Undercover boss finds out just how evil graduate job applications are
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- Are graduate scheme applications REALLY as bad as students claim? I go undercover and find just how hard entering the job market has become in today's special episode.
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I read about an employer who was telling a guy that nobody wants to work because they've been trying to hire people for months and were getting no takers. The man said "My son applied to your business online and got no response". Apparently, the software was rejecting all these applicants. The employer had no idea.
Well, yes and no, the organization set those parameters somewhere so someone knew, but likely wasn’t telling the hiring manager.
Pathetic employer, if you want people to work for you you should literally go door to door and ask the people if they would like to take the job your offering. Dont expect the hiring work to just be done for you unless your willing to hire on the spot someone who just walks in to the office one day. The more picky you are the more effort you have to put in to finding what fits your expectations.
Yea Id fire the entire hiring department if they made a webpage like this - Im paying you look trough cvs read aplication letters and do interviews! If were letting an algorythm do it I dont need you I could get together my programmer family and make a better websight myself.
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 i was working as headhunter for a (very succesfull) start-up specialized in poaching, if a company actually wants a specific candidate, they will literally just pay someone to "have" that candidate. Everyone else is just a replaceable cog, and depending on your chef, you will be treated as such.
Well maybe *the employer should have done their due diligence before publicly launching their software program*
Somewhere exists a thread where someone listed all the occurences of the phrase: "Nobody wants to work anymore!" in newspapers. The oldest entry was from 1910.
Where was the question "Are you 21 years old with 40 years experience?"
What's funny is in my industry (software), there have been plenty of posts where companies are asking for experience and technical knowhow that either the inventor of said technology has said they don't even have, or experience so long on a specific technology that hasn't even been around for that long. Those are the best ones.
@@JenkkimieI'm trying to break into the IT industry, and I can't tell you how many "entry level" jobs require at least 5 years of experience, or some ridiculous certification requirement, like a CISSP cert.
@@charlesmartinjr3971 Yeah it's dreadful currently. If it helps you any, a lot of senior engineers are very empathetic and they feel your pain as well, and trust me they struggle with that feeling as much as you do. I've seen so many videos of senior devs talking about the absurdity of current hiring practices especially for junior developers. Hopefully it changes as soon as possible. Have patience, be forgiving to yourself and understand that the current circumstance is wonky and it's not your fault and has nothing to do with your skills. It's the recruiting that's currently off but it will not be like that forever.
In the meantime I recoomend expanding your skills and familiarity with several technologies. It's good to have few programming languages and technologies that you know well.
I wish you all the best in your professional career!
@@charlesmartinjr3971 Yeah it's dreadful currently. If it helps you any, a lot of senior engineers are very empathetic and they feel your pain as well, and trust me they struggle with that feeling as much as you do. I've seen so many videos of senior devs talking about the absurdity of current hiring practices especially for junior developers. Hopefully it changes as soon as possible.
Have patience, be forgiving to yourself and understand that the current circumstance is wonky and it's not your fault and has nothing to do with your skills. It's the recruiting that's currently off but it will not be like that forever. In the meantime I recommend expanding your skills and familiarity with several technologies. It's good to have few programming languages and technologies that you know well.
I wish you all the best in your professional career!
and ofcause the enthincity/lgbt question, which if you read the average employment advert is the only question they're actually paying attention to
Now imagine doing 500 of those applications and getting 20 rejection emails, 2 interviews followed by rejection, and 478 ghosts.
The story of my life since June 2023.
Since December 2023 (when I graduated). Been applying since a year before for internship though. Of course, no luck.
You actually got up to 20 rejection replies? Nice
@alfayedmalik4273 I've applied to 1,509 applications, received 27 interviews/tests (mostly scams), 183 rejections, and 1300~ ghosts.
@@Khroniclasexactly the same for me. Also, since June 23
"Millennials just don't want to work though."
No, legitimately a lot of us spend a full time's job worth of work every day to get ghosted by companies that do this to us. We rarely ever get a phone call or interview, just flat out nothing back in return.
I'm fortunate enough to have a fulfilling career and financial stability through hard work but my friends work just as hard as me, actually harder most of the time, and are miserable or unable to land anything. It feels completely like luck of the draw.
Even then half of the websites are barely functional, so it takes literally hours to fill out an application when it should be a few minutes and we're just expected to do so many a day just to have the chance at a job. Looking for a job now is literally a full time job.
Was unemployed nearly 8 months last year. Recorded all my applications in a spreadsheet, and I totaled 141. A decade of relevant experience and most of the certs they wanted. I head back from 4. Got an interview with only 2. One said I was hired, and then dumped me 3 weeks into onboarding, so I never got to start, and the other was where I’m currently employed. It’s actual hell trying to get employed today.
Maybe people should just stop playing that stupid game, like crossing their arms and not applying for any jobs at all.
Maybe all the unemployed should start an union of sorts for unemployed or something.
This and all the other replies to your comment. The sheer scale of the contradiction in the economy between official statements from the government highlighting the hundreds of thousands of jobs that employers add to the economy each month and company exclamations of "no one wants to work anymore!" and the insanely difficult application grind, ghosting, and endless rejection of applications by companies, coupled with the companies' obsession with only scheduling skeleton crews for day-to-day business operations. I am coming from an American labor market perspective and it is absolutely insane here just trying to get a hiring manager to even look at an application, let alone do so without automatically dismissing the application for one insanely petty reason or another. I finally, finally got lucky after more than a year of application grinding and got a job. My wife if currently going through this obscenely torturous process and has been grind applications at a rate of 10+ a day for months now and has been rewarded with only rejections.
@@mcsmedia8081 my partner recently applied for two social worker *training course*. You needed an undergraduate degree already which she had. It was a two year course to get you to be a qualified social worker. She already had two years work experience at a mental health residential home looking after people with complex psychological needs for less than our friends make at subway and Lidl.
The entry requirements for both training programmes were initial cv and background docs ect. If you passed that you got to answer several detailed questions about your motivations and experience+ scenario questions. One made you record your answers on video.
Then if you passed that you got to do a half day online assessment centre day. The assessment centre involved a standard interview + group tasks + roleplay sessions + rapport building with a real service user ect.
This is the stage she got to before being rejected from both. She had waited months and months for them to finally arrange the assessment days. She had been learning to drive for months because both programs required it.
We got the feedback from them and for most sections they said she had done well but just needed to do more. "You demonstrated competency and confidence but we would like to see more". Somehow. Most sessions were half an hour at most. In the raport building she was told she showed enthusiasm for social work and the individuals... But not enough interest in the program itself... In a 15 minute conversation with a service user that was supposed to demonstrate raport building.
Essentially they were testing to see if you could already do all the work of a social worker. I told her that if she could complete all those tasks that perfectly then she should already be a qualified social worker. It should have been a fucking job application not a training programme
And ofc they said it was very competitive. But the first assessment centre she was at only had about 15 people for our region. I assumed they would be taking quite a few candidates and only looking to drop the really shit people but apparently not. I guess they only the 'best'. Those who can jump through interviews hoops most effectively. Those who can do a stupid roleplay scenario well
We're supposedly so desperate for social workers. But having a related undergraduate degree and two years experience in psychological care work isn't enough to even get you onto a training programme to become a social worker. And tbh while on that training course she would have had to take a pay cut on the already barely above minimum wage that she gets to deal with schizophrenics and drug addicts most days.
I'm still mad about it. I was bigging her up for months. I know just how competent and dedicated she is. She does more work at her job than her managers combined. Everyone turns to her for the answers. I was positive she would get it with her knowledge and care and experience.
Now she's stuck. Has to wait another year to try again at that. Only has another year where she can apply because after that it's 'been too long since her undergraduate to do the masters component'. Can't pivot into psychology/therapy without going back and doing a new undergraduate because conversion courses are very rare. Looked into care regulatory roles like compliance officers and there's no way to get into that. There's no jobs available and no entry path.
Her only option is stay in a job with terrible managers with the hope one leaves in the next two years so she can move up to take on more responsibilities for essentially equal pay because managers don't get nights shifts. Or just leave and work in a fucking shop because they at least pay a chunk above minimum wage and don't expect you to know how to manage complex mental health needs and care regulations.
Give up on her dream and waste her degree because nobody can be bothered to teach educated and passionate grads.
Nobody wants to work like fuck😮
P.S. this is the UK and our economy is just fucked. Nobody here even knows what business dynamism means anymore.
