@@mihaimercenarul7467 the elites actually stated they didn’t like glassing planet due to it not being honorable and they also even stated that humans would risk and sacrifice everything and go against orders to save there comrades or civilians and literally asked the prophets why they won’t let humans into the covenant the funny part is atriox knew what the humans were capable of and even let them join the banished due to the very fact humans are strong minded but like all humans we would eventually betray them as that’s just the human nature
@@mihaimercenarul7467 I mean the elites even stated they don’t like to glass planets due to it not being honorable the elites actually liked the humans so much that they even was willing to get executed just to ask the prophets why don’t wont let the humans join the covenant atriox learn from the covenants mistakes and actually let them join which is why brutes are typically unpredictable and smart it’s just there anger and brutality ways gets in the way of that which is why brutes are more dangerous then elites
@14megasxlr They made their first appearance in Halo 2. But they’re right. Drones were part of the fleet of particular justice. They’re in Halo Fireteam Raven, which takes place during CE
@jordan8086 the fleet of particular justice is present during the fall of Reach but they’re not the ones that brought brutes. Reach was actually attacked by several fleets at the same time, one of which contained them. Specifically, the fleet of valiant prudence.
I mean in the words of that Headhunter: “Alligators (elites) are smart which makes em predictable, on the other hand Apes (brutes) are like an emotionally stunted 12 year old.”
Brutes don't get along well with Elites in particular. Thus Covenant units typically would consist of Jackels, Grunts and Elites. Buggers are specialized units that operate independently, in places that need ariel infiltration. Brutes are used as shock troopers for attacking targets were they are expected to take heavy losses, but are low status. (Elites will use their own troops for attacking high value targets.) Finally the Skirmishers are even more difficult to control and are used as specialized raider units that are simply dropped on planets and allowed to spread confusion and terror. This is why Covy units are almost always Jackel, Grunt, Elite since they are the most integrated and get along better. Hopefully if "Halo Studios" (Formerly 343) ever does a prequel to HALO REACH they will show this set up. Loved REACH for the change up of pace depending on what units you were fighting.
Last time I checked disliking a collective because of shared traits isn't racist the Brutes as species as their name sake are brutal I mean they eat other species for flip sake Thel is racist he's a realist though I do find it ironic that Elites make a big deal about fighting honourably while using cloaking technology especially in CQB against opposition who does have that a bit hypocritical
Yeah, it was a nice bonus for them until the Flood were released. I'd rather have my arms ripped off and bleed to death than to have an Infection form burrow into me while I'm still alive, unable to fight back as my flesh start to rot quickly.
Tbf they suffered a worse fate by being infected and slowly but painfully consumed by the flood. No soldier aside johnson (somehow), abd chief survived the events of the first halo.
That's part of Brute culture though, Brutes value might and brawn over wit. Tartarus believed his uncle to be weak and in Brute tradition challenged him for the right to lead the pack. It wasn't straight up backstabbing well thought out betrayal, just how they handle the power structure of their hierarchy
Maybe, you could do a short on that Engineer who fixed Chief’s shields in First Strike that an ONI officer (or marine, I forgot which) shot to prevent that information from getting out. It’s really too bad that the Engineers didn’t appear in the games until ODST. I’m sure you know about how they were originally planned to be included in CE. Truth and Reconciliation would’ve been the perfect mission to introduce them in the bridge area. Then they could’ve been seen in Forerunner structures that are important to the Covenant like what various mods do. Cortana could’ve had some dialogue telling the player not to shoot those things because they’re a non-threat and will just ignore you to do their work.
Brutes were used for heavy ship maintenance and fuel their star ship engines. This is a canon explanation from one of the terminals that involves shipmaster and arbi talking about the brutes place in the covenant before the schism
@@katzlover321 Abriter was responsible of glassing many human world and killing one billion humans by glassing long before Halo events where the flood was involved.
There also another reason why Abriter didn't trust brutes. In the Book Cole Protocol, Abriter ship was backstab by another ship commanded by brutes while investigating the mystery of human Covenant weaponry, the result events nearly got him excuted by Truth and Regert if he had not kill the would be assassin. Any trust he had with the brutes was gone after that.
@Woodyisasexybeast Yes. I can’t remember exactly how it happened, but the Brute ship attacked the Elite one and this allowed Thel and a few other Elites to be captured by humans and Jackals. Don’t quote me on this because I could be getting some details wrong.
I remember running the last level of CE on MCC in it's buggy days. Seeing a brute in my kill list post level was bizarre since it's solely flood with a few covenant squads. So i made headcanon that there was a stray brute that got infected, and was in the mess of flood I was carelessly killing off. Something i thought I'd share for fun.
