One of the top competitive players in the world; basically a phD in a lot of competitive modern formats; quite literally a professional MTG player that both creates content and wins thousand-dollar tournaments; still plays into a counter praying "please resolve please resolve please resolve" lmao Never change Brian
Round 1 shows just how much value rescam shell is vs the rest of the meta. Even with all of the positive exchanges, the top of their deck is often their best card
This banlist scheduling experiment has been a complete disaster across every fetchland format. I am appalled they’ve stuck to such an awful date structure as long as they have and look forward to much needed adjustments
The issue is that grief didn't come out of nowhere, it was known to be a problem card in the last B&R announcement and the legacy advisor said to ban Grief, but they didn't So now WotC is living with the consequences of not doing the thing they should have done months ago. If it doesn't get banned in next announcement then i think it would be no exaggeration that legacy would enter an existential crisis.
@@jakehr3 Legacy has entered and left (and has always been in) an existential crisis depending on who you talk to in what year. For some reason, people still play legacy.
@@grandarchon6969 yes & no. I think some have been concerned in the past about certain decks, or WotC support via tournaments, but this feels different. I've been following legacy since like 2012 or so and I can't remember a time when it was dominated by a single deck quite like this. You could argue delver, death's shadow, or murktide were all on that level as well, but even they all never got to the prelevance that re-scaminator has gotten to. I think of B&R doesn't ban grief, then you will see legacy leagues and paper events really drop in player count by quite a bit.
Rules Question: At the 19:50 mark where you spell snare the opponent, aren't they obligated by the rules of Magic and human morality to concede on the spot? I'll hang up and listen.
This was genuinely one of my favourite recent videos of yours. Usually I'm a big fan of the weird fun ideas, but it was really nice to see a deck that's just solidly built. Really cool stuff! Especially seeing you dismantle that scam pilot hehe
DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THE MATCH specifically watching Flare of Denial as if it were instead Disrupting Shoal (with timestamps!). I am not saying any of the plays below are correct. I am only pointing out what would have been possible with Shoal instead. ROUND1 - [7:11] If Flare were Disrupting Shoal, you could have Flare pitch Snapcaster mage on Animate Dead and kept Coatl. I think Snapcaster in hand is more powerful in that spot, though. - In that same game, though, turn 1 not Ponder could have clipped the Reanimate on Grief (or forced them to take the cantrip). ROUND2 - [24:17] You could have Disrupting Shoal pitch Force of Will to Counter Yorion. Saves a life. - [24:50] Snap+Push would have been the only play if Flares were Shoals even if you hadn't tapped for Frog. Would have needed 5 mana to hard cast. - [25:47] Could have Shoal pitched Snapcaster Mage instead of Snap+Spell Snare. -[49:38] In the final moments of the game with them at 5 and you at 9, you had Harbinger and a bunch of CMC1. Could have held Harbinger to counter a 3-drop if the game went on for longer (Flickerwisp, Skyclave, etc.) Round3 - [50:49] Could have pitched Brainstorm to Shoal to counter DRC. Don't think you would have even Forced there, though. - [51:25] Could have also pitched Brainstorm to Shoal to counter NetherGoyf. You had Force here and didn't use it, so you probably would not have done this either. The big thing to note is that you had the ability to counter things that cost 1 and 2 with Shoal for the opening, regardless of which thing to counter. -[52:59] You had just played a Frog with Force, Shoal, Brainstorm, and IceFang in hand. Would have been able to Shoal+ IceFang to keep frog alive with Force backup. Instead you had to Force pitch Flare and lost the counter war and the Frog. If keeping Frogs alive defines the format moving forward, a counter spell that forces you to sacrifice that Frog is not good. Cards in hand is a better and free resource to use (as with Force Of Will/Vigor). -[55:07] Had the Flare been a Shoal, you could have Shoal pitch Brainstorm to counter Fatal Push on your only Coatl. Though you were pretty behind by this point anyway. Your option because of Flare was to eat the Push on your only dude, or sac that dude to counter the push...hmm...this Flare card is not good! - [59:12] "We are once again seeing I'm not able to cast my spells because my [basic] lands don't tap for [the right colors] of mana." --> Flare