In the rubric accompanying this video, you state that the translations by C. de B. Evans are the best 'freely' available. Do you mean 'freely' in the literal sense of being available for no cost? Or are you implying that of all the translation available to the general public they are the best? If the latter, then what do you think of the translations by M. O'C. Walshe and used by Bernard McGinn in his various commentaries concerning Meister Eckhart?
They’re the best that are out of copyright. Walshe is certainly better, but those won’t be public domain for a long time. The ones that are normally on here and freely available online aren’t the same quality as Ms Evans’ work, IMO
@@goodtothinkwith Ah - thank you. I have been using Walshe for a number of years and, since I know no German (high or low), I am 100% reliant on their translation. I have ordered your book - should be with me next week.
Errors of Eckart (The Son of God, etc.) * [Examined and condenined in the edict "In agro dominico," Mar. 27, 1329] 501 (1) And when asked why God did not create the world first, he answered that God was not able to create the world first, * because He cannot make things before He is; therefore, as soon as God was, He immediately created the world. 502 (2) Likewise it can be granted that the world existed from eternity. 503 (3) Likewise at the same time and once, when God was, when He begot the Son coeternal with Himself, through all things coequal God, He also created the world. 504 (4) Likewise in every work, even evil, evil I say, as of punishment and of sin, the glory of God is manifested and reflects equally. 505 (5) Likewise he who blames anyone, in the blame itself by the sin of blaming praises God, and the more he blames and the more gravely he sins, the more he praises God. 506 (6) Likewise anyone by blaspheming God Himself, praises God. 507 (7) Also he seeking anything here or there seeks evil and badly be cause he seeks the denial of good and the denial of God, and he prays God to be denied to him. 508 (8) In those men who do not seek after wealth, or honors, or utility, or interior devotion, or sanctity or reward, or the kingdom of heaven, but renounce all these things even that which is theirs, God is honored. 509 (9) Recently I have considered whether I would wish to receive or to wish for anything from God; I wish to deliberate exceedingly well about this, because when I was receiving from God, then I was under Him or below Him, as a servant or slave, and He [was] as a master in giving, and thus we ought not to be in eternal life. 510 (10) We are transformed entirely in God, and we are changed into Him; in a similar manner as in the sacrament the bread is changed into the body of Christ; so I am changed into Him because He Himself makes me to be one with Him, not like (to Him); through the living God it is true that there is no distinction there. 511 (11) Whatever God the Father gave to His only begotten Son in human nature, all this He has given to me; here I except nothing, neither union, nor sanctity, but He has given all to me as to Himself. 512 (12) Whatever Sacred Scripture says about Christ, all this also is verified with respect to every good and divine man. 513 (13) Whatever is proper to divine nature, all this is proper to the just and divine man; because of this that man operates whatever God operates, and together with God he created heaven and earth, and he is the generator of the eternal Word, and God without such a man does not know how to do anything. 514 (14) A good man ought so to conform his will to the divine will that he himself wishes whatever God wishes; because God wishes me to have sinned in some way, I would not wish that I had not committed sins, and this is true repentance. 515 (15) If man had committed a thousand mortal sins, if such a man were rightly disposed, he ought not to wish that he had not committed them. 516 (16) God properly does not prescribe an exterior act. 517 (17) An exterior act is not properly good or divine, neither does God properly operate it or produce it. 518 (18) We bring forth the fruit not of exterior actions which do not make us good, but of interior actions which the Father abiding in us does and operates. 519 (19) God loves souls, not works outside. 520 (20) A good man is the only begotten Son of God. 521 (21) A noble man is that only begotten Son of God whom the Father has begotten from eternity. 522 (22) The Father begot me His son and the same Son. Whatever God does, this is one; because of this He Himself begot me His Son without any distinction. 523 (23) God is one in all ways and according to every reason, so that in Himself He cannot find any multitude in intellect or outside intellect; for he who sees two, or sees a distinction, does not see God, for God is one beyond the above number, neither is He counted one [read: number I with anyone. It follows, therefore, that no distinction can exist or be understood in God Himself. 524 (24) Every distinction is foreign to God, either in nature or in person; it is proved that nature itself is one and this oneness, and any person is one and the oneness which is nature. 525 (25) When it is said: "Simon, do you love me more than these?" [John 21:15 f.], the sense is: That is, more than those and indeed well but not perfectly. For in thefirst and the second and more and less thereis both a degree and a rank; in oneness, however, there is no degree nor rank. Therefore, he who loves God more than his neighbor, (loves) indeed well but not yet perfectly. 526 (26) All creatures are one pure nothing; I do not say that they are something ordinary or anything, but that they are one pure nothing. In addition there is an objection against the above said Eckart, because he preached two other articles under these words: 527 (1) Something is in the soul which is uncreated and incapable of creation; if the entire soul were such, it would be uncreated and incapable of creation, and this is the intellect. 528 (2) That God is not good nor better nor best; so I speak badly whenever I call God good, as if I should call white black. 529 . . . We condemn and expressly disapprove the first fifteen articles and also the two last ones as "heretical," but the eleven others already mentioned as "evil-sounding, rash, and suspected of heresy," and no less any books or works of this Eckart containing the above mentioned articles or any one of them. patristica.net/denzinger/#n500
I need to do a video on the condemnatory bill at some point. It’s actually quite subtle and interesting in carefully condemning certain ideas for specific uses without condemning Eckhart himself. It also has several “wins” in there for Eckhart - most notably the “insofar as” section. I’ll do a video on it…
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In the rubric accompanying this video, you state that the translations by C. de B. Evans are the best 'freely' available. Do you mean 'freely' in the literal sense of being available for no cost? Or are you implying that of all the translation available to the general public they are the best? If the latter, then what do you think of the translations by M. O'C. Walshe and used by Bernard McGinn in his various commentaries concerning Meister Eckhart?
