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- I took a DNA ancestry test. It didn’t tell me where my ancestors came from…
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At-home DNA ancestry tests have become hugely popular in recent years. More than 26 million have taken one of these tests. If their marketing is to be believed, they can help you learn where your DNA comes from, and even where your ancestors lived.
But the information that can be inferred from your DNA is actually much more limited than testing companies are letting on. And that has lead consumers to misinterpret their results - which is having negative consequences.
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Everything i knew about my DNA is a LIE!! LOL jk but thank you for the insight. Very informative.
I like that the actual video title is not the least bit clickbaity.... and then you went and wrote THIS summary... yeah. Sure.
Insightful videos like these are the best vox has to offer. I'm really satisfied with this one, thanks for your hard work
I found out 50% of my dna came from my mother. They couldn’t pin down the other 50%, but I’ve got a pretty good idea.
@nPlatin LMAO
The milkman?
The plumber actually.
@nPlatin SWEET HOME ALABAMA
it came from your uncle
My DNA test results just came out and I'm proud to say that I'm from the surface of the Earth.
Kevin Luo Way to piss off the dungeon dwellers, mate!
...and in a few more generations of mixing, that is all that this ethnic testing will be able to tell you.
Yeah we cavedwellers have it ruff.
do you really though?
I’m proud of you bro 😤😤
Are you trying to tell me woah wicky isn’t black 😤
It sounds like he's trying to tell us she is...
I laughed out loud
In a multiethnic country race tends to be of importance to people.
For the blacks is "They are blacks". But for the whites is "They are blacks too". It's just anti white activity based on pure hate against the whites.
@@sebrands Only important to weirdos.
I just took a DNA test, turns out I'm 100% tired
Grey Ang same
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So those test kits won't tell me if I'm related to royalty from the 1600's? Well then screw that
I’ve just found my 25th great grandfather
Robert the Bruce
King of Scotland
@@melindad3643 that's hard because sadly there's no much info (at least on Google) even if you search your mother's/father's or grandparent's name. For old documents they're not digitally accessible
My DNA test came I’m 13.4% lamborgini and 86.6% honda civic
Lovedeep Brar 😂😂😂😂🤣
Ricer
wow congrats
wOwzERs
cause of the scissor doors man smh
As someone who's an adoptee of a closed adoption, I'll take any guesses I can get. I'd prefer solid results, but a probability of what ethnicity I am is better than nothing, at least for me.
Your guess is better than theirs and cheaper.
Ethnicity is not written in genes
You wont find any answers doing this you are better off just identifying with whatever you feel like
Found my dad’s siblings and my wife found her mother’s, this stuff works. You have to use other tools, and other sites but it works. Ask those on child support
Hey! It might be meaningless and imprecise, but at least they cost a lot and they sell your genetic data later!
From most companies you can get the raw data and analyse it yourself for different medical markers. If you then know your prone to prostate cancer you can get a checkup more often. Is that meaningless?
@@LukasDohn the scary part is when insurance companies can get ahold of that probability for cancers, etc in your DNA and choose not to sell your insurance based of something you may not have known you were genetically prone to
@@TheLivingApocalypse Yeah, that should be illegal. But that's a legislative issue. The test/information can be really useful.
@Ryan Kameg Genealogy And that is problematic by itself.
It's actually very precise - this video is just plain fake news. You can tell from the fact they interviewed a sociologist and not a geneticist. As for meaningless, well, most traits which people care about are at least partly heritable.
I did the test to see if I was adopted, something I have suspected all my life. Found out my dad was not my dad. AncestryDNA also listed a half sister and a slew of half nieces and nephews. These tests can give you very accurate info. It just depends what you want from them.
I was hoping these tests would explain to people how to best interpret the info...
Instead we had them preach to us how we should not believe dna tests.. that all people are the same.. there is no difference between chinese and africans.. because racism bad...
What a joke
You can only find relatives if they just so happen to take the same test you did. Most people are looking for ancestry cues, not distant living relatives.
Dna testing for relatives is easier than dna testing for regional dna given pretty much everyones moved around at one point or another so dna that way more diverse
@@sdarling6518 I was wondering how this works. People find family they never knew about
My father never got to know his real father, but did a DNA test and managed to find a half sister and 2 half brothers. This was very accurate and we met them and found out more about my grandpa as he lived with them.
Think about it, you're giving away your genetic code to a profitable industry.
What could possibly go wrong?
Nothin'. I could give it if they ask for it. If they offer a service as a bonus, why not
You giving not only to farma-industry, which can be used to make vectored viruses - bio-weapon illness that will target some races or even countries with big number of DNA-markers. So, US gov can attack Iran, China or some Eastern Europe's country with your help.
Room Empty They could also use it to turn the freaking frogs gay or combine it with the Florine in water to mind control us.
if the farma industry is in need of genes to develop a bio weapon to decimate iran they're not gonna look for it in your spit, they have millions of blood banks all throughout the world, your spit is the last place they are gonna look for genetic material in.
