I have a 2017 crf250l Rally and I love it. It fits my needs well. I ride a substantial way on the road to the off-road places and it is very comfortable on the road but handles the off road just fine. I’m 56 and I do occasionally ride technical single track going over big rocks and through deep streams and it can do it with ease. The extra weight is not enough to make that much of a difference to me. I never worry about running out of gas and I often ride for many hours off road. I’ve dropped my bike many times and it takes it well if you don’t mind some scuffing up but that’s what I got if for, to take the punishment and keep on going. I only wish it had a little more power without adding weight so I wish it were the 300 but it’s not enough of a change for me to make yet.
Yeah the 300l Rally seems prefect for my needs, and even with the factory power boost I heard the new engine is still very restricted bc of emissions standards. I bet it'll with a cat delete, new pipes, and ECU tune the 300l will be making nearly double the power of a stock 250l which is perfect for me.
" The extra weight is not enough to make that much of a difference to me." Exactly, if you are worried about roughly 10 kg extra weight, you should go to the gym more often. :D
I put 30000 miles on my rally250 before a car hit me. I put that bike through HELL... no valve adjustments. Just chain, oil, filters, tires. I really believe it would have gotten another 20k easy
I think i am settled on the Rally. One thing about the Rally is the front fairing/headlight/instruments are frame mounted. This is good because once you add other accessories like GPS and phone holder/charger etc, it's a lot of extra weight on the handlebars on the crf300L. The rally has the frame mounted dash so you can mount all your extra gear to that and not add anything to the handlebars...
2018 Rally owner. Besides the wind protection, the Rally fairing also keeps you drier when riding through water meaning just your feet get wet unless you really hammer through it. The other thing is the lower fairing has enough space in it to carry tools, tubes, a pump, and possibly a fuel bag depending on it's shape. Keeps the weight low.
@@Michael_Mears I'm in the desert west of the United States. Tracks through the desert can be strait and fast, which favors the Rally due to a slightly longer wb. OTOH, the L is easier to navigate rougher and twisty trails. Both will do it, one is more suitable. I chose the Rally because inevitably the wind blows here in the late afternoons and it's nice to be able to hit the pavement and slab it home at almost any speed I need.
The 300 Rally also has a USB port. With rear and front suspension upgrades, and better tires, the 300 Rally may be the ticket for many as both bikes can benefit from this.
@@2000jago No, I mean the Honda 450L = Service intervals (for 450L) are scheduled at 600 miles for oil changes and 1,800 miles for a valve check. For the Husqvarna 701 (a bike with much better performance): oil and valve checks every 6200 miles.
As someone who owns a 2016 Crf250l and a 2017 crf300 rally (cbr300r engine swap) I can confirm everything solid said - I think you mixed up rally and L @3:56 solid. Overall the rally is a better road bike, good and stable less likely to be affected by wind at high speed, does not turn in to the corners as fast as the L does - that weight difference is surprising !! Weight carried a lot higher up in rally, compounded by larger tank extra fuel load and navigation station - I am small frame and prefer the flick ability of the L myself - wind is solved with a “screens for bikes” screen - ACT based company - 250 is much more nimble off road - for me at my weight age and skill I can ride my 250l much quicker off-road than the rally. The rally is really wide at the backend too - that toolbox is huge!! The 300 motor does make the bike much more torquey, and the bike it always “should have been” - but overall I prefer (70% dirt) the agility and weight saving of the 250L - I can live in the shorter range . I carry a couple litres in those fuel rates eBay 1 litre canisters in my Bunnings pelican case. Tip for those who find suspension too squishy, rather than spend big on suspension wind the preload to max and change the front fork oil for 15w and overfill by 10% - it’s worked for me for two years (your mileage and skill level may vary - do at your own risk !) panels are way cheaper on the 250L too.
Thanks for the information. Damn the 300 plastics are expensive. Almost $700 plastics (every piece including $95 exhaust cover (plastic) Honda Melton Aus. Hopefully Lock down will end soon. Stay safe bro
I had the 250Rally and that's a big reason why I sold it! Also, it was a bit bulky for a 250cc, making it a handful to turn around in tight green lanes.
@@worldhello1234 i wont disagree with you , the rally is a fantastic bike 😎👌and if i did a lot of black top it would be high on my list , but i do a hell of a lot of bush single track and hard riding (for me) sooo its not ideal for me 😁👍 keep well mate and happy riding 😎🍺
Almost $700 full plastics on 300L (Honda store) I have broken plastics on 300L and you can't really tell. The Rally would have been destroyed and obvious to see. If you ride hard off road the 300l is only choice
I have found that a screen causing buffeting on the top of the helmet actually greatly increases fatigue so I went for the 300L. Also I am really pleased with the LED headlight at night on the L.
Hey, great vid thanks, just what I needed - an articulate and objective comparison of these two great bikes. As I never intend to 'drop' the bike and will be doing a lot of open riding between trail heads it's gotta be the rally! That extra range, brighter lights and windshield are worth their weight in gold.
Used to have the 250 Rally and it was nice on roads though anemic on highways here in Canada. One comment mentions dropping it and less to break on the 300l. Very true. First and only time I dropped it plastic broke and I drove it differently and slower after that. Also access to the engine requires removing a lot of plastic. So my 2 cents. Except we don’t have pennies anymore. Cheers
I bought a full set of plastics inside and out on 300L almost $700 AUD I'd hate to see how much more Rally would cost me. I have broken plastics on 300L so I don't want to imagine what damage I'd have done to the Rally
For me, even though I will be using it for a loooong trip, I chose the 300L. I contacted IMS to ask about the safari tank and they told me they have some other projects first so I should ask it again when spring of 2021 arrives. For city commuting and staying within the borders it's fine. Even in Europe, it's fine. I will have to think of a solution when I go on the trip to Asia though. There will be places where I will not see a gas station for more than the range of the 300L is.
Wander if it is possible to turn the rally only the 300l. I bought the rally and I'm hitting some jumps and doing right single track. But would love it to be smaller and lighter. Wander if it would be simple to transform it back to the 300l. While getting to keep the better breaks and other stuff.
Excellent review of the plus points of both bikes, Solid. I'm hacked off that Aus gets the Thai spec 300L but the UK doesn't! But having watched your analysis, the Rally probably suits my riding requirements better anyway, so I may well go this route.
I haven't ridden it so I might be wrong but the type of windshield on the Rally, where it's relatively straight up and down and far from the rider, is usually pretty noisy and subject to buffeting. So while, in theory, it should be better on longer trips, the windshield could actually make the ride more fatiguing. Test ride if you can before buying.
I've been asking dealerships where I live to test ride a rally, they just say no. Not enough bikes available for them to have a demo bike. As it is they have already told me March 2022 if I put a deposit in now. All their other stock allocation is already spoken for up until March next year
@@slakk5093 I got mine Feb/Mar. So I feel for you bro. Get frame guards and bash plate NOW even parts have a wait time. 6100+km 152kmh top speed. It's worth the wait. Stay safe
My local Honda dealer in the U.S. is only getting one allocation each of the 300L and Rally model. I just put a deposit down on the Rally. If you are from the states and interested in one of these bikes, I'd recommend not waiting for them to appear for sale on a dealer website. It is not uncommon for many new models to be "spoken for" well in advance. Especially dual sports.
