That sounds like something Tzeentch would say. Although the other major chaos gods would frase it differently. For nurgle, the great game give his followers a challenge to survive. For chorne, a never ending war to test themselves. For slaanesh; the a never ending way to experience unique feelings and situations.
I don’t think any of the Chaos Gods can actually win the Great Game. Sure, one may gain and/or lose ground to one another. However, I don’t think they eradicate the other entirely. Each of the Chaos Gods and the domains they are represent are in fact interconnected. There are feelings of despair, rage, ambition, and lust that overlap…or are even nested with one another. Think about the complexity of the emotions of sapient beings. One can feel more than one emotion at a time. Heck, one emotion can feed and lead to another. I think it’s the same of the Chaos Gods. They are interconnected and perhaps nested in each other. Even if one were to “destroy” the others, they would recreate their rival. They are trapped and bound to each other for eternity.
considering the short comment about the great game resulting in one of two endings, that being one of the end times and the other with no ending at all, i wonder if GW will ever ever have the gonads to retcon the events of the end times themselves. perhaps an alternate universe where age of sigmar exists, and another timeline where chaos continues to fight amongst themselves. warhammer fantasy does fantasy right, and in a really creative way no less. it's a shame GW sort of just upheaved it because it wasn't has popular as 40k. praise sigmar we still have we not only have vermintide, but also total war and this channel to give it some life!
I just hope that they do not "solidify" the End Times as an event by doing some temporal shenanigans, I hate that. Retcon it in the most brutal of ways: it never happened!
Give it 5 years, fantasy will be back and aos and fantasy will be linear parts of the universe, like all of fantasy happened in one part of the aos universe or vice versa, so its like a cycle of fantasy to end times to aos to sigmar reforging the universe and back to fantasy
See i mever understood why they cant have aos and whfb coexisting in an alternate universe of even a war in the heavens like u have the old world and aos taking place in the realms of the gods
I've heard the reason 40k became more popular was because the rules are simpler and easier to master, the models are more affordable, and people seemed to like Space Marines more than knights on horseback. I used to play fantasy at a local war- gaming club, but most members only played 40k. Most Warhammer references found in other media also seems to be about 40k rather than fantasy. Before Total War: Warhammer, 40k had many successful video game adaptations, where as fantasy only had Mark of Chaos which didn't do too well, and Warhammer Online which was killed by more successful MMOs.
Chaos will always be one of the gems that drew my eye toward the warhammer universe in its entirety. Fantasy, age of sigmar, 40K, it will always be of interest to me. The whole mythology of the ruinous powers will always stand out amidst all others. Ascension to a daemon prince has always been my favorite bit of lore from chaos.
The Dark Gods of Chaos are more interested in their Great Game than they are to any war within the material plane. Endless Eons of conflict has been fought within the Realms of Chaos and innumerable armies are send against each other which are destroyed and remade by them to continue their long game, but it is clear that they do not want a clear winner, just the endless conflict feeds them more than enough that they do not want it to end.
The Great Game of Chaos! *martial hysterical bombastic music blares ear shatteringly!* It's just three of the 4 Brothers playing go fish,and Teeztch playing a child's card game with the Real God Emperor of Mankind in a pocket dimension away from the others.
That’s what I’ve always like about Chaos, the deeper meaning than just a bunch of pure evil bad guys. There’s complexity and oodles of symbology. Some BL authors really give more depth to Chaos like Dan Abnett with his portrayal of worlds completely enthralled by Chaos in the Gaunts Ghosts series. It’s material like that which gives sharp nuance to Chaos.
Hey, a nice video. One thing though. I wasn't 100% sold on the Nurgle part. Nurgle is stagnation, it is everlasting life, life eating itself due to overabundance. A drastic CHANGE of state such as DEATH is more of Tzeentch's domain. Nurgle would give you complete immortality, but it would be banal, stagnant, without purpose.
Chaos has failed for the true master of the Game is Skrubs and the power narrative of his voice that would make Sauruman blush. Well done Skrub, Choyer and the whole team. Best from the NovRen team.
