That bag is inside the radiator and it's pressurised to a certain amount, when the liquid temperature increases the pressure will also increase and the volume of the bag decreases to maintain a constant pressure inside the aio. It works like a reverse water expansion tank that you usually find beside an electric water heater.
Was about to comment this, for some of these videos I really wish jay would invest 5 mins more of really understanding the Idea. Edit: It's kinda nice that, as a side effect, you can refill this AIO with distilled water in case too much diffused:)
@@Ahniiit's shit like this that keeps Jay well and truly in the "entertainment" category. I watch almost all of his videos, and I do enjoy them, but sometimes he just starts chatting absolute bollocks about things he could have understood with like ten minutes of effort.
I mean even the pic he showed shows it sticking out so you can freaking see it with a big arrow that shows how air is what comes that way. OR he could read the paragraph right next to it..... How would that even work. That doesn't even make sense. I think he's smoking the stuff bro.
yup, for a dude with the kinda cars and tech he deals with every day, his choices on the camaro rebuild, his pushing of new over used gpus, and constant lack of research firmly keeps him out of "authority" on things@@TheSkiddywinks
The LT 720 Deepcool aIO is rated as one of the Top 10 AIOS globally. They use their own custom Pump instead of the Asetek imported by others. Also they're very reliable.
Just bought the 360 in white. Can’t wait to see it in the system. The simple connectors to the mobo header is nice to see. How have you found the performance and noise?
Backstory for Jay : Deepcool once sold a case with a build-in AIO called the Deepcool Genome. Super cool case with the double-helix AIO. The AIO had issues exploding due to pressure build up. They modified it for the V2. Ever since Deepcool has been all about this anti-leak technology
I went with the Deepcool LT720 for my first ever PC Build (built the PC a few weeks ago), and I LOVE IT! the AIO looks so nice and it has been cooling my 13700K nicely and pretty quietly. I have no complaints so far
@@wherearemytesticles They can last 5 years if you're lucky. I was against one at first, but after the next gen Noctua air coolers got delayed and after hearing how hot the 13700k can get, I decided to get one
@@wherearemytesticles A decent AIO will last at least the lifespan of your gaming PC if not longer. I've had 4 gaming PC's in my life and only one of them I kept for longer than 5 years before it needed to be upgraded/replaced to deal with the latest games.
@@wherearemytesticlesthat's a general issue with watercooling. Pumps can die, stuff can get clogged up (although that's usually an issue with the coolant), it's just a matter of fact that moving parts can, and will break eventually. Same thing with fans by the way. It's rare, but it happens. AIOs are the easy watercooling solution, and, generally speaking, a lot cheaper than custom loops, let alone the time you spend on those. So, yeah. People are aware that they aren't made to last forever, but that comes with the benefit of low/no maintenance and easy replacing it
I took a chance and picked up a DeepCool AK620 for my build last year it it has held up fantastically and for the price it has been excellent. Plus I just love the checkerboard style pattern on the fins, it looks so good.
I just got the LT720. It's cooling my 7950x. I absolutely love this cooler. Great performance, loved the RGB too. Many claim that the LT720 (360mm) can handle the 13900k better than any other. up to 315w I believe
I just bought this a week ago. It is my first time leaving the ol' familiar air cooler. I appreciated the innovation, to ease my apparently unfounded concerns, and in doing so bringing old dogs like me in to unfamiliar territory.
I'm more concerned about pump failure than a leak with AIO's which often means the entire unit needs replacing. Custom loop is where leaks are my main concern because more points of failure while pump failure not since it's replaceable.
pretty sure the bag is inside the housing and expanding there. You have the same system in heating loops for apartments with a gas heater. The "bag" just makes sure the loop is always full and under about the same pressure by expanding and shrinking with temperature.
I have a Deepcool Captain 240 PRO V2 that is still running perfectly since januari 2020. It also haves the anti leak tech you mentioned. Very good temps and pump is still silent. I'm very happy i went with Deepcool. I heard they produce all their AIO's in house.
Go for it!! I bought the LT720 for my 13700k and it's doing great! I removed the stock the thermal paste and applied Arctic MX-6 and it keeps my CPU cool even under heavy loads
I got an Amazon deal and got the DeepCool LS720 (360mm) for 80 bucks!, Thing runs my 13700K OC to 6Ghz with no issues no thermal throttling NADA! Highly recommended.
Im using a Deepcool LS720 for about a year now on my 13700k. One of the best AIO‘s I ever used. And that’s not only a subjective feel. Roman and Steve tested their products and they are equal to way more expansive aios And yes it is not an asetek pump it is in house developed
cause i read that asketek has patented having the pump on the cpu block but only on US so companies like Corsair made some weird AIO with the pump on the radiator for example.@@aqulex84
I assemble PCs for a living, dedicating 9 hours a day to this work. Over the years, my experience with Deepcool has been incredibly positive and consistently reliable. The LT 720 is significantly better than the Asus Ryujin II, even with Noctua fans. Based on my experience, all of their products are amazing and reasonably priced. However, my favorite coolers to assemble are their AK series for air cooling and LT series for AIOs; they never disappoint and so easy to assemble.
Got a cheap pump for the cat water box on Ali and on a regular base I put near boiling temperature water in it to kill bacteria. I let it run until the water is cold then I throw it out and replace the water with new cold water. Works reasonably well to clean it. That pump sounds exactly like it did when I first installed it. Pumps are capable of more than you think they are.There is a limit but that limit is probably >100c after all you want to remove the possibility that it dies if you forget to plug in the power.