If the dual sport market is so big idk why they're so limited on the release, do they do it on purpose to drive hype🤔. Whatever I'm probably gonna get myself one for my birthday which ain't till December anyways, hopefully they'll be around by then
So friggin true. Honestly only reason why I have the 300la instead of the Rally. 6100km later I'm happy but I'm doing more road than I thought. 152kmh top speed (I reckon she has a little more to go). If you ride hard off road then then L is better and cheaper when you need plastics lol
Man I just got the 300L U.S. Only bikes I have ever had are groms so I def love this thing but man does the wind beat me up on the highway! I’m going to be looking for a good windshield! Might should have got the rally
I thought same. It's brutal at speed with or without wind. Once I'm off road though, thats when I know I have correct bike. Can't believe I cant buy another one 6months I was told
And I agree with you solid because my buddy has a 2018 KLX 250 and his bike feels so light and nimble compared to my 250 rally... I know that KLX 250 is different than the CRF but I can imagine they're similar
They're both a let down for me. I was hoping for a little better, adjustable suspension for the more experienced riders. I'd love a small bore Honda bike, with long maintenance intervals that could stand up to more Enduro riding.
Right on this is the video I needed to see, getting the L for sure, apparently we are getting the Halogen and incandescent signals, as opposed to the LED your getting there. Thanks very informative 👍
Unless you are going to work hard on dirt tracks or moto type riding, the Rally is a better overall deal. The only real differences are the tank size and the width being 4 inches more in the Rally. The headlight is nice as well. But the Rally provides all the accessories and as we know, most people like all the extras, assist clutch, placement of foot pegs, the windshield, its all there. No add ons required. If you aren't riding moto, get rally, if you wish to ride harder, get the L. Most simply want to get dirty and ride well on the road which the Rally has the advantage. Nobody is really stating that this engine is the CB300R engine, which is a good business decision, reliability confidence for the buyer, and you can view this model on TH-cam to see its performance. It's the better deal when you consider its only competition is the KLX300 until Kawasaki releases the Jan 2021 models. Yamaha is out of the equation for this size of displacement and the KTM is well, eh more adventure bike.
Sticking point... the L has a lower seat height due to the thinner seat, even with the extra ground clearance. That is only due to the lower fairings on the Rally.
Easy , and f you have the cash for the extra plastic get the rally, if you want the best bang for you buck get the standard 300L and spend the rest for a proper skid plate , hand guards etc and maybe some suspension upgrades. You can also get a nice wind screen if you are so concerned about the wind buffering on the road.
Great video! I agree with your view. I’m getting the L to have in my home country. I have a KTM 690 and with a small windscreen I fixed the buffering issue on the road. The 8 litter tank will probably do 200km which is more than enough for the use I will give it. I heard that the plastics around the engine of the Rally keep lots of dirt inside. I like the look of the front of the rally but it’s two much Tupperware for my taste.
Let us know when you get some test drives. 300L suspension stiffness is my biggest question. To replace a Vstrom 650 with a 300Rally or keep the Vstrom and get the 300L.....
Suspension is useless on rally or the L. If pushing or you ride fast off road, then you'll need better. IT COMES DOWN TO YOU. it's perfectly fine for normal riding and road
They have dropped prices since first bikes arrived. $8700 300l cost me in Feb. The Rally dropped a little more vs the L. DON'T WAIT IF YOU CAN GET NOW!!
Good review. I grew up on dirt bikes and bought a road bike a few years ago ... I should have gone for a something designed for dirt. In my area of the US I think the Rally would be the one for me. Great comparison video.
@3:36 While it may technically be true, in practise it is not that big of a problem because the difference are only about 10 kg wet. If you ain't no Aussie bloke and live in a country were retrofitting LED headlamps is either expensive or legally impossible, the Rally is a great choice.
I'm confused. I've read repeatedly that the Rally has more ground clearance than the L. Which was the case historically. ADVpulse shows Rally at 33mm more ground clearance than the L. (this puts the weight increase - tower/screen and gas tank - even higher, making picking it up even harder). On a side note, how killer would the Rally look with side by side lights, like the original Africa Twin. And do something with the front break cable!
what I did - changed a rear shock to Ohlins as front end springs - complete game changer and now is about 5-6cm more than L version, but the bike feel sooo different!
Fuel tank size really is not a problem on the Rally being that the 300's are capable of 60 mpg after an hour of riding you have basicly the same amount of fuel in your tank as the 300L would full. seat height 10mm more, thats really not anything after the springs are broke in the all relaxed and that only takes a few rides...plus the suspension is pretty soft on both of theses bikes anyway.
How bad is the wind buffeting on the Rally? I suspect due to its rather vertical position, there's quite some turbulence behind it. I prefer a windscreen that is as low as possible and adjustable in angle, so there's a clean stream of air on my head.
I'm with you - I've found that those windshield deflectors do a fantastic job - mine only rises about an inch over the low screen height and directs a smooth stream of air. Cheap on amazon now.
@@mrsilbo6499 I call a Honda in Phuket and they say is 31on weel. I'm no expert, but they tell me that spec is different because of emission norms in the EU. They say t is probably done by cutting fuel dose on the ECU map. He says to me that this is basically a CBR300R engine and using ecu mod will be possible to make is 32bph in Europe again for around 250$. But I'm not an expert.
"keep a full petrol tank at home"? The point of fuel range is how far you can travel from a petrol station out in to the bush. Having petrol at home is no help whatsoever 😂. Either I'm getting the Rally or the 300L with an aftermarket fuel tank
Honestly you may as well get one of those adventure bikes if the bush is that far away from the pump lol. Weight reduction is my goal. I'm moving even further out into the sticks so I can probably gear down.
Home lol. 300L is fine 200km range. 152kmh I have hit (94 I think in mph). Get better tyres for Off road. Or YOU WILL STACK when pushing hard. If it's muddy good luck lol
Do you know if the LED turn signals will be available (either stock or aftermarket) for the US version of the 300 Rally? Also interested in a taller seat.
Great summary.... Although it feels a little like you've only virtually ridden the bikes....The plastic low fairing skirt on the rally looks ghey. That's the only downside I see to the Rally, Wonder it it can be removed and a real skid plate installed...
What's your thoughts on the CRF300 Rally vs the Dr650 for a 57 year old novice rider getting back into it after 25 years away who is small and skinny with a 32 inch inseam, planning on doing 50% pavement, 40% twin track and 10% single track. Looks like the DR can have a lower seat height of about 1.8 inches with a lowering link but is about 30 pounds heavier, but is the extra weight noticeable or is the lower seat height more important? Also considering the KTM 390 Adventure?
A year ago I choose the KTM 390ADV before the 250 rally. (The weight of my bike with some fuel in is 168kg then I put it on some scales). The KTM is awesome off road, but nothing to take on a single track, with the small wheels and low ground clearance. But it's a road bike on road, comfortable and fun. I have ridden 12000km since April. It would be nice to have a video comparison of the two: the KTM 390adv vs the 300 rally.