of Denial forces you to tap the mana you don't have to deploy threats you need to stay alive and then sacrifice those threats you can't afford to lose. It sets you back mana in your tempo deck trying to cheat on mana for speed. ROUND4 -[1:02:11] After sticking the Spellbomb, could have Shoal pitching Baleful Strix to counter Dauthi for the 1-2-punch. Though they did have 6 cards in hand at that point. You did draw the Push and they did have the Daze. Though you would have had 1 mana up because Spellbomb was played on turn two (two lands). - [1:06:43] Spell Snare plus Shoal against reanimator means you have both Reanimate spells in check. Snare the animate dead or pitch it to Shoal for Reanimate. ROUND 5 - never drew it THOUGHTS - Unless you have that critical mass of creatures, Force of Will is still the best free counterspell. Flare of Denial is really only good when there are a lot of 1-drops in your deck. At least 7-10. And at least 21 creatures. You had 15 here. - Lórien Revealed costs 5, the same as Force of Will. Shoal plus Lórien Revealed counters a Force. Food for thought. - Spell Snare plus Shoal is a great combo against aggro decks early game (of course assuming you have maxed out Force of Will because Force+snare is an even better combo, though Shoal as Cancel mana still counters CMC=1 stuff.) - Playing with Disrupting Shoal means looking at the format and asking what you afraid of and what CMC are those things. Then constructing the deck to usually have those CMC. It's not hard to do. People just don't have experience using it because usually crazy people play it (like Greg Hatch or Jordan Boisvert). But they're not wrong!
i feel like flare of denial might be better as a sideboard card. kind of like how people have a couple force of negations in the side for spell/combo heavy matchups as additional forces, but for blue creature heavy decks? idk they kind of have the same niche, but force of negation is way easier to work with.
Round 2 is such a fantastic example of what happens when you lower the power level of the format just 1 iota. Get grief outta here already. Round 2 of this was just so fucking great and that deck doesn't even get to exist in a meta where grief-scam-reanimator is just so powerful and doesn't even have any tangible weaknesses.
Ya know....that Greg Hatch Mono Blue Martyr with Disrupting Shoal and Sky Husaar...now that's a Flare of Denial deck! Half the creatures sac themselves anyway (Cursecatcher, Judge's Familiar...)
I bet the same people who don't have a problem with Grief also cried when Splinter Twin was banned in modern. Playing modern and getting into a match vs. Splinter Twin circa 2015 was a goddamn nightmare and some of the least fun I've had playing magic ever.
I saw the title and thought it was going to be a triple flare deck flare of denial, cultivation, and malice Was suddenly slightly upset when it was only denial Still worth
Question about MTGO: When you Surgical Extraction who plays Brainstorm under Leovold, it reveals their library. Did it sort the cards for you? Do you have any way of knowing which two cards they topped?
my understanding of "dead on board" is that, using only onboard information and maybe private information available to the player in question, they will be dead. I see bosh sometimes saying it in reference to situations where he is presenting lethal, but it is _not_ known by the opponent (e.g. bosh has a snapcaster in hand that he can flash in for 2 more damage that is needed). wondering if this is just a dialect type of deal where we just use the words differently or what
I do not think it’s incorrect to say dead on board when we know they have no outs. The phrase can refer to either player’s perspective as determined by context.
@@mopanda81 actually funny enough the next day (maybe it was 2 days, it was soon after this one) bosh made this same "dead on board" comment and then corrected himself in saying it wasn't actually on board
What are your thoughts on a single Zagoth Triome? Seems better than the surveil 1 off the tapped surveil lands, and makes any basic cast all your 2-drops since you're only running color pairs
Do you think a March From Velis Vel combo deck could work in Legacy? I've brewed a $30 Budget Vintage deck that uses March From Velis to turn Gates into Pashalik Mons. They all die and mass ping the opponent to death.
@@mopanda81I'll be trying it out myself in $30 Budget Vintage, but I was curious whether the deck might work in a less budget constrained format (which I have no desire to invest in)
Damn i was happy to watch until you got griefd, now that it's banned i will not watch anything with it. Gives me ptsd. I'll let the video roll on mute on the background tho, so you get more engagement on yt.