I just purcashed one these, but a 360mm. Looks good, works well, and cant hear water. Significantly reduced my temps by 10c, over my 240mm cooler master. One thing I have noticed is hazing on the inside of the cube, after about 1 months use.
I've had a deepcool AIO for 5 years and it's been reliable as hell. I've pulled it out twice now in those 5 years to shake it and determine if there was too much evap and reapply TP. No sloshing even 5 years in. craziness.
As Jay said that so many don't, the cooling fluid strips ions from the metals, which is why you never use distilled water, being distilled it has no metal thus it will strip ions as it is electrically unbalanced. Use PC specific cooling fluid or de-ionized water and making sure all exposed metals are of either non reactive metals like Nickel or stainless steel (high chromium-Chrome content) or of the same base type.
there is so much incorrect information in this dumpster fire of a comment. suffice to say, distilled is the best coolant and you should refrain from advising anyone on pc's.
Loveee my deep cool 240 aio, keeps my 9th gen cool at 5ghz. Also agree with jay they are bringing innovation and quality at a affordable price point. I really wish they would have continued the pump head with the glass and metal pipe in them... looked so industrial !
Well, the brand new one didnt blow up. But after a few years when the O-rings weaken the pressure compensation gets more valuable. It takes stress off the rubber tubes and seals because they get stressed from repeated heat and pressure cycles. Or get stressed LESS here, which would probably increase lifetime except for unexpected pump death.
In my custom loop with a u-flow radiator (x-flow doesn't work, gravity would make my reservoir overflow) I put in a pressure equalization membrane (looks like a bigger 1/4 plug) which lets air pass through but not water. This way my loop has always the same atmospheric pressure no matter the temperature.
I have the deepcool LS720 for my i9-13900k by far the best aio I've had been about 6 months of use no problems and haven't noticed any thermal issue's while gaming for hours
I have a deep cool 420 AIO and haven't had any issues with it at all. Can confirm, it's NOT an Asitec pump. It's their own inhouse stuff. Biggest reason I bought it.
The reason I love this channel is because Jay is just one of us - he doesn't try to be some super investigative journalist, he doesn't need 100 people on a team. He's just a goofy nerd who likes tinkering with stuff. Been a fan for years and hope Jay keeps putting out content like this. Tinkering is more entertaining than graphs and marketing.
Bursting tubes are something I've never really worried about with aios/water cooling. It's more things like an issue my friend had where the tube split, leaked onto his gpu and killed it.
I've watch quite a few videos on AOI's and apparently for one to leak is VERY VERY VERY VERYYYYYY rare. like almost basically impossible. Though the longer you have it the chance I guess could be higher? or you get a really really faulty one.
This anti-leak is functioning similar to an expansion tank on a home hot water system. I would suggest looking up the operation and function of a boiler system expansion tank and you'll see what deep cool was doing with this air blatter.
@@flatmotion1 72C isn't a high temp for the CPU. The fluid temp, and pump operating temp (the part Jay was focusing on), have very different thresholds.
Bought castle 240 half a year ago used. Its so quiet that when i tried to check the pump, it was completely silent,with no vibrations,i couldnt sense its working at all. I had to trust the seller and take the risk
air expands way more then water under heat. So it could be that this security is making a difference after permeation removed water and increased air volume in the system.
i have been using an older model Deepcool Gamerstorm 240 AIO for over 5 years.. Yes 5 years since I bought it in 2018 to cool my i7 6700K, i had many doubts about this deepcool because i was not familiar with his brand and it was the only one that was in my budgetand it never leaked. I have removed and reinstalled the AIO multiple times as part of PC cleaning. It still performs well :)
Most of anti-leak technology used in these type of closed loop is filled with liquid and closed in little bit of vacum. That is it. Fluid expands when temperature rise so it is safer when before temperature rise start from lower preasure
We use that same tech in our tube heads for dental radiation technology. It does take a lot of heat and as you stated many other bad thing have to happen in order to get that much heat. I have a few pics of the ballon expanding on the tube head if interested. As always thanks for the informative vids.
I rebuilt my PC this year and bought the 360mm version of this AIO, strictly because of the infinity mirror pump block fitting with the aesthetic of my build (infinity mirror case, infinity mirror Lian Li fans) and it's mint so far. Can't hear it in operation, easily handles my 12700KF.
I just completed a build using this AIO. The fans have a wine to them at some RPM ranges and I had to replace them. I live in a rural area so returning wasn't really worth the drive or effort back to Microcenter. I replaced them with Thermaltake Tough Fans which work VERY well. The temps on my 7800x3d are fine, not great, but well within spec 46 at normal and around 70-74 at load. Fan Control curve is running 50%-100% for the curve. I tried to repurpose the fans as case fans and they still wine. Maybe defect, maybe trash fans.... In retrospec and future I wouldn't save the $30 and just get something better. Hope this helps someone looking to build with this cooler.
I grabbed the lt720 during prime day for my then also new to me 7800x3d. I absolutely love this AIO! It looks great, I've yet to hear it at all and it keeps my 7800x3d very cool. I also only payed around $95 for it which is crazy cheap for a 360mm AIO!