Not to burst your bubble but that actually still occurs. The spots where you need to throw grenades to over load the autumns engines are considered brutes in the kill feed
Last thing Arbiter needed was brutes and elites refusing to get along in a chain of command on the sacred site of halo. Understandably it would look bad on him if covenant squabbled there
My head canon is that Thel ordered his armada’s Brutes to stay on Reach to hunt down survivors that were still putting up a defence against the covenant as the planet burned around them, and to search for forerunner artifacts and locations that were buried deep into Reach’s crust. Given how Brutes are resistant to extreme temperatures, the glassed planet wouldn’t be much of a issue for them to traverse while radiation and heat cooked the planet after the battle for Reach subsided.
I always wondered this from a lore perspective but never thought about this, it makes so much sense though. Halo CE was just a small force of covenant led by an Elite, so it's made up of Elites. Then in halo 2, they return to the rest of the covenant, which is when we get to see the brutes, the only faction that isn't directly subservient to the Elites (besides the prophets of course)
The Elites are subservient to the Prophets. Every other species in the Covenant worship and follow the Prophets as such, hence the name. The Prophets deemed the Elites unfit to protect the Prophets, and by extension the rest of the Covenant, and ended up putting the Brutes in the Elites' place.
This makes sense. I mean i honestly thought that they perhaps joined the covenant later on and made their way up through the ranks because of they're ferocity and tenacity. But then again ive not read the books between games so i dont know as much of the lore as I'd like to.
"When the prophets learn of this...they eill take your head!" -Tartarus chuckles smugly-"When they learn? They ORDERED me to do it." Arbiter's face shocked, mandibles open.
It’s about being a commander If the person under you can’t follow orders and more Importantly doesn’t respect you enough to do so you just remove him entirely that’s what he did Brutes were literally known for going Berserk and just ripping through enemy’s and destroying everything even eating slain foes in the field there supposed to be soldiers not savages
Not even that, though they were wild and brutal while commanding ships too. In the book Cole Protocol, a brute under Thel's command betrays him, leading to Thel not trusting the brutes.
I always thought it was because the ships that chased them had limited personnel and were more concerned about catching them then making sure all their DEI boxes were ticked. 😂
I always thought there was just the one Covenant ship in the OG Halo and they just weren’t on it. Like I thought the Long Night of Solace was the only one to send troops out.
I can imagine that from a lore point of view, the brutes were likely busy clearing out reach of any human troops while sending the elites on the easy mission of hunting down some weak survivors... and also to build a heavier presence of brute troops on reach to establish command/power
Tartarus grew up in Brute culture. Brute culture is all about strength and showing force. By being the one to brand Thel 'Vadamee, he's showing his strength and asserting his dominance to the rest of the Covenant.
I always assumed that they kept their armies segregated because of the apparent rivalry and tension between the two groups. Remember that they weren’t there helping the arbiter and other elites in the heretic level on halo 2
Brutes were added to the Halo series due to a design competition that was run years ago in XBOX magazine. The magazine would publish various designs that had been sent in each week with a picture and short description of what the alien they had designed was like. The winner of the competition got their alien design added to the Halo games. I had the addition when the brute design was submitted, might still have it laying around somewhere. Seeing what a huge part of the lore they are now, the person who designed it should be very proud of themselves.
@@Woodyisasexybeast If it is still around, it has been in my loft for 20 odd years, so I can't imagine it's in great condition 😄, but I should take a look for it. We cleared a load of stuff out not too long ago, so it may well have been thrown away. I vaguely remember the design and the description said something along the lines of them being a rival faction to the elites within the covenant with a history of hating each other. We all saw that played out 😄.
Plus, the same thing could have happened in reverse- I bet Truth didn't want Thel to command Brutes either, considering that he must have considered Thel an obstacle by then.
Out of the universe reason was because Brutes were not thought of yet. They weren't introduced until Halo First Strike book. In verse was because Vadaam didn't trust them to stay on task and go crazy.
Alpha Halo, the one seen in CE, was a different model of ring than the others. Zeta Halo (Halo Infinite) doesn't have enforcer sentinels, but it does have smaller models with alternate weaponry compared to the typical sentinels.
Well accordingly to the lore the Jiralhanae was also fresh joined into the Covenant... Prophets had seen in them the perfect puppets and warriors to substitute the "too much free" Sangheili in the empire so they both seized the moment when Thel 'Vadam failed to secure Halo, to change the guard and acquire power in the Empire. It was a really delicate moment for the Empire and both Prophets and Brutes acted to disrupt the foundations of the Empire itself. The first error was that of targeting humans despite they knew they wasn't heretics. Second was that of destroy the foundation article of the Covenant, or the alliance and the roles of the two species in their new Empire. The very presence of the Jiralhanae during Halo 2 and later works shown that the Empire was falling into doom.