If you ever been to the doctor they already have your dna.
My grandpa took a DNA test through National Geographic and he was bragging about how his ancestors were traced all the way back to East Africa, not realizing that ALL humans are from East Africa
Sorry some from west African sorry
@@vanousisi8112 you gotta be kidding me you comment without research
Due to new researches that's questionable
DNA testing does not go to the beginning of humans, only up to thousands of years and a minimum of hundreds. They can only show recent DNA history and migrations
Naw
Im :
90%depressed and
20%sad
-10% ignorant
@@wennwenn1422 at least you evened it out for him
110% miserable.
@@wennwenn1422 r/wooosh
@Skinny Worshipper r/woooosh
My mom took a DNA test. Turns out she's a 100% human.
Really? My mom got 30% fae
Doubt it
That's the nicest thing anyone has ever said about their mom
Another issue not mentioned is if the reference population is fairly low, the results might not show up in that population. I know my great-grandmother was Native American (Pamunkey tribe), but my ancestry test shows me as having 1% in the Native American population - which is far lower than it should be (should be around 12%.) There just aren't enough Native Americans providing samples for the site to be able to give a good percentage.
Edit: Thank you folks for the responses. You're right that proportional DNA might have something to do with it. It's just weird that I have less than 1% Native American match but almost 3% Sub-Saharan African when we have basically no evidence of any African ancestry (slight possibility given the Pamunkey tribe stole black slaves and co-mingled with them every so often, but there's no evidence this happened.)
Edit Also: And yes, we're sure my great-grandmother is actually Native American and not a "Native American" cause she was born and raised on the Pamunkey reservation by Native American parents.
You also might not be as native Americans as you think. Are you sure you're great grandmother wasn't "a native American princess"? Older generations loved to make up supposed indigenous ancestors
Tamerlane yeah I’m pretty sure my family is making my Native American background up, I’ve never seen proof
@@Emperor.Penguin. No, we're sure. She was a Pamunkey. Born on the reservation. Her picture is in the Smithsonian archives.
@@CeilingNinja she could also be mixed race.
@@Emperor.Penguin. It's possible, certainly. I doubt, however, that I'm more Sub-Saharan African (as my results say) than I am Native American. Somewhere the numbers are falling improperly.
My test came back 0.0003% amphibian, and now everyone is confused.
Asking a sociologist instead of a geneticist about DNA testing... Classic Vox focusing mostly on presentation rather than good journalism
a geneticist would have said the same thing. it's common knowledge that "races" by all means aren't real by genetic standards. it's a sociologists job to study and explain how social categories like these impact us
so yes. good journalism vox, very cool.
@@marbleplexus well some geneticists on here on youtube and elsewhere have explaned opposite to what the sociologist and video have said on dna testing
@@DaniMrtini yea? and who are they? mind if you show us?
@SHUT DOWN I am a graduate of Molecular Biology, but not directly in the field of Geneticist's, but Vox is right on this one.
Lmao mine was scarily accurate - down to exact regions my grandparents are from
Which one did you use?
@@dayalasingh5853| yeah which one
which one did u use
@@bex6156 Ancestry!
@@1955DodgersBrooklyn is it better/more accurate?
I know this is kind of off topic but my friends dad found his long lost brother when their DNA matched on one of those kits. Idk pretty cool.
I found alot of relatives through my test too it's so cool to see how many people you're related to in some way shape or form
@@unapologeticallyme8513 how did you do that?
@@unapologeticallyme8513 is there is any other dna relative kit? Hmm so far I knew that ethnicity dna kit only reveal our ethic. Its pretty interesting when we got to know who is our far relative
I'm trying to figure out the best dna test to see if I have any long lost relatives
@@unapologeticallyme8513 how? Please Answer
Rumor has it that Elizabeth Holmes college roommate is running these ancestry tests...
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I genuinely don’t understand the concept of being “proud” of an ancestry. Why should I be proud of something I have no control over, especially something I was born into? I think ancestry is interesting but I truly don’t think it should have any bearing over my life (can’t be helped when it’s obvious physical features like having Asian features or red hair for example, can’t help that people know your ancestry based off physical features). I’m Hispanic and my sister took an ancestry test that told her she was 60% Native American and 40% Spanish (yeah big surprise lol) and my family has always told us stories that our great great great relatives were from Native tribes, but we’ve never once seen proof, we don’t know anything about these cultures, we shouldn’t claim to be a part of these communities that we don’t even know with certainty that we are a part of.
proud in this sense is less I did something good because you're right. we had nothing to do with it. it's more proud in the sense of appreciating your connection to something bigger than yourself like when your school's football team wins the big game. you probably had nothing to do with it, but you're connected
@@jobshadow I like that description more. I also think people can take that too far like when crazed fans set the opposing team's fan's cars on fire over the outcome of a game lol
@@jobshadow if you are so miserabel that you have to claim the victory of your school foot Ball Team, then you truly are no better then the white supremesist who claim to be better then other just cause of their colour skin wich coincidentally looks simular to the skin tone of "great people"
@@derljackson5365 such a false equivalent. There is a difference between being proud, and tearing someone down for being different. It's okay to be white (from whatever european country) and proud 😂 the problem is when you start killing people who look different that you. Get a clue, child.