I replaced my old Arctic Liquid Freezer 2 with this AIO, it's doing a good job for my 5600x. it certainly isn't as affordable but I love the unique infinity mirror design and you can re fill the radiator
Hey, Jay! Maybe you should retry this test with a brand new AIO. As you know, an old AIO will have lost some water mass to permeation, which results in reduced system pressure and/or air insertion, which would perform the same function as the bladder in the DeepCool. A brand new AIO would experience far greater pressure change. That said, those flexible tubes just might have enough elasticity in them that you still wouldn't get the same effect as heating an inelastic radiator.
It looks like an ingeneer test object project in a classroom . Nice idea , good theory , doesnt need in practice. water expand , air get compressed already in the waterchamber of the aio that is not fully filled up so baloon is pointless en technicaly needs a counter air pressure like expansion tanks , that already has pressure in cold state , have .
This AIO is also one of, if not the cheapest AIO at microcenter. I was looking at getting this one for my build because I thought the block/pump looked very thin, which I needed for my SFF build. Ended up getting the newer model Lian Li AIO that recently came out and modding my case to fit.
Damn, look at all that wonderful workbench area you have to work with! So much room for activities and unboxings. Shop is looking good, great content as usual team.
Interesting tech. I think it works well enough because as Jay points out... there are other fail safes in the computer which would stop the AIO from getting that hot. (e.g. your cpu will throttle long before the water temp gets close to a bursting temp. )
Liquids aren't very compressible, it doesn't take much extra volume of water in a rigid system to increase the pressure to failure. I could see something like this working. If you kept heating it it would probably keep it from popping any of the fittings.
The idea of the rubber insert is to keep the pressure low, when the coolant warms up it will expand and produce more pressure vs when is cold, with the rubber insert the pressure wont go up as much or at all (while within nornal operating temp range), so less pressure less chance to leak thru o rings and such.
I got an LT720 for my current build but the pump went bad after a few months with a horrible grinding sound. There support was great they even cross shipped a replacement. Asus wont even do that without paying them money.
19:20 Jay, the difference between science and screwing around is writing it down, or in your case, recording it. This, by Adam Savage's definition, is *absolutely* science!
If the pressure is reduced at hotter end then it would reduce possibility of leaks at cpu plate seals as well cos I imagine the pressure is what starts the leak. It probably doesn’t need much volume, just enough to cover the liquid expansion.
Pure physics: if you heat a liquid too much it expands. The AIOs are not completely filled with liquid and have room for liquid expansion. You try to fill the AIO with liquid to the maximum and heat it and there you will see that it does explode.
I've wondered if the misconception that the coolant temperature is always similar to the component temperature partly has to do with people saying to have fan speed controlled by the coolant temperature but fail to mention that you'd want a different fan curve.
I'm _pretty_ sure there was another AIO that had that feature a couple/few years back. No idea what it was, but I definitely remember seeing a video about it. I think they called it a valve though, it was a piece that would pop out.
I've seen the same thing where if it's not the pump failling, it's a leak from the o-ring around the pump. The liquid did fall on the motherboard but not on the graphic card. The user told me he noticed his PC was getting drastically way slower and was shutting down after a certain amount of time so I told him to boot up the PC into the BIOS on the monitoring tab. I saw the CPU temperature climbing and climbing in the BIOS getting over 90C so I told him to bring me the PC because as opposed to what he thought, it wasn't a thermal paste issue because I did the application myself less than a year ago. I took off the graphic card, cleaned up the traces of liquid with isopropyl alcohol and cotton swabs, replaced the leaking AIO with a brand new one, redone the thermal paste application and he didn't have any issue ever since. It has been close to a year now.
Interesting, so you can add/replace the fluid from that bladder hole? I think AIO's are typically closed loops, that you can't do anything to the fluid.
You should have put the inlet/ outlet tubes to the radiator on top of testing set-up (and higher than the pump). That way it would be in the configuration it would be in a system. Also, the relief point would be at the highest point of the loop, increasing chance of failure.
it's a heat expansion lung ,when the liquid expands , it will compress the rubber lung ... its possible to connect a very sensible pressure gauge (mbar) to the small hole to see the lung being compressed when it heats :D
@@HG_Chiron yes , it's only complementary ,to help some viewers understand how it works , we can find it in liquid filled compass, high voltage oil cooled applications , where we need a liquid without air , but needs to expand when warmed up .
I'm actually impressed with the DeepCool AiO, I installed the 360 variant for a customer with a 13900K on an MSI Z790 Carbon wifi ( If I recall the board name correctly ). Out of the box it got over 40k score in Cinebench R23 and the CPU temp never got over 86C°.
"If you get 5 years out of an AIO, you got your money's worth multiple times over." - Jay Yessir, I picked up a Swiftech H220-X in 2015 for $150, still running strong today. Funny thing, I was just setting time aside this weekend to flush it and refill. Great timing on the topic lol.
On the third side of that coin ... you have a plug, so a few years later when fluid permeates out you can easily crack it open to add some. Soo many aio's dont have a user removable plug
Air bladders inside radiators or anything that holds liquids used in a sealed system that expects heat isn't anything new. You have them in a cars brake fluid reservoir, water heaters, and radiators.
I have an old ROG certified Genome Gamerstorm case. V1 from memory. I've had this for about 5 years now with daily use and suffered many heavy overclocking on CPU and many stress tests. The stock AIO that's built into the case is still going strong. I've had 1 issue with it where the pump seems to have stopped working and the pc shut down. A few 'if it's already broken, I can't break it more' taps, and it's been working again for the last year without any further issues.
