Why You Get The Same Ads As Your Friends - Cheddar Explains
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- The fear that our phones and apps are listening to us has taken prominence among privacy security concerns. How else do we receive ads for products we were just chatting about with a friend? But it isn’t the listening that concerns most privacy experts, it’s the talking. The information our phones communicate about us to advertisers is gathered not just by our behavior, but by the behaviors of our closest companions.
Further reading:
Newsweek
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University of Tasmania
www.gtav.asn.au/documents/ite....
Tech Republic
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NPR
www.npr.org/sections/alltechc...
Wired
www.wired.com/story/ad-id-ios...
Princeton Edu
www.princeton.edu/news/2017/1...
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Yes, yes we know we said 12.5 miles when it's obviously 12.5 THOUSAND miles. Kind of a key word there.
Yeah I was going to say if satellites can somehow hover in the atmosphere only 12 km up then why don't we have more effective orbital weapon platforms?
@@Shinzon23 left on seen
So basically, if I buy a whole bunch of weird things on the internet... it will cause my neighbors to get advertisements for similar weird things. If they all start buying the weird stuff,we will begin to create a community of like-minded people bound together by artificially intelligent advertisement strategies. 🤯🤯🤯
I used to look at weird stuff on Amazon at work and then within a week I would see those products in ads on co-workers screens, and sometimes I'd see a co-worker had bought one. I looked at a gold pour-over coffee filter and a week later I saw one sitting in the sink in the office kitchen. Another time I looked at one liter water bottles with stainless steel screw on caps. Three coworkers had one about two weeks later.
I stayed at a hotel last summer and started getting Spanish language ads, too. That was weird.
The spookiest was when a former co-worker met us for lunch and told someone at the table that he was going to spend six months in london. When I got home I started seeing videos about expats in London in my suggested videos on youtube. My smartphone heard him talking about travelling to work in london and thought I was interested in that now.
no way to escape the echo chambers.
Error @2:45 The GPS satellites are located 12.5 *thousand* miles above Earth
12.5 miles? So THAT'S why the SR71 was retired---the pilots were worried about hitting GPS satellites! Anyway, they also got the term "trilateration" right, but they still got the minimum required number of satellites wrong. GPS receivers need at least four satellites because they must compute a fix in four-dimensional spacetime due to the high speed of light; a mere one microsecond time error translates to a position error of nearly 1000 feet (300 meters). GPS receivers measure the distance to each satellite with an accuracy of one part in a million, making them the most accurate scientific instrument most people will ever own.
Everyone else said that
Turning off personalized ad tracking will not stop how many ads you receive. You will just get a broader spectrum of ads that may be less relevant to you.
For me it’s better that way. It’s less personal
Cool. On principle, I don't buy anything from ads anyway. Better that they be weird.
Consider: The absolutely BONKERS irrelevant ads that users get on tumblr? "bite your soap"? "here's a scary demon nun"? Now THAT'S entertaining.
When Mark Zuckerberg testified to Congress; he did say that they do not listen to users on their microphone. But that doesn't means they can't monitor you through other means. Sadly the congressmen and women were too inept to ask more specific questions.
It's a play on words. Nobody *_listens_* to anything.
Their software translates audio into text, then counts words used, detects contexts and meanings and derives marketable data from those words.
Of course it listens. Otherwise commands like "hey google" and "hey Siri" wouldn't work.
@@PhilLesh69 By that logic there’s no way to listen digitally because the audio information is ciphered in electromagnetic waves.
@@agentriodex5145 whah?
I don't think you understood any of what I said.
Nobody is listening to the audio on a smartphone because it is software, and not listening but comparing text words.
What's that got to do with ciphered electromagnetic what now?
@@TexasTimelapse I've had the Google speaker chime in when I was having a conversation. I don't want any of those things near my house.
Vid: "12.5 miles above Earth's surface."
Me: *remembers 62 miles is the boundary of space
That's Metric Space. American Space is only 50 miles away.
@@uncletrick1 oof.