You don't HAVE to be proud but you can always find it interesting and inspiring.
don't ask a sociologist ask an actual geneticist or biologist they can show you lol
Right, that is what I thought.
Sociologist employ genetists' knowledge to explain the human social history. There is no problem at all. What she said are real limitation that exists.
c'mon. They have to do something besides teach Sociology. Otherwise, that degree would completely useless.
My dad and I both did the ancestry dna kit - he showed up 25% Greek and no Greek was found in mine!! (Yes he’s my real dad before anyone makes the joke😂)
Wow, not a very accurate test then!
Coukd be because he is 1 generation closer to your ancesters than you, it shows up as it hasn't been diluted as much. Granted you probably should have been at least a little greek but the again the methods being used are always being refined and updated so it is possible if you log back in to ancestry dna at some point in the future you'll have greek in your results. My dna result was spot on
Shantarah then it came from your mother
476 Anno Domini shes 100% Irish 😊
I see these tests as a positive rather than a negative effect on our understanding of race. I see it as how related we all are rather than how much we are separated from each other. Those white nationalists or any racist would see this test as a way to prove their "racial" purity (even though race is just a construct because we are all of the human race).
Technically, we are different sub-species of the same race....for PC reasons, we don't say "breed" or "sub-species"
The races have different gestation periods, ave brain sizes, drug reactions, heat and cold tolerances, etc.
A physician that doesn't take race into account, practices bad medicine.
Crazy cause the large majority of white people get only white it’s only about 4% of the white population in the U.S that has mixed race its lowkey funny how hard they went to not inter mix
thats an interesting take. goo point
@@rodolfolasparri I'm sorry but brain size? you're a dumbass
My biology teacher said that race is not a construct and that different sub-species do exist. It's just race obsessed americans try to convince themselves that race is a not a thing or that it's everything. Always so Extreme, YIKES.
In the beginning People just didn't like that connotation because it made us more animal. I don't see the difference between dog breeds and human ethnicities. Also given how innacurate these tests are all those white nationalist are bound to get a 4 % african.
What's hilarious about this product is that it really outlines American's obsession with race/ethnicity. They are willing to pay money so that an obscure test tells them they're exotic.
As somebody who was adopted I just wanted to find out if I had any family turns out I had a sister and uncle and also learned why I have schizophrenia it taught me alot more about my own history more then ethnicity but rather knowing something outta 30 years gives you peace of mind
What the hell is a sociology professor doing talking about genetics??
She rrally doesnt need to say anything beyond what you would learn in high school biology so idk why Everyone is throwing a hissy fit
Her area of field could be bio-ethnic ?? That’s a sociological and a bio field. She could be a demographer? Sociology is a science. While most sociology majors go into mathematics, some do venture out in chemistry and biology since sociology is a foundation to those fields as well :-)
@@leibnizth Sociology and Demography have absolutely nothing to do with the technical side of genetic genealogy. Taking Introduction to Biology in college does not qualify to pontificate about how precise are those tests.
@@topmog So what qualifies you to pontificate what sociologists and demographers can and cannot possibly have knowledge about? You don't need to take any classes at all to figure out how these tests work, the information is out there for all of you to read. My guess is that was what she has done. And seeing as it is part of her research project into how people interpret and use genetic ancestry testing I would say she is way more qualified to talk about it than you are to talk about what her field of work entails.
Shhh goy, stop noticing things.
I am totally aware of the faults of these DNA tests, but I still love hearing about people’s ancestry results. I think the idea that we are ALL made up of such diverse combinations is so interesting, and it’s amazing to imagine our thousands of ancestors coming together to create one, perfectly unique YOU!
If you honestly expected it to be 100% accurate I'm sorry to tell you you're incredibly naive and that isn't how the world works.
No one expects 100% lol but the percentages are off by alot
My issue !
I found my DNA test mostly accurate since I've traced my ancestors on both sides of family back at least 4 generations.
It's the smaller percentage findings that are likely the most inaccurate
Well you have another generation at least to find where the small percentages come from! About 5 generations are where you gain your DNA. Anything after could happen but it's not gonna reach you, it's too far back.
If your percentage was a low percentage like 4%-5%, then after a few updates was reduced it doesn't mean it's a false positive. It means the reference populations and data changed the algorithm and more precisely aligns/matches the DNA you carry. Also, if you get that percentage from a parent and it's reduced (and stays on your chart/doesn't disappear completely), it's _unlikely_ it's a trace. It's more likely in your DNA!
You should have definitely mentioned the other methods of dna tests (this is only simple autosomal test) look up more about Y chromosome tests or mtdna tests. These show you your haplogroup and are extremely interesting!