I've been running a 3 set of their FC120 daisy chain fans in my build and I'm a fan (no pun intended). They daisy chain through a cable instead of pogo pins so they aren't as fancy as Lian Li or Corsair, but the fans do mount to each other very solidly. I still have some Corsair fans in the build as well and I've been toying with ripping those out and just getting another set of the FC120 to get rid of the commander node. One annoyance is that they don't have any 140 fans in the FC line and their support told me that they don't have any coming out anytime soon.
I’ve been using Deepcool’s older Castle 360 AIO for over 3 years now in my pc. It seems to still perform just as good as when I first installed it. In the AIO space I think Deepcool does everything right. Great performance, attractive designs, reliability, and more affordable than most of its competitors. I can also see the “leak proof” tech indirectly be something that potentially extends the life of the pump by actively reducing the loop pressure. Not entirely sure if that is happening in practice tho.
I purchased my first AIO, a Fractal Design celsius S36 nearly 6 years ago based on your review of it ( it will be 6 years on the 29th december 2023 ) and it is still going strong. ive had to repaste it a couple times and going to do it again soon but now that youve said that youre lucky if youve had one last 5 years, im kinda nervous now...
Jay, you missed the engeneering idea. Usually AIO is a fully sealed system and when you're operating - liquid increases its volume. When you turning off your PC - it cools down and volume (aka pressure) goes down. And now imagine this happens every day, every week, every month. How many cycles for volume/pressure increase/decrease it will create? And all those "spikes" will be harming all the sealings in AIO, ,there is no places for pressure to go. It will put all the force on plate/connections. And water sand the stone over time. What this system feels to be - compensator, that takes this everyday expansion on it, instead of mechanical parts.
I had a Corsair H80i V1 that failed in the cold plate oring and started leaking. It didnt damage anything though and Corsair was quick to replace it with an H80i V2 though so that was good.
I personally use air coolers like the Dark Rock Pro 4 as there's no chance of it ever failing other than aging thermal paste on the CPU and the fans. This cooler is massively over-sized for my AMD Ryzen 9 5950X but wanted to make sure it has enough cooling power regardless of the load on it.
Yeah Deep Cool seems to be one of those companies trying to figure it out with new heat requirements, thats always cool, cause if it works and u can't afford it yet, wait and it should fall in the budget at some point.
11 years and counting on an H100i passed down to nephew's system now cooling a 10700k instead of a 3770k now... I guess it's an old soul that can't be stopped at this point lol
no idea why people say AIO are bad and leaks, if its faulty maybe yes, but i have a Corsair 110i GT 280mm AIO from 2015 and still using it til this day on my new set up 13600K, P cores goes to around 5.2Ghz and undervolted, temps never reach over 70 C
Recently retired a a 11 year old Thermaltake water 3.0 120mm AIO when the pump finally died. The pump had outlived one pair of push pull fans. And it had spent many of those years just on 24/7 with lots of gaming.
I bought the LS520 and had it a few months already. One of the fans began vibrating and making noise. DeepCool did replace the fan, however, the other fan has made noise momentarily. I like the AIO, the only down fall is the fans are cheap.
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That bag is inside the radiator and it's pressurised to a certain amount, when the liquid temperature increases the pressure will also increase and the volume of the bag decreases to maintain a constant pressure inside the aio. It works like a reverse water expansion tank that you usually find beside an electric water heater.
Exactly! And that's why I got the deepcool castle 360 in 2019 to throw on my brand new 3700x. No problems going strong front mounted.
Was about to comment this, for some of these videos I really wish jay would invest 5 mins more of really understanding the Idea.
Edit: It's kinda nice that, as a side effect, you can refill this AIO with distilled water in case too much diffused:)
@@Ahniiit's shit like this that keeps Jay well and truly in the "entertainment" category. I watch almost all of his videos, and I do enjoy them, but sometimes he just starts chatting absolute bollocks about things he could have understood with like ten minutes of effort.
I mean even the pic he showed shows it sticking out so you can freaking see it with a big arrow that shows how air is what comes that way. OR he could read the paragraph right next to it..... How would that even work. That doesn't even make sense. I think he's smoking the stuff bro.
yup, for a dude with the kinda cars and tech he deals with every day, his choices on the camaro rebuild, his pushing of new over used gpus, and constant lack of research firmly keeps him out of "authority" on things@@TheSkiddywinks
The LT 720 Deepcool aIO is rated as one of the Top 10 AIOS globally. They use their own custom Pump instead of the Asetek imported by others. Also they're very reliable.
I have a white lt520, and have loved it. The infinity mirror over the pump and plate is one of the best looking on an AIO in my opinion.
Just bought the 360 in white. Can’t wait to see it in the system. The simple connectors to the mobo header is nice to see. How have you found the performance and noise?
Yes!! The infinity mirror looks great
Backstory for Jay : Deepcool once sold a case with a build-in AIO called the Deepcool Genome. Super cool case with the double-helix AIO. The AIO had issues exploding due to pressure build up. They modified it for the V2. Ever since Deepcool has been all about this anti-leak technology
I went with the Deepcool LT720 for my first ever PC Build (built the PC a few weeks ago), and I LOVE IT! the AIO looks so nice and it has been cooling my 13700K nicely and pretty quietly. I have no complaints so far
so far... AiOs are not made to last, they will fail at some point.