Related fact, I'm a data scientist working at a consultancy that's struggled to find a contract for me for 9 months now. That's how great our corporate world is doing.
"You should be applying at 10 places a day!"
That's . . . that's more then 15 hours of work bro . . .especially if you're going to write a unique cover letter, tweek your resume for each job, etc.
Exactly! New resumé each time!
15 hours of UNPAID work on as well
Human resource people are crazy
@@Allantitan Prepping you up for the actual job, lol 😂
thats not how resume's work
this is literally what NOT to do
I remember taking over 2 hours filling in an online form. Loads of 'give an example of you in this situation' etc. Hit send and immediately an email rejection. Immediately! What the bloody hell. I'm still angry 20 years later.
I spent about 4 hrs on a simple application, if I recall correctly, and spread that out over several days, because I didn't want to mess it up. It was so disheartening. I had to rewrite the resume, and customize the CV.
Awful
@RayspeedRider aww don't be angry, so that company missed out on your skills and talents, they'll just have to get over it!!
Been there.
_I'm still angry 20 years later_
I have a similar story you might enjoy. One day my mother called me, and said someone just called about a job offer. The thing was, I moved out 20 years ago. So this recruiter, was actually calling 20 years after I filled out the job application.
It's not just unacceptable, it's unprofessional, it's embarrassing and it's absurd. They should be ashamed of themselves
They're not and no ones gonna do anything about it
They'd have to get a clue first. It's a core-incompetency issue.
I recently went through the hell of trying to get a job, and it really is soul crushing. You can easily spend ten hours a day filling out redundant forms, answering inapplicable and nonsensical questions, recording "interviews," and then never hear back from anyone for months on end.
That's what messed me up most! The vast majority of my applications never triggered ANY kind of reaction; not even an automated mail saying "Thanks for applying, we received your info." let alone anyone ever giving me any feedback or answer. A lot of places I applied to never even contacted me to tell me they rejected my application. It just ended in limbo somewhere "marked as read". Shows you how valuable your time really is to a lot of companies.
Worst part is you cant even hold it against these companies all of the time because for example with some company I applied to multiple jobs and one recruiter was very communicative and the other didn't respond at all, failed to call be back at pre-appointed times etc..
The expectation is professionalism but they do not in turn act professional.
There is also a special type of hell when you fill all of this out on a jobseeking website, upload the CV, make a custom cover letter and fill out their exam questions...and then after submitting, the company you applied for MAKES YOU DO IT AGAIN ON THEIR OWN WEBSITE.
Oh for sure sometimes I think that maybe we are there.
It's bad enough to crush our spirits but not bad enough for us to actually do something drastic to escape...
And then you get harassed by scammers for the rest of your life
Applying on jobseeker websites is a scam. Every single time they won’t get it. It’s much better to do it through their website.
Don't forget about the people interviewing you asking you the same shit AGAIN because they haven't read a single f*cking thing
@@kamikeserpentail3778 it is for some. we just don't hear their voices because they're not here anymore.
What's worse is that I can almost guarantee that none of these 3 applications were seriously looked at and all were almost immediate rejections with no interview. 😭
and the companies probably sold his info he put into the application ...
Obviously
That was done ôce your didnt checked one of my familly memeber work there or i worked there previously
They take 90% of new recruits in that pile
Definetly. They lpoked at the application didn't see the key words and numbers they wanted (sometimes shot they don't even tell you, btw), and just simply ignored it because you are not their guy...right before they hire the person they have a relationship cpnndction to or a more veteran employee who did the job before for 2 or more years in another company already.
Why did they even need to ask for an application again, at that point?
no call, no email, no interview, no chance to even convince people you can do the job.
@@InTecknicolour why would you want to work in a place like that?
There are American college students filling out HUNDREDS of these and not even getting a single interview. Process is completely broken
And because students are filling out hundreds of these, there are hundreds or thousands of applications for every job posting. Which means companies have to come up with even more ways to automate filtering applicants, which means students are forced to fill out even more applications to have a chance of being considered. It's an arms race of inefficiency and inconvenience.
@@Darth_Insidiousit’s a vicious cycle… I have LinkedIn Premium which shows how many people have applied to a certain job, and it’s almost always in the hundreds. And most of those applicants probably don’t want that job in particular, they’re just playing the numbers game. The only alternative is networking and trying to find insiders in a company you want to work for who can put your application at the top of the pile.
@@Darth_Insidious I'm glad someone acknowledges this. Most of 'solutions' people talk about are at best a very temporary way that a couple of people might be able to use for a short time to get head before the becoming saturated and the system adding yet another hoop. They do nothing to solve the fundamental market failure
@@Darth_Insidious
Which wouldn't be happening if these students were actually getting responses to jobs (and being hired). It's a self full-filling situation.
Also helps, when these multi-billion dollar corporations don't downsize simply to keep their profit margins sitting pretty in the double digits. I know I am supposed to worship rich people for their accomplishments.
But I see nothing worth worshiping about someone who hordes money in the same way the woman down the street hordes jars of cat piss.
These issues actually sent me into a depression after I graduated. It just felt impossible. I ended up giving up on my dream and now work in an unrelated field to my degree. I just could not find a way to get on the bottom rung ladder without already having experience. I did not have the means to work for free, so I was stuck. I felt like I was bashing my head against a wall repeatedly everyday. They don’t even give a curtesy rejection email most of the time. Bloody waste of time.
Poor baby
do you need pacifier?
Pull yourself up by the bootstraps like me 😎
@@maalikserebryakov?
Same, spent 5+ years getting rejected for every entry level/grad scheme and enventually gave up and got an easy factory job.
@@maalikserebryakovbootstraps is bullshit nowadays.
@@maalikserebryakovif someone looked up toxic masculinity in the dictionary, it would just be your face. Congratulations
"Make every executive go through the process once a year," really means: "Make every executive _make his assistant_ go through the process once a year."
As. A former executive assistant, they don’t listen to our feedback.
If only they actually cared. Maybe then the companies would be by humans, for humans. Not by Dissociated Human in Money Acquisition Lead, for Desperate People in an Imbalanced Financial Society who Need Money to Survive.
@@Khangelamen brother. I was maintenance for a dealership and boy they ignored everything that I said needed fixed. These executives are arrogant people
So the exec is useless... typical.
Now go through that for months to a couple of years straight whilst having your parents berate you saying you need to find a job.
It’s not just the “get a job” it’s the suggestion you’re lazy.
After getting to the top of my career at 24 I went self-employed and still had parents telling me to get a job. My sister was cutting job adverts out of the newspaper and giving them to me and in the end I went and worked with my Dad to shut them all up.
Get your parents to fill in your applications.
Tell me about it! It's even worse when your parents themselves are close to retirement and haven't had to look for a job in decades. No matter how hard I'm trying to explain to them that the entire job market has become worse and that it is so much harder to land a job in the first place, they always make feel bad about it. Yeah, because I totally enjoy being unemployed and you calling me lazy for it 🙄
Top of the carrier at 24 and your parents considered you jobless? What@@travelwell6049
Same boat bud, stay strong. We'll get that breakthrough.
The really insidious thing is that once you do find a job, it only takes a decade or two before you are then too old and they target you for lay offs. And once you are laid-off as an older worker, you will never be considered for a position no matter what your skills are or how much experience you have.
Brutal Agepill
My father is experiencing this after being laid-off, he's now "over-qualified" to do a management position or work a menial job.
This is why you give them no loyalty and keep your LinkedIn up and change jobs every few years before they get the chance
The people in higher up positions have no reason for being there.
They constantly complain no one wants to work but will also use the excuse "so many applications yours must have gotten lost / weren't selected" as the postion still remains online.
They will holdout for the cheapest option then be surprised when it doesn't work out.
My father once told me, “If you ever want an education-go to your office, close the door, pick up the phone, and try to call yourself. You’ll be horrified.”
The new version is, “If you ever want an education-go to your office, close the door, fire up the computer, and try to apply for your job. You’ll be horrified.”
I mean-if you tried to call yourself, you would be horrified by the voice-mail maze: “Press 1”, “Press 2”, “For English, press 3”, “Your call is important, so we will place you on-hold for 45 minutes“, etc.
(Edited: added the preceding paragraph. Several people didn’t seem to understand my father’s point.)
I read this three times and I must admit I don't get it... The first part, that is.