Khorne will intervene if the other three get too far in his realm or if he is just bored or if some one has a pretty freaking awesome skull or needs more blood or you know what you can add if you want.
"ready ourselves for the most important battle of our lives": Khorne: make my day! Slaneesh: oh yeah...please battle with me! Nurgle: why do you want to try? we all gonna die anyway. Tzeentch: You already lost. try again! oops, you lost again.
However, evil will never be victorious in the end. Being evil is inherently self destructive (in the real world and all genres). Evil will lose in the end in Warhammer (Fantasy and 40K) as it does in everything else. Food for thought for everyone!
Sigmar protects us! With virtue and faith, steel and gunpowder, we will endure. While Chaos destroys itself time and time again, we forces of Order shall unite!
Well I definitely have to join the discord now I'm learning so much about Warhammer that I never knew before and it's fun, If I really have to choose between the four chaos gods I would have to choose the one that gives the most hope the one that assures you that you can be happy forever for all eternity and make you immortal that would have to be the chaos God TZEENTCH, I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT THE VIDEO IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE WITH THE SKAVEN AND THE VERMIN LORDS AKA THIS GIVEN DEMON ARMIES BUT YOU'RE RIGHT WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER THEY RELEASE THAT IN A DLC THAT WAY YOU GUYS HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK WITH CAN'T PULL IDEAS OUT OF THIN AIR AFTER ALL LOL 😂
I never really agreed with the matching rivalries between the Chaos God's. I think Khorne vs Tzeench and Nurgle vs Slaanesh makes more sense. Pride vs Reality of Decay and WAR vs Destiny makes more prolific rivalries.
Nurgle and Tzeentch make perfect sense(stagnation vs change), as do Khorne and Tzeentch(might vs magic). Khorne and Slaanesh kinda work too(direct slaughter vs assassination if you would). Khorne Nurgle and Tzeentch Slaanesh don't really make sense to me. What are they feuding over? I can't think of anything metaphysical(you already covered Nurgle Slaanesh).
@@goransekulic3671 Khorne (discipline vs decay), Tzeentch (knowledge vs pleasure), these are so obvious and they're the ones that most common in the real world lol.
So, looking at these rivalries, would it be correct to assume that tzeentch and slaanesh get along slightly, considering both like secrets? And Khorne and Nurgle, do they get along? I'm not even suggesting anything close to friendly, just less hate.
I couldn't tell you for sure. But that makes sense to me, not the "get along" part but yeah at least in some cases they could have less animosity towards each other.
leme get this straight so chaos manifests from the minds of sentient beeings.... so iff chaos wants to destroy everything then they will eventually kill them selfs and the chaos gods will dissapear because noone is around to believe in them. so why does chaos wants to destroy everything again?
Glory to the Great Daemonic Four! Hail to the Daemon Gods of Chaos! Long Live Chaos!! Chaos Warriors: (War Cry and Bloody Roars) And do on the Daemon Princes please?
Can you imagine if the real universe was a part of an extragalactic, almost celestial game that would take literally decades to comprehend a singular action in its vast cosmos? Black holes, anyone?
My my my... I wonder what the god emperor himself would say of YOUR heresy... Worshipping him as a deity is heresy itself. Come, papa nurgle won't look down upon you as the emperor does.
"Since Chaos is nothing more than the projection than all our minds, thoughts and emotions" This is not true in Warhammer Fantasy. This is only in 40k. Chaos in Fantasy is based off human suffering, not thinking and feeling wrong things. it's based off action, not emotion. 40k is the world's most ham-fisted metaphor mocking Thatcher-ism. That's why things like "not blindly obeying superiors", "thinking for yourself", "having religion outside of state sponsored religion", and "feeling things" makes you an irredeemable monster. It's mocking 1980's British conservatism. It's saying that even in a universe where fascism was necessary, it still wouldn't be justified. You can't do that in Fantasy, or else literally every single person who worships Sigmar is exactly the same is every single way as someone who worships Chaos. It makes Karl-Franz functionally identical to Archaon. It breaks the whole world.