@@Woodyisasexybeast indeed. I feel nostalgic of the old Covenant. Despite being the main anthagonists, they had some range of realism, detailed lore, accurate development, from the bigger things till the smaller ones. It's that the point that I blame about the Banished: it's not the same level of worldbuilding. The Banished looks like just an "evil" copy of the old Covenant while they should be something new. I play Stellaris with Halo mods, so I can design my factions as I want. I've made anew two distinct versions of UEG/UNSC, one perfectly designed version of the Covenant empire, one for the Swords of Sangheilos, and two for the "post-Covenant". Of of them is the "Reformed Covenant Empire" led by the Jiralhanae, with the traits and tech of the Covenant... The other one is the "Banished Khanate", also led by the Jiralhanae, but with proper banished AND human technology. Once the immigration treaty kicks in, these Banished are able to deploy human marines other than their own troops. They have mixed tech ships, and are not religious fanatics, but fanatical cooperatives. That mades them looking more close to the official lore, but at the same time also more realistic. I think I'll play another game today. I really love to play this version of Halo. 🤣🤣🤣🫡
The banished are a lot better than they were depicted in Infinite. They lost a lot of the nuance because of the destruction of Doisac. Either way, they do have human members and nowadays, even a Spartan. That alone makes them way different than the covenant. Infinite really just didn’t articulate that well. I just hope they don’t shelve them whenever they decide to continue the story…
Nah. Plenty of other lore stuff like a few books and a short stories but no games. No announcements of any kind at the recent Xbox showcase either so I don’t imagine there’s anything new on the horizon.
There’s mods that add Brutes into CE with mixed results in terms of story and gameplay. SPV2/3, CE Canyon, and SOI’s CE mod are the most notable examples. It’s interesting thinking about what could’ve been if Bungie had the idea for Brutes sooner: I like how in Reach you don’t really see Brutes and Elites fighting in the same groups. That’s a cool way to show the two don’t really get along. Unfortunately, that’s where the good things I have to say about Reach’s Brutes ends. They’re by far the WORST Brutes in the entire series. Instead of learning from their mistakes in 2 and 3/ODST Bungie combined the worst aspects of both and made the Brutes uninteresting enemies. The Reach Elites also stepped on the Brute’s toes by having them be seen using heavy weapons that Heavy Grunts and higher ranking Brutes would normally carry. Say what you will about Infinite (and I agree wholeheartedly there’s a lot to say. If there wasn’t you wouldn’t see numerous videos talking about the game’s shortcomings. For me the biggest one is the fact that they did a bad job explaining the Banished were and how they differ from the Covenant. Also, because their ideology is different we really should’ve had humans in their ranks), but as far as gameplay is concerned it gave us hands down the BEST version of the Brutes. They’re the perfect marriage of their 2 and 3 incarnations. Although, they’d be much better if they had their H2 aggression, could dual wield, and if the base ranks had more health. That’s how the Brutes should be going forwards.
It's not a mystery. In the book Cole Protocol, Thel' Vadamee is betrayed by a brute under his command, leading to him not trusting Brutes due to their violent and brutal behavior.
Drones were present, as depicted in Halo Fireteam Raven. Engineers too, they’re just very rare and generally not outfitted in combat roles thanks to their inherent value
@@Woodyisasexybeast I know about Fireteam Raven but that does answer it. Just kind of funny if you go back to back between CE and Fireteam Raven and you're wondering where those enemies came from.
There were brutes in CE. When Vel's fleet attacked Reach it sent BRUTES to the surface. If Vel's ENTIRE fleet followed the Pillar of Autumn to Instillation 04, that would mean some brutes were aboard the vessels of his fleet at the instillation. You didn't fight any in the game because they hadn't conceptually been created yet.
I thought the lore reason was that something as sacred as one of the rings shouldn't be touched by one of the brutes; especially the first one. But Halo 2 proved me wrong.
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Because the Covenant were…. Elitist….
Ba dum tss
@@Woodyisasexybeast then by Halo 2 onwards the Covenant became “woke” with their Brute diversity quotas. 🤣
@michaelkorenberg1313 and just like the real "woke", they tried to destroy the old species to take control
@@michaelkorenberg1313 And we all know how it went after that
“Elite preferred species”
Because Bungie didn't think about them yet.
Exactly.
No shit. This is a narrative explanation.