@@RetiredRhetoricalWarhorseI don’t either… what the heck does this mean lol
@@libiith it means, call your company and go through the process required to be put through to the person doing your job.
from "press 1 if you require x" to "describe your problem to our shitty voice recognition software" to "if you want to talk to an actual human being, please hold the line"
Try to call yourself? I assume he didn't mean that literally, otherwise I'd have a couple followup questions. What did he mean?
What does it have to do with getting an (I am assuming) academic education in any field? I mean, you still need that degree in order to start making any calls, or what am I missing?
wait until you get an automated "NO" from every single one of those
Why would they take the time to tell you no?
Wait until you never get an automatic rejection email.
@@manoflead643 To give the illusion that someone looked at your application.
Or, you met our standard, but unfortunately, we filled out the position. Please apply again next year.
"we are so happy but ...............
NO.
dont fell sad your CV will be in our database" always something like that lol
This why young people don't have "work ethic." When I am in employement, I am only there for myself. You created this. I don't even conceive the concept of loyalty. If I did, it would be in the opposite direction.
Send this to those people who say "Just send out 20 or 30 applications per day. It's easy."
I had one application for a minimum wage job that took over 2 hours. I had an application for Subway Sandwiches that required me to "list the subjects of study in your elementary school". IDK, noodle necklaces and finger painting?
PhD in dandelion picking
@maalikserebryakov single handedly reprioritized agricultural resources, resulting in the improvement of local citizens lives, with low overhead and fast and efficient export of resources to the end user.
Aka: picking flowers
@@maalikserebryakovFrom chatgpt on "picking flowers"
Coordinated the meticulous selection and harvesting of delicate botanical specimens, employing a strategic approach to optimize the allocation of agricultural assets. Facilitated a paradigm shift in resource management, culminating in tangible enhancements to the quality of life for community members. Executed a streamlined export process, ensuring the swift and seamless delivery of floral resources to consumers, all while maintaining cost-effectiveness and operational efficiency.
I had to fill in an online application where they asked for experience and motivation, essentially a part of the cover letter, but they had a character limit. Okay, you want short and to the point answers I guess? Then I had to upload my CV, then I had to fill out my personal details like previous employers and previous experience, and then I got another box where they asked for experience and motivation, this time with no character limit. Why am I answering the same question over and over? Just read my damned CV.
The video interview is how they check for gender, race, ethnicity, and accent. In the US, it's illegal to ask about any of those things, so they just make you show them.
awesome. so cool. 🤩 🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠
Can companies doing this be reported? Bc I'm 99.99% sure you can report them. Also this is reminding me of the guy who's name is actually Juan but he started putting John on his resumes. :/
that is so sneaky
The law makes it so you can't directly ask. A video isn't against the law, but we all know what's really going on.
Every application I've ever seen and filled out has asked about race\ethnicity...
Not just graduate applications - in the last few years, regular applications have gone this way. All the same issues.
And surprise, surprise - EVERY one of these horrid online applications has resulted in zero response. Not even polite enough for a rejection 'email'. FFS
I am thankful I am just a few years off retirement.
I have been personally contacted by companies for my resumee, because they were desperately looking for new workers. After that and a brief phone call, most of them never answer back. Not even to say "you were not selected".
It seriously can't be that bad for companies if those are their recruitment strategies.
@@Wolftatze It's the same way with trades, all you ever hear about is the lack of workers. I've talked to bosses, companies, and unions for about a year. All they said was "wait we will get to you" or "don't worry i got you, i know the head/lead guy." Never got anything but a letter some months later saying we saw you apply and are now on a list please wait. So it cant be that bad, all these so called "issues" seem to be self inflicted fuckem.
during 2019 i was laid off due to budget cuts. At one point I sent out 60 applications a day (although with cookie cutter cover letters) of the hundreds of applications I sent out. only a scant handful sent me a rejection letter. I personally thanked each one. and actually thanking one landed me a job when I applied to a different position int he same company
@@Wolftatze Apparently I learned sending a rejection letter can put the company at legal risk as some people use it as justification you didn't hire them because X reason. so they don't send them unless you are seriously considered.
A lot of job applications for just basic no skill jobs have been like this for YEARS! Try applying at a retail store or even a restaurant position. You have to create an account just to fill out the application, go through a long process involving trick questions and you never hear anything back from anyone. There is no point to this other than to frustrate you
I have an MD and MSc, both in medicine, it's been 2 years, 10,000+ applications, ALL are rejected...
Changed my CV countless of times, did EVERYTHING under the sun to no avail.
It's a merciless world out here...
I went to get a Master’s back in 2014, then was unemployed for 6 months. I tackled the job search like a real job. I worked 9 to five M-F just finding jobs and applying for them, customizing my resume for every job (because you have to plant key words from the job description into it), uploading, then, if the company had a website, filling out the company’s website form. Full-time job looking for a job! It was exhausting. If everything went well, I could make one application every 2 hours. Sometimes it took longer than that. I also had a subscription to a website where I kept track of all my applications and prospects. It was like a database.
Which website was this to keep track of your applications?
I did exactly the same. In 2014!
So tedious. - I helped my daughter to fill out her new graduate nursing application.
It was over 20 pages, I asked my friend (a nurse of many years) for help and even with 3 of us working on it, it was absolutely infuriating.
Bad memories indeed
Hope she likes it, Nursing seems to be worse than High School with mean girls clubs.
And thats just one application, people are like "You have to apply at 10 places each day or you dont mean it!"
What in the blazes could they possibly be asking that takes up 20 pages?!? If they hired you then sure they'll need a lot more information in order to fill out the proper tax/etc. documents, that could maybe be 20+ pages of stuff. But for applying for a job that's just nuts.
@@shadowninja6689
These companies make it nearly impossible to apply or even get noticed by the employer, then they complain that "nobody wants to work" lol
@@SvendleBerrieshuh, that almost makes it sound like they are intentionally making it look harder to hire people than it is so companies are convinced they need them. So they can keep it looking harder and harder to hire. Weird indeed
When I graduated in the 80's, I sent a personalized cover letter and a copy of my resume to each prospective employer. I was invited to an actual interview and hired within a few weeks as a computer programmer. This new way would drive me insane I have heard the reason why so many job openings don't get filled is because of the clunkiness of these application programs
Because they want to discourage a maximum of people , and sometimes it's not even real job hiring notices. Like they re here to complete the law that ask them to """always hire""""
I am currently searching for a job. I wanted to apply to a job online and their form crashed 3 times before I just send them my resume and cover letter per email and asked them to accept it because their site keeps crashing.
I still have my replies letters from my 80's job search, most of them are hand written by the Boss and those that had nothing for me, often gave a name and number/ address of somewhere else they knew were recruiting, ALL wished me good luck on my search. Now I'm looking again, aged 60 and I don't even know if my application has been received or not????
Seems you gotta call and chase, Tracy.
Good luck with the search
Often they don’t get filled because they’re written by HR people who have no idea what the fuck they’re really asking for.
The job market is a complete joke. It's been driven to the ground so hard it's cracking through the other side. Employers complain that nobody wants to work because they don't realize that the systems they put in place to find workers are utterly broken and completely unusable, and if the worker DOES manage to get the job, they realize they're expected to do far more than what they signed up and are being underpaid for.
Now look up non compete agreements
One of the most difficult things is to convince your family (parents and grandparents) the times have changed. Today, finding a good job and a good partner is just too difficult.
This is beautiful to see because parents simply dont get how soul crushing this is. I assume you saw ones where they want you fill out every single module you did at university with every grade?
That was the second one, most ridiculous system I have ever seen
I've seen my children go through this madness. Personally I started my career with a full day interview process, with coding tests etc. Second job offer was during an informal chat with someone I met in a queue for lunch at a job fair, before the lunch was over. Since then a few years contracting and my current job I was headhunted for. My CV hasn't been touched for 20 years.
Hopefully this will be the same for current graduates once they get past the insanity of getting their first job.
@@hamishadamson4628it wont. This complex hoop jumping is part of the scheme to be able to ensure a company has the correct amount of "diversity" in their workforce. If they made the process easy and streamlined it would be easy to see when they're rejecting candidates simply for being white males. With all these layers of tedium and obfuscation (along with the oh-so-cherished "behavioural interview" that has FA with whether or not you can do the jobs you've said you've done on your CV) they can disqualify someone simply for not filling it out properly especially if they didn't check any diversity boxes.
If one continues allowing faceless industry to dictate the illusion that one must compete & prostitute oneself because some others will do it for less, then yes one pursues a soul crushing. Only way to change the machine is just change the shape of the cogs in it.
