for doing
so.
Yes, the Biblical implication seems to me that all the men over 40 OUGHT to be exercising leadership in discipleship and teaching , as the translation “elder” implies. There’s not an excuse not to step up because you’re not an “officer”
Isn’t God’s love apart of his Holiness? Can we truly understand the love of God without his holiness?
No!!
Should a pastor and his church defend a member who physically & sexually abused his own children (and be convicted for 21 years) and only publicly rebuke the wife/mother?
Precisely. Abuse is going on in any kind of mega-church. GCC has a toxic culture, from what I can tell.
@Anthony M. Exactly. But these Reformed guys act like a cult or mafia where they defend each other. It's a kind of "omertà".
God is IMPARTIAL and so should we be when rebuking others and calling out sin among those professing Christ.
The silence on the GCC scandal from MacArthur devotees, the lack of repentance and cover-up by GCC (and ad hominen attacks on Julie Roys who only reported documented facts) is outrageous.
Phil Johnson, Macarthur's "hatchet man" even doxxed Julie Roys out of petty vengeance for her revealing Macarthur's wealth months ago - and she only did so to expose his HYPOCRISY for calling out other pastors' wealth himself.
There's sooo much hypocrisy among Calvinists.
Favoritism and hypocrisy are the height of ungodliness.
@@leenieledejo6849 the calvinist camps get real quiet when its one of their own...reminds me of catholics.
I think you have the timeline pretty wrong. Jon Harris of the Conversations That Matter podcast has covered this in detail.
You’re talking about Grace Community Church and the answer is NO!
I watched part one… It was interesting. Get talked about how (Brian) he got inspiration from prosperity preachers right here in America like Benny Henn and Kenneth Copeland
It also talked about how Brian and Carl met each other.
Seeker sensitive is a horrible misnomer. More precisely it should be called pagan sensitive. That church should be designed to please pagans rather than God should be horrifying to us all.
Are you reformed or (Calvinist)?
Yes.
Yep, church franchises. 😒
This was a really good synopsis of the overarching and over focus on “Love”, in the pop culture church today! Thank you for the content! 🙏🏽♥️
The ads...
I guess when I do live videos, TH-cam puts way more ads in.
@@RightResponseMinistries TH-cam gonna TH-cam. Still enjoy your content, so keep it coming.
Yeah he who is without sin cast the first stone you hippocrits ! We are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling that includes EVERYONE!!!! I’m not without sin and neither is anyone else! Jesus Christ is Our Only Hope!!! Still loving Hillsong!!!
Foolish
The documentary was okay, but they spent more time talking about Carl lentz than the real sexual abuse scandal at the home church in Australia.
Did you miss part 3?
@@misswinnie4.8 I watched it all, and that's my point. There were 3 parts to the documentary and about one and a half of the episodes were about Carl Lentz. I know that may be interesting, but the sexual abuse thing to me is much more important.
they look more like the world, than the bride
For me, Mark Driscoll's views and teaching was too Biblical to be fit and politically correct for the present society. That's why he "had to go"
I definitely think that was a big part of it.
@@RightResponseMinistries On the other hand, his language and way of speaking in some of his sermons was harsh at times.
Good article recommendation, Character is King on Tim Challies blog
There all going to fall soon enough
Jesus is cleansing the temple
The man made empires are toppling.
There is ONLY 1 true Gospel...GOD'S Gospel.
And it's not the idolatry of money, or your pastor or the idolatry of your level of faith .
It is about THE LORD JESUS CHRIST ONLY.
Hillsong and the word faith movement prosperity doctrine is a man made doctrine.
It is a doctrine of confusion.
There but for the grace of God go us.
Amen.
I think Bethel is next. I've seen some red flags from their staff's spouse and a worship leader. It'll likely be worse than Hillsong.
There is now an Australian Jesus and an American Jesus!
It's still OK to send your money to both!
seeker sensitive churches , yes awful
you put "pastor" in quotes right at the beginning because none of us was fooled by these guys (hillsong). this is just unbelievers shaming other unbelievers' games
Please, sir, refer back to Titus the whole of chapter 3, specifically verses 2&3. Gossiping or spreading "juicy bits of information" does immensely more damage, not only to yourself and those that listen to the gossip, but The Churh in general. There's already enough hatred in this world, do you really want to contribute to it? Saying you're just warning or informing people does not justify.
