You don't know where Scharnhorst is, but the idea that it might be out there hunting your convoys is enough to dedicate your own big warships to protecting your convoys.
When you have a battleship that can outpace anything big enough to kill it, and fight off anything fast enough to catch it, having the Sovereign mean the Dominion always has to devote forces to large patrol fleets, because this ship could, if we judge by the battle of the Great Bloom, it’s fast and could outrun or just get out of the way of any attempts to ram, and it has enough phaser strips and targeting arrays to take on several light patrol fleets. The Sovereign is big enough to threaten dominion battlecruisers even, so it’s really not a ship the Cardassians, Breen, or Dominion could counter.
The Borg didn't like this class of starship as well. I would of have loved to of have seen what Captain Kirk right along with Scotty could do with this ship. Considering also that Scotty did help designing and building this class of starship.
Faster than stronger ships and stronger than faster ships. That was the idea of a navy doctrine for the german pocket battle ships before WW2....it failed
The Sovereign wasn't a battle ship and the Dominion was known for making quick work of D'deriex Class Warships with their interceptor class ships alone. In summary : The Dominion couldn't have cared less about The Sovereign
Love the idea of some Sovereign just appearing at what the Dominion thought would be an easy battle all 'SURPRISE MFER!' as it drops out of warp and shreds a Galor trio. of rising up out of a nebula or gas giant while Dominion Comms are jammed with the Jaws theme.
Even better if they wanna screw with the Dominion, sovereign pops in to help, eliminates the enemy and dips out before they can report its appearance lol
The other advantage is should the Dominion manage to sneak some ships to go attack a diplomatic relations mission, a Sovereign could fight off any conceivable Dominion task force light and fast enough to get through to a region away from the battlelines. A fleet big enough to tackle a Sovereign is going to be noticeable and a big enough absence to have an effect.
My theory way back when was that there were around 5 Sovereign class starships operating during the start of the Dominion War, not counting the Enterprise. Considering their high speed, massive firepower, advanced shielding, & newest type of armor I figured they would act as a sort of covert strike force entirely on their own or maybe with an Intrepid to two for escort (the Intrepid being the only ship capable of matching their top warp speed). They would make quick strikes moderately deep into Dominion territory taking out targets where light to moderate resistance was expected. A listening post here. A ketracel white facility there. Then quickly retreat back into allied territory.
A task force of Intrepids and Sovereigns would wreak havoc behind enemy lines. That's likely why we never see either class of ship in the big battles, as their primary advantage is their absurd speed at warp. They're best utilised in scouting roles and hit-and-run attacks, against which the Dominion have no real counter, as Federation warp technology is beyond theirs. The downside is that, while effective, such attacks cannot win a war on their own. Simple defensive measures like convoys and heavy static defences mitigate the effectiveness of such a strategy over time.
@@Cailus3542 Wouldn't any ship with cloaking abilities be better at scouting and surgical strikes? Anyone with long range sensors could pick up on ships coming in at high warp. And as far as I know the E nor her sister ships have cloaking tech.
there were two and they were both too valuable and too unproven to be put that far out. this is why the federation relied on upgraded older classes of ships (excelsiors with type X phasers and quantum torpedos... etc) also, the main reason, the studio didnt own the footage of the sovereign and it wasn't in the budget to create new ones. when there were discussions of a "united" movie where all the crews met up, the enterprise was rumored to make appearances in the end of season 7, but we know how all that went down.
Even the Vorta field commanders in the Dominion knew from field reports the skill of Starfleet engineers that could turn "rocks into replicators". Guaranteed that even the Dominion Battleship would think twice of engaging a Sovereign. It would be a pitch battle, with maneuverability clearly on the side of the Sovereign. The E-E drilled a hole into a Borg Assimilation Cube and saved the fleet over Earth in First Contact....
Let's not forget in Nemesis the Enterprise would have matched the Reman Scimitar shot for shot if not for the cloak. Picard was a seasoned captain, Shinzon was young and arrogant, overconfident in superior firepower
@@barrettnichols2949true, and the reman warbird is NO joke, it’s got like 62 heavy plasma cannons, the same kinds as the heaviest romulan ships could achieve, with two being comparable to the freaking defiant firing 4 bolts. The defiant. It’s literally got 15.5 defiants in firepower essentially, and 14 mk 12 phasers would’ve matched it if not for the battle cloak
While only the Enterprise was seen during the Dominion War it's likely that even if she was the only active Sovereign the only reason she never directly fought was because of how demoralizing it would be for the flagship to be destroyed, especially so soon after replacing her predecessor. If going off of Beta Canon (which I rarely do, unless it suits the realism to the scenario) then it's likely the majority were mostly used to defend major Federation worlds like Earth and Vulcan
losing Enterprise would do one of 2 things completely crush and demoralize the Federation or absolutely piss them off, where EVERYTHING is now hunting the ship(s) that got the kill, making the British response to the sinking of Hood look like a field exercise
@@MediumRareOpinions the possibly is more because while she claims she did, they couldn't confirm if they hit or not as far as I know, no other battleship even tried and most countries even stopped adding torpedoes or removed them in refits HMS Rodney was built before they stopped adding them during design/construction
The Battle in the Bassen Rift is a testament to the ships durability and fighting capability. Yes it took a beating from the Scimitar, but it stayed in the fight much longer than I thought it would.