@@wherearemytesticles They can last 5 years if you're lucky. I was against one at first, but after the next gen Noctua air coolers got delayed and after hearing how hot the 13700k can get, I decided to get one
@@wherearemytesticles A decent AIO will last at least the lifespan of your gaming PC if not longer. I've had 4 gaming PC's in my life and only one of them I kept for longer than 5 years before it needed to be upgraded/replaced to deal with the latest games.
@@wherearemytesticlesthat's a general issue with watercooling. Pumps can die, stuff can get clogged up (although that's usually an issue with the coolant), it's just a matter of fact that moving parts can, and will break eventually. Same thing with fans by the way. It's rare, but it happens. AIOs are the easy watercooling solution, and, generally speaking, a lot cheaper than custom loops, let alone the time you spend on those.
So, yeah. People are aware that they aren't made to last forever, but that comes with the benefit of low/no maintenance and easy replacing it
And so you can buy another one. They lasts years, not days @@wherearemytesticles
I took a chance and picked up a DeepCool AK620 for my build last year it it has held up fantastically and for the price it has been excellent. Plus I just love the checkerboard style pattern on the fins, it looks so good.
Same here. Grabbed the zero dark version of the AK620 for my 7900x build and it’s been fantastic for the price.
Hell yeah it's awesome. Running an undervolted 13900k runs great for gaming.
Same here. People had high raves about it, so I took a leap of faith and purchased it. Keeps my 13700k below 50C on idle. No regrets!
@@hefty8876 hey i know its been an year, but may I ask what kinda temps your are looking at?
I just bought this cooler yesterday! Was kinda nervous about the idea of watercooling but this makes me a bit more confident about things
@@lurch789what a strange ignorant thing to say.
One of us! One of us! 😂😂
I just got the LT720. It's cooling my 7950x. I absolutely love this cooler. Great performance, loved the RGB too. Many claim that the LT720 (360mm) can handle the 13900k better than any other. up to 315w I believe
bought a LS720 about a week ago and i fully love it!
I just bought this a week ago. It is my first time leaving the ol' familiar air cooler. I appreciated the innovation, to ease my apparently unfounded concerns, and in doing so bringing old dogs like me in to unfamiliar territory.
I'm more concerned about pump failure than a leak with AIO's which often means the entire unit needs replacing.
Custom loop is where leaks are my main concern because more points of failure while pump failure not since it's replaceable.
pretty sure the bag is inside the housing and expanding there. You have the same system in heating loops for apartments with a gas heater. The "bag" just makes sure the loop is always full and under about the same pressure by expanding and shrinking with temperature.
just got mine and installed it in pop air mini , love it. happy to see this video because i was skeptical
I have a Deepcool Captain 240 PRO V2 that is still running perfectly since januari 2020. It also haves the anti leak tech you mentioned.
Very good temps and pump is still silent. I'm very happy i went with Deepcool.
I heard they produce all their AIO's in house.
Oh wow I'm interested in hopping into the world of water cooling with a LT720, so this video is greatly appreciated!
I got it just recently
And I'm planning on getting one in a month or so, along with a new case, also appreciative of the video 👍
I have the LT720 cooling my i7-12700k. Great cooler.
Go for it!! I bought the LT720 for my 13700k and it's doing great! I removed the stock the thermal paste and applied Arctic MX-6 and it keeps my CPU cool even under heavy loads
I got an Amazon deal and got the DeepCool LS720 (360mm) for 80 bucks!, Thing runs my 13700K OC to 6Ghz with no issues no thermal throttling NADA! Highly recommended.
There was this res that did the same thing. Let's see how this works! Thanks Jay keep up the amazing videos and your work!
I bought le520 240mm for my 13600k and I loved it. It was also said that it comes with anti leak. The performance also better for a budget AIO cooler.
I have a Corsair H100i I bought used with an AMD FX-9590 BE for about $130 several years ago and it still works great.
Im using a Deepcool LS720 for about a year now on my 13700k. One of the best AIO‘s I ever used. And that’s not only a subjective feel. Roman and Steve tested their products and they are equal to way more expansive aios
And yes it is not an asetek pump it is in house developed
does that mean they can only sell it to Europe?
@@ppsarrakis no why should they?
cause i read that asketek has patented having the pump on the cpu block but only on US so companies like Corsair made some weird AIO with the pump on the radiator for example.@@aqulex84
I assemble PCs for a living, dedicating 9 hours a day to this work. Over the years, my experience with Deepcool has been incredibly positive and consistently reliable. The LT 720 is significantly better than the Asus Ryujin II, even with Noctua fans. Based on my experience, all of their products are amazing and reasonably priced. However, my favorite coolers to assemble are their AK series for air cooling and LT series for AIOs; they never disappoint and so easy to assemble.
i used the gammaxx 400 v2 for two recent builds and they are actually really good coolers. definitely put deepcool on the radar for me.
Thanks for the honest review Jay
I bought the 360mm version for my 5900x after my h100i v2 failed (clogged rad)
Got a cheap pump for the cat water box on Ali and on a regular base I put near boiling temperature water in it to kill bacteria. I let it run until the water is cold then I throw it out and replace the water with new cold water. Works reasonably well to clean it.
That pump sounds exactly like it did when I first installed it. Pumps are capable of more than you think they are.There is a limit but that limit is probably >100c after all you want to remove the possibility that it dies if you forget to plug in the power.