I have naturally red hair, extremely pale freckled skin and blue eyes, but because my grandmother's family was First Nations from Washington/BC, I have a few random things that are very Native American, such as my dental structure, inability to process dairy, allergies and lack of body odor. It's fascinating; I've had dentists refuse to believe that my dental records belonged to me because I look 100% European. I also have epicanthic/monolid eyes, but I got that from my 100% Swedish father. We can't even detect any Sami ancestry, and he has spent 20 years with family history as his main hobby. In conclusion, genetics is wild.
What do u mean dental structure? What looks different or ? I look European but have Native American in my DNA and I was told by my orthodontist that my teeth were something that I forgot Nd also my dentist too.. I wasnt listening both times. Lol
I definitely hear that! I'm multiracial and my brother's hair is completely different to mine, we have different eye brows and brow bones, different dental structure, but the same skin tone, the same eyes, ears, and lips, and we're the same height and shoe size. Most people think we look exactly alike, because they only see the skin colour and physical size, but looking at the smaller details, we each got different bits of genetics from all over the world.
@@timesn7774 it's to do with bite width and shape. I've got a very wide, flatter dental shape than most europeans who tend to have narrower, more elliptical shapes. (I think.....)
Is lack of body odour a real thing? I am jealous :D
@@margaritam.9118 it's linked to the ABcc11 gene and it's found in people of east Asian or Native American descent. It's linked to low or no body hair, body odor, and dry earwax instead of wet. My mother and her mother are the only ones who had it.
Additionally, even if the tests were accurate, what would it change? I'm mostly west European, knowing from family history. But the culture I grew up in is Balkan culture. I play in a çoçek band. I own many traditional blouses. But I'm not from Bulgaria, Albania, Serbia, etc. Neither are most of my ancestors. But I have such strong connections to the Balkan-American community, heritage can't change anything. Why worry about where your ancestors are from? Maybe think, where is your heart and home?
Is a *sociologist* really qualified to talk about genetics? I feel like this video was more about DNA tests can make you racist and not so much about genetics on itself. Kindda disappointed tbh
Yes she's qualified. Everything she says in this video is correct information.
The essence of the video was that DNA tests don't work the way they seem to work in advertisements. The video's core message was not "DNA tests make you racist".
Yes because human population is fluid. They moved. Globalization happened way far earlier than we know
I would love to see a double blind test - send in your dna multiple times to the same company with different names associated and see if they give you the same results.
Chuck Poll my mom is doing this. So far she has results from 2 companies and they are pretty much identical.
@@MeganMcIntosh Any updates on that?
DNA charts basically tell you which parent was dominant in sex.
Ehhh mines very accurate. It matches my family tree. One side of my family is white(English/Scottish) and one side is Mexican. The test said I have 34% British, .07% Scandinavian which is typical for British ancestry because of the Vikings, 9.9 % Broadly Northwest European which they can't pinpoint. I'm assuming that's probably more British. 28.4% Native American to Mexico. Then lists a group of states where my ancestors are from. The top 2 Jalisco and Nuevo Leon and those both match up with my family tree. 17.5 % Spanish.Then it gives me a 4% African, which is typical for Mexicans. Then 3% broadly European and 2.5% unassigned. Which all comes down to half white (English mainly) and half Mexican(indigenous mixed with Spanish and a little north African) and that's what I am.
I'm German/Portuguese/British and guess what mine came back saying...All three of those things with a touch of French mixed in. Mine also was very accurate.
Thomas Harrison which company did you use?
@@KK-jl8em I've used 23 and me, Ancestry DNA, and Living DNA. Ancestry was able to pinpoint my Basque ancestry while 23 and me didn't. 23 and me found the areas in the UK where my family is from though. They are both really good
Thomas Harrison I live in the U.S but I’m not from here, do you think it could trace back my ancestry anyways? And what would you recommend me?
@@KK-jl8em the above was my 23 and me. Ancestry runs your DNA over and over and then gives you the average ; what I like is that they show you your lowest range and your highest range. I'll use my England, Wales, and NW European as an example. They gave me an average of 55% (which is higher than 23 and me) and a range of 53%-58%. So on some tests i ranged as low as 53, as high as 58, and on others somewhere in between. They can't tell for sure if you're precisely 55%, but it is their best scientific guess and a really good range. If you noticed they combined English with North Western European. Because of all the Western European tribes roaming all over a long time ago, it can be difficult to pinpoint which country exactly. They then gave me 31% Native American with a range of 25-38. Then 7% Spain with a range of 0-7. Basque 2% with a range of 0-9. 5% of 3 different African countries. Ireland and Scotland at 1% with a range of 0-2%. Which was shocking to me because I always thought I had a heavy Irish background. But does make sense knowing my family tree now. Italy 1% with a range of 0-1. Which all comes up with English, Native, Spanish, Basque, a little African, traces of Irish/ Scottish and Italian.
Why would you go to a professor of sociology for this? If you wanted to bring an expert in the video to make a few comments, a geneticist or a genetic counselor would’ve been more appropriate.