They’re the best that are out of copyright. Walshe is certainly better, but those won’t be public domain for a long time. The ones that are normally on here and freely available online aren’t the same quality as Ms Evans’ work, IMO
@@goodtothinkwith Ah - thank you. I have been using Walshe for a number of years and, since I know no German (high or low), I am 100% reliant on their translation.
I have ordered your book - should be with me next week.
That’s great! I look forward to hearing what you think of it
Errors of Eckart (The Son of God, etc.) *
[Examined and condenined in the edict "In agro dominico," Mar. 27, 1329]
501 (1) And when asked why God did not create the world first, he answered that God was not able to create the world first, * because He cannot make things before He is; therefore, as soon as God was, He immediately created the world.
502 (2) Likewise it can be granted that the world existed from eternity.
503 (3) Likewise at the same time and once, when God was, when He begot the Son coeternal with Himself, through all things coequal God, He also created the world.
504 (4) Likewise in every work, even evil, evil I say, as of punishment and of sin, the glory of God is manifested and reflects equally.
505 (5) Likewise he who blames anyone, in the blame itself by the sin of blaming praises God, and the more he blames and the more gravely he sins, the more he praises God.
506 (6) Likewise anyone by blaspheming God Himself, praises God.
507 (7) Also he seeking anything here or there seeks evil and badly be cause he seeks the denial of good and the denial of God, and he prays God to be denied to him.
508 (8) In those men who do not seek after wealth, or honors, or utility, or interior devotion, or sanctity or reward, or the kingdom of heaven, but renounce all these things even that which is theirs, God is honored.
509 (9) Recently I have considered whether I would wish to receive or to wish for anything from God; I wish to deliberate exceedingly well about this, because when I was receiving from God, then I was under Him or below Him, as a servant or slave, and He [was] as a master in giving, and thus we ought not to be in eternal life.
510 (10) We are transformed entirely in God, and we are changed into Him; in a similar manner as in the sacrament the bread is changed into the body of Christ; so I am changed into Him because He Himself makes me to be one with Him, not like (to Him); through the living God it is true that there is no distinction there.
511 (11) Whatever God the Father gave to His only begotten Son in human nature, all this He has given to me; here I except nothing, neither union, nor sanctity, but He has given all to me as to Himself.
512 (12) Whatever Sacred Scripture says about Christ, all this also is verified with respect to every good and divine man.
513 (13) Whatever is proper to divine nature, all this is proper to the just and divine man; because of this that man operates whatever God operates, and together with God he created heaven and earth, and he is the generator of the eternal Word, and God without such a man does not know how to do anything.
514 (14) A good man ought so to conform his will to the divine will that he himself wishes whatever God wishes; because God wishes me to have sinned in some way, I would not wish that I had not committed sins, and this is true repentance.
515 (15) If man had committed a thousand mortal sins, if such a man were rightly disposed, he ought not to wish that he had not committed them.
516 (16) God properly does not prescribe an exterior act.
517 (17) An exterior act is not properly good or divine, neither does God properly operate it or produce it.
518 (18) We bring forth the fruit not of exterior actions which do not make us good, but of interior actions which the Father abiding in us does and operates.
519 (19) God loves souls, not works outside.
520 (20) A good man is the only begotten Son of God.
521 (21) A noble man is that only begotten Son of God whom the Father has begotten from eternity.
522 (22) The Father begot me His son and the same Son. Whatever God does, this is one; because of this He Himself begot me His Son without any distinction.
523 (23) God is one in all ways and according to every reason, so that in Himself He cannot find any multitude in intellect or outside intellect; for he who sees two, or sees a distinction, does not see God, for God is one beyond the above number, neither is He counted one [read: number I with anyone. It follows, therefore, that no distinction can exist or be understood in God Himself.
524 (24) Every distinction is foreign to God, either in nature or in person; it is proved that nature itself is one and this oneness, and any person is one and the oneness which is nature.
525 (25) When it is said: "Simon, do you love me more than these?" [John 21:15 f.], the sense is: That is, more than those and indeed well but not perfectly. For in thefirst and the second and more and less thereis both a degree and a rank; in oneness, however, there is no degree nor rank. Therefore, he who loves God more than his neighbor, (loves) indeed well but not yet perfectly.
526 (26) All creatures are one pure nothing; I do not say that they are something ordinary or anything, but that they are one pure nothing.
In addition there is an objection against the above said Eckart, because he preached two other articles under these words:
527 (1) Something is in the soul which is uncreated and incapable of creation; if the entire soul were such, it would be uncreated and incapable of creation, and this is the intellect.
528 (2) That God is not good nor better nor best; so I speak badly whenever I call God good, as if I should call white black.
529 . . . We condemn and expressly disapprove the first fifteen articles and also the two last ones as "heretical," but the eleven others already mentioned as "evil-sounding, rash, and suspected of heresy," and no less any books or works of this Eckart containing the above mentioned articles or any one of them.
patristica.net/denzinger/#n500
I need to do a video on the condemnatory bill at some point. It’s actually quite subtle and interesting in carefully condemning certain ideas for specific uses without condemning Eckhart himself. It also has several “wins” in there for Eckhart - most notably the “insofar as” section. I’ll do a video on it…