@@hamishadamson4628 sadly it is not. You were incredibly fortumate
That's just filling out the applications look at the job requirements. I applied for a entery level it position and it required 3 years of experience. I made it to the interview were I sat down for 2 hrs just to be told at the end. That they'd love to hire me but I don't have the experience. When I asked then why did you want an interview. They told me that they wanted to meet me. I asked why a entery level posted has a 3 year experience requirements and all I got was silence. I thanks them for wasting my time and told them good luck finding someone who has 3 years experience willing to take a lower paying job.
Spoilers: They won't.
Very common tactic to make conflicting requirements on the application. They know damn well there are exactly zero people on the planet with 3+ years of experience looking for low-paying entry-level work. That's the whole point. They do this so they can always have a "valid reason" for rejecting anyone who they feel like they don't like, i.e., people they feel they won't be able to screw over as easily, or maybe people the boss doesn't find as physically attractive, or even maybe if they're actually just racist or something and use it as a way to reject all, say, black people or something.
@@StabbedPerson Also bosses think they can get by on the workers they have and using that as a way to keep their bosses of their back about hiring more. (source was the last hire before a boss did this)
Yup, had that too, went through two interviews for an entry job ("might be a great opportunity from something just finishing university" - posting) and in the end they said, sorry, youre a great fit but we went with someone with experience. Cool.
Listen just lie, if they ask for references give them a phone number of a friend or even your parents. Either you'll be fired and nothing really changes or you actually do well and keep the job. No matter what you're going to have a net neutral or positive
I once had to fill out an enormous 20 page application including a "leadership quiz" for a position as a RESTAURANT HOSTESS.
I didn't get the job. I got the job where i walked in the door, handed them my resume, and got a phonecall that afternoon asking for an interview.
But you cant even do that anymore. Last time I was unemployed, I tried the pounding the pavement approach. Every time, I was told to fill out the online application. And i never heard back from most of them.
love this one. I apply for a warehouse job and was call in for a interview and got deny for not be the "right" fit... hint: they need a extroverted for a job, where you work mostly alone.
well i just move on since i was part of a employment agency and hade planty of work there. 2-3 week later i get a warehouse job from them, and get to the same warehouse i hade been to job interview with.
The short story is, 1 year into the contract big boss and the warehouse & HR manager call me in for a talk about buy me free from the employment agency and hire me. all i could do was dry laugh of them and stare at the warehouse & HR manager and remind them i was not the "right" fit. Left the room and got back to work.... end up working for them for 4 years as a temp worker.
If you work mostly alone, you are an introvert mate. Extrovert ja where you like socialising working as a team.
@@davidmarjason4222 Yeah, that was clearly the point.
2 things:
1) These 3 jobs are on the good end, most applications require you to write a few thousand words worth of answering boring but unique questions that you need to tailor to each job.
2) This isn't just grad schemes. You need to go through all of this just to work at Tesco.
Walmart has a 50+ question personality test as well. I was rejected as a night stocker for being "too team oriented," as if that makes any sense. Hiring manager said to my face that they want people who only care about their assigned task, not teamwork. So... you want one row stocked?
@ThatRPGuywithtoomanyOCs Sounds like they're trying to weed out people who might be interested in unionization and collective action. =/
@@ThatRPGuywithtoomanyOCs maybe they don't want employees to build a rapport with one another and get any scary ideas about ~unionization~
@@lepidoptery As someone who has worked as a walmart stocker, unionization would have been far worse than the bullshit I had to deal with. As for why @ThatRPGuywithtoomanyOCs was likely rejected it's because as a night stocker your main job is to stock shelves alone. You take a the product on the floor and you stock it regardless of who is with you or not, now while the personality test is bullshit I can understand the concern of hiring someone who only works good in teams for a position like a stocker (which the personality test fails to establish).
It's surprising to learn about for some people, but stockers are only in groups when someone gets their job done early or there is little to do.
Can confirm, I’ve applied to Tesco 3 times in my short life time, once at 17, once at 19 and most recently at 22, the process was needlessly hard for all three and never heard back. My gran literally worked at Tesco and coached me through my first application with no response
I worked for a company that was bought out by a Brazilian company. When they wanted to hire an engineer they interviewed a dozen applicants, putting them through psychological tests, ethics tests, multiple interviews over 3 days. The entire application process had nothing to do with their engineering training until the engineering manager had 30 minutes to interview each applicant to find out what his/her technical background and interests were. His interview was the only part of the process that had any relevance to the position being filled. In the end, HR ignored his recommendation and hired the least competent engineer based on their tests for management potential. The engineering position was purely technical, having no direct reports to lead and management potential wasn’t a required aptitude. We needed a competent nerd to perform tests and calculations, not someone to be groomed for upper management advancement. Guess what? After 6 months on the job the guy hired quit because the job was “too boring!” All that vetting process wasted the time of a dozen applicants and our department needs went unfilled.
HR is mainly filled with 100-110 IQ women. Expect poor decision making if you allow them to dictate hiring (a leadership trait) rather than merely perform secretarial/administrative duties (which is all they're good for on the best of days).
Sounds about right, specially (not exclusively) for a Brazilian company.
Then there's the joke in Brazil about people getting engineering degrees to drive for Uber.
Complete waste of time and money.
I'll just put that engineering degree somewhere safe and never use it.
People are just about done with all this nonsense. No future in working for any big company.
When my son left school he applied to an agency for a job and was asked what his graduate qualifications are. His response was, how many school leavers do you know that have a degree?
The media and companies want us to believe they're desperate to recruit. The truth is companies aren't interested in recruiting and media are liars. Then you wonder why so many people prefer to have their own businesses rather than submit to the caprices of companies
The thing with these applications is they dont find the most dedicated, most qualified people, onky the most desperate are willing to fill them out.
I got 87 rejections over the course of 8 month for my internship mandatory for my degree.
The worse one being called for two interview then no answer for 3 WEEKS despite calling them back only to hear "we will contact you in three to five day". When they finally called me they wanted a THIRD interview over the phone this time then 10 days later finally called me just to say that someone else got the job........ That was two months of my life utterly wasted. You can't make this shit up.
I got my internship at the other side of my country and I was accepted three day after the deadline of the school, the only reason I passed was because my teachers pitied me. About a tenth of my promotion had to redo their entire year because they couldn't find a damn internship.
Yeah, I'm probably headed in that situation too. We were talking to an industry professional, and while he might have been saying it to gas up motivating students to go to his university, he also legitimately brought up that right now is kind of disastrous for getting internships, due to layoffs everywhere leading to a surplus of experienced workers in the field out of work. Nobody's seeking new talent right now.
I've been exactly where you were, I lost count when I hit 70 applications.
It's honestly stupid
@@RePorpoised Agreed. There's Jobs but they really don't care about hiring, especially for Talent / Skill / Experience. Once, over 10 years ago, I remember a Shop had a "Hiring Sign" on their Window and they just said "Oh, that's just there. We're not actually hiring." I presume some jobs are always up so they can fire other people immediately and replace them ASAP.
It's gotten worse since then, too. People want jobs, people want money to live their lives to the fullest -- this will always be. People want unstressful jobs that cater to their best skills and experience. If it's too stressful, that's more money down to Health Insurance that you don't want to put down extra money for.
If Cities and Towns had a List of Jobs with Categorical Measures of Types of Positions at all times, it would be interesting to see the flow of Necessary Jobs in the Future. The concept of planning now to try for a Position that MAY be 150% filled by the time you're done learning is daunting, a waste of time energy and resources, and quite harrowing of an experience.
“The illusion you might one day be on the property market” just drive a stake through my heart huh
dude is blade out here finishing off the vampire population with hard truths
bit familiar to how things where 200 years ago huh?
almost like it never ended...the wealthy just figured out a way to make it more subtle.
i'm a surprise home owner
It is easy to get on the property market.
@@dansmith2863 Ha yeah right. There's absolutely no freaking way someone in my position can ever do that without an actual miracle. It's almost impossible for your average young person to make that happen, then there's people like me with disabilities, and you're just at the mercy of the world around you.
Thanks man, as a graduate looking for my first job now, this video kinda made my day
It's discouraging to go to sleep on a Sunday, knowing that rejection letters are on its way when I woke up, life must go on, but it's always nice to hear that I'm not the only one thinking that
I'm so glad I didn't go to college or do a Graduate Scheme. I really don't want to mess around with stuff like that. When I went to my first job interview, I did fill out a form, but I was present at the job center for it, and then I spoke directly to the manager and gave them my two cents. That's how it SHOULD be done, Paperwork AND one-on-one with a Manager, NOT "everything must be done on this list of forms and then you speak to a screen"
How old are you?