I just purcashed one these, but a 360mm. Looks good, works well, and cant hear water. Significantly reduced my temps by 10c, over my 240mm cooler master. One thing I have noticed is hazing on the inside of the cube, after about 1 months use.
I've had a deepcool AIO for 5 years and it's been reliable as hell. I've pulled it out twice now in those 5 years to shake it and determine if there was too much evap and reapply TP. No sloshing even 5 years in. craziness.
As Jay said that so many don't, the cooling fluid strips ions from the metals, which is why you never use distilled water, being distilled it has no metal thus it will strip ions as it is electrically unbalanced. Use PC specific cooling fluid or de-ionized water and making sure all exposed metals are of either non reactive metals like Nickel or stainless steel (high chromium-Chrome content) or of the same base type.
there is so much incorrect information in this dumpster fire of a comment. suffice to say, distilled is the best coolant and you should refrain from advising anyone on pc's.
I have the LS720 series and have had no issues with it. Deepcool does make a good AIO.
Loveee my deep cool 240 aio, keeps my 9th gen cool at 5ghz. Also agree with jay they are bringing innovation and quality at a affordable price point. I really wish they would have continued the pump head with the glass and metal pipe in them... looked so industrial !
Well, the brand new one didnt blow up. But after a few years when the O-rings weaken the pressure compensation gets more valuable. It takes stress off the rubber tubes and seals because they get stressed from repeated heat and pressure cycles. Or get stressed LESS here, which would probably increase lifetime except for unexpected pump death.
In my custom loop with a u-flow radiator (x-flow doesn't work, gravity would make my reservoir overflow) I put in a pressure equalization membrane (looks like a bigger 1/4 plug) which lets air pass through but not water. This way my loop has always the same atmospheric pressure no matter the temperature.
I have the deepcool LS720 for my i9-13900k by far the best aio I've had been about 6 months of use no problems and haven't noticed any thermal issue's while gaming for hours
I have a deep cool 420 AIO and haven't had any issues with it at all. Can confirm, it's NOT an Asitec pump. It's their own inhouse stuff. Biggest reason I bought it.
The reason I love this channel is because Jay is just one of us - he doesn't try to be some super investigative journalist, he doesn't need 100 people on a team. He's just a goofy nerd who likes tinkering with stuff. Been a fan for years and hope Jay keeps putting out content like this. Tinkering is more entertaining than graphs and marketing.
I agree. It’s a great team and no bigger than it needs to be
i bought this one a few weeks back. been working well so far
Bursting tubes are something I've never really worried about with aios/water cooling. It's more things like an issue my friend had where the tube split, leaked onto his gpu and killed it.
I've watch quite a few videos on AOI's and apparently for one to leak is VERY VERY VERY VERYYYYYY rare. like almost basically impossible. Though the longer you have it the chance I guess could be higher? or you get a really really faulty one.
This anti-leak is functioning similar to an expansion tank on a home hot water system.
I would suggest looking up the operation and function of a boiler system expansion tank and you'll see what deep cool was doing with this air blatter.
Seeing it survive this type of torture test speaks really well to its construction! Great stuff, Jay!
Kind of hard to say it survived the test, it just didn't fail spectacularly. That is all we know for sure.
72C is not a high temperature to be honest.. Water boils at 100C. Most gpus and CPUs get hotter than that by far
@@flatmotion1 Did you watch the video at all?
@@flatmotion1 72C isn't a high temp for the CPU. The fluid temp, and pump operating temp (the part Jay was focusing on), have very different thresholds.
1) I'd guess you boiled the coolant on the first one where it pressurised with steam 2) I loved looking at the expanse PC sitting in the background
Bought castle 240 half a year ago used. Its so quiet that when i tried to check the pump, it was completely silent,with no vibrations,i couldnt sense its working at all. I had to trust the seller and take the risk
air expands way more then water under heat. So it could be that this security is making a difference after permeation removed water and increased air volume in the system.
i have been using an older model Deepcool Gamerstorm 240 AIO for over 5 years.. Yes 5 years since I bought it in 2018 to cool my i7 6700K, i had many doubts about this deepcool because i was not familiar with his brand and it was the only one that was in my budgetand it never leaked. I have removed and reinstalled the AIO multiple times as part of PC cleaning. It still performs well :)
Just bought the lt720 for my first aio. Love it so far.
Most of anti-leak technology used in these type of closed loop is filled with liquid and closed in little bit of vacum. That is it. Fluid expands when temperature rise so it is safer when before temperature rise start from lower preasure
It is about the permeation not active leaks, it is to stop increased pressure pushing the fluid out through the tubing.
We use that same tech in our tube heads for dental radiation technology. It does take a lot of heat and as you stated many other bad thing have to happen in order to get that much heat. I have a few pics of the ballon expanding on the tube head if interested.
As always thanks for the informative vids.
I rebuilt my PC this year and bought the 360mm version of this AIO, strictly because of the infinity mirror pump block fitting with the aesthetic of my build (infinity mirror case, infinity mirror Lian Li fans) and it's mint so far. Can't hear it in operation, easily handles my 12700KF.
I just completed a build using this AIO. The fans have a wine to them at some RPM ranges and I had to replace them. I live in a rural area so returning wasn't really worth the drive or effort back to Microcenter. I replaced them with Thermaltake Tough Fans which work VERY well. The temps on my 7800x3d are fine, not great, but well within spec 46 at normal and around 70-74 at load. Fan Control curve is running 50%-100% for the curve. I tried to repurpose the fans as case fans and they still wine. Maybe defect, maybe trash fans.... In retrospec and future I wouldn't save the $30 and just get something better. Hope this helps someone looking to build with this cooler.