93 minute video means we are playing the right kind of deck
Lol, fair enough, especially for bosh
Hell yeah
200IQ play of sacrificing frog to flare to counter removal targeting frog
🔥🔥🔥
That'll show 'em
One of the top competitive players in the world; basically a phD in a lot of competitive modern formats; quite literally a professional MTG player that both creates content and wins thousand-dollar tournaments; still plays into a counter praying "please resolve please resolve please resolve" lmao
Never change Brian
Round 1 shows just how much value rescam shell is vs the rest of the meta. Even with all of the positive exchanges, the top of their deck is often their best card
This banlist scheduling experiment has been a complete disaster across every fetchland format. I am appalled they’ve stuck to such an awful date structure as long as they have and look forward to much needed adjustments
Pioneer is aledgedly also in a bad shape.
@@farpasmasterfarpador9092 it's not nearly as bad as modern and legacy but it is incredibly stale, basically being a 3 deck format
The issue is that grief didn't come out of nowhere, it was known to be a problem card in the last B&R announcement and the legacy advisor said to ban Grief, but they didn't
So now WotC is living with the consequences of not doing the thing they should have done months ago.
If it doesn't get banned in next announcement then i think it would be no exaggeration that legacy would enter an existential crisis.
@@jakehr3 Legacy has entered and left (and has always been in) an existential crisis depending on who you talk to in what year. For some reason, people still play legacy.
@@grandarchon6969 yes & no. I think some have been concerned in the past about certain decks, or WotC support via tournaments, but this feels different. I've been following legacy since like 2012 or so and I can't remember a time when it was dominated by a single deck quite like this. You could argue delver, death's shadow, or murktide were all on that level as well, but even they all never got to the prelevance that re-scaminator has gotten to.
I think of B&R doesn't ban grief, then you will see legacy leagues and paper events really drop in player count by quite a bit.
oh my god my favorite deck style of all time was posted and i missed the bosh pack posting anyway FROG PACK SULTAI IF YOU GOT EM
I just got back into Legacy after a long hiatus. Been learning a lot from your videos! Thank you!
Rules Question: At the 19:50 mark where you spell snare the opponent, aren't they obligated by the rules of Magic and human morality to concede on the spot? I'll hang up and listen.
of a 1-of spell snare 100%
They have to stand up and applaud. Conceding is optional.
This was genuinely one of my favourite recent videos of yours. Usually I'm a big fan of the weird fun ideas, but it was really nice to see a deck that's just solidly built. Really cool stuff! Especially seeing you dismantle that scam pilot hehe
Your excitement over Spell Snare is delightful.
Round 2 was the modt enjoyable legacy game i have seen in quite a while.
Lol, "help me get them to 9 mountains in play." quote of the month.
Remember that Phelia flickers reset flipwalkers into creatures.
In case you weren’t aware, there is a little “(x)” icon on top of “e” in “make” on your sponser splash image in the intro. 0:27
Man that spell snare moment vs Phelia at game two was so hype 🎉🎉🎉
Kinda shocked Baleful Strix was NOT in MH3😅😅
Free the strix 📣
Goodnight bosh gang, love me some bedtime frog flare
The evoke elementals should have said when it enters the battlefield if you cast it then do x.
evoking a creature counts as casting it
@nebDDa I'm aware, but it would stop pitch cast + reanimate turn one for a blow out.
That would’ve made them much more balanced
Oh you sweet summer child who was not around during the glory days of Team America. 1:13:30
1:13:30 really love when he just digs in on an opponents misplay
I have a grand time when it happens specially because it's rare.
DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THE MATCH specifically watching Flare of Denial as if it were instead Disrupting Shoal (with timestamps!). I am not saying any of the plays below are correct. I am only pointing out what would have been possible with Shoal instead.
ROUND1
- [7:11] If Flare were Disrupting Shoal, you could have Flare pitch Snapcaster mage on Animate Dead and kept Coatl. I think Snapcaster in hand is more powerful in that spot, though.