It would be even nicer to see KTM put that 390 motor in an Enduro bike similar to the 690. That’s the real comparison here. KTM needs to wake up and see that we want more details for options and less adventure options. The 390 engine is absolutely perfect for dual sport. They just need to put it in a proper frame and wheel size package.
I also bought BMW 310GS over the 250 rally, mainly due to the seat height. However, the 310GS is too heavy for any serious off road. Too bad I won't fit 250L or 300L. Don't know why Honda won't provide the Thailand version for shorter riders.
I’m a newbie to the dual sport world so quick question to the more experienced community. Would I be barking mad if I went out and purchased a 250L with the 300 out next year.? In terms of aftermarket parts, separate subframe the 250 still seems to be a viable option?
Not really mate, the 250 is a great entry level dual sport. Like you say plenty of accessories on the market as well. Ride it for 6 months then upgrade when you are ready 👍 Especially if you have time off for the holidays to ride 😁 The 300 will be better but if its your first dual sport it wont matter really.
The 250 has sold enough for you to have no problems whatsoever with parts & accessories. You should be able to pick up a good bargain now the 300 is out as well mate. For a 1st dual sport you could do a lot worse than getting the 250 in my opinion. There's nothing stopping you trading the 250 in for the 300 either if you fancy upgrading after a while.
How do you think the CRF300 Rally would go for a ride to Birdsville and then to Burketown, starting from the Sunshine Coast? Or go for something larger like a Tenere 700 or GS850?
But what if you had to choose between the two bikes if you want to go for the epic adventure ? Through Turkey to Iran. For sure the L is better in the technical stuff. But the larger fuelltank can take you much futher. I need a lighter bike then the KTM1190r that is. Riding at 90 km per hour is enough on the tarmac. But i want to ride offroad as much as possible. Still thinking about the Tenere 700, KTM 890r or the Honda CRF300xx. But i also need some luggage capabilities for a trip of more then 6 weeks.
Hard to say without having ridden the L and I will do a comparison video once I have. On paper I think the WR still has the edge when the going gets tough off road. It is the closest thing to and enduro without being an enduro IMO. What will be telling is the engine response for the 300 and if it provides a better bum in the seat experience. I don't like to think of bikes as better or worse, they are just suited to different situations and riding styles. Time will tell how they compare and if Yamaha come to the table with something later down the line 😎
@@chroniclesofsolid riders who are happy to ride trails at a moderate pace will enjoy the low down torque of the 300 vs the WR's power higher in the rev range. Start pushing it and as you know the crf's suspension low speed plushness will start to get the bike out of shape. If you upgrade the suspension then the frame flex starts to become apparent when ridden harder. This is where the stock WR still has the edge: frame and suspension. (crf300l: first cbr300 engine swap owner and now 2015 WR250R owner).
Yep the CRF300L should fit you fine and the L is the better off road bike compared to the Rally for the reasons you list. Get some bar risers and you will be sorted 👍
Hi brother...do you think that rally version is suitable for a road trip from colombia to chile? I mean... 50% of the travel would be on tarmak and 50% d be off road.. .. I just one to enjoy the off road travel in argentina and chile...
Man British chick make around the word on 250l, this is the best bike up to 60 miles h :)(250 ofc and 300 will be stronger). Cheap parts, cheap service easy to maintain.
IDK how nasty the off road parts down there get but for that trip I'd probably be looking at the new KLR 650 instead. It'd be much better on the highway, can carry a lot more gear easier, bigger gas tank stock, ect. It's also very capable off-road if your goal is to simply get through and not actively trying to push it to explore the depths of the forest.
I think your use of the term “high speed” when referring to the Rally version is deranged. Both of these will top out at around 75 mph, and any incline reduces this by 10 mph or more. 30hp is not a lot to play with. Bearing this in mind, there is not really going to be much benefit in going for the Rally for speed, only for the extra endurance that five litres more fuel provides.
You are right with power having nothing to play with. Wait for upgrades. Exhaust, ECU etc and she will act better. Euro 5 has hurt the performance. Give it time
Probably cost a ton of money too. Just as Honda planned it. They gouge you on the parts you are most likely to need. It is ridiculous. I have an Africa Twin with two taped on turn signals. I refuse to pay $100 delivered (each) for something that cost $20 to make. Plastics, mirrors, turn signals, all intentionally and absurdly priced.
KLX is cool but kawa didn't put in nearly as much effort as Honda this time. The devils in the details and it's clear Honda paid alot of attention to those.
I mostly do street riding with my rally occasionally light trails but I figure it's a nice comfortable ride & I can do some fun things with it along with good maintenance intervals & if it's built to go off-road but I keep it on road it should last a while haha. Nice bike Solid congrats on your purchase of the 300L
Talk about picking up a bike I remember I knocked over my big ass Africa twin 1100 thank God for those alt-Rider crash bars cuz it didn't do shit to the bike but that thing was hard as fuck to pick up but I got it by myself & i weight 160lbs 😂
At 4:19 when you spread out your finger from your thumb to show 10 mm your showing about 30 mm . 10 mm is the length of the average exposed finger nail that's trimmed . Your average skip plat you add is 4 to 5 mm if its metal , the 300l doesn't come with a skid plate so once you add a skid plate to the 300l your only talking about 5 mm difference ,that's half a finger nail difference, so no one is is going to be able to tell the difference in the ground clearance . It looks like the 300l has Front Brake Single 256mm disc with twin-piston caliper where the rally has Single 296mm disc with twin-piston caliper so your getting better stopping power with the rally . You said the rally is better for the shorter rider but the rally's seat height is listed as 35.2 inches and the 300l is 34.7 inches . How is a higher seat height going to help the shorter rider ? I think you messed that up real bad . Just because you have a 5mm difference in ground clearance once you add the skid plate to the 300l doesn't mean you have a lower seat height . Read the specs . The difference in the weight of the bike is listed in curb weight that means with fluids and gas the 300l is 309 lbs and the rally is 333 but the 300 l Fuel Capacity is only 2.1 gallons, and the rally's is 3.4 gallons that's 1.3 gallons more and 1.3 gallons of gas weights 6.5 lbs . So take 6.5 lbs of the 333 and your at 326.5 lb's making it a 17.5 lb difference in the 2 bikes . It looks like the rally has a skid plate of some type is it metal or plastic ? If its metal thats a good 3 lbs right there and you added a skid plate to the 300l the weight difference would now be 312 vs 326 lbs so now your down to 14 lbs . The rally has a wider seat also and lets face it most people are going to upgrade the 300l seat to a seat concept anyways so add another 2pound to the 300l for the new seat and that makes it 314 vs 326 that puts it at 12 lbs Your getting close to 10 lbs difference now so is 10 lbs less worth not having a extra gallon of gas ? Give me the extra gallon any day . Most people are going to upgrade the tiny 300l tank to the bigger after market tank right off the bat anyways so go ahead and add a 2 lbs difference in the bigger after market tank to the weight of the 300l and your now at 317 vs 326 now its only 9 lbs difference . So now your under 10 lb difference and your getting very cool led head lights and wind screen . If you get rid of the rally muffler and get a after market one you lose 10 pounds right there . so now your at the same weight as the 300l but a much cooler looking bike and better front wheel breaking because of the bigger disc size. 326 - 10 lbs with the after market muffler puts the Rally at 316 lbs vs the 300l at 317 lbs . So out on the dirt with the add on's your going to do to the 300l your going to be at the same weight as the Rally so you might as well just go for the Rally . Your only talking 750 dollars difference in price . The after market tank with the locking cap and the concept seat will put you over that by themselves . Now add on a upgrade led light and a skid plate and some hand guards and your over the price of the Rally . Don't be stupid, the Rally with its extras is going to be the same weight as the 300l once you do a tank ,seat , brush guard , led lights and skid plate updates but for a lot better price . Once you do the math you will see the Rally is the way to go both on road and off .