@@Woodyisasexybeastno actually in lore bungie hadnt come up with them so brutes were nowhere to be found
@@Woodyisasexybeast😂😂😂
Eric nylund*
*Glasses a planet from space*
"We prefer to fight cleanly and honerably"
Tbf it's not the elites that give the order to glass the planets. Those are the prophets orders and the elites have no other way but to obey.
@@mihaimercenarul7467 the elites actually stated they didn’t like glassing planet due to it not being honorable and they also even stated that humans would risk and sacrifice everything and go against orders to save there comrades or civilians and literally asked the prophets why they won’t let humans into the covenant the funny part is atriox knew what the humans were capable of and even let them join the banished due to the very fact humans are strong minded but like all humans we would eventually betray them as that’s just the human nature
@@mihaimercenarul7467 I mean the elites even stated they don’t like to glass planets due to it not being honorable the elites actually liked the humans so much that they even was willing to get executed just to ask the prophets why don’t wont let the humans join the covenant atriox learn from the covenants mistakes and actually let them join which is why brutes are typically unpredictable and smart it’s just there anger and brutality ways gets in the way of that which is why brutes are more dangerous then elites
Lol😂😂
Glass is clean.
Imagine disliking brutes so much that you rather bring the literal bugs lmao
Wait but… there weren’t Bugs in Halo 1.
The Yan Mae were introduced in Halo 3
@14megasxlr They made their first appearance in Halo 2. But they’re right. Drones were part of the fleet of particular justice. They’re in Halo Fireteam Raven, which takes place during CE
@@Woodyisasexybeastthere in reach which I think it’s the same fleet
@jordan8086 the fleet of particular justice is present during the fall of Reach but they’re not the ones that brought brutes. Reach was actually attacked by several fleets at the same time, one of which contained them. Specifically, the fleet of valiant prudence.
@@14megasxlrhalo 2 dude
Despite making up 13% of the Covenant, Brutes do 52% of the schisming.
Oh no
brutes are the black people of Halo
@@smoldoggy1005 Thanks for explaining what the obvious joke is, never would have connected those dots if it wasn't for your AI generated comment.
@@nagger8216 hey bro thanks for being a prick
Technically its probably like 1% of the covenant and 100% of the schisming - way worse then americans have it 🥲
I mean in the words of that Headhunter: “Alligators (elites) are smart which makes em predictable, on the other hand Apes (brutes) are like an emotionally stunted 12 year old.”
Such a good short
Basically Brutes are harder to deal but elites knows how to surprise attack you
Because younger Arby had already selected "Prefered species" in his loadout.
What?
In MCC you can choose your preferred species: that is, whether you want to play as a Spartan or Elite in multiplayer.
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@@criminal7592wait really?????? waaaat
@@TiL_Deimosbruh how u not know dat lol dats been a thing for like 15 years lol
To be fair brutes also dont like following the orders of elites.
"THE PACK WILL FEAST ON YOU"
Brutes don't get along well with Elites in particular. Thus Covenant units typically would consist of Jackels, Grunts and Elites. Buggers are specialized units that operate independently, in places that need ariel infiltration. Brutes are used as shock troopers for attacking targets were they are expected to take heavy losses, but are low status. (Elites will use their own troops for attacking high value targets.) Finally the Skirmishers are even more difficult to control and are used as specialized raider units that are simply dropped on planets and allowed to spread confusion and terror.
This is why Covy units are almost always Jackel, Grunt, Elite since they are the most integrated and get along better.
Hopefully if "Halo Studios" (Formerly 343) ever does a prequel to HALO REACH they will show this set up.
Loved REACH for the change up of pace depending on what units you were fighting.
“He was essentially a space racist”!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well wasn't the entire covenant like that?
@squishysquank6736 it was. I don’t think he was being funny either I think he was being serious about the space racist 🤣
@badsporttrolln5658 a bit of both but mostly in jest. I don’t think he’s actually a bigot. Thel is a cool dude (after he murdered a lot of people)
Last time I checked disliking a collective because of shared traits isn't racist the Brutes as species as their name sake are brutal I mean they eat other species for flip sake Thel is racist he's a realist though I do find it ironic that Elites make a big deal about fighting honourably while using cloaking technology especially in CQB against opposition who does have that a bit hypocritical
He's jus like me🤞
Thel just watched the freiza saga one too many times and was like "you know this guy has a point about those monkeys"
"After all, I'm just a monkey right?" Tartar sauce before he blasted thel down a hole
@@acey6991😂😂 this thread is gold
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@@acey6991 Tartarus went full Oozaru
Bonus for the UNSC marines on halo not having to get their limbs ripped off by brutes
Well the elites would do that for you and grunts eat you
Yeah, it was a nice bonus for them until the Flood were released. I'd rather have my arms ripped off and bleed to death than to have an Infection form burrow into me while I'm still alive, unable to fight back as my flesh start to rot quickly.