Ezekiel 34:11 "For this is what the Sovereign Lord says: 'I Myself will search for My sheep and look after them.' " Surely we should confront sin and rebuke it sharply, but you're doing neither, only sharing the latest "ooooh did you hear what so and so did?!" Just like the tabloids one is faced with while paying for something at the store.
Thank you James! I agree...
🙏🏿🙏🏿
You will meet the president of Israel and give him a small gift.
Stop perpetuating false prophecies, it is blasphemy
As a Pastor..you must know who is Simon Peter is..Yes!!the Simon Peter who betrayed Jesus by denying that he/Simon Peter was indeed knowing Jesus..3 times!! So pastor..do u think Jesus hadnt already know that Simon Peter will do that when He pick him as one of His disiple????Why He/Jesus still did it?? But you know also then after that Simon Peter become one of the biggest apostle of Christianity???Im amazed with your depth of your believing..like you never know Who and How Jesus is !!!???How you can celebrate and try to use this as your gain to get more followers???your followers..apparently..bacause if you r one of Jesus followers like these pastor who u condemnt ..I dont think you will do what u do..but pray and be with them through their fall..like Jesus do with our falling...RIGHT??SAME ON YOU...
The testimony of Peter’s denial and restoration is certainly biblical. But the Bible also commands us to call out false teachers.
Please PRAY AND LISTEN “BEFORE” you lead others astray with idol chatter!!! God Bless you but you may not of been called to be a pastor but assumed the position yourself. 💕🕊
God hates a lying tongue
Modern day pharasie!!
Ugh
Are you a pastor???? Sorry,but you do not look or sound like one and I do not feel the LOVE ❤️ THE LORD SAID: Matthew 7:15-23 NKJ
You Will Know Them by Their Fruits
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them. I am praying 🙏🏽 for you to be Born Again and to Receive The HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I didn't know a pastor had to sound or look like a pastor. And love can't be felt. Respectfully, love isn't an emotion, but it's something that is commanded of us. 1 Cor. 13 says what love is like. John 15 says love one another as I have loved you. Love is a choice. Jesus said his own followers were slow to believe all that he had spoken. He rebuked them for trying to call down fire on others. Jesus wasn't always what people would call nice but He was always loving.
@@RebeccaJeffersonOAC It's in the eyes. A man of God radiates light and JOY, part of the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23).
Pray for Joel because he doesn't.
Too many young men are eager to become "pastors" these days but the role itself owes more to tradition than the New Testament.
So go figure why there are so many scandals, men becoming "burned out" etc.
It's because they are walking in disobedience.
A CEO type figure is nowhere described in the NT.
We are told in Romans, Colossians, Ephesians and 1 Corinthians that there is ONE head (Christ) and all of us have giftings that are equal in value.
Jesus's words in Matthew 20 and the verses in 1 Corinthians 12 imply the total opposite of a "CEO/boss" man.
Deacons, elders (old men) and bishops (overseers who went from house church to house church overseeing) obviously had a discreet and humbling service role, not a "lording it over others" role.
@@leenieledejo6849 I think, respectfully, you might be injecting a little subjectivity into this. Joy doesn't always mean a Christian is constantly smiling or that he only says things on the positive end, ie., things that make believers feel happy. Christian leaders are to absolutely point out false doctrine and protect their flocks as pastors from wolves. That will involve being stern and at times maybe sounding a little critical, even tho this will doubtlessly be misunderstood by others. Not sure where you're getting the CEO thing from. Is your problem Joel's personality or some of the things that Joel has said? If so, then a separation needs to be made between a person's personality and what they actually say. I think even favorite preachers will sometimes say things that you or I would not like because of a perceived personality flaw. That does not mean that what they say is unbiblical or invalid. We have to be careful of writing off people just because they don't fit into our mold of what a pastor "should" look like.
Jealous like the royal family was toward beautiful princess Diana