The 300l has a seat height of 880mm=..34.6" I would say it would be too tall for you....Go for a lower seat..drops it by 2.5" .Total height 816.5mm = 32.14" Steve
Thx for the video. Any TH-camr to investigate the following? Honda CRF 300 L (2021) - - - - - Bike for Thailand: . 31 HP . LED light 💡 . 1 year of insurance offered with the bike .. all for 4000 € or $ - - - - - Bike for Europe or American markets: . 27 HP . Halogen light 💡 . No deal offered as the 1yr free insurance for Thailand .. for 5800 € or $ ... Is this a case of « Honda taking its EU or US customers for a ride »?
If you want, you can bay in any european country where the Rally is availiable - just book a bike, book a fly and you in a perfect adventure trip riding home. If you need some serious addresses of Honda dealers, just let me know. Will be happy to help. Baught mine in Lithuania, devivery in late March
I have a 2017 crf250l Rally and I love it. It fits my needs well. I ride a substantial way on the road to the off-road places and it is very comfortable on the road but handles the off road just fine. I’m 56 and I do occasionally ride technical single track going over big rocks and through deep streams and it can do it with ease. The extra weight is not enough to make that much of a difference to me. I never worry about running out of gas and I often ride for many hours off road. I’ve dropped my bike many times and it takes it well if you don’t mind some scuffing up but that’s what I got if for, to take the punishment and keep on going. I only wish it had a little more power without adding weight so I wish it were the 300 but it’s not enough of a change for me to make yet.
Yeah the 300l Rally seems prefect for my needs, and even with the factory power boost I heard the new engine is still very restricted bc of emissions standards. I bet it'll with a cat delete, new pipes, and ECU tune the 300l will be making nearly double the power of a stock 250l which is perfect for me.
" The extra weight is not enough to make that much of a difference to me." Exactly, if you are worried about roughly 10 kg extra weight, you should go to the gym more often. :D
@@worldhello1234 isn't that the truth lol. I'm still laughing. "Go to the Gym more" pure Gold 😂
I put 30000 miles on my rally250 before a car hit me. I put that bike through HELL... no valve adjustments. Just chain, oil, filters, tires. I really believe it would have gotten another 20k easy
@@worldhello1234 I could shed 30lb if I would only eat better and exercise more and ride my bicycle more, but where is the fun in that? 😁
I think i am settled on the Rally. One thing about the Rally is the front fairing/headlight/instruments are frame mounted. This is good because once you add other accessories like GPS and phone holder/charger etc, it's a lot of extra weight on the handlebars on the crf300L. The rally has the frame mounted dash so you can mount all your extra gear to that and not add anything to the handlebars...
2018 Rally owner. Besides the wind protection, the Rally fairing also keeps you drier when riding through water meaning just your feet get wet unless you really hammer through it. The other thing is the lower fairing has enough space in it to carry tools, tubes, a pump, and possibly a fuel bag depending on it's shape. Keeps the weight low.
I'm making a list of why I'd go for the Rally over the L. You make some good points.
@@Michael_Mears I'm in the desert west of the United States. Tracks through the desert can be strait and fast, which favors the Rally due to a slightly longer wb. OTOH, the L is easier to navigate rougher and twisty trails. Both will do it, one is more suitable. I chose the Rally because inevitably the wind blows here in the late afternoons and it's nice to be able to hit the pavement and slab it home at almost any speed I need.
Great breakdown of their “intended” uses 👍. Now the tough part, being honest with yourself as to how YOU intend to use the bike 🤪!!!
Haha indeed! 👍
After I thought about your comment for awhile I'm leaning toward the Rally version. That is if we get it in the U.S.
1cm clearance difference might be caused by skid plate
Well said m8 - with you on that
And the extra weight
I went with the Rally. Better for the road. Had a WR before, a lot of wind buffering.
The 300 Rally also has a USB port. With rear and front suspension upgrades, and better tires, the 300 Rally may be the ticket for many as both bikes can benefit from this.
Hopefully they make a 450L rally someday with long maintenance intervals.
A million thumbs up!
maybe much more $$ 😝😝
Yeah I agree. I would have brought one if it wasn't so maintenance intensive.
@@2000jago No, I mean the Honda 450L = Service intervals (for 450L) are scheduled at 600 miles for oil changes and 1,800 miles for a valve check.
For the Husqvarna 701 (a bike with much better performance): oil and valve checks every 6200 miles.
Wait for 450 KTM twin-cylinder, coming this year !!
As someone who owns a 2016 Crf250l and a 2017 crf300 rally (cbr300r engine swap) I can confirm everything solid said - I think you mixed up rally and L @3:56 solid. Overall the rally is a better road bike, good and stable less likely to be affected by wind at high speed, does not turn in to the corners as fast as the L does - that weight difference is surprising !! Weight carried a lot higher up in rally, compounded by larger tank extra fuel load and navigation station - I am small frame and prefer the flick ability of the L myself - wind is solved with a “screens for bikes” screen - ACT based company - 250 is much more nimble off road - for me at my weight age and skill I can ride my 250l much quicker off-road than the rally. The rally is really wide at the backend too - that toolbox is huge!! The 300 motor does make the bike much more torquey, and the bike it always “should have been” - but overall I prefer (70% dirt) the agility and weight saving of the 250L - I can live in the shorter range . I carry a couple litres in those fuel rates eBay 1 litre canisters in my Bunnings pelican case. Tip for those who find suspension too squishy, rather than spend big on suspension wind the preload to max and change the front fork oil for 15w and overfill by 10% - it’s worked for me for two years (your mileage and skill level may vary - do at your own risk !) panels are way cheaper on the 250L too.
Great insight Michael, thanks 👍
Thanks for the information. Damn the 300 plastics are expensive. Almost $700 plastics (every piece including $95 exhaust cover (plastic) Honda Melton Aus. Hopefully Lock down will end soon. Stay safe bro
First 😁👍 the 300L for me as not as much crap to fix when you drop it and you will drop it 😉🤣
keep well mate 😁🍺
My thoughts exactly 🍺🥇
I had the 250Rally and that's a big reason why I sold it! Also, it was a bit bulky for a 250cc, making it a handful to turn around in tight green lanes.