Explaining how exactly GPS works is totally unneccesary in the context of this video. All you really need to know is that GPS can locate your exact location on Earth.
GPS satellite constellation isn’t 12.5 miles above us 😆 it’s 12.5 thousand miles above.
This video is loaded with incorrect info. IE, phones don't listen... lol
Snowden leaked this yeaaars ago, and it's been confirmed by multiple independent sources since yet this video wants to claim it's all localized ads. lmao
Thought that seemed a tad low... LOL
Was at the office in the evening. Started feeling like I was getting a cold. Told my partner that I felt lousy and was gonna go home. Turned on Waze and next thing, an add for a pharmacy pops up on my screen telling me all about cold medicines.
That a study is required to tell us that we are being tracked with GPS off is already disturbing enough.
The study was done poorly and is full of opinion, not fact. The app needs a starting location, then uses the movement sensors to guess what roads you walk or drive on during your movement. For iPhones you would need to allow this app to access location at least once, then allow it to access to movement sensors. So if you arrant walking or driving on a road after allowing the app to know where you are, it has no idea where you really are.
From the paper:
Req. 1: The attacker must either know the user’s initial location (the exact GPS coordinates) or has substantial prior knowledge of the area through which the victim is traveling, e.g., the attacker assumes that the victim is traveling through a small set of known routes.
Req. 2: The attacker must measure a set of features, e.g., power consumption [18], for different potential routes in advance and construct an attack-specific training dataset.
Req. 3: The sensory data must be continuously col- lected at a high sampling rate, e.g., 30 Hz [20], [21], which is significantly higher than the sampling rate needed for a majority of benign applications.
The craziest thing about all this tracking is that targeted ads have never been shown to be more effective. They're just ASSUMED to be more effective.
It's as if the bullshit of marketing even pervades the marketing of advertising to advertisers lol
The only people I know who actually click on ads, and buy their stuff, are the same Boomers and Gen Xers that told Millenials to NEVER click on ads. I know that I sure don't buy stuff from ads.
I thought about getting new sheets. Didn't talk to anyone, didn't look online, didn't go to a physical store. Just THOUGHT about them. Got sheet ads for about two weeks.
You must've really needed some new sheets
Happened to me too. A few times already.
@@cheddar bad attempt at humour..
6:00 That's like 5 times the amount of toothpaste that you actually need to spread...
Right? Only need a pea size!
@@cheddar Probably was taken from toothpaste commercial, such use would eventually make you buy much more tubes than you need...
Have you done a vid about commercial mind tricks/games already? 🤔
I'm more tired of my targeted ads deciding that because I searched and bought something like a CPAP mask or a toilet seat that I'm starting a collection and therefore need a bazillion ads for something I've already filled the need for.
I was trying to look for a physical copy of Metroid Samus Returns, and got a ton of ads for it for the next week
I was wondering why I get mostly insurance ads. Looking at the GPS I travel 60 to 120 miles a day for work 5-6 days a week.
Geez, you really should get insurance
Lol i was talking to my grandpa about dinosaur fossils and his alexa piped up from the other room to talk about dinosaurs being cool.
I get annoyed when I start getting ads of something I just searched for, and bought. Usually something I only need to buy once. Like yes, I was looking for that, I found one, then bought it, I do not need another. Guess it doesn't track the fact you just bought that item and want to keep bothering you about it
I am so glad I found your channel. Your videos are always so interesting, I already learnt a lot. Thank you for that. Greetings from Germany.
Hey thanks!
Ok so I’m curious. Based off of this, if I share a workspace and as a result a WiFi network with a terrorist who “shops” online for bomb making material in his private life. Will I, as a result of sharing a regular common space with him be associated to such activities and be flagged as a potential threat?
Like at what point does this stop being an ad thing and become a surveillance thing?
Well if you start getting ads for explosives I assume you'd just ignore it.
@@jamaicangurl4u I wasn't on about the adds. I was leaning towards the, if someone who is in a watch list has a regular 9-5 job shares a WiFi network with someone else on a regular basis. Would the second person now also become a watched person as a result of sharing common WiFi.