Using an expert who is not technically qualified in the field you are talking about further reinforces that Vox manufactures stories rather than reporting them.
Genetist knows data but not necessary knows the history behind those data.
I found a 'loophole' and just used old documents to find where my ancestors came from and just computed how much of their DNA I shared with them, its not perfect but saved me money from buying one one of those kits.
Don't kill my hopes of deluding myself that I'm 0.000001 viking
i feel like people only mention vikings within the context of being genetically related to them.
10% woooooooo
Viking was a job, not an ethnicity, so unless you also consider yourself 12% secretary and 0.5% McDonald's employee...
My mom got 80% Scandinavian, so basically shes probably a viking queen
@Lukas Specifically the term Viking applies only to Scandinavian raiders, as the word itself is Old Norse in origin, pretty much the entire world had "Vikings" just they're not called that because they weren't Norse pagans.
Wanna have Fun: take a set of Twins, ask them to take tests from separate companies. Wait for results & have a good laugh 😉. Thank me if you publish that Video
They will have different dna. If your father is 2% Portuguese, one twin may receive 1.5% of it, while the other one may receive none.
@@BoraCM Identical twins have identical DNA.
Kasumi Rina It depends on the type of twins. Fraternal twins only share 50% of their DNA.
My daughter and my twin sister's son took DNA tests a couple of years apart, and so they showed up as half-siblings!
@@BoraCM identical twins are essentially the same person genetically.
I feel like the tests would be much more useful if they predicted people's chances to have a certain disease or cancer. Similar tests actually do this. But it (of course) depends on whether people really want to know their chances of getting a certain, possibly terminal, illness.
When they do these analysis how far back in time do they go? 200 yrs? 500? 1,000? I had a 23 and Me analysis and it was very accurate with what I know of my family history since the mid 1800's. I'm 100 % Eastern European just like I knew I was. My ancestors were Polish, German and Austrian ( Croatian) so there were no surprises.
Polish, German and Austrian are central Europeans
6-10 generation so 200 is a good approximate but it can go farther back
Hahaha people finding out they aint native american lol
Who the heck consults or interviews a soft major for something that is considered a hard major (genetics/chemistry/anthropology?).
That's like going to an average handy man to help you fix your car issue! You may get good help or you won't but most of the time you won't and will make things worst or give bad information in this case!
It can tell you if your going to jail or not
It's probably more meaningful, much more meaningful to figure out your geneaology to see who you ancestors were as many generations back as you can. It takes more work, but it means a heck of a lot more to your identity and where you come from.
Reminder that these companies ethics and how they use your data is incredibly sketchy and they often end up taking ownership of your genetic information. This means they can sell it or do other funky stuff that the majority of people are not okay with.
If you want to learn who your family really was, go do a lot of research on documents, immigration records, censuses, etc. My mom and myself did one of these tests and there were a lot of errors in the percentages with much of our already filled out family tree. DNA tests tell you a probability of where your family may have come from. Doing genealogy actually shows the individual people and their stories.
Way too much spit/spitting in this video. 🤢
At least they’re not spitting out tobacco...lol
Just a question, what does a sociologist have to do with DNA tests? I mean the field is relevant in a very broad sense but a geneticist would be much more educated in that topic of discussion
The field of Genetic Genealogy is not yet one that you can locate in (most) college directories; it is definitely not Cellular Micro-biology or Genomics. You go with people who are self-taught. The same thing was true about computer technology in my youth.
She's someone who would give Vox, which is a bad faith actor (loaded agenda), the sort of misleading commentary it desired.
@@miraclematthew716 my eyes rolled back so hard at that it actually kind of hurt 🙄
@@miraclematthew716 OK, then, what exactly did she say that was misleading? I'd also like to know how/why you think Vox is loaded. I don't like a lot of their videos, but I'd be interested in what you think.
Nothing. It's just propaganda.
Why are you talking to a sociologist about statistics and genetic Biology?
I know why because of the paper that says it MAY promote racial differences beliefs, is written by sociologists. (decided to include the may after you left it out). Also can you provide evidence of how inaccurate the tests are?
Timothy Hilditch The inaccuracy of the tests are demonstrated in this video and any other (you can’t even set accuracy to 95% or 99%, apparently? And you can set it to 50%, which is worthless), but that’s not the big problem. Interpretation is. Roth is a profession studying race. Race is studied by geneticists, anthropologists, and other biologists and social scientists. And frankly, ancestry testing obviously does promote racism.
@@theespatier4456 I want evidence, I want vox to give an example of somebody who did the test and wasn't from that country or region.
Sociologists study social problems, including relationships between races. But I don't see why we should value her thoughts on the accuracies of the genetic tests.
Also, the comment on the paper was just pointing out Vox's bad reporting.