I grabbed the lt720 during prime day for my then also new to me 7800x3d. I absolutely love this AIO! It looks great, I've yet to hear it at all and it keeps my 7800x3d very cool. I also only payed around $95 for it which is crazy cheap for a 360mm AIO!
I replaced my old Arctic Liquid Freezer 2 with this AIO, it's doing a good job for my 5600x. it certainly isn't as affordable but I love the unique infinity mirror design and you can re fill the radiator
Hey, Jay! Maybe you should retry this test with a brand new AIO. As you know, an old AIO will have lost some water mass to permeation, which results in reduced system pressure and/or air insertion, which would perform the same function as the bladder in the DeepCool. A brand new AIO would experience far greater pressure change. That said, those flexible tubes just might have enough elasticity in them that you still wouldn't get the same effect as heating an inelastic radiator.
It looks like an ingeneer test object project in a classroom .
Nice idea , good theory , doesnt need in practice.
water expand , air get compressed already in the waterchamber of the aio that is not fully filled up so baloon is pointless en technicaly needs a counter air pressure like expansion tanks , that already has pressure in cold state , have .
This AIO is also one of, if not the cheapest AIO at microcenter. I was looking at getting this one for my build because I thought the block/pump looked very thin, which I needed for my SFF build. Ended up getting the newer model Lian Li AIO that recently came out and modding my case to fit.
Damn, look at all that wonderful workbench area you have to work with! So much room for activities and unboxings. Shop is looking good, great content as usual team.
Interesting tech.
I think it works well enough because as Jay points out... there are other fail safes in the computer which would stop the AIO from getting that hot.
(e.g. your cpu will throttle long before the water temp gets close to a bursting temp. )
Liquids aren't very compressible, it doesn't take much extra volume of water in a rigid system to increase the pressure to failure. I could see something like this working. If you kept heating it it would probably keep it from popping any of the fittings.
The idea of the rubber insert is to keep the pressure low, when the coolant warms up it will expand and produce more pressure vs when is cold, with the rubber insert the pressure wont go up as much or at all (while within nornal operating temp range), so less pressure less chance to leak thru o rings and such.
I got an LT720 for my current build but the pump went bad after a few months with a horrible grinding sound. There support was great they even cross shipped a replacement. Asus wont even do that without paying them money.
19:20 Jay, the difference between science and screwing around is writing it down, or in your case, recording it.
This, by Adam Savage's definition, is *absolutely* science!
If the pressure is reduced at hotter end then it would reduce possibility of leaks at cpu plate seals as well cos I imagine the pressure is what starts the leak.
It probably doesn’t need much volume, just enough to cover the liquid expansion.
My NZXT Kraken X52 is now 7 Years Old and it still runs as good as new :D
I'm a proud owner of the LT720 and can tell y'all, it's amazing.
Pure physics: if you heat a liquid too much it expands. The AIOs are not completely filled with liquid and have room for liquid expansion. You try to fill the AIO with liquid to the maximum and heat it and there you will see that it does explode.
I've wondered if the misconception that the coolant temperature is always similar to the component temperature partly has to do with people saying to have fan speed controlled by the coolant temperature but fail to mention that you'd want a different fan curve.
I'm _pretty_ sure there was another AIO that had that feature a couple/few years back. No idea what it was, but I definitely remember seeing a video about it. I think they called it a valve though, it was a piece that would pop out.
yes there was, nzxt or fractal i think.... gamers nexus tested it
I've seen the same thing where if it's not the pump failling, it's a leak from the o-ring around the pump. The liquid did fall on the motherboard but not on the graphic card.
The user told me he noticed his PC was getting drastically way slower and was shutting down after a certain amount of time so I told him to boot up the PC into the BIOS on the monitoring tab.
I saw the CPU temperature climbing and climbing in the BIOS getting over 90C so I told him to bring me the PC because as opposed to what he thought, it wasn't a thermal paste issue because I did the application myself less than a year ago.
I took off the graphic card, cleaned up the traces of liquid with isopropyl alcohol and cotton swabs, replaced the leaking AIO with a brand new one, redone the thermal paste application and he didn't have any issue ever since. It has been close to a year now.
I'm rocking the LT720. It's a beauty!
I'm glad you're doing ads for that Montech. I bought the Air Max after your video and could not be happier
I love my Deepcool AIO (I don't have this one but I have a different one) its been super awesome so far on my 13600k
with all drama in the tech community running apart, its nice to have a breath of fresh air
My room-mate has my old Deepcool 360mm AIO.. it's well over 5 years old at this point.. and still going strong
Interesting, so you can add/replace the fluid from that bladder hole?
I think AIO's are typically closed loops, that you can't do anything to the fluid.
You should have put the inlet/ outlet tubes to the radiator on top of testing set-up (and higher than the pump). That way it would be in the configuration it would be in a system. Also, the relief point would be at the highest point of the loop, increasing chance of failure.
Had a deepcool castle 360 AIO. Got it in 2021 died 2023. Leaked all over the system, but the pc still works. Never getting an AIO again.
I believe it is like the air bladder on your home water inline expansion tank that will release air when the pressure gets to high.