@@_Ali. I think that the properly trained person would either just check you out for 30 minutes or something or just ignore you. It is still humans who do most of the inteligence stuff because we are smarter than computers. They know that those guys tend to try to hide it from everyone, even their own families.
I remember going to the mall in Vaughn and walking in front of the Lego store. Then I got non stop ads for Lego :O
Same here - happened to me in vaughan mills and other malls too.
Bluetooth beacons
Google: You are single, you are not in a relationship, you do not have any kids
Also Google: here's 50 ads for diapers for the kids you don't have and 3 for wedding dresses
In Canada we have Bell for our cellular needs. I'm weird, I use my cell for calls & texts ONLY! So, I when I signed up my pre purchased phone, Bell attempted to charge nme $2.00/month to NOT have data on my phone. Yes, they wanted to charge me money for NOT getting a service. So, I threatened to involve my lawyer, knowing full well this was illegal of them to do. Here we are 6 years later & still no data for me or monthly charges for something I don't use. Please, know your rights before you sign up for anything. This includes all apps, programs & games.
You have a lawyer?
You use Bell Mobility?
I hate the mind game of “is this ad shown due to tracking or is it a coincidence?”, so I block ads and get paranoid over online privacy.
Human civilization made a mistake speccing deep into the tech tree of advertising.
I think Facial Recognition should be made illegal. There are cameras that do this in public without your permission. What if someone took your fingerprint? Is that okay? Why is it okay to take my picture without permission
My wife was looking at something online one day. The next day she used my at the bar to look something up and the item she looked up the day before came up on my phone as an ad.
I spent 2016 through 2020 hanging outside the White House and got adds for mail order brides, bronzer, McDonalds, KFC and divorce lawyers.
Even if I learned something new in this vid, none of this shocking to me at all. I'm aware that my phone and my laptop are collecting personal info about me. Luckily, I live in the EU, which has enacted strong privacy laws, unlike some hostile regimes that use technology to "micromanage" their subjects and hunt down any potential dissent.
Like China
I'm sure corporate lawyers are busy working everyday on finding legal ways to get around the EU privacy laws.
Let's not forget in those app permission agreement we Accept it literally says if we messed up anywhere in these legal terms we have the right to change them whenever we need to... LOL
omg all of those toothbrushes need to be replaced immediately!
Well so far the only time I ever get an ad for something I want is just after I bought it. And I rarely buy anything from an internet ad.
The only Time I get Ads is when I turn my VPN off.
This doesn't explain why I got a bunch of John Bonham videos on TH-cam after just talking about him at work.
Did anyone with whom you were discussing him, look him up online?
If so, there's your link.
@@g00rb4u no. We were just talking
Just a small correction at 2:45, the satellites are actually about 12 and a half thousand miles up, not 12.5 miles!
And I get this video right after I had this conversation with my dad. Coincidence? I think not.
1. It may seem creepy, but I'd prefer targeted ads based on my profile, over irrelevant ads that don't interest me. You're still going to get ads, might as well make them useful! The more money ads make, the less ads you need to pay for a free service like TH-cam.
2. Yes, advertisers do collect data about you. But actually most of the "eavesdropping" phenomena in this video can be explained much more simply with cognitive bias - you are more likely to notice something if you are consciously aware of it. If you hadn't talked about sunglasses, that nephew would have just scrolled on by that ad without noticing it. How many ads have you not noticed today?
The problem I found is that I look for "XX", buy "XX", then get ads for "XX" for the foreseeable future.
I'd rather have the random ads - at least I might see something I didn't know was a thing.
Yeah, at least on Facebook, you can say "hide this ad - I already bought it"
Interesting topic - yet a bit on the higher level. Any resources to deep dive into this?
Back when Redbox DVD rentals were a thing... My Aunt and I stopped at one to look for a movie while leaving the grocery store. We decided that there wasn't anything we wanted to watch. I turned around and took two steps away from the kiosk when I got a text coupon for a free movie rental...