Timothy Hilditch She’s a professor studying race. She’s more than qualified to read a text and report it to laymen. You can find any number of inaccurate reports on the internet and even here in the comments (an Indian identified as French/Spanish). But the problem isn’t the accuracy of the main statistic, but also the fact that they report smaller statistics, allow users to display low confidence information, and the fact that they poorly explain (and sometimes lie about) the reference populations and what “ancestry” even means in their reports. People are very quick to misinterpret this and fall back into racial thinking. And of course, there’s the issue of what happens to your data after you hand it to the companies.
@@theespatier4456 What I'm trying to get at is you need reliable evidence. Or an expert on the subject to talk about the issue. You can't bring in a sociologist to talk about the reliability of a DNA test.
With individual errors, yes, there is examples of where they have gone wrong. But I would have liked to see them in the video and maybe an estimate of the failure rate.
I can't argue about how 23&me explains its stats to its customers, because I haven't used their service. And I don't think this video explains it truthfully.
With the data storage I don't know about other companies but 23&me doesn't store information on its customers or sell it on.
Timothy Hilditch Isn’t genealogy a branch of social science to begin with? And a lot of sociological studies involve statistical studies and researches. So I would say she is highly qualified for the topic as most of these companies rely on statistics to get you a result.
I just want to know if there's a genetic reason for why I love mini coopers and have a strong distrust of the French
Well.... now I'm curious too.
Your adolf hitlers nephew’s grandson
@@yourfriendlyneighborhoodcl4824 *You're
@@Big-Monkey-Man no
"DNA tests don't actually tell you where your ancestors lived. It just gives you probabilities on where you're most likely to find relatives today." Hmmm..
But your relatives could move...
Humans have migrated a lot throughout history.
is ancestry test an autosomal test or y_dna ? cause if it's an autosomal so it doesn't give us the origin ...
That’s weird I can find my moms DNA but when Look at my dad side ... it’s mostly from grocery stores .
And they all have,”I will be back, am buy some milk.”
I found out my paternal grandfather cheated on my paternal grandmother with an ancestry test. Sure there's a margin of error....
To clarify, reference populations are mostly constructed from populations today, but these populations will have ancestors from other places in past migration. So how do you classify a genetic variation meaningfully to a specific geographic area? You also only inherit a tiny portion of the DNA of each of your ancestors, and a lot of markers that might have some association with geography is lost. So genetic ancestry tests can really only give you a good guess about your ancestry maybe several generations back.
I am pretty confident with their guess. I see no issue here. The test got my parents birthplace correctly, and properly identified the Mexican state that they are from. 23andme guess has been getting better and better.
Did it mention, say, where in Spain your ancestors come from, or when they migrated over?
The question is why do you invite a Professor of Sociology but not genealogy in this interview?
Here in iceland we have often done studies on genetics, and most of our results show that there's little to no difference from us and for example people from China. For example our Neanderthal percent here is the same as in South east Asia, really shows us how connected we are.
One thing I truly love about genetics tests is that you can explore the world through your genes, not that itd be much different if you went without knowing, but going to the areas that your ancestors could've been in is a feeling of itself. Tho with that given I despise when people say they are something when only a part of their blood is, yes you may have 15 precent Italian, but you're not necessarily culturally Italian, buuuut I don't let that annoy me much
Totally no differences between Nordic descendants in Iceland and Aborigines in Australia right?
@@commanderneyo7903 and Richard H Yes there are no big differences in our genetic code. If every human shares 99.9 % of the same DNA then this is a very minor difference. And most of this different DNA is not even doing anything (they do not code proteins). So the diffences are very shallow only "skin deep". And in the end we all stem from africa and share the same ancestors. Even when you dont like it, because you have made up your mind about people from different continents.
Have a nice day.
@@ottonormal5833 I don't like it because it's not true. A single SNP can be the difference between being healthy, or having a fatal abnormality. The genetic difference between being a man or a woman is just the tiny Y chromosome, and yet it results in profound differences, even when you don't like it!
Richard H As you write, an SNP can have great effects, but they are only “skin-deep” indeed. SNPs are not persistent. More than 90% of all human genetic variation is found in all parts of the world, even in sub-continental areas. The differences between humans are minuscule by any measure, whether you’re comparing individuals or populations.
@@theespatier4456 SNPs are not just 'skin-deep', I have no idea where you got that idea from. Less than 1% of your DNA determines whether you are male or female. So according to you pseudo-scientists, that means there is no real difference between a man and a woman, and we should just ignore it. Actually that probably is what your type believe...
Great video! It explains it well ...but why on earth would you get a sociologist to explain DNA? She seems far from a specialist
Tea Lynn Moore You can work with DNA and be a sociologist?
Actually, it explains it based upon a reversed engineered narrative.
Here's a real scientist debunking the VOX video
th-cam.com/video/IIWlatQt4KE/w-d-xo.html
Simple. the sociologist lady was talking about sample sizes and how inaccurate the data actually is since her whole thing is studying data , she didnt explain how genetics work. So there wasnt a need to bring in a geneticist
Is that woman jewish?
Hmm... Marxist sociology professor spreading lies 🤔doesn't sound like any Jew i know.