Tbf they suffered a worse fate by being infected and slowly but painfully consumed by the flood. No soldier aside johnson (somehow), abd chief survived the events of the first halo.
@mihaimercenarul7467 there were a few others. Chief picked up a pelican with Johnson and a couple other people shortly after the end of CE
@@mihaimercenarul7467forgot our boys Chips Dubbo and Sgt. Stacker who also escaped through classified means
I love it when lore comes up with in-world explanations for things that were just a game design thing for example!
In a word...just one word: Polygons.
Either that, or a bunch of lore written after Halo 2.
Bungie needed to explain why brutes weren't there until Halo 2.
They were right about the Brutes. Tartarus murdered his uncle, Maccabeus, at Harvest.
That's part of Brute culture though, Brutes value might and brawn over wit. Tartarus believed his uncle to be weak and in Brute tradition challenged him for the right to lead the pack. It wasn't straight up backstabbing well thought out betrayal, just how they handle the power structure of their hierarchy
Maybe, you could do a short on that Engineer who fixed Chief’s shields in First Strike that an ONI officer (or marine, I forgot which) shot to prevent that information from getting out. It’s really too bad that the Engineers didn’t appear in the games until ODST. I’m sure you know about how they were originally planned to be included in CE. Truth and Reconciliation would’ve been the perfect mission to introduce them in the bridge area. Then they could’ve been seen in Forerunner structures that are important to the Covenant like what various mods do. Cortana could’ve had some dialogue telling the player not to shoot those things because they’re a non-threat and will just ignore you to do their work.
Damnn
The engineers were intended to be able to repair Covenant vehicles for you. They would've been a neat inhostile unit.
You missed a golden opportunity to call him a Space-ist
*gets attacked by flood* still better than being near those dirty Biggers
Bungee isn’t plan that far ahead. Pretty sure halo ce was supposed to be a one and done game until it reached massive success
The arbiter himself perused the pillar of autumn, and the arbiter did not trust the jiralhanae.
Brutes were used for heavy ship maintenance and fuel their star ship engines. This is a canon explanation from one of the terminals that involves shipmaster and arbi talking about the brutes place in the covenant before the schism
You heard the man. Space racism is good. Thankfully.
Because Bungie didn't come up with the Brutes until after Halo CE.
That's what I needed in my X bio: "Space Racist"
Works even better on dating apps
Brutes and Elites had separate units it was a pretty common thing so it’s not surprising that they weren’t there
around brutes you never relax
He was right to caution himself. Brutes are volatile, most of the time.
Missed a great chance to call him “astronomically racist” 😂 but space racist was pretty funny
Thel: the brutes are savages
(Planetary wide glassing goes BRRRTTT)
The glassing is to prevent the planet from being able to be used for biomass by the Flood
@@katzlover321 Abriter was responsible of glassing many human world and killing one billion humans by glassing long before Halo events where the flood was involved.
Lets be fair the glassing was a direct order from the prophets
@@katzlover321uhhhhhhhhhh 7 human planets were glassed looooooooong before the covenant learned about the flood
There also another reason why Abriter didn't trust brutes.
In the Book Cole Protocol, Abriter ship was backstab by another ship commanded by brutes while investigating the mystery of human Covenant weaponry, the result events nearly got him excuted by Truth and Regert if he had not kill the would be assassin. Any trust he had with the brutes was gone after that.
"Vile disloyal beasts, the prophets were fools to trust them"
Halo fans making the longest explanation possible to explain why something that didn’t exist yet wasn’t in an older game
This is lore from the games, no?
Because that's the lore. Come on now, think.
@@Randomgui220 @ahsoka_polo lore made after the fact, like the brutes
@@Kaliburrrr doesn’t really matter, this happens with tons of games and other forms of media
@@Randomgui220 this is the internet man, leave me something to bitch about 🥲
Simple answer? They weren’t thought of yet
Me sad, Goat post, me happy
You didn’t mention how in cole protocol the brutes betrayed thel and his elites
Where does that happen in the book? I don’t recall.
@Woodyisasexybeast Yes. I can’t remember exactly how it happened, but the Brute ship attacked the Elite one and this allowed Thel and a few other Elites to be captured by humans and Jackals. Don’t quote me on this because I could be getting some details wrong.
@shreksnow1918 Roger that. Adds more fuel to what I was saying in the video then. Thanks fellas
@@shreksnow1918 exactly right
@@shreksnow1918right.