If you do commuting on the road, you won't necessarily drop it.You always can add proper crash bars. The added benefits are worth it. ;)
@@worldhello1234 i wont disagree with you , the rally is a fantastic bike 😎👌and if i did a lot of black top it would be high on my list , but i do a hell of a lot of bush single track and hard riding (for me) sooo its not ideal for me 😁👍
keep well mate and happy riding 😎🍺
Almost $700 full plastics on 300L (Honda store) I have broken plastics on 300L and you can't really tell. The Rally would have been destroyed and obvious to see. If you ride hard off road the 300l is only choice
I have found that a screen causing buffeting on the top of the helmet actually greatly increases fatigue so I went for the 300L. Also I am really pleased with the LED headlight at night on the L.
Hey, great vid thanks, just what I needed - an articulate and objective comparison of these two great bikes. As I never intend to 'drop' the bike and will be doing a lot of open riding between trail heads it's gotta be the rally! That extra range, brighter lights and windshield are worth their weight in gold.
Used to have the 250 Rally and it was nice on roads though anemic on highways here in Canada. One comment mentions dropping it and less to break on the 300l. Very true. First and only time I dropped it plastic broke and I drove it differently and slower after that. Also access to the engine requires removing a lot of plastic. So my 2 cents. Except we don’t have pennies anymore. Cheers
Great point!
I bought a full set of plastics inside and out on 300L almost $700 AUD I'd hate to see how much more Rally would cost me. I have broken plastics on 300L so I don't want to imagine what damage I'd have done to the Rally
Funny thing is I'd buy a 300 Rally if I was to buy another
I own a honda crf 150L here in the Philippines. Wish i could upgrade to 300cc soon. Thanks for this review. Ride safe!
For me, even though I will be using it for a loooong trip, I chose the 300L. I contacted IMS to ask about the safari tank and they told me they have some other projects first so I should ask it again when spring of 2021 arrives. For city commuting and staying within the borders it's fine. Even in Europe, it's fine. I will have to think of a solution when I go on the trip to Asia though. There will be places where I will not see a gas station for more than the range of the 300L is.
Yep, should make an excellent light adv bike with the right accessories
At 150kg the rally would feel like a push bike to me. Very happy to have an extra 10kg if it means better fuel range
Its going to be a great little long distance beastie 😎
Agree with you.. at 150 kgs the hondas weight should be least of your worries 😜
THATS NOTHOING COMPARED TO MOTORCY OVER 200KG. TO 250KG
Wander if it is possible to turn the rally only the 300l. I bought the rally and I'm hitting some jumps and doing right single track. But would love it to be smaller and lighter. Wander if it would be simple to transform it back to the 300l. While getting to keep the better breaks and other stuff.
Perfecto. Has resuelto mis dudas. La 300L es para mi.
Excellent review of the plus points of both bikes, Solid. I'm hacked off that Aus gets the Thai spec 300L but the UK doesn't! But having watched your analysis, the Rally probably suits my riding requirements better anyway, so I may well go this route.
I haven't ridden it so I might be wrong but the type of windshield on the Rally, where it's relatively straight up and down and far from the rider, is usually pretty noisy and subject to buffeting. So while, in theory, it should be better on longer trips, the windshield could actually make the ride more fatiguing. Test ride if you can before buying.
I've been asking dealerships where I live to test ride a rally, they just say no. Not enough bikes available for them to have a demo bike. As it is they have already told me March 2022 if I put a deposit in now. All their other stock allocation is already spoken for up until March next year
I've been told same. I have a 300L I went to buy another 3 days ago and wouldn't take my deposit. I was told over 6months
@@slakk5093 I got mine Feb/Mar. So I feel for you bro. Get frame guards and bash plate NOW even parts have a wait time. 6100+km 152kmh top speed. It's worth the wait. Stay safe
My local Honda dealer in the U.S. is only getting one allocation each of the 300L and Rally model. I just put a deposit down on the Rally. If you are from the states and interested in one of these bikes, I'd recommend not waiting for them to appear for sale on a dealer website. It is not uncommon for many new models to be "spoken for" well in advance. Especially dual sports.
If the dual sport market is so big idk why they're so limited on the release, do they do it on purpose to drive hype🤔. Whatever I'm probably gonna get myself one for my birthday which ain't till December anyways, hopefully they'll be around by then
I was lucky I got one late Feb here. I tried to buy another this week and was laughed at. Was told lucky if more here in 6months. Victoria Australia
Great breakdown. I can't wait to hear about how the test rides went. I look forward to more in the future!!!
which one is for you!
the cheaper one. The cheaper one is for me
So friggin true. Honestly only reason why I have the 300la instead of the Rally. 6100km later I'm happy but I'm doing more road than I thought. 152kmh top speed (I reckon she has a little more to go). If you ride hard off road then then L is better and cheaper when you need plastics lol
Perfect info Mr Solid. Cheers 👏
This is easy! Do you plan on hitting the highway more then the dirt? Rally! If you have another bike for road, get the regular
What if I don’t plan on hitting the highway and just want to stick to the dirt but don’t have a bike for the highway?
Windshield lol. I love it when there’s a little Easter egg.
Man I just got the 300L U.S.
Only bikes I have ever had are groms so I def love this thing but man does the wind beat me up on the highway! I’m going to be looking for a good windshield! Might should have got the rally
I thought same. It's brutal at speed with or without wind. Once I'm off road though, thats when I know I have correct bike. Can't believe I cant buy another one 6months I was told
And I agree with you solid because my buddy has a 2018 KLX 250 and his bike feels so light and nimble compared to my 250 rally... I know that KLX 250 is different than the CRF but I can imagine they're similar
Great insight, just what I was looking for.
Cheers mate
They're both a let down for me. I was hoping for a little better, adjustable suspension for the more experienced riders. I'd love a small bore Honda bike, with long maintenance intervals that could stand up to more Enduro riding.
Right on this is the video I needed to see, getting the L for sure, apparently we are getting the Halogen and incandescent signals, as opposed to the LED your getting there.
Thanks very informative 👍
I feel bad for the Americas. Why Honda put old looking lights? Im Australia Victoria luckily but none available atm
Unless you are going to work hard on dirt tracks or moto type riding, the Rally is a better overall deal. The only real differences are the tank size and the width being 4 inches more in the Rally. The headlight is nice as well. But the Rally provides all the accessories and as we know, most people like all the extras, assist clutch, placement of foot pegs, the windshield, its all there. No add ons required. If you aren't riding moto, get rally, if you wish to ride harder, get the L. Most simply want to get dirty and ride well on the road which the Rally has the advantage. Nobody is really stating that this engine is the CB300R engine, which is a good business decision, reliability confidence for the buyer, and you can view this model on TH-cam to see its performance. It's the better deal when you consider its only competition is the KLX300 until Kawasaki releases the Jan 2021 models. Yamaha is out of the equation for this size of displacement and the KTM is well, eh more adventure bike.
The 300L has slipper also. Just in case you thought differently
Sticking point... the L has a lower seat height due to the thinner seat, even with the extra ground clearance. That is only due to the lower fairings on the Rally.