"that there are very stark
and clear biological differences between races."
Well if you can make a test that can with near 100% certainty tell apart a person that's Scandinavian, African, Asian, Native American then wouldn't that mean there is very stark
and clear biological differences between populations? It may be insignificant but there is a very clear difference, otherwise we wouldn't be able to design such a high accuracy test.
Did you actually listen to the rest of the video? They very clearly said that there *aren't* stark differences and that the test results are flawed because a biological marker that is deemed an indicator for being West Asian may also be a biological marker other groups share. Literally an entire segment to that exact thing.
So no, the tests we have available do not tell with "near 100% certainty" what a person's race is. Even at 90% certainty, it doesn't. (At 90% certainty, 21% of his DNA was left "unassigned.") Like the video said. Maybe you need to watch to the very end, dude.
Well yes but you're ignoring the fact that 99.9% of our DNA is the same. So while people from different regions across the world will always have certain different characteristics, we are overall the same and when people start to think that they're almost a different species is when that sort of thinking becomes dangerous and it encourages one race to think they're superior to another.
"listen to the video" yes.....listen to some random guy and a liberal sociology professor....and take it as the complete truth. lol...they did not even mention neanderthal DNA, Mitochondrial DNA, Paternal DNA...etc lol yeah and Pygmy Africans are just *short* nope...no biological difference between humans at all! Because 2 people on a video put out by a liberal propaganda news site said so! @@Overquoted
Asking a sociologist about genetics. Everytime I think Vox can't sink lower, they do just that.
I've always wanted to take one to see how native I am because I hear all the time that we're super native but it played no role in my up bringing and for a while I didn't know if I was native enough to have a right to list it as one of my ethnic backgrounds. Now I don't care. Ive been learning about the tribe that contributed the most to my family and I love what I've learned and I think even a drop of blood gives me the right to learn and be proud of the journey my genetics took to bring me here. As the world's people spread and realize we're all one race of human and love and procreate we will have more diversity in our ethnicity until we all have ten or more cultures behind us. We don't need to be pure blood to love our history and where our ancestors came from.
You better buckle up bub
Races and ethnicities can have distinct differences. There is a reason why North and South Europeans look different. Why North, West, and South Africans look different. Why West, South, and East Asians look different. It explains why people of African descent dominate explosive sports and Why Northern Europeans dominate power lifting. Don't let people tell you that the human race is all one group.
On that note, we shouldn't discriminate based on various traits. We should learn to appreciate our differences since it is what makes us unique
Someone had to say it
bunu but are those differences genetic or just a product of the environment? The data says it’s probably more the latter.
@@tjwelsh1438 put an African famh in Ireland and their kids won't turn into genetic Irishman just from the environment. Humans evolved to adapt to their surroundings.
I'm going through a unique situation with Ancestry DNA. None of my father's family members are on Ancestry DNA. I took the test mainly to know more about my father's side of the family and got nothing. I put my father's father name in my family tree and got no hints. None. Every information I'm seeing is from my mother's side. Her cousins, her parents and her ancestors. All of their family tree is linked to my mother. When looking at people who match my DNA, my last name don't even show up. Something is very wrong, here.
Wouldn't be Vox without bringing up white supremacists... quota filled... great job.
I am thinking about it because I am gypsy.(I know we call ourselves Roma/Romani. I think of gypsy as yes a misnomer but a non-malicious one that can be useful to distinguish us from Romanians.)
Gypsies are a nomadic tribe of people. So I would like to see if I can trace my ancestor's voyage here through my lineage.
So the take-home message is take the test if you're curious about your "heritage" but take the results with a pinch of salt. (So many "takes"!) :)
Why would you interview a sociologist and not a geneticist?
Kebab with extra garlic mayo Because they want to prove that their sociology major wasn’t a huge waste of time and money.
Globalization starts way ancient than we thought. Genetist can only tell you have those genetic markers but they don't know the complex human history of interaction between region. Science field are overlapped, a breakthrough from 1 field becomes foundation of new discovery for another complete different field.
Simple the sociologist lady was talking about sample sizes and how inaccurate the data actually is since her whole thing is studying data , she didnt explain how genetics work.
bruh these videos are so interesting
Disappointed by Vox, once again, and not sure if it’s worth sticking around for much longer. You asked Prof Wendy Roth about genetics? She’s a sociology professor who mainly does research on the cultural components of identity. You know very well what answers you are more likely to receive when you ask sociologists about genetics. There’s not anything blatantly false in this video, so I’m not accusing you of furthering falsehoods, but some aspects are underplayed, while other are unreasonably amplified, giving a very skewed representation of the scientific certainty of these tests. Please do better, Vox.
This video is completely misleading and y’all really tryna make it oh where all the same yea expect for the 1% that makes someone OBVIOUSLY white or Asian or black and etc so don’t act dumb.