A lot of words for "they didn't add them yet."
Imagine if there were Brute flood forms in the first game, those guys would be bigger and more monsterous.
What’s odder is the Master Chief didn’t encounter any Brutes until the book Operation: First Strike which is between CE and 2.
Especially when considering brutes were some of the first covenant species that humanity encountered. 2nd only to jackals.
That got retconned instantly like how The Fall of Reach says they didn't encounter Elites until Reach.
@mekboy7403 that was my initial gut reaction too but I can’t think of where that would’ve been changed. I think that stuck
Finally someone adds the ‘ee suffix to his name.
To be fair, he no longer is “Vadamee”, so I get why people don’t
I remember running the last level of CE on MCC in it's buggy days. Seeing a brute in my kill list post level was bizarre since it's solely flood with a few covenant squads.
So i made headcanon that there was a stray brute that got infected, and was in the mess of flood I was carelessly killing off. Something i thought I'd share for fun.
Not to burst your bubble but that actually still occurs. The spots where you need to throw grenades to over load the autumns engines are considered brutes in the kill feed
@@Woodyisasexybeast That's cool to know actually
Brutes weren't invented yet. Thats why theyre not there. Every lore reason is a retcon.
Even if it's a retcon, it's still lore.
Elites: clean and honorable fighting guys
Also elites: lol let’s cloak and stab humans
I think they mean with out causing to much suffering or making the place look like a gore pit afterwords
Last thing Arbiter needed was brutes and elites refusing to get along in a chain of command on the sacred site of halo. Understandably it would look bad on him if covenant squabbled there
"Didn't want them because they were volatile and untrustworthy" SpAcE rAcIsT
"Cleanly" but uses cloaking devices
My head canon is that Thel ordered his armada’s Brutes to stay on Reach to hunt down survivors that were still putting up a defence against the covenant as the planet burned around them, and to search for forerunner artifacts and locations that were buried deep into Reach’s crust. Given how Brutes are resistant to extreme temperatures, the glassed planet wouldn’t be much of a issue for them to traverse while radiation and heat cooked the planet after the battle for Reach subsided.
"What is the most compatanle pokemon? Let me explain"
Compatanle?
No wonder why tartar sauce hated him
Nah, tartar sauce is a twat
A space racist... Arbiter and Frieza gotta meet now.
I always wondered this from a lore perspective but never thought about this, it makes so much sense though. Halo CE was just a small force of covenant led by an Elite, so it's made up of Elites. Then in halo 2, they return to the rest of the covenant, which is when we get to see the brutes, the only faction that isn't directly subservient to the Elites (besides the prophets of course)
The Elites are subservient to the Prophets. Every other species in the Covenant worship and follow the Prophets as such, hence the name. The Prophets deemed the Elites unfit to protect the Prophets, and by extension the rest of the Covenant, and ended up putting the Brutes in the Elites' place.
This makes sense. I mean i honestly thought that they perhaps joined the covenant later on and made their way up through the ranks because of they're ferocity and tenacity. But then again ive not read the books between games so i dont know as much of the lore as I'd like to.
Ironically enough, Arbiter was ultimately proven right in his beliefs during the events of Halo 2 and 3.
Also they probably weren't thought of yet
Yes, the only lore accurate reason to exclude those dirty apes was RACISM. Not that it was the prequel/sequels that included them in it
The brutes are a huge pain in my opinion, in all halo games i have died more often to brutes than just about anything else
"When the prophets learn of this...they eill take your head!" -Tartarus chuckles smugly-"When they learn? They ORDERED me to do it." Arbiter's face shocked, mandibles open.
Cant blame him. He probably didn't like that the brutes strapped bombs to their own allies either (the engineers)
It’s about being a commander
If the person under you can’t follow orders and more Importantly doesn’t respect you enough to do so you just remove him entirely that’s what he did Brutes were literally known for going Berserk and just ripping through enemy’s and destroying everything even eating slain foes in the field there supposed to be soldiers not savages
Not even that, though they were wild and brutal while commanding ships too. In the book Cole Protocol, a brute under Thel's command betrays him, leading to Thel not trusting the brutes.
They were busy growing out their hair for halo 2
the writers were cooking with the fleet and ships names
Love this little bit of lore!!!!
When Halo 3 came out, the grunts seemed to be chafing with their new fuzzy counterparts. It seems like they missed the elites.
I always thought it was because the ships that chased them had limited personnel and were more concerned about catching them then making sure all their DEI boxes were ticked. 😂
What are you talking about? DEI has nothing to do with this. Thel 'Vadamee was a literal space racist.