Today they want automate everything. Greedy to the nth degree.
As an older man I've been through the old friendly chat interview right up to the modern process and it all boils down to money. The more they can make the applicant do the less their own staff have to do in the vetting process, thereby saving them money. It doesn't occur to them that they're tilting the system towards those who are good at the job application skill rather than the job
That's seriously the truth. I've been able to get jobs within a week compared to my friends who used to take a month (I helped them which sped theirs up), all because I spent time to learn how to play the system. I've gotten jobs I was not qualified for a few times, all because I could play the system (and thus the companies) for a fool 😒
@@Akanisen049 While I admire your skill and virtue in helping your friends it worries me that we've essentially handed over important recruitment decisions to algorithms rather than rational judgement. I hope companies wake up to this before it causes real problems.
The amount of data they can sell especially with automated video interviews because technically it is not part of the application and part of the interview process.
While I am still quite new to my own industry (software), I have gotten high grades and high praise for my technical skills by my employees over the few years I've worked in the industry. Whenever I've applied to a new job position and I've seen those kinds of applications, I've dreaded. They ask a bunch of irrelevant questions and it just makes me not want to apply to beginwith. I'll gladly give detail on my technical skills but don't insult my intelligence and waste both of our times by asking nonsense, please.
Reminds me of one of the Discworld books where there's a nation that determines everyone's career by how well they write poetry. The result is a lot of terrible blacksmiths who are really good at writing poems about flowers.
You didn't even get into the "iq" style assesments, in person assesment centres and 5-6 stage assesment stages, writing cover letters, HR using AI tools to evaluate your performance, pointless "psychological tests", coding interviews etc. Its way more chambolic than you described here.
My friend got to the final interview stage, but the interview clashed with his final exam for the year, so they just stopped his application instead of rescheduling it!
I once had to do an IQ-type math test... I'M AN ARTIST.
And it's not that it wasn't enjoyable, I love these types of puzzles... just not when I'm applying to for a 3D animation job (or any job at all, jesus christ)
> Scores really high on assesment test
> still doesnt get selected for interview
> it's not even a top tier job
?????
@@superleipomantoo qualified, they feared they'd have to pay well.
I live in Japan and here, outside of Tokyo, they still are very mistrustful of online job applications. You can still walk into a business, CV in hand, and get a handshake and a brief conversation with a manager. I’ve gotten all of my jobs here by just going to the place I want to work and being very clear about why I want to work there and what I bring to the table.
In the UK they take your CV and bin it when you're on the way out.
@@ap4702 in the US they don’t even wait until you’re on the way out, they do it while telling you they’ll take a look at it lol
The exam score list is what got me. How are they expecting a 15 year old kid to know to and keep track of every exam they took. If you had asked me how many exams I took in the last 2 years at 17 years old, I would have had no idea.
Your GCSEs your A-levels, or equivalent.
Ie. End of KS4 and KS5, qualifications.
Then your degree.
Quite simple, and those are certificates you should keep, as even at age 50 I still have to prove that I have Maths and English GCSEs.
So, why is it difficult?
Remember these are for first full time jobs.
@tkralva.6668 I think it's a difference between the UK and the US. There's no certificate for standardized tests, and it's difficult to impossible to request old results. Pretty much all I have are SAT scores.
End of semester exams are not standardized, and retrieving those scores is a fools errand.
And when you DO get a job, you get to look forward to the annual ‘Employee Satisfaction Survey’. I’ve some beauties with 100+ questions, containing gems like; ‘do you get along with your colleagues?’. HR depts are the worst!
Well HR departments are staffed with people who failed out of every other job and have to listen to people whine to them about their co-workers. I’m fairly sure half of them want to burn the world to the ground and salt the earth so civilization doesn’t regrow.
Yeah filling those is annoying, but as a team lead it does allow people anonymity to tell things they don't want to say to face, though the older hands do not have that caveat and just come straight to me to complain of an issue.
@@Jaegerrants Don't lie. It's never anonymous. Co-workers have been singled out and burned on those.
@@notabannedaccount8362 I don't kindly to be called liar and my honour questioned, so be happy anonymity of internet protects you. And at least the software my company uses leaves no clues who answered what, and since it compiles the whole team in the results, I can only use it to see trends and how many of which score was given. could I try to figure out who they are, maybe but with the ammount of effort that takes, I'd rather fix it. Besides I'm not a white collar ivory tower boss, Blue collars rule, union reps and white collars can kiss my hairy arse, most of them haven't done a day of the work they proclaim expertise in.
Annual? I've had some that were *monthly*
As a recent Scottish grad, these applications are even worse for us. The high school sections are almost always only set up for A levels and GCSEs and often physically it is impossible to input your Scottish exams. And for university, most systems cannot grasp that in Scotland it is a 4 year programme, not 3. It is ridiculous to apply for a job in Scotland and have to select “other” for your Scottish qualifications
its a nightmare!
Would you mind clarifying a bit? Does graduate mean the same as a four year Bachelor degree in the US? Or does it mean graduate school as in post graduate Master's studies?
@barbarat5729 Yeah, graduates in the UK refers to people that have completed a bachelors degree.
Flipping funny.😂
I still cannot comprehend why Wales and Scotland are not independent countries 🇬🇧
In the late 90s I applied for a technical project manager position in my company. My background. 9 years comms technician in Army, 6 years field service engineer (in relevant field), 3 years international tech support role (with same company). I didn't get the job. To add insult to injury, the 2 PMs who interviewed me (who I worked with often) both said they recommended me for the post. I found out from one of the PM clerks the guy they hired instead was a pharmacist with ZERO comms or PM knowledge (confirmed later as I had to work with him), who had to be taught how to use a mouse!!!! but crucially, used to go golfing and sailing with the PM director. My manager almost had to physically restrain me from storming into the directors office....
yeah that's usually it, get as cozy as possible with people as high as you can. The official method is never functional.
It’s not what you know it’s who you know in modern day America
I remember applying for an internship for an entry-level IT position.
There were an application form to fill out and then 1 test they asked me to take.
After which they asked me to take part in 2 separate interviews.
After 2 days and quite a lot of effort they ghosted me.
Wow, love it.
Fun Fact:
All of those questions you are asked to fill out prior to actually submitting your resume are actually designed to filter applicants out of the market.
So unfortunately most people actually toss their resume in the bin before they even get to submit it, purely by their answers.
One such example is grammer and punctuation. The site can use AI to look, not at the content of your answers, but HOW you answered. For example, let's say you have the following question:
"In what year did you graduate college, and where did you graduate?"
Some people might write something such as:
"columbia university, 2014"
The AI can look at that and determine you didn't capitalize Columbia University, nor did you answer "correctly". You were asked the year first, not the college. This shows you can't follow instructions.
So if you wrote
"2014, Columbia University"
You'd be accepted as the "correct answer"
1984 levels of disturbing. Won’t accept you unless you are the perfect obedient little sheep.
Sounds like what they really want is to have their inboxes flooded with machine-generated applications. Somebody should just give them what they want and the issue will be resolved.
@@maxmikester8185 The weirdest thing is "Columbia university, 2014" is the correct method that we were taught in school. It was designed to failed but the dumbest of people and just follow orders.
I know its to filter out “unwanted” applicants its whats the animation and game’s development industry has been doing for years but tbh its just so unnecessary and now these hoops ppl have to jump in more professional level or higher education level jobs is now bleeding into other job fields where it’s just 100% unnecessary or pushing for more intrusive requirements or information, like over here there were retail jobs that required years ago to have your facebook page 😐 and if you didnt have one you had to make one, it was stupid got massive backlash and i still don’t know if that was made illegal to ask for something like that but probably not.
I think in general all these hoops and loops they make us regardless of the job is just rude and unnecessary, they should only want our job experiences and cv and other information like criminal history nothing else, if we keep letting companies and employers asking for more and pushing were going to get to a point where one percent or less of applicants get interviewed and more than half not getting hired. Like ive seen ppl asking for the most ridiculous shit like 30 year’s experience as art *insert role* and all it does is put off new ppl from applying and even trying in general because so many jobs want you to have years of experience but you cant find a studio or job to just get into to get that experience its so frustrating and yes i know its to filter ppl but its so stupid and counterproductive as you could be scaring off highly talented ppl by being a picky snob
@@Slidius That's not "filtering applicants", that's a straight-up datamining scheme. The jobs don't actually exist and companies are just collecting free revenue from the information provided by clueless jobseekers.