I'm pretty sure they just laughed at the Klingons and swatted them like flies. The only people I have ever seen lose to the Klingons are the Cardassians. The Romulans dominated against the Dominion. The Klingons just did their usual Klingon thing and got themselves killed in large numbers.
Negh'var/Voodieh? Not enough of them to concern the Dominion. Sisko marveled at first sight of it, even though he isn't as big a proponent of carrier/battleship seige vessels. He could appreciate it. The Dominion would probably double-team them with a pair of their coveted battlecruisers, sacrificing one, if necessary, then move on with their agenda. The didn't seem too concerned with Vor'cha numbers because they could just counter them with their own cruisers or sacrifice an attack ship or two.
The Klingons had maybe half as many Neg’Vhars as the Federation had Sovereigns. And the Neg’Vhar isn’t useful for anything except as a heavy siege battleship. Too slow. If we take alternate timelines into account, the USS Rhode Island was able to fight off two, by itself, at least for a time. So the battleship probably isn’t as impressive as we think, a Sovereign could do the runaround for the klingon ship, and outdo it in basically every metric. The Neg’Vhar was the Klingon response to the Galaxy, much like how the Vor’cha was the response to the Ambassador. The Klingons are a generation behind, shipwise.
It didn’t have a cloak so there was no point in sending behind the lines. Better off sending romulans or klingons on those kinds of missions using cloaks to conduct ambush actions. Maybe send the sovereign class as bait and the cloaked ships for the ambush.
May not have a cloak, but they are *reeeally* fast, heavily armed/armoured, and have far superior sensors (meaning they will see you long before you see them), which kinda mitigates the lack of a cloak. After all, they have enough firepower to overwhelm most Dominion battlegroups, and they can avoid/outrun (and have good enough survivability to run) anything they can't kill.
Just suddenly occurred to me that the many unaccounted for..thanks to the dismantling of no Federation cloaking rules, they found ways to make cloaking during weapons in use adaptations..annnd..that's why so many are unseen. Another reason to be afraid of her if you're an advisary.
According to Memory Alpha, these are the official, known, Sovereign Classes. USS Ark Royal (NCC-75922) USS Arsinoe (NCC-75307) USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-E) USS Gilgamesh (NCC-74669) USS Glasgow (NCC-75117) USS Hrothgar (NCC-74975) USS Hutchinson (NCC-74957) USS Igraine (NCC-74980) USS Inaieu (NCC-75018) USS Jaresh-Inyo (NCC-75020) USS Musashi (NCC-74660) USS Okuda (NCC-74107) USS Pachacuti (NCC-74181) USS Sovereign (NCC-73811) USS Valkyrie (NCC-74877) USS Van Citters (NCC-72504) USS Venture (NCC-75306) USS Warspite (NCC-74922)
I mean how much awareness did the Dominion have of the Sovereign-class? Unless they were actively used, would they know of their existence? On the other hand they could also be really hyped up, “one took out a Borg Cube you know”
There is no good explanation for why Sovereign ships aren't seen out side the Enterprise-E in the movies other than the dumb real-world reason that the Enterprise-E was a "Hero Ship" and the producers thought having another one from the class appearing in an episode of DS9 or Voyager would confuse the audience because, frankly, they thought their audience was stupid.
To understand why, even the PHASERS on the sovereign are dominion and Borg killers, type 12 phasers are only ever shown on star bases, with the type 11 phasers shown practically one shotting the Klingon fleet along with the larger torpedoes, now imagine a ship that goes warp 9, carrying 14 phaser arrays all stronger, and with quantum torpedoes.
A large powerful ship like a Sovereign-class is a terrible idea against the dominion as they have no problem sacrificing one of their little ships to take out a bigger ship. Not just the Oddysey we also saw them ramming Romulan Warbirds and Klingon Vorcha
A sovereign going undetected would be simulator to how the graf spa (sorry can't spell it: German pocket battle ship in ww2) caused havoc before it's defeat.
IDK, when one of the Jem'Hadar's favorite battle tactic is ramming into another ship, is there any class of ship they're scared of? Plus, the Dominion really use diplomacy as a way to keep their enemies occupied until they can bring enough troops in to completely overwhelm any opposition.
This is my favourite starship by miles! Even against the scimitar it performed well. The fastest, most powerful and deadliest starship in the federation. It was a ship any enemy feared to engage!