I feel sad for those people who spend so much time collecting my data just to send me adds that my addblocker makes sure I'll never see.
The saddest thing about this is when the first cell phones came out they were NOT able to do this invasive tracking and checking. However, at that time they didn't have Internet access and all they did was allow you to have voice communications and only voice communications. Then SMS was added, and since then other things like cameras and Internet access along with GPS and all sorts of tracking and spying capabilities and activities. The only way to ensure they don't track you is to turn them off, remove the battery, and remove the SIM card.
My wife browses ads for camper vans. I get sick and tired of camper van ads!
If we know they’re doing this, imagine what we don’t know.
Whenever you click on something and like it you create an algorithm.
Soon lookalike articles pops up
Very interesting, but although I'm pretty much freely tracked in multiple ways, most ads are seldom relevant, even way off the mark. Maybe fewer than 1 in a hundred ads is relevant.
I remember going through Facebook and seeing a shopping site ad that featured 15 things I talked about (half in my native language). Also ads that show stuff that are related or might like (all things automotive, gaming)....and yeah I also get mixed ads that show items my whole family likes.
want another cookie?
@@Sinaeb I already had six.
@@Sinaeb yeah, put it up my rear white boy.
When you travel to Peru, you now have to fill in a "health declaration" and give them your cellphone number, with consent to track you, ostensibly as contact tracking for Covid. Not sure if they actually can track you, especially if you change your sim when you arrive, but still.
They can track your IP address no matter what Sim card you're using and you can't ever truly turn off GPS unless you take the battery psyichally out of the phone
I don't give nobody my number especially somebody that I don't know My number is private nobody gets my number
You need 4 GPS satellites to get accurate location, since the signal they send is time information, you need to count it as a dimension.
One day, through a long meandering conversation moving from topic to topic peach cobbler came up. I've never made peach cobbler, I've never looked up a recipe, I don't even like peaches. He was nearly entirely unfamiliar with peach cobbler. The conversation moved on. Neither of us looked anything up then, or later, or before that related to peaches, cobblers, pies, desserts, or even food in general.
Later that night Google served him a peach cobbler recipe.
They are listening 😱😱😱
End. Of. Days.
Whenever I'm online, when ads pop up, the first thing I do is look for the blue X, to remove the ad from my screen. The next message is "send feedback": ad was inappropriate, not interested in this ad, seen ad multiple times, ad covers content. Eventually, I actually do not see the ad anymore. BUT, after watching this video, I wonder now...
So basically when TH-cam recommends something to you while you are in the work network means some of you colleagues is interested in it))
Foreign adversaries: the FBI an Homeland Security
Bona video. Mi ĝuas ricevi tian informon. Mi ne sciis tiom multa aŭ ne certis pri la manierojn per kiuj oni kolektas niajn informojn. Dankon!
@@vl8089 Angla?? Klf
I never buy products that appears ads found on internet and tv.
Damn, we live in a corporate dystopia and theres absolutely nothing I can do about it. What am I supposed to do? Not have a smartphone in a world where they may as well be integral to your social life?
Ads targeted towards my family members do sometimes bleed into my feed.
I'm not too concerned about corporations using this data for targeted ads. It's the idea of the government using it that scares me.
I am certain that they are more active in it than we give them credit for. I would not be suprised that China knows more about my interests than some of my friends and I am not even chinese.
This is one of the big plusses of using defunct brands like zenith, philco, emerson and RCA- they cant send you an ad for a product that no longer exists!
I was talking to my friend about how phone listening to me and give me ads i just heard 1 hour earlier , then today i meet this video , coinsidence?
EN
John thamk you very much for your report, it was very interesting
ES
John mil gracias por el reportaje, es muy interesante
FR: merci,john pour ce reportage,c'était tres intéréssant
Need something to selectively feed gps and related misinformation to certain apps,etc
The one that pisses me the most is Apple telling me on Twitter to upgrade my iPhone 7 to a “better phone”
Satelites 12.5 miles above surface?
In raphics and voice?
SERIOUSLY?