I remember when I was a student, i my final year at University in 1992, I took part in The Milk Round. I was interviewed for HP - Hewlett Packard - I did not get the role , after 3 rounds of interviews.
I found out that HP did not employ anyone, and used the Milk Round as a method of training their interviewers.
That tracks, HP is a hideously unethical company that consistently puts out atrocious products. Unsurprising that they were doing nonsense like this from the very beginning.
Diabolical.
That is disgusting.
And this is one more reason I'll never buy HP again.
@@FirstnameLastnames
I have to disagree, HP printers, especially their laser printers are brilliant, I dont like their inkjets. Also, their laptops are very good from an engineering point of view, miles better than the Dells we are forced to use because our parent company approves of them.
Give me an HP laptop any day of the week.
Thank you for doing a video on this. I graduated last July and it's so depressing having to go through these for months on end with either no response or a flat rejection after waiting weeks for a response. Nice to know my feelings of disdain for grad and junior application processes are valid
thank you boss for actually experiencing what many youngsters are going through the job search process!
came from youtube recommend
Lesson learned: They don't want you working for them. They see it as an act of kindness to look at your application, let you bask in the greatness of their webdesign. Only the very best should be treated that honor.
More accurately: They don't want you working for them, unless you are the perfect sheep. Otherwise, they just want to know everything about you and sell your information.
And they put the very best on minimum wage
All executives and HR should be required to go through their application process.
I've done the autofill CV and spent hours correcting and reformatting it.
Applied for professional job and no place to add my professional designation.
Filled out one where I had to put my experience for every line of the job description. It had every skill under the sun.
After being let go for no performance reason (but I coincidentally caught the manager telling a big lie to the team), I'm so glad to be retired and out of this treadmill.
I must have just gotten lucky with my first fulltime job a few months ago when I applied. I applied, had to fill in my contact details, attach my CV and fill in a text field for motivation.
I said I was still studying and would be graduating in a few months time, but their offer looked cool, so I wanted to apply.
I got invited for 2 interviews, one on site, and then I heard I got the job.
I've been working there for 2 months now, and am really enjoying it.
If every company is jumping up and down trying to find employees, why is the hiring process for you lot so hard?
I can soo relate to this, I spent days applying for lots of grad programs when I left uni, it was basically a fulltime job filling out all of the forms and doing all the various psychometric tests just to get an interview. That tech company you were applying if that was their process id instantly stop and look elsewhere.
These are called "How to ensure you scare off good talent 101"
When I graduated and started looking for a job I came to realise that companies are not looking for talent. They are looking for people who know how to keep their head down and won't complain when taken advantage of. Talent is an afterthought.
they dont care about talent, these businesses are nepotistic. They make the ghost application available to get government grants. If you want a job you need to network and have a direct line with the business. Screw HR scams.
How to get people prepared to Lie
I've heard people say the insane applications weed out lazy applicants.
@@greyspot00 If the company wants the sort of people willing to fill this crap out, I'd rather not work there. Must lead to a horrible company culture.
Big piece of advice. When writing your resume, and answering their questions, use the EXACT wording in the job advert. Just change it to apply to you Like "You must have experience with this tech"
Reply with "This job gave me experience with that specific tech"
BTW, Airbus, for several years, said they couldn't find "qualified engineers" turns out, their computer was tossing all applicants
That Airbus part really makes me mad. How did they not realise?!
@@Kalani_Saiko apparently, they didn't care. You had to match something like 100+ keywords. A reporter, working with an engineer who was qualified, exposed it. They submitted resumes under both their names, (using the engineers info) the actual resume for the engineer didn't get a callback. The "fake" one, using mostly keywords, did. It came out Airbus did it on purpose for some reason
@@jonathanwessner3456 In order to qualify for bringing in a foreign worker on a work visa it's often required to prove you couldn't find qualified talent already in the country. A lot of job openings are impossible to fulfill because they're actually for submitting to the government to get cheap foreign workers who are reliant on the company for their ability to stay in the country until they can get permanent residency.
This allows the company to cut staff costs significantly because depending on jurisdiction the foreign worker isn't entitled to certain benefits so on top of the lower salary, the employer isn't paying the employer's portion of certain programmes such as employment insurance or national pension programmes.
"this job gave me experience with specific tech" is not useful for fresh grads like the video is about.
@@trainguy4798then you put it in some other way like "took classes specific to this tech" The whole point is to use EXACTLY the words they do. Otherwise, the computer tosses your application and no one ever looks at it
And yet companies wonder why they can't find qualified people, and why unemployment is so high.
The issue is that companies want people with experience and no company is willing to take in grads and train them. The cycle repeats and neither the company or the students get anywhere.
I got super lucky with the job I have now, but I applied for many dozens of jobs to get here. Over 90% flat out ignored my resume. A handful sent an automated response. 2 of them actually reached out asking for an interview.
Now imagine you have ADHD which means having trouble doing just one repetitive, boring application, forget a hundred
This is why i am a translator, author and a programmer, and i still dont have a job.
Yep it's kinda why I did not want to be an office worker
I am legit also an athuor translator and programmer and have never sucessfully done a job aplication in my life, I wouldnt have even been able to apply for university if my mom didnt help me fill out the paperwork and I freeking dont even have ADHD.
Try other ways to apply for jobs. Net working events, linked in, recruiters, friends in the field, etc.
@@nleem3361 Ehem, crippling anxiety and paralizing shyness would like a word with you.
@@nleem3361 On networking events they tell you to apply on their website. Linked in is a website where you can find a lot of links to the same forms.
My feeling is that all of this hurdle is specifically designed for making sure that only the most desperate people get through. A normal person would just get annoyed after a while and move on, but if you're really struggling financially and you're in desperate need of a job you will go through whatever hoops they ask you to. And that's what they want. They want desperate people who will jump on whatever lowball offer they can get just to survive. And even then, you might still get rejected. It's insane
Move on to what though? All job applications are like this 🤷🏼♀️
@@bookcat123 I assume it's to discourage people who already have a job, so won't literally starve if they don't find a new one.
And this is why when I moved to France, after a year of this dreadful process, I decided to start my own business. Never looked back and now I get to look through each CV and get compliments when people are asked relevant and interesting questions. My team is awesome!
What I hate most in applications is if you don't get lists when they in fact would be useful. I work in Software development and I don't remember every freaking framework/technology I ever worked with. Give me a list for everything even remotely relevant for you and I then I can answer this properly. This used to be a thing about 10 years ago.
This is what it's like just filling out a job application. They want you to upload your CV, But then Want you to fill out everything on your CV on their application! UGH. but they want more! And when you've been applying for 100s of jobs. It starts to get so draining keep writing out every inch of your CV over and over again
If you manage to get an interview, 9/10 they didn't even read the CV or application, they expect you to bring a printed copy of the CV, and then will proceed to not read it in front of you.
Its application forms you fill in in your 60s that ask for all your exam results from 40-50 years ago. I struggle with this at my age! Most of the time, your exam results have absolutely no bearing in the industry I work in.
What was the GPA in high school. Thay was 35 years ago. All my teachers are dead. No, I can't get a phone number for a reference
I've gotten half way through this video and I'm inclined to reply along the lines of "N/A" or "Totally irrelevant" or even "Fudge Oscar" (only the far less polite version) for so many fields. The information requested is literally irrelevant.
I'd rather go out and find a job.
Exactly. What does your high school or college grades have anything to do with operating a CNC machine, plumbing or working retail? Literally nothing.
well at least you CAN fill them out. I am from another country and half the applications don't allow me to submit anything because we dont have examinations at age 15 and we dont have letter grades. just fiy I did my PhD in the UK in a half government half EU funded science institute. your government paid for my PhD and now I moved back to the EU because it's easier. Less xenophobia, less boris johnson, no brexit BS, but thanks for paying for the PhD :-) it was a top uni as well :D
Ive made up qualifications, never been checked, mind you I left scool in 1973
As an European 23 year old, I've only got 2 jobs, both call center, not my area of expertise mind you, first job held me for 3 months in an exploitive cycle before getting me fire for holding my contract rights to heart, second job held me for nearly 6 months, fired me on my birthday the exactly day i came out of vacation after because i was merely hanging to the minimum required for the job due to bad circumstances of the job. Ive entered the job force for 2 years now and ive worked nearly 9 months from those 2 years.