Easy , and f you have the cash for the extra plastic get the rally, if you want the best bang for you buck get the standard 300L and spend the rest for a proper skid plate , hand guards etc and maybe some suspension upgrades. You can also get a nice wind screen if you are so concerned about the wind buffering on the road.
the 300 rally actually have a higher seat height, 885mm compare to 300L's 880mm. the ground clearance of the 300 rally is 275mm, to the 300L's 285mm
Well spotted Peter, thanks!
LIKE TO BE ABLE TO LOWER IT ALL TO GET ON IT EASIER. DON'T CARE ABOUT GROUND CLEARANCE.
Great video! I agree with your view. I’m getting the L to have in my home country. I have a KTM 690 and with a small windscreen I fixed the buffering issue on the road. The 8 litter tank will probably do 200km which is more than enough for the use I will give it. I heard that the plastics around the engine of the Rally keep lots of dirt inside. I like the look of the front of the rally but it’s two much Tupperware for my taste.
Let us know when you get some test drives. 300L suspension stiffness is my biggest question. To replace a Vstrom 650 with a 300Rally or keep the Vstrom and get the 300L.....
theres only a 750usd price difference in the L and the Rally
I'm in the same position as you. Pretty close to pulling the trigger and replacing my V-Strom 650 for a 300 Rally.
Suspension is useless on rally or the L. If pushing or you ride fast off road, then you'll need better. IT COMES DOWN TO YOU. it's perfectly fine for normal riding and road
They have dropped prices since first bikes arrived. $8700 300l cost me in Feb. The Rally dropped a little more vs the L. DON'T WAIT IF YOU CAN GET NOW!!
Hello from Illinois USA. Getting my 300L real soon from Hawkeye Powersports in Davenport Iowa. A Honda Powerhouse dealership. 👍
Congrats!
Have you got the bike yet and if so how do you like it...DRZ rider here in Galesburg Illinois
Excellent job Solid
👍
I take it the 300L would be better than the KTM 390 adv for green laning and off road?
L will be better off road without question but the 390 will be the better ride to get there.
Did Honda happen to give a date for availability?
Here in Aus its apparently March 2021
@@chroniclesofsolid in Europe January 2021
What about differences in rake and trail? Aren’t those the most important of all?
Good review. I grew up on dirt bikes and bought a road bike a few years ago ... I should have gone for a something designed for dirt. In my area of the US I think the Rally would be the one for me. Great comparison video.
@3:36 While it may technically be true, in practise it is not that big of a problem because the difference are only about 10 kg wet. If you ain't no Aussie bloke and live in a country were retrofitting LED headlamps is either expensive or legally impossible, the Rally is a great choice.
I'm confused. I've read repeatedly that the Rally has more ground clearance than the L. Which was the case historically. ADVpulse shows Rally at 33mm more ground clearance than the L. (this puts the weight increase - tower/screen and gas tank - even higher, making picking it up even harder). On a side note, how killer would the Rally look with side by side lights, like the original Africa Twin. And do something with the front break cable!
Aus spec L gained 30mm and now sits at 285mm clearance and the Rally gained 5mm sitting at 275mm www.mcnews.com.au/2021-honda-crf300-rally/
what I did - changed a rear shock to Ohlins as front end springs - complete game changer and now is about 5-6cm more than L version, but the bike feel sooo different!
I just want to know what the price is going to be?
500 USD more compare to CRF 250L
I’ll go with the 300L. Why? It’s because that’s the only model coming to the Honda Dealer in my area.
¿Is there any info about the maintenance interval for these two bikes?
It’s the same engine as the CB300’s so my guess is that maintenance will be fairly decent just like the 250.
Manual states every 16,000 miles for valves, 8,000 for oil.
So does mean there’s a wr300r coming as well
I sure hope so Glen! Yamaha have made no intentions public though and don't seem to be bothered atm 😢
That would be cool! Maybe not in 2021, but for the future, you never know.
I'll have to find out what the service intervals are, especially valve clearances. I don't like super-short service intervals.
6000 KM
Service intervals are the million dollar question. Yet non of these guys talk about it. Shameful.
@@lightning9279 google is your friend.
@@anxiousappliance At the time the manufacturer hadn't put the info out. Many of us looked.
@@lightning9279 sorry for the snark: It's going to be just like the 250 - or near enough.
Fuel tank size really is not a problem on the Rally being that the 300's are capable of 60 mpg after an hour of riding you have basicly the same amount of fuel in your tank as the 300L would full. seat height 10mm more, thats really not anything after the springs are broke in the all relaxed and that only takes a few rides...plus the suspension is pretty soft on both of theses bikes anyway.
Thanks for your kind information. I am waiting here in Nepal. I prefer rally because i seldom ride bike.
How bad is the wind buffeting on the Rally? I suspect due to its rather vertical position, there's quite some turbulence behind it.
I prefer a windscreen that is as low as possible and adjustable in angle, so there's a clean stream of air on my head.
I'm with you - I've found that those windshield deflectors do a fantastic job - mine only rises about an inch over the low screen height and directs a smooth stream of air. Cheap on amazon now.
It is surprisingly good at wind control.
Is it possible to fit the rally front structure to a standard L?
i w8 for one. The problem is why Thailand has 31 bhp and UK just 26 bph. 31 look more pleasant on motorway, especially with duffel bag etc
Just consider that the CRF 300L possibly has 31bhp at the crank and 27 bhp at the rear wheel. It all depends on how you quote the output.
@@mrsilbo6499 2021 CRF300L Engine Performance Specs (Thailand spec )
2021 CRF300L Horsepower: 31 HP @ 8,500 RPM
2021 CRF300L Torque: 19.3 ft/lb TQ @ 7,000 RPM
Update: 2021 CRF300L Engine Performance Specs (Europe spec release)
2021 CRF300L Horsepower: 27 HP @ 8,500 RPM
2021 CRF300L Torque: 19.6 lb/ft TQ @ 4,750 RPM
@@mrsilbo6499 I call a Honda in Phuket and they say is 31on weel. I'm no expert, but they tell me that spec is different because of emission norms in the EU. They say t is probably done by cutting fuel dose on the ECU map. He says to me that this is basically a CBR300R engine and using ecu mod will be possible to make is 32bph in Europe again for around 250$. But I'm not an expert.
@@michaeljohanowicz8697 Great research, Michael! I'm sure the tuning community will find those extra horses for us! 😉
@@mrsilbo6499 And this is important for me because I'm...17 stone + gear +28 kg camping gear+ 10kg camel tank+ 8kg crash bars
Just brought a 300l have a Gs1250 for the road
Can it really go fast enough to need a windscreen? I’m good with the standard and buy a bigger fuel tank.
My Rally is more stable in high winds than the KLR it replaced.
I kinda find that hard to believe, was it an older KLR?
I wanna know if North America is getting either one!
The seat hight info you give is the opposite of Honda's info. Honda say L = 830, Rally = 895. Same for Ground clearance.
Which one does itchy boots use?