I always thought there was just the one Covenant ship in the OG Halo and they just weren’t on it.
Like I thought the Long Night of Solace was the only one to send troops out.
because Bungie didn't think of having gorilla aliens in their game yet.
its crazy they had abunch of wildlife ideas and not one was a brute or prototype
First time I watched I thought you said ... no boots. 😂😂😂
I can imagine that from a lore point of view, the brutes were likely busy clearing out reach of any human troops while sending the elites on the easy mission of hunting down some weak survivors... and also to build a heavier presence of brute troops on reach to establish command/power
In some lore its that they were on the ring just not any areas the mc was at.
When Arbiters fleet got to Reach, we see Brutes attacking New Alexandria. They were under his command.
That isn’t his battle group. His is the fleet of particular justice. The one with brutes it’s the fleet of valiant prudence.
@@Woodyisasexybeast where is this said?
Valiant prudence got there first. They’re the ones noble team was dealing with
www.halopedia.org/Fleet_of_Valiant_Prudence
The ironic part is the best way for bungie to do this was literally writing them in to the side
Or maybe, the creators of the game didn't think of this idea until the 2nd game.
Bro that's the reason why Tartarus so willing to put that mark of shame on Arbiter IT MAKES SENSE!!!!!!
Tartarus grew up in Brute culture. Brute culture is all about strength and showing force. By being the one to brand Thel 'Vadamee, he's showing his strength and asserting his dominance to the rest of the Covenant.
Makes more sense than "it was just a small fleet that found halo"..hmm..interestin😊
I always assumed that they kept their armies segregated because of the apparent rivalry and tension between the two groups. Remember that they weren’t there helping the arbiter and other elites in the heretic level on halo 2
And here I thought it was because Bungie designers hadn't conceived of them yet
Because they didn’t think halo would be as big as it became.
Brutes were added to the Halo series due to a design competition that was run years ago in XBOX magazine. The magazine would publish various designs that had been sent in each week with a picture and short description of what the alien they had designed was like. The winner of the competition got their alien design added to the Halo games. I had the addition when the brute design was submitted, might still have it laying around somewhere. Seeing what a huge part of the lore they are now, the person who designed it should be very proud of themselves.
Would love to see that. Might be worth something these days
@@Woodyisasexybeast If it is still around, it has been in my loft for 20 odd years, so I can't imagine it's in great condition 😄, but I should take a look for it. We cleared a load of stuff out not too long ago, so it may well have been thrown away. I vaguely remember the design and the description said something along the lines of them being a rival faction to the elites within the covenant with a history of hating each other. We all saw that played out 😄.
@FoggyPigeon still a neat piece of history, either way
And they say racism is bad, it help humanity, yah racism
THERE BRUTES IN THE SPV3.3 VERSION OF HALE CE😮
Fantastic mod though needless to say, not exactly canon
@@Woodyisasexybeast
Why isn’t it canon. The mod is badass
@paulkendrick4153 simply because brutes weren’t present and it’s not an official product. So it can’t really be canon
Plus, the same thing could have happened in reverse- I bet Truth didn't want Thel to command Brutes either, considering that he must have considered Thel an obstacle by then.
Out of the universe reason was because Brutes were not thought of yet. They weren't introduced until Halo First Strike book.
In verse was because Vadaam didn't trust them to stay on task and go crazy.
All this time I thought because the halo creators hadn’t created them yet
Better question: why were there no sentinel enforcers in CE?
Alpha Halo, the one seen in CE, was a different model of ring than the others. Zeta Halo (Halo Infinite) doesn't have enforcer sentinels, but it does have smaller models with alternate weaponry compared to the typical sentinels.
He doesn’t seem to be a fan of these “monkeys” much like Freiza
Brett Con strikes again
This guy sounds exactly like how he’d look 😂😂😂
Space speciesist would be more accurate.
Either word works.
Well accordingly to the lore the Jiralhanae was also fresh joined into the Covenant... Prophets had seen in them the perfect puppets and warriors to substitute the "too much free" Sangheili in the empire so they both seized the moment when Thel 'Vadam failed to secure Halo, to change the guard and acquire power in the Empire.
It was a really delicate moment for the Empire and both Prophets and Brutes acted to disrupt the foundations of the Empire itself.
The first error was that of targeting humans despite they knew they wasn't heretics.
Second was that of destroy the foundation article of the Covenant, or the alliance and the roles of the two species in their new Empire.
The very presence of the Jiralhanae during Halo 2 and later works shown that the Empire was falling into doom.
Yes, the writ of union was the original agreement.
Such great lore
@@Woodyisasexybeast indeed. I feel nostalgic of the old Covenant. Despite being the main anthagonists, they had some range of realism, detailed lore, accurate development, from the bigger things till the smaller ones.