- In that same game, though, turn 1 not Ponder could have clipped the Reanimate on Grief (or forced them to take the cantrip).
ROUND2
- [24:17] You could have Disrupting Shoal pitch Force of Will to Counter Yorion. Saves a life.
- [24:50] Snap+Push would have been the only play if Flares were Shoals even if you hadn't tapped for Frog. Would have needed 5 mana to hard cast.
- [25:47] Could have Shoal pitched Snapcaster Mage instead of Snap+Spell Snare.
-[49:38] In the final moments of the game with them at 5 and you at 9, you had Harbinger and a bunch of CMC1. Could have held Harbinger to counter a 3-drop if the game went on for longer (Flickerwisp, Skyclave, etc.)
Round3
- [50:49] Could have pitched Brainstorm to Shoal to counter DRC. Don't think you would have even Forced there, though.
- [51:25] Could have also pitched Brainstorm to Shoal to counter NetherGoyf. You had Force here and didn't use it, so you probably would not have done this either. The big thing to note is that you had the ability to counter things that cost 1 and 2 with Shoal for the opening, regardless of which thing to counter.
-[52:59] You had just played a Frog with Force, Shoal, Brainstorm, and IceFang in hand. Would have been able to Shoal+ IceFang to keep frog alive with Force backup. Instead you had to Force pitch Flare and lost the counter war and the Frog. If keeping Frogs alive defines the format moving forward, a counter spell that forces you to sacrifice that Frog is not good. Cards in hand is a better and free resource to use (as with Force Of Will/Vigor).
-[55:07] Had the Flare been a Shoal, you could have Shoal pitch Brainstorm to counter Fatal Push on your only Coatl. Though you were pretty behind by this point anyway. Your option because of Flare was to eat the Push on your only dude, or sac that dude to counter the push...hmm...this Flare card is not good!
- [59:12] "We are once again seeing I'm not able to cast my spells because my [basic] lands don't tap for [the right colors] of mana." --> Flare of Denial forces you to tap the mana you don't have to deploy threats you need to stay alive and then sacrifice those threats you can't afford to lose. It sets you back mana in your tempo deck trying to cheat on mana for speed.
ROUND4
-[1:02:11] After sticking the Spellbomb, could have Shoal pitching Baleful Strix to counter Dauthi for the 1-2-punch. Though they did have 6 cards in hand at that point. You did draw the Push and they did have the Daze. Though you would have had 1 mana up because Spellbomb was played on turn two (two lands).
- [1:06:43] Spell Snare plus Shoal against reanimator means you have both Reanimate spells in check. Snare the animate dead or pitch it to Shoal for Reanimate.
ROUND 5
- never drew it
THOUGHTS
- Unless you have that critical mass of creatures, Force of Will is still the best free counterspell. Flare of Denial is really only good when there are a lot of 1-drops in your deck. At least 7-10. And at least 21 creatures. You had 15 here.
- Lórien Revealed costs 5, the same as Force of Will. Shoal plus Lórien Revealed counters a Force. Food for thought.
- Spell Snare plus Shoal is a great combo against aggro decks early game (of course assuming you have maxed out Force of Will because Force+snare is an even better combo, though Shoal as Cancel mana still counters CMC=1 stuff.)
- Playing with Disrupting Shoal means looking at the format and asking what you afraid of and what CMC are those things. Then constructing the deck to usually have those CMC. It's not hard to do. People just don't have experience using it because usually crazy people play it (like Greg Hatch or Jordan Boisvert). But they're not wrong!
"They don't KNOOOOOW!" XD
i love my share of busted combo decks but in paper I love me some fair magic
The juicy blow out on that g2 death and taxes player was hot
I would strongly consider running at least one Vexing Bauble Main and probably one in side as well to have a bit more counterplay to Grief.
1/1 cantrip tribal is right up my alley
Honestly feels like a good way to build BUG Fit right now, between the green and blue Flares.