Rally
300L looks like the one for me! I have a car and Im new to offroading also the 300l looks a lot nicer. you can just keep a full petrol tank at home
"keep a full petrol tank at home"? The point of fuel range is how far you can travel from a petrol station out in to the bush. Having petrol at home is no help whatsoever 😂. Either I'm getting the Rally or the 300L with an aftermarket fuel tank
Honestly you may as well get one of those adventure bikes if the bush is that far away from the pump lol. Weight reduction is my goal. I'm moving even further out into the sticks so I can probably gear down.
Home lol. 300L is fine 200km range. 152kmh I have hit (94 I think in mph). Get better tyres for Off road. Or YOU WILL STACK when pushing hard. If it's muddy good luck lol
Do you know if the LED turn signals will be available (either stock or aftermarket) for the US version of the 300 Rally? Also interested in a taller seat.
34.7" seat height isn't high enough? 🤣
Great summary.... Although it feels a little like you've only virtually ridden the bikes....The plastic low fairing skirt on the rally looks ghey. That's the only downside I see to the Rally, Wonder it it can be removed and a real skid plate installed...
Yep, this was pre launch before anyone could ride one 👍
Hi !
Does it have rubber cush drive ?
What's your thoughts on the CRF300 Rally vs the Dr650 for a 57 year old novice rider getting back into it after 25 years away who is small and skinny with a 32 inch inseam, planning on doing 50% pavement, 40% twin track and 10% single track. Looks like the DR can have a lower seat height of about 1.8 inches with a lowering link but is about 30 pounds heavier, but is the extra weight noticeable or is the lower seat height more important? Also considering the KTM 390 Adventure?
I will chuck this into this weeks Q&A 👍
A year ago I choose the KTM 390ADV before the 250 rally. (The weight of my bike with some fuel in is 168kg then I put it on some scales). The KTM is awesome off road, but nothing to take on a single track, with the small wheels and low ground clearance. But it's a road bike on road, comfortable and fun. I have ridden 12000km since April.
It would be nice to have a video comparison of the two: the KTM 390adv vs the 300 rally.
See what I can once I get a leg over the L and Rally 👍
It would be even nicer to see KTM put that 390 motor in an Enduro bike similar to the 690. That’s the real comparison here. KTM needs to wake up and see that we want more details for options and less adventure options. The 390 engine is absolutely perfect for dual sport. They just need to put it in a proper frame and wheel size package.
I also bought BMW 310GS over the 250 rally, mainly due to the seat height. However, the 310GS is too heavy for any serious off road. Too bad I won't fit 250L or 300L. Don't know why Honda won't provide the Thailand version for shorter riders.
I’m a newbie to the dual sport world so quick question to the more experienced community. Would I be barking mad if I went out and purchased a 250L with the 300 out next year.? In terms of aftermarket parts, separate subframe the 250 still seems to be a viable option?
Not really mate, the 250 is a great entry level dual sport. Like you say plenty of accessories on the market as well. Ride it for 6 months then upgrade when you are ready 👍 Especially if you have time off for the holidays to ride 😁 The 300 will be better but if its your first dual sport it wont matter really.
Understood. Thanks for taking the time to reply 👍
The 250 has sold enough for you to have no problems whatsoever with parts & accessories. You should be able to pick up a good bargain now the 300 is out as well mate. For a 1st dual sport you could do a lot worse than getting the 250 in my opinion. There's nothing stopping you trading the 250 in for the 300 either if you fancy upgrading after a while.
@@DavyRo.. Cheers mate for the advice
250 will be better on fuel economy
How do you think the CRF300 Rally would go for a ride to Birdsville and then to Burketown, starting from the Sunshine Coast? Or go for something larger like a Tenere 700 or GS850?
For that I'd probably go for the new KLR 650
But what if you had to choose between the two bikes if you want to go for the epic adventure ? Through Turkey to Iran.
For sure the L is better in the technical stuff. But the larger fuelltank can take you much futher. I need a lighter bike then the KTM1190r that is. Riding at 90 km per hour is enough on the tarmac. But i want to ride offroad as much as possible.
Still thinking about the Tenere 700, KTM 890r or the Honda CRF300xx. But i also need some luggage capabilities for a trip of more then 6 weeks.
The WR250R is still the better bike right, if available? Weight, suspension etc?
Better for what and who? :) Not necessarily.
@chroniclesofsolid is who I have in mind. Agree not right for everyone or every situation. Interested in his opinion
Hard to say without having ridden the L and I will do a comparison video once I have. On paper I think the WR still has the edge when the going gets tough off road. It is the closest thing to and enduro without being an enduro IMO. What will be telling is the engine response for the 300 and if it provides a better bum in the seat experience. I don't like to think of bikes as better or worse, they are just suited to different situations and riding styles. Time will tell how they compare and if Yamaha come to the table with something later down the line 😎
@@chroniclesofsolid riders who are happy to ride trails at a moderate pace will enjoy the low down torque of the 300 vs the WR's power higher in the rev range. Start pushing it and as you know the crf's suspension low speed plushness will start to get the bike out of shape. If you upgrade the suspension then the frame flex starts to become apparent when ridden harder. This is where the stock WR still has the edge: frame and suspension. (crf300l: first cbr300 engine swap owner and now 2015 WR250R owner).
@@petewebb5149 Nice summary Peter, thanks 👍
Is this size bike good for a first bike for somebody that’s 6’1 and 175?
Sure sounds right - get ABS, and see if you like sitting up high from the ground.
Awesome. I hear the 300L is the better bike off road for ground clearance and weight. So excited to get another summer toy hahaha
Yep the CRF300L should fit you fine and the L is the better off road bike compared to the Rally for the reasons you list. Get some bar risers and you will be sorted 👍
Very nice Honda when will you build a midsize big boy bike 650 rally 700 🙉🙊🙈🇨🇦
I mean that's pretty much the CB500x no
when will we see first reviews? Also CMX1100 would be great to see live
It is supposed to be here in OZ in March, I will get a leg over as soon as its here 👍
Definition of a screen...it has holes in it and winds goes through it. A windshield has no holes and deflects wind!
Hi brother...do you think that rally version is suitable for a road trip from colombia to chile? I mean... 50% of the travel would be on tarmak and 50% d be off road.. .. I just one to enjoy the off road travel in argentina and chile...
Man British chick make around the word on 250l, this is the best bike up to 60 miles h :)(250 ofc and 300 will be stronger). Cheap parts, cheap service easy to maintain.
The Rally would be perfect IMO
They make a great rear rack with a gallon extra gas tank that latches to it. You could go much farther with it in very long rural rides in Chile.
IDK how nasty the off road parts down there get but for that trip I'd probably be looking at the new KLR 650 instead. It'd be much better on the highway, can carry a lot more gear easier, bigger gas tank stock, ect. It's also very capable off-road if your goal is to simply get through and not actively trying to push it to explore the depths of the forest.
Ordered rally just don’t know when I’ll get delivery in uk hay ho it is what it is
Congrats 🎉
I think your use of the term “high speed” when referring to the Rally version is deranged. Both of these will top out at around 75 mph, and any incline reduces this by 10 mph or more. 30hp is not a lot to play with. Bearing this in mind, there is not really going to be much benefit in going for the Rally for speed, only for the extra endurance that five litres more fuel provides.