Congratulations viewer! You have won yourself an all expense paid trip to the Chaos Realms! Enjoy an authentic, immersive experience of power and ironic punishment that each of the Ruinous Powers have to offer for your gullible, mortal soul! Take in the nightmarish vistas and infernal tourist hotspots! Don't forget to bring the whole family!
I have done a test on the internet the gives you 24 questions about personality. Once you answer them all, you get to see how much percentage you are devoted to each Chaos god. I had: 64% Khorne, 85% Tzeentch, 33% Nurgle and 49% Slaanesh.
It's the perfect game. You play to be winning but not to win because when it ends the fun ends. The fun is in the game itself.
That sounds like something Tzeentch would say.
Although the other major chaos gods would frase it differently.
For nurgle, the great game give his followers a challenge to survive.
For chorne, a never ending war to test themselves.
For slaanesh; the a never ending way to experience unique feelings and situations.
@@oneyedjohn That... is a very interesting point
The great game isnt players in a competetive match competeeng, its a bunch of friends fucking around in a sandbox mode
I don’t think any of the Chaos Gods can actually win the Great Game.
Sure, one may gain and/or lose ground to one another. However, I don’t think they eradicate the other entirely. Each of the Chaos Gods and the domains they are represent are in fact interconnected.
There are feelings of despair, rage, ambition, and lust that overlap…or are even nested with one another. Think about the complexity of the emotions of sapient beings. One can feel more than one emotion at a time.
Heck, one emotion can feed and lead to another.
I think it’s the same of the Chaos Gods. They are interconnected and perhaps nested in each other.
Even if one were to “destroy” the others, they would recreate their rival. They are trapped and bound to each other for eternity.
Besides malal but he doesn't exist
@Tongzhi_BellaLabDog1995 until mAlice comes back then everyone's fucked
The best games to play aren't the ones that can be won, but the ones that can be played over and over and over again .
Siamese Chaos Quadruplets
Very very perceptive analysis. This is definitely 💯 to be considered for sure.
considering the short comment about the great game resulting in one of two endings, that being one of the end times and the other with no ending at all, i wonder if GW will ever ever have the gonads to retcon the events of the end times themselves. perhaps an alternate universe where age of sigmar exists, and another timeline where chaos continues to fight amongst themselves. warhammer fantasy does fantasy right, and in a really creative way no less. it's a shame GW sort of just upheaved it because it wasn't has popular as 40k. praise sigmar we still have we not only have vermintide, but also total war and this channel to give it some life!
I just hope that they do not "solidify" the End Times as an event by doing some temporal shenanigans, I hate that. Retcon it in the most brutal of ways: it never happened!
@@bonbondurjdr6553 yes please
Give it 5 years, fantasy will be back and aos and fantasy will be linear parts of the universe, like all of fantasy happened in one part of the aos universe or vice versa, so its like a cycle of fantasy to end times to aos to sigmar reforging the universe and back to fantasy
See i mever understood why they cant have aos and whfb coexisting in an alternate universe of even a war in the heavens like u have the old world and aos taking place in the realms of the gods
I've heard the reason 40k became more popular was because the rules are simpler and easier to master, the models are more affordable, and people seemed to like Space Marines more than knights on horseback. I used to play fantasy at a local war- gaming club, but most members only played 40k. Most Warhammer references found in other media also seems to be about 40k rather than fantasy. Before Total War: Warhammer, 40k had many successful video game adaptations, where as fantasy only had Mark of Chaos which didn't do too well, and Warhammer Online which was killed by more successful MMOs.
Chaos will always be one of the gems that drew my eye toward the warhammer universe in its entirety. Fantasy, age of sigmar, 40K, it will always be of interest to me. The whole mythology of the ruinous powers will always stand out amidst all others. Ascension to a daemon prince has always been my favorite bit of lore from chaos.
The Dark Gods of Chaos are more interested in their Great Game than they are to any war within the material plane. Endless Eons of conflict has been fought within the Realms of Chaos and innumerable armies are send against each other which are destroyed and remade by them to continue their long game, but it is clear that they do not want a clear winner, just the endless conflict feeds them more than enough that they do not want it to end.
of course, for what is Chaos if not ceaseless, unending change?