Currently im still unemployed and i cant even get a job at a supermarket nor get a job to build the experience for my area of expertise that they demand for entry level jobs fir said area. It infuriates me to no end to have all my life plans entirely alted due to all of this. Keep in mind ive sent well over 2000 applications in these 2 years and only 2 jobs accepted me only to throw me away like garbage.
what's your area of expertise?
@clarakhong1148 Design, 3D and 2D art, level design, 3D Modeling, Graphic Design, videogame development and concept art, it's what my courses gave me
@@senshi_dev_artOh, then you're out of luck. That's AI work. Go and learn a trade, it will be a while before those are replaced by robots.
@@senshi_dev_art Are you familiar with programming languages like python? (just familiar, you don't need to be able to program but if you can it's a plus)
Are you familiar with CAD programs like Revit?
Can you generate computer graphics?
Are you stationary (as in you have to absolutely stay at that location)? If yes, where in about?
@Nithavela its no AI work because I doubt companies want everything they make to be copyright free, as by the new laws AI made art is impossible to copyright unless you change at least 60-75% with your own hands. Also from all the stuff I mentioned there is stuff AI can't do yet.
The issue is a massive inflation of higher education workers.
There's orders of magnitude more masters or bachelors on the market today than 20 years ago, let alone 40
In the meantime the lower education jobs are being done by foreigners or contracted overseas driving the wages down
I recently started to apply for teaching jobs but now I am unsure on whether I should or not cause so many teachers are leaving the profession.
Guess the government solution? Fix the issues that is causing teachers to leave?
Nah, just bring in more foreign teachers instead, why fix anything if immigration is the fix-all-problems band-aid solution.
Why pay teachers more, treat them with respect and keep their workload under 40h/week when we can solve none of the problems by bringing in immigrants?
Ok, then explain all the entry level jobs requiring three years of experience. That's literally meant for people who have just finished their degrees.
@@KyrieFortune every single job listing everywhere has the required experience at one level higher than the actual requirement.
Much like the asking price on a house
Also, their requirement doesn't always make sense, they just need a filter
The truly insane level of highly personal information these companies insisted on getting is, at best worrisome. Also, speaking as someone who used to be in the IT field (including several years working on user interfaces), these three systems absolutely *reek* of the attitude & design capabilities of either upper management or hard-core coders... two groups with a marked inability to design human-appropriate systems.
Yes, it looks like no one did UX testing. Instead they just captured every HR requirement under the sun with no filter for relevance.
Quite a few of these companies then sell the data they collect from these. Many of these so-called ‘ghost jobs’ don’t actually exist, by which I mean they’ll never actually hire anyone for the position. It only exists to get as much information from people as possible in order to then sell that information to data brokers.
Yeah, I know some postings are fake overall to fish out information for scams, but I really believe actual companies (not just recruiting services, who definitely do) are also scraping data for research and to sell that to others.
Because capitalism, why not make some money off the job application process? What desperate people are not going to apply?
4:1 that it was not the coder xD Half of those websites dont actually work, and having worked for some companies like that, the internal web sources are shitty af, they get the worst programmers for the worst wage, and then still manage to screw them over so badly you feel for them.
One of them had a wiki that was to be used when talking to customers, it took atleast 3 seconds for each page to load, and on a lot of topics each paragraph had its own page, together with shitty titles and multiple links to work-orders (and standards etc). And then the management had the audacity to complain why new ones were so slow while calling...
Depending on where you are, it can actually be illegal for an employer to force you to answer some of those questions.
You know what’s even more frustrating? The fact that even the Jobs that are lower end and *don’t* require graduate level skills *also* put you through this. I mean seriously I only got the job I have now because I got help from my provider. It’s nuts that companies expect applicants to do all this and even if you pass it them you still have the interview to go through. Like why do I need to go through all of this to get a Job at my local IGA? The information you need is already in my resume why do I need to put it all in a second time
I watched a friend fill out a ridiculous application for just a sporting goods store.
The thing was deceptive. There were multiple times you thought you were going to be done with a "finish" button, but it just spawned more questions.
I was in software development back in the Eighties when personal computers were a brand new thing. The initial focus was to enable the user to get more done, mainly in the industry I was involved in by reducing filling out the same information on multiple forms, in a simpler way.
Over time, since software requirements were being decided by managers, the focus has switched from making the user more effective to providing more tools for management.
So as someone who has recently been placed at risk of redundancy this is just as frustrating as those who have been in the "workforce" for a number of years. 8 pages of information after already uploading a cv is mind boggling! Some of the doozie questions are the "voluntary disclosures" but pre populated with answers. Wanting 8yrs experience for an entry level position, the blood of your unborn child as well as the answer to a cryptic riddle...oh and a masters degree.
The problem ultimately is HR have got above themselves
The design of this is to the level of being incompetent. It makes me question why have anything to do with the organization sponsoring that site.
Don't forget these 2:
* costly certification for an entry level job
* approaching you because you appear to be a great candidate...and then asking for certification
😞
I love the ones that are "Voluntary Disclosures" That don't offer the ability to not answer, and if you don't select an option it errors and highlights them saying all sections of the form MUST be completed. So they aren't actually voluntary.
And most ironic part is 99% of that information is irrelevant because is some menial desk job. It should be are you able to this job up to specified standards? Guess what people are able to do job without diploma in field and also people are unable to do work even with diploma in field. If education system would be far more strictly and hold up to highest standards and meritocracy then by all means it could be indicative of your abilities but how system works now its joke, bar is lowered constantly with free pass just to retain "good" numbers while quality is tanking and this just cherry of top of fact that most fields, courses, diplomas, certificates etc. are completely worthless, irrelevant, obsolete or oversaturated on market to the point that is just waste of time and money.
Thanks for doing this. It's a massive red flag for me when I'm applying somewhere and they do these things. It's incredibly common and a sure fire sign that efficiency and quality of life are not highly valued by that organisation.
You are most welcome, thanks for the support!
The invention of HR was the end of productivity and satisfaction...
HR has its place. It is supposed to (theoretically) help employees do their best work and contribute to their well being at the company.... I don't know when it turned into the psychological torture department that it's become today.
@@AverageNerdTalksHR is paradoxical in its nature. It is there to help the company, not the employer, so if whats best for the employer is not whats best for the company (often isn't) they either betray the employer or betray the company. Best to get rid of it all together and deal in good faith and contract negotiations. I worked as an engineer all my life and i'd rather deal with employees and employers sound of mind and directly than with an HR in the way.
Applied to an entry level job during March of 2020. Did a phone screen with the hiring manager, two weeks later another call with the woman in the current position, another 3 weeks later 3 more calls with members of the team, another 2 weeks and had a mock project to complete then after another two weeks of waiting got a call from HR saying the position had been terminated...click. Called the manager and she fed me some bs apology. Whole process was 3 months of back and fourth for NOTHING!!! All during COVID which made it extra SOUL CRUSHING!!!
Check and see if that company somehow used your fake project and if they did sue them for unpaid labor.
@@existingistiresome Was a major bank any suit would be a massive uphill battle and cost more than I would receive in the end.
@@user-we6kc7jm8v damn, next time don't work for free I guess cause I bet they did you like that. It's what I would do if I was a money hungry monster.
The stupidest thing is companies use application websites which all require a new password every time
password managers help, but only to an extent. at some point, even they become "too full"...
"Include your CV file here"
"Now input all the information in your CV, into our form"
“Thank you for finishing the form! We will consider your application once you have submitted all the same information again in Morse code! Click here to start. You cannot save your process and if your internet fails you need to start the Morse code all over again”
Notwithstanding your frustration, Ben, the process DOES foreshadow the profundity of corporate pettiness and bullshit that applicants could (and should) expect for their entire professional lives. What a great deterrent! I wonder what their hiring percentage is if eager, young (but easily distracted) applicants were to actually NOT get frustrated and COMPLETE the application process!!
I'm certain that the reason they continually ask "where did you hear about this opening" or similar questions is not just to see where the best advertisement is but mainly to see if you have a connection. Here in the states the quickest route to getting nearly any job is to have a connection with someone at the company.
It's extremely frustrating for anyone trying to break into a new place!
This is great you are highlighting this as graduate entry but I'm increasingly seeing these types of applications for people who have been in their career for several years.
My pet job hunting hate is filling in forms AND having to upload a CV.