I very much enjoy the spell snare fanfare
Aether vial would be the nuts in this deck hard to make cuts tho
Hello Kairos92!
i feel like flare of denial might be better as a sideboard card. kind of like how people have a couple force of negations in the side for spell/combo heavy matchups as additional forces, but for blue creature heavy decks? idk they kind of have the same niche, but force of negation is way easier to work with.
Bosh posts a video, i click, i watch, i hit like. Im a simple man.
Round 2 is such a fantastic example of what happens when you lower the power level of the format just 1 iota. Get grief outta here already. Round 2 of this was just so fucking great and that deck doesn't even get to exist in a meta where grief-scam-reanimator is just so powerful and doesn't even have any tangible weaknesses.
Yay! A legacy video!
Using FOW blue count logic, you need ~21 creatures to play Flare of Denial. Which means it only goes in fish decks.
Ya know....that Greg Hatch Mono Blue Martyr with Disrupting Shoal and Sky Husaar...now that's a Flare of Denial deck! Half the creatures sac themselves anyway (Cursecatcher, Judge's Familiar...)
I count 15 creatures. Means too many Flares.
Harbinger + Trophy combo..xp
I bet the same people who don't have a problem with Grief also cried when Splinter Twin was banned in modern. Playing modern and getting into a match vs. Splinter Twin circa 2015 was a goddamn nightmare and some of the least fun I've had playing magic ever.
I saw the title and thought it was going to be a triple flare deck flare of denial, cultivation, and malice
Was suddenly slightly upset when it was only denial
Still worth
Which handsome and beautiful patreon sub is gonna donate for the flare of cultivation veteran explorer deck we've all been waiting for??
1:13:33. There you go future me.
Hi, Kairos92!
I am looking to play something like this at the Buffalo Dip.
List is sick
Love me some strix
Question about MTGO: When you Surgical Extraction who plays Brainstorm under Leovold, it reveals their library. Did it sort the cards for you? Do you have any way of knowing which two cards they topped?
It sorts the deck alphabetically. You don't get that info.
Would Unearth be a card worth exploring for this deck?
Does this deck actually have enough green spells to support force of vigor?
40:00 would it have made more sense to just force of vigor before brainstorm and keep the dress down?
my understanding of "dead on board" is that, using only onboard information and maybe private information available to the player in question, they will be dead. I see bosh sometimes saying it in reference to situations where he is presenting lethal, but it is _not_ known by the opponent (e.g. bosh has a snapcaster in hand that he can flash in for 2 more damage that is needed). wondering if this is just a dialect type of deal where we just use the words differently or what
I do not think it’s incorrect to say dead on board when we know they have no outs. The phrase can refer to either player’s perspective as determined by context.
@@mopanda81 actually funny enough the next day (maybe it was 2 days, it was soon after this one) bosh made this same "dead on board" comment and then corrected himself in saying it wasn't actually on board
Round one game two- wait, no, surgicaling from your own hand doesn't redraw, I'm getting it mixed up with a later card
Hi Kairos92
30:05, how about ass blast the karakas so tamiyo can start drawing cards? edit: lol nvm you saw it in a few turns
What are your thoughts on a single Zagoth Triome? Seems better than the surveil 1 off the tapped surveil lands, and makes any basic cast all your 2-drops since you're only running color pairs
I’ve paid five mana for FoW.
Hi, Kairos92
3 color basic land bases seem so rough in Legacy, especially when playing borderline unplayable cards like flare and ice-fang.
Don’t disagree. Feel like some Lorien Revealeds would go a long way to smoothing out this manabase, but on the whole I think this is a rough scene
Do you think a March From Velis Vel combo deck could work in Legacy? I've brewed a $30 Budget Vintage deck that uses March From Velis to turn Gates into Pashalik Mons. They all die and mass ping the opponent to death.
If it’s cheap why not just run it and see?
@@mopanda81I'll be trying it out myself in $30 Budget Vintage, but I was curious whether the deck might work in a less budget constrained format (which I have no desire to invest in)
Damn i was happy to watch until you got griefd, now that it's banned i will not watch anything with it. Gives me ptsd. I'll let the video roll on mute on the background tho, so you get more engagement on yt.
8:45 is he saying spell snare is good for his opponents "jew" creatures?
juke lol