I went with ancestry dna.. I learned I have an older brother with 2768cM (full relation- same parent), we never met. I also found, the lesser percentages identify me stereotypically more than my majority DNA. Appearance, habits, language, learning... the small percentage was more precise. 40 and 30 percent irish and french, and I don't know either culture from a hole in the wall. I then learned Ancestry DNA's explanation: Time in location. This does not mean you are the location, physically.. it means you were there for a long time. It is a very interesting subject. You can be african, and be 100% american like me...or from Iran, or anyplace. america is too young to have us colorful people on our own marker.
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I could do that, the answer is always yes.
The company is called Ancestry.. people don't want to know about were there current family are.. I thought this is why it was called Ancestry, so people can find out about there ancestor's.. this has to be the dimmest thing I have ever heard.
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So really... I should just pick whatever race I feel close to anyways
I just got my 23 & me results and am completely underwhelmed by the lack of specifics and the very broad generalities that are basically "cover all bases" long with nonsense telling me I wake up around 7am on my days off... It also tells me I'm bald- I would never have know otherwise. Save your money guys.
Thank you for this important information... most of us don't have much working knowledge of how genetics work and what that means for our lineage and the limitations of these different companies that are offering DNA testing etcetera. Also, I think it's important the reminder that these tests could reinforce, in a not positive way, concepts about race and identity and ethnicity... also, I've heard it said that that there can be people in your lineage that don't show up in your DNA testing because those chromosomes in your particular combination didn't come out and be revealed. How we've become separated, by and large, and, family histories, oral histories of families and communities have been lost. Also, a good reminder that, genetically speaking, we are all mostly the same.... we come out looking differently, speaking differently, believing differently and acting differently. These differences are precious and should be celebrated, remembering our true connectedness.
She is not a geneticist lol
So since I’m a drop of East African, that means I can keep dropping the N word?! Koo!
This is why I roll my eyes at these tests. They don’t really tell you a lot more than what you already know.
They also don’t tell you anything about who you are as a person. For that you have to look at who your family is that you interact with and who your friends are. That forms the person that you are.
There was a video buzzfeed put out and there was a girl who legit started crying because she learned about the “history” that she didn’t know she had.
Yeah. Right.
It's true, they don't tell you what kind of person you are but however it can help you with your family history. I found out was a bit German which I didn't know. It turned out to be true when we looked further into it. So sometimes they are right.
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Comparison of different populations "in the modern world". I needed to know that one, thanks.
Of course.. and by extrapolation ancestry as well...
The modern Sudanese are probably the closest genetic relative to who ever lived in Sudan 1000 or 2000 years ago...
Yazd is a beautiful place :-)
Here after the 23 & Me controversy button : 🔘
THIS MAN SPEAKS THE TRUTH, ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY 💰, IT'S A JOKE. THIS IS THE REAL REASON WHY IT DOESN'T STAND UP, IN THE COURT OF LAW. A BIG REAL JOKE, A MONEY MAKER.
It’s very helpful to reference your genetic test against your family history if you can. My genetic test mostly confirmed what my family believed. Sometimes even down to specific cities.
My parents took these tests and there is nothing about cities-just regions.
@@sdarling6518 same
I'm really glad that you brought this up. Even though I know next to nothing about human genetics and how it affects physical features, I knew deep down inside something was off about this, especially when in other video ads they kept saying "this is only along your maternal bloodline". Next, I understand it being helpful for finding if you have any distant relatives out there, but if that is its most useful result, then it shouldn't be more than one company each with its own database. Each country should have ONE database. Finally, I would love for you to investigate into those companies that claim that by analyzing our DNA they can utilize science to suggest the best diet plans and exercise plans.
The marketing may be misleading, but the data is the data-nothing wrong there, IMO. You can argue about whether or not, they’re running the best experiment, but I think what they presented you was fair. There is a BIG difference between probability and guessing. Basically all conclusions in the world are based on probability. Once it’s presented to you, it’s up to you how you choose to interpret the data.
My sentiment exactly. This is a core criticism I have with Ezra and Vox.
If you read their website before you buy they explain all this to you and to the human mind it's acceptable enough into there is something better
So in other words this is juts a sophisticated way of taking your money, you know like a fortune 🔮 teller. Nice!
Maybe if they changed those numbers to pecentage of chance.
For example, say I get it and it says I'm 10% East Asian. Maybe instead of saying im 10% East Asian, it would be that theres a 10% chance that I'm east asian.
So glad I didn’t do this. Was nearly obsessed about it for a while.
Look at the map labels: East Asia, West Africa, and Europe. The specific East and West labels shows how limited this is as well.
why are you asking a sociologist about DNA. That’s like asking english teacher about physics
Weird that you talked to a sociologist instead of a geneticist
lol his relief after being told be wasn't 2% black
lol no. stop projecting your racism on others.
Is there scope for them realistically to become more accurate in the near future? Sequencing a whole genome, for instance, might be easier to do in the coming years and, perhaps couple with richer database, may offer us a chance at a greater, more bespoke understanding of our own ancestry. Great video, thank you.