YES! IT IS LITERALLY THE SAME INFORMATION
“Do not put in please see resume “!
linkedin is taking some of that pain away
@@gregorturner4753 Those jobs are being applied to by ai bots. You need to apply old fashioned way to beat chat got job applicants
It can be good for fleshing out detail as CV's are supposed to be a short summary of your experience, but even so, I can ask about examples in an interview.
I worked for a PLC energy company through an agency for 2 years and my stats were consistently in the top 5 of my whole floor.
Then they had a recruitment drive where I could be given a proper contract directly with them.
I went through the full interview process like an outsider.
I failed to get the job I was already doing! Due to the psych test!
I proved them right by going ballistic at the management.
Luckily, they saw the error of all of it and overruled the psych test and I was taken on. After another year I was running a small department.
Then I learned a trade in night school, left and made more money than I ever would have if I'd stayed.
The second one you reviewed isn't just something you deal with as a graduate, I remember having to fill in almost all of the things you complained about during A levels as well. It was absolute hell to find the full information of all my GCSE's, but was also asked for proof of completion via photos of all the certificates for every single one, it was absolute hell
I don't know about anywhere else, but honestly? This is what applying for ANY job has been like lately, not just graduates. At least in Canada.
I thought this video was about burger flipper job applications lol
@@heroslippy6666I know a teenager that had to go to a 3 hour interview and business ideas process for a dumb cashier part-time role! 3 hours of insanity!?!
Seconded. In the USA, I had to go through all this horseshit and more, just to get ghosted by Costco & Home Depot.
Ridiculous how they ask you to assure you’ve been honest answering the (what seems like) millions of mostly unnecessary questions, yet still have the audacity to call it an “auto fill" resume.
“Works about as well as American healthcare” 😂
Brilliant!!
Honestly, you couldn't make it up
That's for sharing my frustrations. I hope in your audience you have people working in recruitment.
What a well edited video! Great job man!
It's this way for a reason. Companies want to have you go through all that to prove you are willing to put up with BS.
Well yes and no its to make sure can follow instructions this why componies now days wont acept old methods parents often advise like ealking in wiyh cover letter it will get your cv thrown in the bin fadter
@@demonic_myst4503I'm sorry, I only speak English. Can someone translate?
@@HarmlessRealityBreaker I don't speak broken keyboard either lol
they could have chatgpt evaluate your cv in a second with AI if they wanted.
those evaluated high could be automatically put into "maybe" bin to be looked and interviewed manually.
@@HarmlessRealityBreaker "Well yes, and no. It's to make sure you can follow instructions. This is why companies nowadays won't accept the old methods parents often advise, like walking in with a cover letter. It will get your CV thrown in the bin faster."
The happiest people I've meet in life are the people that went in to a trade right from school. They started learning and earning, some run their own business others prefer to be employed on a case by case basis as they always have work lined up unless they want to keep a month free for family stuff.
I'm not saying all graduates are miserable because that would be foolish. The majority (very small sample size compared to the overall number of graduates) have said they've never used their graduate education in their former or current field of work.
The latter is the most insane thing to me who has never been to university and never really wanted to. All that pressure and stress to write a thesis on a chosen subject which is then never expanded upon or utilised because the history degree graduate works in a call centre which is fair enough but there doesn't seem to be a plan beyond the graduation party.
Yep! My boss had an opening for an electrical engineer, and I put forward a neighbour who I trusted and had all the relevant refreshed qualifications. He had been working for himself, but late payers were taking a toll on his finances and family, so being on a steady income was appealing.
My boss asked if my neighbour was around locally to pop in, but he said he was on a job and didn’t have time to go home and change into smart clothes. My boss said don’t worry about smart clothes. When he turned up, my boss said it’s always good to see an engineer with fresh dirt on clean work clothes, as it means they’re not afraid to get their hands dirty.
The problem there is that most people view education as valuable only as valuable in so far as they can make money from it and not in terms of the value of information and learning itself. Anyone that can write a thesis has employable skills, they're just not directly transferable and employers want the easiest path to profit.
And this is why i love switzerlands education system so much. You get real work experience by interning, forming connections in the field and if you want to go higher, you can do so by going to specialized schools
This isn't even just graduate jobs. This is every job nowadays
I’m 36, and only recently graduated college 4 years ago. I’m currently unemployed because of this very reason. That and even after you apply, you probably won’t get it. It’s such a complicated process. It just isn’t worth the effort in my opinion. I’m autistic, and I’d rather walk into traffic than deal with it all.
Best way, is to go in person, and find outthrname of the hiring manager. Set up an appointment to see them, then go in and do an interview, with your resume handy, and give them a list if why they should hire you. If they ask why you didn't use their online avenue, say that the website constantly crashed.
@@RamblingRiyzenAs a fellow autistic and later graduate, this sounds like an even worse nightmare than just filling out the online form. In my experience, you would just get told to go and do the online form.
Sending an email might work, maybe, framed as a speculative application - and by “might work” I mean they “might” send you a rejection email if you’re lucky and it gets answered at all.
@@owlorc you tell them that you did the online process, and have read that many online systems have actually made it impossible for employers to find an application through them, so you wanted to help them. You have to sell yourself. It's something that allot of people have forgotten. I've gotten all my jobs this way. Even as recent as 2 years ago. Just need to put in the effort.
@@RamblingRiyzen What industry are you in, and how long ago did you graduate? Because getting an entry level job now is very different to getting one that requires experience - especially depending on the industry.
same same, i got my first full time job at 45 years old, a decade later i reckon its because they made an error
If asks me for a video resume... I am not applying.
If asks me for a cover letter... I am not applying
What _is_ the point of a cover letter anyway?
Why do you want me to write fanfiction about working for you?
It can be valuable if you have a particular motivation but the problem in my opinion is that you are expected to write it as standard which ends up being a bunch useless shit especially because you don't want to overshare before an interview. Now it's even worse because you're writing this letter for the algorithm first so it's really just trying to tick as many boxes in applications linguisticly as you can which is beyond stupid. @@MareSerenitis
This is the most validating video I've ever watched lol, I've filled out so many of these cursed job applications
The biggest issue I've been running into with my job search after getting my degree is literally just been places wanting a Bachelor's Degree and 5+ years experience for ENTRY level jobs. For internships, it's Bachelor's Degree and 3+ years experience. Unpaid internships? Bachelor's Degree.
Apologies in advance for the ensuing rant.
I've filled in so many of these forms in the last few months that I'm far more tempted by jobs on Indeed that are just "quick apply - upload your CV", which will generally end up being more dead-end, low paying jobs. You spend hours upon hours filling in these tedious, near identical forms full of absolutely nonsense questions and irrelevant information (why do you need to know what GCSEs I got 20 years ago when you've also asked me what university I went to?) and most of the time they don't even have the decency to respond to your application. I've got over 20 applications out there in the ether that I've received no reply to. "If you don't hear from us within x weeks, assume you've been unsuccessful" doesn't cut it, if you're expecting applicants to sit through these tedious forms, it shouldn't be too much to ask that a generic boilerplate email goes out to confirm rejection as a bare minimum.
Add into all that, and if you're on universal credit you're required to do all of this bullshit for 35 hours a week for a measly £350/month. The system is beyond broken.
After all that data entry, one of the HR people puts in a filter in Excel and just filters you out.
The only thing that should be important for an employer from a high school is the results of the final exam. Why do they ask for information until kindergarten?😅
Honestly it blew me away how much info was required
@@Ben-AskinsDid you ever recieved any feedback tho 🤔
I once saw an application for someone who included their nursery (UK equivalent to kindergarten) as part of their academic history as part of their application...safe to say I told him that it wasn't required and only as far back as his GSCEs was sufficient
@@feerobson3475 And yet, GCSEs are still stupidly irrelevant for most people.
You overestimate the Excel skills of many HR personal, we ran them through some other software for them, and the only have to read the list provided
This was about my experience when I spent a year of my life job hunting, doing 8 applications a month (the bare minimum my agency would allow, yes it's small but I live in a small town where the job opportunities are few and far between) and every option was basically like this. I genuinely cannot tell you if my last years of high school or this one year of job hunting was more miserable.
I cannot imagine how my life would be if my friend didn't give me a job. I'd probably be over three years deep into job hunting, desperately scrounging for options as I just get more miserable at a system that works against me, a new employee.
So I appreciate you looking at the system and realising just how flawed it is.
I really appreciate you doing this, i just graduated summer if 2023 and I'm still working my part time job while applying for jobs in my selected field, it's so demoralising when you have to go through applications like this only to get a template email rejection instead of personalised feedback.