It's that the point that I blame about the Banished: it's not the same level of worldbuilding.
The Banished looks like just an "evil" copy of the old Covenant while they should be something new.
I play Stellaris with Halo mods, so I can design my factions as I want.
I've made anew two distinct versions of UEG/UNSC, one perfectly designed version of the Covenant empire, one for the Swords of Sangheilos, and two for the "post-Covenant".
Of of them is the "Reformed Covenant Empire" led by the Jiralhanae, with the traits and tech of the Covenant...
The other one is the "Banished Khanate", also led by the Jiralhanae, but with proper banished AND human technology.
Once the immigration treaty kicks in, these Banished are able to deploy human marines other than their own troops. They have mixed tech ships, and are not religious fanatics, but fanatical cooperatives. That mades them looking more close to the official lore, but at the same time also more realistic.
I think I'll play another game today. I really love to play this version of Halo. 🤣🤣🤣🫡
The banished are a lot better than they were depicted in Infinite. They lost a lot of the nuance because of the destruction of Doisac. Either way, they do have human members and nowadays, even a Spartan. That alone makes them way different than the covenant. Infinite really just didn’t articulate that well. I just hope they don’t shelve them whenever they decide to continue the story…
@@Woodyisasexybeast I lost a passage, there was any other game after Infinite?
Nah. Plenty of other lore stuff like a few books and a short stories but no games. No announcements of any kind at the recent Xbox showcase either so I don’t imagine there’s anything new on the horizon.
There’s mods that add Brutes into CE with mixed results in terms of story and gameplay. SPV2/3, CE Canyon, and SOI’s CE mod are the most notable examples. It’s interesting thinking about what could’ve been if Bungie had the idea for Brutes sooner:
I like how in Reach you don’t really see Brutes and Elites fighting in the same groups. That’s a cool way to show the two don’t really get along. Unfortunately, that’s where the good things I have to say about Reach’s Brutes ends. They’re by far the WORST Brutes in the entire series. Instead of learning from their mistakes in 2 and 3/ODST Bungie combined the worst aspects of both and made the Brutes uninteresting enemies. The Reach Elites also stepped on the Brute’s toes by having them be seen using heavy weapons that Heavy Grunts and higher ranking Brutes would normally carry. Say what you will about Infinite (and I agree wholeheartedly there’s a lot to say. If there wasn’t you wouldn’t see numerous videos talking about the game’s shortcomings. For me the biggest one is the fact that they did a bad job explaining the Banished were and how they differ from the Covenant. Also, because their ideology is different we really should’ve had humans in their ranks), but as far as gameplay is concerned it gave us hands down the BEST version of the Brutes. They’re the perfect marriage of their 2 and 3 incarnations. Although, they’d be much better if they had their H2 aggression, could dual wield, and if the base ranks had more health. That’s how the Brutes should be going forwards.
i like to think that the banished are banished covenant soldiers
Did you know that despite making up for 20% of the population, Brutes make up for 60% of the crime within the covenant?
- based arbiter
2 reasons;
1) Thel Vaddem didn't accept them in his fleet. (expanded lore).
2) Bungie didn't come come up with Brutes at the time of Halo: CE.
Thel was more surgical. Having hammers in his tool bag would be a liability
Well.. They weren’t in development at all yet but if we are talking lore it’s a mystery
It's not a mystery. In the book Cole Protocol, Thel' Vadamee is betrayed by a brute under his command, leading to him not trusting Brutes due to their violent and brutal behavior.
Because they weren't even created yet
Because planet went boom boom
Iirc brutes and elites generally didnt like each other at all. So fleets were usually led by either one or the other
That explains the Brutes but not so much the Drones and Engineers.
Drones were present, as depicted in Halo Fireteam Raven. Engineers too, they’re just very rare and generally not outfitted in combat roles thanks to their inherent value
@@Woodyisasexybeast I know about Fireteam Raven but that does answer it. Just kind of funny if you go back to back between CE and Fireteam Raven and you're wondering where those enemies came from.
There were brutes in CE.
When Vel's fleet attacked Reach it sent BRUTES to the surface. If Vel's ENTIRE fleet followed the Pillar of Autumn to Instillation 04, that would mean some brutes were aboard the vessels of his fleet at the instillation.
You didn't fight any in the game because they hadn't conceptually been created yet.
Both because the brute were not made yet and story wise it was the elites based ships chasing them
I thought the lore reason was that something as sacred as one of the rings shouldn't be touched by one of the brutes; especially the first one. But Halo 2 proved me wrong.