A vital use for Viennese peas
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ค. 2023
- From 'Jet Lag: The Game', Sam Denby, Adam Chase and Ben Doyle face a question about a historical use for legumes.
LATERAL is a weekly podcast about interesting questions and even more interesting answers, hosted by Tom Scott. For business enquiries, contestant appearances or question submissions, visit www.lateralcast.com
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Sam Denby: @Wendoverproductions, / wendoverpro
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HOST: Tom Scott.
QUESTION PRODUCER: David Bodycombe.
RECORDED AT: The Podcast Studios, Dublin.
EDITED BY: Julie Hassett.
GRAPHICS: Chris Hanel at Support Class. Assistant: Dillon Pentz.
MUSIC: Karl-Ola Kjellholm ('Private Detective'/'Agrumes', courtesy of epidemicsound.com).
FORMAT: Pad 26 Limited/Labyrinth Games Ltd.
EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: David Bodycombe and Tom Scott.
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I will say that despite Adam being confidently incorrect, his sheer enthusiasm must be appreciated
Honestly I'm impressed that even after, he kept the enthusiasm and answers going. I admire that he didn't let the short embarrassment stop him from having fun.
Adam immediately declaring that the opposite of ghosts is babies was just so wholesome
I mean, makes more sense than tunneling enemy soldiers, right?
But then he was thinking they were orphaned, or being left for dead...
I'm not sure we can say what ghosts are. People just assume they are some leftover from a once living person. That may not be the case.
"opposite of ghosts"
"tax collectors!"
"Abandoned babies with a love for dried peas and percussion instruments"
Adam would've been perfect on Two of These People Are Lying with stories like that.
Oh that is a perfect collaboration that must happen some day!
PLEASE that would be amazing to watch
He’s defo been to the pub with Chris Joel in preparation 😂
TOTPAL would actually be a fantastic format for an off-season episode of The Layover
The look on Tom's face as Adam is describing gathering babies with musical instruments
He's like, "There's no way the producers chose that--right???"
3:10
As a history nerd and Sabaton fan, when I heard 1683 Vienna, I immediately knew it's about the siege of Vienna by the Ottomans.
You and me both.
I immediately thought of Neal Stephenson's The Baroque Cycle.
And then I started singing "then the winged hussars arrived!"
Wouldn't classify myself as a Sabaton fan, but as a fellow history nerd, same.
Same, when Adam asked “Was there a war in Vienna in 1683” I just about lost it.
absolutely right
It is somehow very easy for me to believe you can actually, in real life, lure Ben anywhere using only music and peas
Especially when he’s had a few 🥃😂
The monologue of attracting tunnel babies with music and dried peas cracked me up 😂
I love the growing look of "I shouldn't have invited these nuts on my show" Tom has around 3:43
“That is incorrect to an impressive level” is the yin to Roy Walker’s yang of “It’s a good answer, but it’s not right!” 😂😂😂
So where does Tom's "The interesting thing about that is No" fall? 😄
@@beth12svist”Yeah, you’re right.”
“Oh.”
"Were there people where they didn't know where they were, and they were trying to interact with them in some way"
Yes, the swordy stabby way to be precise.
brilliant
"history is written by the whatever the rest of the phrase is."
Adam sounds like he would be the best idea spit-baller in like a corporate team setting. Like sure his ideas may not be the best but in an office around team members and management just the sheer enthusiasm and confident assertiveness of his half baked ideas is enough to warrant like a slightly better cubicle and nobody would argue that he didn’t deserve it.
Tom looking increasingly concerned and confused as the Jet Lag team start their proprietary brand of confusion-fu is hilarious to watch
"noted authority on facts" is the only way I'll describe Tom from now on
The moment the question used the word "scouts", my first thought was "Was there a military campaign in or near Vienna at the time?" :P
That was easy as a Hungarian viewer. We all had to read a book in school about the siege of Eger ("Eclipse of the Crescent Moon") , which describes exactly this technique in detail.
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Adam was a few centuries off with the babies. In the Roman empire that was actually common practice for unwanted children, for example those of prostitutes or sometimes even from families that financially couldn't afford them, those babies ended up in the sewers or on dumps and nobody really cared. Some of those children were lucky, they were picked up and addopted by women who wanted children but couldn't have any of their own, but most of them died.
Yeah, it should really be taught at schools that "caring about children" is a relatively new phenomenon.
I also recall reading about a case in France only a few centuries ago where somebody mutilated somebody's child (I believe the child lost an eye among other things) and the assailant only had to pay the child's mother relatively low compensation for "property damage"...