94mph or 152kmh on screen. That's on a flat 300La stock except for heated grips. Now over 6000km and getting faster with higher km?
You are right with power having nothing to play with. Wait for upgrades. Exhaust, ECU etc and she will act better. Euro 5 has hurt the performance. Give it time
Sounds like 300L is going to be epic supermoto
A friend dropped his Rally..just a minor tip over..smashed the whole side of the bike..bad. hard brittle plastic.
Probably cost a ton of money too. Just as Honda planned it.
They gouge you on the parts you are most likely to need. It is ridiculous. I have an Africa Twin with two taped on turn signals. I refuse to pay $100 delivered (each) for something that cost $20 to make.
Plastics, mirrors, turn signals, all intentionally and absurdly priced.
Not such a tough decision...get the KLX300 in camo grey!
KLX is cool but kawa didn't put in nearly as much effort as Honda this time. The devils in the details and it's clear Honda paid alot of attention to those.
In Australia klx is not a dual sport. Not road legal here. So Honda X10 better
Will they do a backflip
I wasn't honest with myself and bought 300la. I'm trying to buy another but I've been told 6months. I'm hoping Honda dealer was not truthful
Rally has a bit larger fuel tank so can go on longer rides
I mostly do street riding with my rally occasionally light trails but I figure it's a nice comfortable ride & I can do some fun things with it along with good maintenance intervals & if it's built to go off-road but I keep it on road it should last a while haha. Nice bike Solid congrats on your purchase of the 300L
Talk about picking up a bike I remember I knocked over my big ass Africa twin 1100 thank God for those alt-Rider crash bars cuz it didn't do shit to the bike but that thing was hard as fuck to pick up but I got it by myself & i weight 160lbs 😂
We want a crf500 that weighs as much as a ktm 500
Whyy
I'd like a super moto version!
No CRF300M version. For me, I'd get Warp9s with same front disc/rear sprocket for easy DS SM transition.
rally is taller always, dont get it wrong
At 4:19 when you spread out your finger from your thumb to show 10 mm your showing about 30 mm . 10 mm is the length of the average exposed finger nail that's trimmed . Your average skip plat you add is 4 to 5 mm if its metal , the 300l doesn't come with a skid plate so once you add a skid plate to the 300l your only talking about 5 mm difference ,that's half a finger nail difference, so no one is is going to be able to tell the difference in the ground clearance .
It looks like the 300l has Front Brake Single 256mm disc with twin-piston caliper where the rally has Single 296mm disc with twin-piston caliper so your getting better stopping power with the rally .
You said the rally is better for the shorter rider but the rally's seat height is listed as 35.2 inches and the 300l is 34.7 inches . How is a higher seat height going to help the shorter rider ? I think you messed that up real bad . Just because you have a 5mm difference in ground clearance once you add the skid plate to the 300l doesn't mean you have a lower seat height . Read the specs .
The difference in the weight of the bike is listed in curb weight that means with fluids and gas the 300l is 309 lbs and the rally is 333 but the 300 l Fuel Capacity is only 2.1 gallons, and the rally's is 3.4 gallons that's 1.3 gallons more and 1.3 gallons of gas weights 6.5 lbs . So take 6.5 lbs of the 333 and your at 326.5 lb's making it a 17.5 lb difference in the 2 bikes .
It looks like the rally has a skid plate of some type is it metal or plastic ? If its metal thats a good 3 lbs right there and you added a skid plate to the 300l the weight difference would now be 312 vs 326 lbs so now your down to 14 lbs .
The rally has a wider seat also and lets face it most people are going to upgrade the 300l seat to a seat concept anyways so add another 2pound to the 300l for the new seat and that makes it 314 vs 326 that puts it at 12 lbs
Your getting close to 10 lbs difference now so is 10 lbs less worth not having a extra gallon of gas ? Give me the extra gallon any day . Most people are going to upgrade the tiny 300l tank to the bigger after market tank right off the bat anyways so go ahead and add a 2 lbs difference in the bigger after market tank to the weight of the 300l and your now at 317 vs 326 now its only 9 lbs difference .
So now your under 10 lb difference and your getting very cool led head lights and wind screen . If you get rid of the rally muffler and get a after market one you lose 10 pounds right there . so now your at the same weight as the 300l but a much cooler looking bike and better front wheel breaking because of the bigger disc size. 326 - 10 lbs with the after market muffler puts the Rally at 316 lbs vs the 300l at 317 lbs .
So out on the dirt with the add on's your going to do to the 300l your going to be at the same weight as the Rally so you might as well just go for the Rally .
Your only talking 750 dollars difference in price . The after market tank with the locking cap and the concept seat will put you over that by themselves . Now add on a upgrade led light and a skid plate and some hand guards and your over the price of the Rally .
Don't be stupid, the Rally with its extras is going to be the same weight as the 300l once you do a tank ,seat , brush guard , led lights and skid plate updates but for a lot better price . Once you do the math you will see the Rally is the way to go both on road and off .
I’m 5ft 8 will it be too tall or too small?
Should be fine, if its too tall just add a factory lowering link and lower seat 👍
The 300l has a seat height of 880mm=..34.6"
I would say it would be too tall for you....Go for a lower seat..drops it by 2.5" .Total height 816.5mm = 32.14" Steve
@@stever6542 thank you Steve!
The more expensive one is best , who'd of thought it.
Honder Australia?
Service intervals? That's the big question no one is talking about.
12.000 km service intervals.
It's a Honda, so you'll be getting some of the best mileage between service intervals that you can.
@@DavyRo My comment addressed service intervals not mileage. Totally different subject. But, yes, you are correct.
Thx for the video. Any TH-camr to investigate the following?
Honda CRF 300 L (2021)
- - - - -
Bike for Thailand:
. 31 HP
. LED light 💡
. 1 year of insurance offered with the bike .. all for
4000 € or $
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Bike for Europe or American markets:
. 27 HP
. Halogen light 💡
. No deal offered as the 1yr free insurance for Thailand .. for
5800 € or $
...
Is this a case of « Honda taking its EU or US customers for a ride »?
Why isn't everyone getting an led headlight? That's just stupid
want to but ...not buying ...still watching
Sorry Honda send more crf300 to canada we really need them and we will forget about all the other bikes not available in canada.please and thank you.
Yes please as it seems Canada at this moment needs a major freedom injection ❕
Sadly no choice in Belgium, The Netherlands, Luxemburg and France: only the L is coming, not the Rally.
If you want, you can bay in any european country where the Rally is availiable - just book a bike, book a fly and you in a perfect adventure trip riding home. If you need some serious addresses of Honda dealers, just let me know. Will be happy to help. Baught mine in Lithuania, devivery in late March
Same here in Denmark, only the L
Put a skid plate on the L and it probably will end up with the same ground clearance as the Rally.
Spot on. Nobody thought that the bash plate is reason why 10mm less lol
A GS1200 is much heavier than a crf300l and would be a pain to pick up. A crf300l compared to the crf300 rally is not that much of a difference.