If this size of error past to publication, dont blame the flat-earters ans conspironics.
That is the the punishment for using the full stop as a decimal point, while the real world uses it for the thousand separator.
the common knowledge should catch this error of 24km satellites and y dont think it is intentional
@@gruxalfa true
Also: Use one phone per. Per month, per week, per day, or even per call
The sparkling IRONY of my Boomer mother - who taught me to NEVER click on internet ads in the 90s and 00s, and ALWAYS delete cookies when you're done with them - she now openly brags about the things she's bought from social media ads, and arguing with me that it could never possibly be a problem that a myriad of large corporations are tracking her and she can't stop it. 🤦♀️
I don't know about anyone else's phone works but mine does listen. I've noticed on several occasions that my phone would start recommending video, articles and ads for whatever random topic my friend and I were talking about.
They all listen. Voice commands wouldn't work if they weren't constantly listening for those "specific keywords"
Hey Google!
The only ads I ever see is on the highways or store front.
i hope they see every time i install a new browser on my phone or re install my OS, the first thing i search on the internet is addblockers.
Ad
Has anyone actually answered the question as to WHY internet advertising is so insanely valuable that this becomes a problem in the first place? It seems way more blown up than it should be.
We don't have the hardware capability to have even every phone sold this decade listen to literally everything and process it. Phones have a very weak program to process for "Siri" or "Google" then after that it captures an audio recording and sends it to company servers. Servers would get overloaded if they got used by that many more users 24/7, or even just 2 hours a day by everyone
I asked my brother if he wanted pizza tonight, and guess what ad I got before this video? Insurance
When I send iMessages to my tuna vendor, even though I’m never within 50 miles of her location she is offered to me as a potential Facebook friend.
When a video is so poorly produced they can’t even get simple facts like the actual orbital altitude of GPS satellites correct, it makes everything else they say less trustworthy.
Not saying they are intentionally misleading anyone, but that kind of glaring error makes me wonder what else they got wrong due to poor research and production.
Seriously, you guys should take this video down and redo it properly.
Agreed! Whenever I see such blatant errors in articles/videos none of what they’re saying afterwards holds any water.
That person used WAY too much toothpaste on that toothbrush.
All these complex algo for 5$ / day Ad. Good for small businesses.
This is not true. I'm getting ads in language I don't even speak and about things that are mean for opposite gender than I am, how is that possible ?
This could and should be tested. I don't doubt this is true. I have similar stories. However confirmation bias and such can be at play here. If you have spent rime or talked about a product you are more likely to notice their ads if you see them soon after and create a causal link in your mind.
It's a bit vague but the basic idea is there.
never have location on never have Bluetooth unless o need it for a short time
Last year, using my PC, I put on Twitter that I'd never eaten a taco. 30 minutes later, I was getting taco adverts and articles on my phone.
Nope, my phones listening. I don't know anyone who golfs, never googled anything about it. I was watching a youtube video, and the lady said her gloves looked like golf gloves.. the next day I had golf glove ads on my facebook... I'm about to go off grid... lol
? you just said you "watching a TH-cam video, and the lady said her gloves looked like golf gloves" , other people that had watched the same video searched to buy golf gloves, so you get an add for golf gloves because you saw the same video as them ;-) simple really.
@@vasopel So you’re saying that if other people watch the same videos as me, I get the adds for things that their shopping for?…. Hmm 🤔
@@Santos.Equestrian ;-)
Your phone CAN and DOES listen to you. The NSA admitted to putting software on our phones to read meta data and that it can access your microphone. They also said by their own interpretation of the Patriot Act, they are allowed to do this and four Presidents have let them continue.
Well, this is a win for me. At least someone wants to know about me.
Sweat on the walls??? That John??
LOOOOOOL 12.5 miles satellite orbit. ARE YOU FOR REAL??? try about 20'000 km!!!
We’re living in a real life Truman Show.