@@notthere83 I mean a lot of it was lack of birth control so people had to make choices. The "baby farming" era is a particularly messy one, where society has started to care about leaving babies to die, but there are still way too many of them being produced, so people would pay someone to allegedly take care of their kid for them. If the kid was LUCKY they ended up in Les Miserables, starved and kicked around and used as cheap labor. If the kid was unlucky they were immediately drowned once the parents were out of sight. IIRC a lot of baby farmers were executed if they were caught.
This episode with the jet lag dudes was so much fun! Can't wait for the next EP with them back on.
As someone from Central Europe, specifically Czechia, we are all told in history classes about the Ottoman siege of Vienna and the use of drums and peas, so I knew this from the get-go.
There was an episode of Mythbusters where they examined a similar technique from way earlier, drums in holes and people listening to detect tunnelling. I love the idea of adding peas to amplify the sounds though, that would have made them much more sensitive. In the Mythbusters episode (spoilers) Adam could not hear anything but Carrie was able to (better hearing).
i am convinced that adam and ben are the two funniest people on the internet
They definitely are. I love how they play off of eachother
@@2_obsessed your profile pic is incredible btw
@@mikaoleander thanks!
That's a GREAT fact. Also, Adams just throwing out of new hypotheses one after another makes him pretty good at this.
my ass carrying peas and a speaker everywhere i go from now on for the sake of luring ben
Every Sabaton fan was screaming at the screen the whole time.
I love how according to Tom the opposite of ghosts is tax collectors, that works on a very weird level - ghosts are souls with no body and tax collectors are bodies with no soul
There's some saying about only 2 things are certain in life: death and taxes. Since it wasn't death, clearly it must be tax-related!
Years ago, I learned the story of the bakers of Vienna hearing the tunneling because they went to work in the early morning in the basements and cellars but I did not know this part of the story.
Yes, the story goes that a couple of apprentice bakers were working overnight in an underground bakehouse and heard the noise from the Turks tunneling. They raised the alarm and the army was able to place explosives to stop the Turks. As a reward for their service, the young bakers were granted the right to make a pastry shaped like a crescent (the symbol of the Ottoman Empire), and thus croissants were born. (Probably just a legend, but cool nonetheless.)
@@myladycasagrande863 Does this mean I can blame ancient Turks for making be fat?
@@MattTCfarm16th century is hardly ancient
Love the Jet Lag guys’ energy.
these guys are just chaos
but if they're all pursuing each other across various parts of the world why is it called JETLAG THE GAME and not THE ADAM CHASE???????
I was thinking they dropped peas on the drums to simulate the sound of raindrops, to lure out earthworms or something. 😅
I totally put the peas and drums together but thought they were using it to make the sound of rain echo down the tunnels, driving 'ne'er-do-wells' out in fear of flooding or something! :P
"There could be people above, there could be people below, there could be people around, there could be people anywhere."
Fun fact: 300+ years later, this still holds true for large parts of Vienna.
Also, I just got some serious Deja-Vu typing this comment. I could swear I already typed these same lines out some years ago.
Holy shite.. it took accidentally restarting this video and hearing Sam ask the question again to realize THAT'S THE SAM FROM HALF AS INTERESTING!!!!!! 😂😅
This was a lot of fun!
"History is written by the... the... whatever the rest of that phrase is" he knew that saying "victor" might be a huge hint, it might get them thinking about wars
I got really stuck on thinking they were a search party looking for someone lost underground. Banding on drums helps you find them, and you have food for them because they might be hungry. I don't know why you would choose peas for that, though.
I thought it was a play on peace and harmony(peas and music)😂
Of course, history is written by the pea-men
I knew this immediately lol. 1683 Siege of Vienna
man i lov eben's innocent questions he asks out of pure curiosity. absolutely hilarious!
I was convinced for one and a half minutes that this was just Sam Adam and Ben
Fantastic question
I finally got it at 4:44 I think. I heard about it from a Chinese siege....
I thought it was to detect earthquakes. I was pretty close.
That was a good one.
i heard "musical instruments and dried peas" and immediately thought. improvised pea shooter with pan pipes
Thanks for all the work you do tom. Have a deserved break.
My brain immediately went "Ottoman tunnels", and I have NO IDEA WHY. I must have heard ablut this somewhere before, but I didn't actually remember about the drums and peas, I just heard "cellars in Vienna" and that's where my mind went. Brains are crazy.
When I heard the question, my initial thought was 🎶 This means nothing to me... 🎶
My initial thought was 🎶then the winged hussars arrived🎶
is there no full ep with cam or is it audio only?
We remember, in September when the winged hussars arrived!
Its a desperate race against the mine, and a race against time (may as well use the lyric most relevant to this question)
@@MercenaryPen Trenches to explosive hall, buried deep within the walls, plant the charges there and watch the city fear...