The Great Game of Chaos! *martial hysterical bombastic music blares ear shatteringly!*
It's just three of the 4 Brothers playing go fish,and Teeztch playing a child's card game with the Real God Emperor of Mankind in a pocket dimension away from the others.
Excellent as always Choyer.
That’s what I’ve always like about Chaos, the deeper meaning than just a bunch of pure evil bad guys. There’s complexity and oodles of symbology. Some BL authors really give more depth to Chaos like Dan Abnett with his portrayal of worlds completely enthralled by Chaos in the Gaunts Ghosts series. It’s material like that which gives sharp nuance to Chaos.
Hey, a nice video. One thing though. I wasn't 100% sold on the Nurgle part. Nurgle is stagnation, it is everlasting life, life eating itself due to overabundance. A drastic CHANGE of state such as DEATH is more of Tzeentch's domain. Nurgle would give you complete immortality, but it would be banal, stagnant, without purpose.
Narration is always, super excellent! Keep up the great work!
Your voice is perfect for this narration
I love your videos, I can't get enough of them
Come.. Let papa nurgle take away all of your pain, give you understanding, and the will to endure even death itself...
Ah, nothing like a good lunch to go with the great game. Another great video, let chaos reign!
from the day I subscribed I have not been disappointed by your channels content. What a gem
The art work & voice acting in these videos are sooo good 👍
Chaos has failed for the true master of the Game is Skrubs and the power narrative of his voice that would make Sauruman blush. Well done Skrub, Choyer and the whole team. Best from the NovRen team.
So ur telling me that these 4 gods are all playing total war ?! CA really needs to tell us these things
Found this channel a few days ago, thanks for the great content dude!
The Great Horned Rat & The Bull Centaur: “Hey! Where do WE fit in the Great Game??”
“To the minor leagues for you! Ha!”
“ D;< “
The Horned Rat, chilling in Nurgle's 13th Garden: "Just you wait-wait. My children will rise-rise and drown all your minions in a Vermintide!"
Love the content!!!
Fantastic work on chaos guys.
The Dark Gods could be the best troll sometimes
Khorne will intervene if the other three get too far in his realm or if he is just bored or if some one has a pretty freaking awesome skull or needs more blood or you know what you can add if you want.
Sigmar protect us all!!
Another fantastic video
"ready ourselves for the most important battle of our lives":
Khorne: make my day!
Slaneesh: oh yeah...please battle with me!
Nurgle: why do you want to try? we all gonna die anyway.
Tzeentch: You already lost. try again! oops, you lost again.
Wow, these videos are getting so good.
9:45 "LORD INQUISITOOOOOOOORRR!!!"
This was so good!
However, evil will never be victorious in the end.
Being evil is inherently self destructive (in the real world and all genres).
Evil will lose in the end in Warhammer (Fantasy and 40K) as it does in everything else.
Food for thought for everyone!
Sigmar protects us! With virtue and faith, steel and gunpowder, we will endure. While Chaos destroys itself time and time again, we forces of Order shall unite!
So you’re gonna do a video story from grand Cathay and except there missing lords, heroes and units as well!?
Well I definitely have to join the discord now I'm learning so much about Warhammer that I never knew before and it's fun,
If I really have to choose between the four chaos gods I would have to choose the one that gives the most hope the one that assures you that you can be happy forever for all eternity and make you immortal that would have to be the chaos God TZEENTCH,
I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT THE VIDEO IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE WITH THE SKAVEN AND THE VERMIN LORDS AKA THIS GIVEN DEMON ARMIES BUT YOU'RE RIGHT WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER THEY RELEASE THAT IN A DLC THAT WAY YOU GUYS HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK WITH CAN'T PULL IDEAS OUT OF THIN AIR AFTER ALL LOL 😂
If you want happiness, join nuurgle 😂
I never really agreed with the matching rivalries between the Chaos God's. I think Khorne vs Tzeench and Nurgle vs Slaanesh makes more sense. Pride vs Reality of Decay and WAR vs Destiny makes more prolific rivalries.