12:45 gps satellite altitude is off by a couple orders of magnitude, should be 12.5 _thousand_ miles
wtf the festival footage at 7.44 is from a teenie tiny Festival in eastern germany?? dafuq? 😅😆
Mate, you should really change your toothbrush. Also, don't brush so hard. You can see this things on the state of the toothbrush.
So, are my neighbour receiving vibrators adds because I've bought one? Not gonna ask them.
Are we not gonna mention how fine the producer is 🤷🏾♂️
You want to hit that raw?
Facts is scary as fuck sometimes
I like the last comment I wish companies would be found guilty when they've created your vulnerability by making your info available to anyone whom has the ability. When you need new updates that's because they've taken all your info and they've made your life keystrokes and all available to hackers or other malevolent people then "secure" it with new security updates that inconvenience you from using the product you bought that is intended for your use. Then those updates mess things up. But the tech needs it they say it's sophisticated tech mombo jumbo requires for you to think that in order for computers to be better means it will be worse, more complicated, is to do all the thinking for you, it helps you think about other stuff to buy.i miss the days when I would go to McDonald's and look at the menu to decide what to eat, but now when I stand there a screen changes to another category of items I'm not interested in and has big displays of food but I want to see the menu so I wait for the big screen tv that uses unnecessary energy and takes away financial gains that could be given to an employee and I wait on purpose to annoy the person behind because this wrecks the experience. So I boycotted them for this. Also when I was living in Brampton I noticed considering that Brampton had a majority of Indians working at fast food Venus timmies wendies Arbies even a Chinese food store operated by Indians but the McDonald in Brampton only employ black people, literally the entire staff when I was there. Then I watched a doc on TH-cam about McDonald's advertising structure and employee history. I learned when Dave Chapelle made his WacArnolds skit that it was truthful McDonald's particularly uses black people to run their businesses. During the TH-cam video that had finished explaining how much more employees could be paid if advertising wasn't precedent I got a McDonald's ad. For their choice to run an ad during a video explaining how the advertising robs a race I felt that the ad was racist McDonald's is racist and I will have nothing to do with them.
So shameless that such powerful tools are being used for such stupid and useless things as ads and not to prevent terrorism
And these profiles, having become part of the Interwebs, will never be eradicated. *sigh*
The paper does not support this videos claims of how the app can track you!!
From the paper:
The first two requirements significantly limit the attacker’s ability to locate the user in realistic scenarios, and the third can raise suspicion, making it easier to detect the attack [22]. Even with these requirements, previous attacks offer a rough estimation of the user’s trajectory, as discussed later in Section 6.
Req. 1: The attacker must either know the user’s initial location (the exact GPS coordinates) or has substantial prior knowledge of the area through which the victim is traveling, e.g., the attacker assumes that the victim is traveling through a small set of known routes.
Req. 2: The attacker must measure a set of features, e.g., power consumption [18], for different potential routes in advance and construct an attack-specific training dataset.
Req. 3: The sensory data must be continuously collected at a high sampling rate, e.g., 30 Hz [20], [21], which is significantly higher than the sampling rate needed for a majority of benign applications.
in other words, informations the inteligence agent would know how to gain in less than a day.
I have no ex boyfriends, I’m more worried about TH-cam listening to me talk with the screen locked and sending me ads about a conversation and not my video watches…turned off microphone access real quick when I noticed that happen…check privacy settings for all your apps and see what they are using…it’s scary what some innocuous apps have access to
Plz make videos with the aspect ratio 20:9
Why would they do that? Just wondering
I suspect this video was actually supported by google and Apple etc. I strongly suspect they are listening.
I have no care for being tracked but they should not legally be allowed to do this it seems wrong.
Thanks for the video. A friend recently told me how he felt it was creepy he got an add for something he talked about earlier with someone else. I knew it wasn't the phone listening but I couldn't exactly explain what was going on. Now I can and it also explains why I don't get those ads. I generally deselect all non essential cookies.
more videos like this please, more frequently would be nice too but yanno, do what you can.
Why can't they do this shi with algorithms too so I don't have to listen to bad music when I ask google to play sum
Easy to have privacy.