I actually really like the look of that AIO... if they have it in white that would look great in the build I'm planning for my SO.
it's a heat expansion lung ,when the liquid expands , it will compress the rubber lung ... its possible to connect a very sensible pressure gauge (mbar) to the small hole to see the lung being compressed when it heats :D
thats what he said no?
@@HG_Chiron yes , it's only complementary ,to help some viewers understand how it works , we can find it in liquid filled compass, high voltage oil cooled applications , where we need a liquid without air , but needs to expand when warmed up .
I'm actually impressed with the DeepCool AiO, I installed the 360 variant for a customer with a 13900K on an MSI Z790 Carbon wifi ( If I recall the board name correctly ). Out of the box it got over 40k score in Cinebench R23 and the CPU temp never got over 86C°.
"If you get 5 years out of an AIO, you got your money's worth multiple times over." - Jay
Yessir, I picked up a Swiftech H220-X in 2015 for $150, still running strong today.
Funny thing, I was just setting time aside this weekend to flush it and refill. Great timing on the topic lol.
On the third side of that coin ...
you have a plug, so a few years later when fluid permeates out you can easily crack it open to add some.
Soo many aio's dont have a user removable plug
Air bladders inside radiators or anything that holds liquids used in a sealed system that expects heat isn't anything new. You have them in a cars brake fluid reservoir, water heaters, and radiators.
in the past, deepcool had lots of aio leak issue, thats why i had trust issue with aio & go with air cooler instead
I have an old ROG certified Genome Gamerstorm case. V1 from memory. I've had this for about 5 years now with daily use and suffered many heavy overclocking on CPU and many stress tests.
The stock AIO that's built into the case is still going strong.
I've had 1 issue with it where the pump seems to have stopped working and the pc shut down. A few 'if it's already broken, I can't break it more' taps, and it's been working again for the last year without any further issues.
Great, now I am looking at my 5 year old Fractal Celsius S36 AIO the same way you were looking at this radiator waiting for it to fail. Thanks Jay
I've been running a 3 set of their FC120 daisy chain fans in my build and I'm a fan (no pun intended). They daisy chain through a cable instead of pogo pins so they aren't as fancy as Lian Li or Corsair, but the fans do mount to each other very solidly. I still have some Corsair fans in the build as well and I've been toying with ripping those out and just getting another set of the FC120 to get rid of the commander node. One annoyance is that they don't have any 140 fans in the FC line and their support told me that they don't have any coming out anytime soon.
I have this AIO and it works great.
I’ve been using Deepcool’s older Castle 360 AIO for over 3 years now in my pc. It seems to still perform just as good as when I first installed it. In the AIO space I think Deepcool does everything right. Great performance, attractive designs, reliability, and more affordable than most of its competitors. I can also see the “leak proof” tech indirectly be something that potentially extends the life of the pump by actively reducing the loop pressure. Not entirely sure if that is happening in practice tho.
IS won't leak! I love you guys!
I have an LS720. It is honestly the best cooler I have ever had. So quiet. And my 5800x never goes above 65 at full load.
I purchased my first AIO, a Fractal Design celsius S36 nearly 6 years ago based on your review of it ( it will be 6 years on the 29th december 2023 ) and it is still going strong. ive had to repaste it a couple times and going to do it again soon but now that youve said that youre lucky if youve had one last 5 years, im kinda nervous now...
Jay, you missed the engeneering idea.
Usually AIO is a fully sealed system and when you're operating - liquid increases its volume. When you turning off your PC - it cools down and volume (aka pressure) goes down.
And now imagine this happens every day, every week, every month.
How many cycles for volume/pressure increase/decrease it will create? And all those "spikes" will be harming all the sealings in AIO, ,there is no places for pressure to go. It will put all the force on plate/connections. And water sand the stone over time.
What this system feels to be - compensator, that takes this everyday expansion on it, instead of mechanical parts.
I had a Corsair H80i V1 that failed in the cold plate oring and started leaking. It didnt damage anything though and Corsair was quick to replace it with an H80i V2 though so that was good.
I personally use air coolers like the Dark Rock Pro 4 as there's no chance of it ever failing other than aging thermal paste on the CPU and the fans. This cooler is massively over-sized for my AMD Ryzen 9 5950X but wanted to make sure it has enough cooling power regardless of the load on it.
Yeah Deep Cool seems to be one of those companies trying to figure it out with new heat requirements, thats always cool, cause if it works and u can't afford it yet, wait and it should fall in the budget at some point.
11 years and counting on an H100i passed down to nephew's system now cooling a 10700k instead of a 3770k now... I guess it's an old soul that can't be stopped at this point lol
at 4:30 min in, im so excited to see jay heat this rad up
no idea why people say AIO are bad and leaks, if its faulty maybe yes, but i have a Corsair 110i GT 280mm AIO from 2015 and still using it til this day on my new set up 13600K, P cores goes to around 5.2Ghz and undervolted, temps never reach over 70 C
Recently retired a a 11 year old Thermaltake water 3.0 120mm AIO when the pump finally died. The pump had outlived one pair of push pull fans. And it had spent many of those years just on 24/7 with lots of gaming.
I have a Deepcool LT720 cooling my 13900k currently and I'm happy with their AIO for sure. Hopefully I never need the anti-leak though!
I bought the LS520 and had it a few months already. One of the fans began vibrating and making noise. DeepCool did replace the fan, however, the other fan has made noise momentarily. I like the AIO, the only down fall is the fans are cheap.