Nurgle and Tzeentch make perfect sense(stagnation vs change), as do Khorne and Tzeentch(might vs magic). Khorne and Slaanesh kinda work too(direct slaughter vs assassination if you would). Khorne Nurgle and Tzeentch Slaanesh don't really make sense to me. What are they feuding over? I can't think of anything metaphysical(you already covered Nurgle Slaanesh).
@@goransekulic3671 Khorne (discipline vs decay), Tzeentch (knowledge vs pleasure), these are so obvious and they're the ones that most common in the real world lol.
@@bithundr What do they have against each other though? It's not inherently exclusive like Nurgle and Tzeentch.
0/10 doesn't mention the great horned rat the fifth chaos god
I think this should’ve been called *Chaotic Game of Thrones!* 😈👹
What is the first ambience with demonic whispers from? I need that for my Zweihänder campaign!
I can't help but agree...
Thank you Book of Choyer.
watching a movie, literally 😂😎👍
All mortals...are pathetic...your sanity...is eternally...your greatest of...weaknesses...
Anyone have an ID on the Nurgle Daemon Prince @15:45?
So, looking at these rivalries, would it be correct to assume that tzeentch and slaanesh get along slightly, considering both like secrets? And Khorne and Nurgle, do they get along? I'm not even suggesting anything close to friendly, just less hate.
I couldn't tell you for sure. But that makes sense to me, not the "get along" part but yeah at least in some cases they could have less animosity towards each other.
Anyone else watching this while they install the 500mb patch that decided it needs to patch 110gb? lol
leme get this straight so chaos manifests from the minds of sentient beeings.... so iff chaos wants to destroy everything then they will eventually kill them selfs and the chaos gods will dissapear because noone is around to believe in them. so why does chaos wants to destroy everything again?
great video!!!
The end of the great game will be when Malal uses the conflict to reduce reality to nothingness
undescriable about the round of chaos
Glory to the Great Daemonic Four! Hail to the Daemon Gods of Chaos! Long Live Chaos!!
Chaos Warriors: (War Cry and Bloody Roars) And do on the Daemon Princes please?
Witch Hunter? Yes, this comment right here!
Where do you guys find your artwork???
As i can see, in the warhammer world, the chance to fight and win against Chaos does not exist.
👀💥
Tzeentch all the way.
Trinston was here ..
Can you imagine if the real universe was a part of an extragalactic, almost celestial game that would take literally decades to comprehend a singular action in its vast cosmos?
Black holes, anyone?
This video is very heretical
My my my... I wonder what the god emperor himself would say of YOUR heresy... Worshipping him as a deity is heresy itself. Come, papa nurgle won't look down upon you as the emperor does.
@@morbidone88 Screw that skeleton on a chair, Sigmar protects us, and our true Emperor is Karl Franz!
"Since Chaos is nothing more than the projection than all our minds, thoughts and emotions"
This is not true in Warhammer Fantasy. This is only in 40k. Chaos in Fantasy is based off human suffering, not thinking and feeling wrong things. it's based off action, not emotion.
40k is the world's most ham-fisted metaphor mocking Thatcher-ism. That's why things like "not blindly obeying superiors", "thinking for yourself", "having religion outside of state sponsored religion", and "feeling things" makes you an irredeemable monster. It's mocking 1980's British conservatism. It's saying that even in a universe where fascism was necessary, it still wouldn't be justified.
You can't do that in Fantasy, or else literally every single person who worships Sigmar is exactly the same is every single way as someone who worships Chaos. It makes Karl-Franz functionally identical to Archaon. It breaks the whole world.
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Congratulations viewer! You have won yourself an all expense paid trip to the Chaos Realms! Enjoy an authentic, immersive experience of power and ironic punishment that each of the Ruinous Powers have to offer for your gullible, mortal soul! Take in the nightmarish vistas and infernal tourist hotspots! Don't forget to bring the whole family!
I have done a test on the internet the gives you 24 questions about personality. Once you answer them all, you get to see how much percentage you are devoted to each Chaos god. I had: 64% Khorne, 85% Tzeentch, 33% Nurgle and 49% Slaanesh.