Trenches to explosive halls, are buried deep beneath the walls, plant the charges there and watch the city fear!
I can't believe I didn't get that, I knew about that technique
If you like Sabaton you would know what happened next: and the winged hussars arrived
In 1683, during the siege of Vienna, 140,000 soldiers of the Ottoman Empire were tearing the city's defences apart. They were driven away when a relief force, comprising the famed Winged Hussars of Poland, arrived to save the city.
I was sure this was some neat way of finding structural weakness in houses.
I heard cellars and Vienna and thought beer would be involved.
underground there were instruments, on the ground there were winged hussars
As a Sabaton fan, I am ashamed my mind did not go straight to the siege of Vienna in 1683 :(
Although, the year is not mentioned in the song, but I've read the article about it
Then the winged hussars arrived!!
I knew this because of the Mythbusters episode on it, but I don't remember peas being involved.
literally just finished listening to a podcast about the siege of vienna
it was a tough one
The struggle
I knew it at "underground"
It was impressive how long did it take for them to figure it out 😁 I thought they will knock it out of the park in a minute, the question was so specific 😁
I had zero knowledge of this question, but I would have asked some clarification questions regarding the scouts, namely: "are they military scouts?" The Boy Scout movement wasn't founded until the 20th century, so it definitely was not that.
This sounds like it was part of the war against the Ottomans.
Blind (corrected from "Bling") guess: it's about vibration and resonance. The peas would react differently depending on what they where put into, and on how the soundwaves would affect the peas/medium combo.
Late guess (corrected from "mid guess") 6:25: getting alerts for earthquakes.
In retrospect: My initial guess was right, but way, way, too wide. I didn't specify the purpose nor the reasoning for it; only the mechanism.
Pretty clever, ngl!
The fact that none of them immediately jumped at "1683, Vienna" shows a terrible lack of history knowledge right there :D
I was thinking hidden rooms of a Resistance.
There was a Mythbusters episode to this effect…
I was heading towards some sort of disaster like an earthquake. The music was played time to time to announce they were there so some didn’t give up hope… and if they found someone trapped the peas would offer some nourishment hopefully…. Lol
My guess halfway through the video:
Are the scouts looking for survivors of an earthquake?
With the later clues that no longer made sense, haha.
cant wait for your last videos tom
My first thought was that they were trying not to get lost - the peas were to be scattered to leave a trail for finding their way back, and the musical instruments were to alert others nearby to their location. Completely wrong, of course.
I love all four of them
1:31 Tom enters the chat
That is not just wrong, it is impressively wrong.
Ah, basic seismograph. Very ingenious.
I had heard of this, but I still didn't get it.
We had a show back in the day in Germany called "Genial Daneben" that was kinda like this, but with failed comedians.
Tunneling was more efficient as a method of entry than anything else? How far away did they have to start these tunnels in order to not be spotted? "Oop, look, 100 meters away, those darn foreigners are digging a hole again, they're tunneling in again."
It is during the Siege of Vienna the Ottoman army is outside the city wall with tens of thousands of men around the city and in the countryside around Vienna. The number is 90,000 to 300,000 men depending on the source.
Digging trenches making the earth and wooden fortification to protect you own personnel, put artillery into and even undermining the wall or just making a tunnel below it are ways to breach a wall that will be as old as the idea of a siege of a fortification.
So they did know the emery was outside the city they did not know exactly where they were digging. Going out there to stop them was not an option, there were around 11,000 soldiers and 5,000 volunteers in the city. They would have been crushed if it was not for the walls. It was not until the relief force of around 70,000 men arrived you get a battle that the Ottomans lost.
The battle had the largest known cavalry change in history with 18,000 men charging down the hills. The Battle of Pelennor Fields, which is the battle in The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King that is in and outside of Minas Tirith where the Rohan cavalry charge down the hill is something similar to this in a movie. If the number of the rider in the movie matches the book it is only 6,000 men. I would say the importance of the battles is similar too, this is when the Ottoman expansion in Europe stops. The war did continue for another 16 years but the siege is the main turning point.
Wouldn't that be defenders not scouts?
does Sam Denby have a youtube channel?
wendover
Video just came out. I'm happy about how impressively wrong one of y'all was
I went straight to war with the Ottomans. Know the history of your neighbours!
My God, have none of these people read about the Siege of Vienna?! It was one of the most important conflicts in history. If it had gone differently all of Europe might have become Muslim.
It deeply bothers me that Adam has his microphone at basically the perfect angle to NOT pick his voice up! Like regardless of which pickup mode he can't really do worse
Ok, how many were screaming at the screan with Sabaton playing in the background?😁
"History is written by whatever the rest of that phrase is"
Podcast? Lol
And the turks never conquered Vienna.