I think the Sovereign class would have the same issues as the Galaxy class and the Romulan D’Derridex, I.e. the Dominian fighters are faster, more agile and thus would inflict damage. The Sovereign class would do well against larger craft like the Breen ships just as it had done well against the Borg cube in STFC.
I dunno when she fought the sona and the reman warbird she manuvered quite well for such a large ship, sure the fighters are more manuverable but I really think those were the only ships the jemhadar had that could outmanuver a sovereign during the war, during some of those bigger fleet battles I could see a Sovereign bobbing and weaving between multiple ships flying effortlessly in the enamys rear with little they could do to turn and engage less they open their flank to star fleets main battleline.
Look at it like this, most of the fleet engaging the borg couldn't take more than one pr two hits...enterprise E plug walks in and tanks two hull cleavers
Honestly, the Sovereign wasn’t all that powerful in the grand scheme of things. It’s a badass ship to be sure, but in a large campaign, with Dominion battle cruisers numbering in the hundreds, possibly thousands, a handful of Sovys placed here or there isn’t going to tip the scales.
By 2374 only four Sovereign-class vessels had been constructed, due to the rarity of components, especially the ablative armor and quantum torpedoes. The starships were the USS Sovereign (NCC-73811), the USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-E), the USS Odyssey (NCC 65413), and the USS Majestic (NCC-74771).
DS9 would have gone a lot differently if the enterprise E and the better capt. was in charge of the sector and the Star Base. The Klingons respect Picard and the E would make the dominion think twice
I would’ve been more scared of the defiant class, since vastly more maneuverable than the sovereign class, you’re talking vessels that were designed to fight the borg, not the dominion She has flaws but she has teeth
Sorry... so that I understand... your theses are 1) the Sovereign class projects diplomatic prowess to solicit support for the Federation versus the Dominion (what are you SMOKING), and 2) the Dominion are worried about Sovereign classes U-Boat'ing supply lines.... are you... having a stroke?
Having never played mass effect can I ask is there a reason why no mass effect ships came into reinforce the good guy before the attack on the death star
I'm gonna have to disagree. I don't think there was much if anything singular ship class wise, that got the actual Dominion, worried. Now large fleet formations, sure, anyone who doesn't worry about that is a moron. However, at the start of the Dominion incursion, we witness the Odyssey, absolutely get it's butt handed to it. Now we the viewers are shocked because we see a Galaxy class, go down, we as viewers know how tough Galaxy class ships are. The Dominion do not. Nor do they care. We can tell they don't particularly care, because they send a JemHedar fighter to re-enact the 1944 Pacific Campaign of the Japanese. We watch, a singular small ship, ram a powerhouse of a Federation vessel and take it out. Then we find out later that the Dominion has much stronger Battlecruisers, which are equally more terrifying than the absolute hornets nest of JemHedar Fighters, that can literally be summoned out of nowhere and in very, very large quantities. And it only took three, (really one) to make the Odyssey into stardust. Now if we want to discuss the Cardassians, who are now members of the Dominion, being terrified of where the Federations Sovereigns are located, that makes sense. But the actual Dominion, the Vorta, JemHedar, and Changelings, merely view them as more troubling nuisances due to sheer overwhelming numbers that they (the Dominion) posses, in comparison to the amount of actual Sovereigns that physically exist.
Notice how Earth only got hit once in the Dominion War ? Sovereign Warships were why. They only had a those 5 With Picard incharge of them. Those Aliens never stood a chance. Did the dominion ever meet the Borg ?
The Sovereign and other starships from First Contact are full on war-ships, to battle the Borg, as The Next Generation battleships were decimated at Wolf 359. When Commander Shelby says they have new ships on the drawing board in The Best of Both Worlds, all those were still being designed.
Like taking your eyes off a spider- wait shit where did it *go*-
Look up and open your mouth 😄
You don't know where Scharnhorst is, but the idea that it might be out there hunting your convoys is enough to dedicate your own big warships to protecting your convoys.
When you have a battleship that can outpace anything big enough to kill it, and fight off anything fast enough to catch it, having the Sovereign mean the Dominion always has to devote forces to large patrol fleets, because this ship could, if we judge by the battle of the Great Bloom, it’s fast and could outrun or just get out of the way of any attempts to ram, and it has enough phaser strips and targeting arrays to take on several light patrol fleets. The Sovereign is big enough to threaten dominion battlecruisers even, so it’s really not a ship the Cardassians, Breen, or Dominion could counter.
The Borg didn't like this class of starship as well. I would of have loved to of have seen what Captain Kirk right along with Scotty could do with this ship. Considering also that Scotty did help designing and building this class of starship.
Faster than stronger ships and stronger than faster ships. That was the idea of a navy doctrine for the german pocket battle ships before WW2....it failed
@@tomreg7737 only because Adolf Hitler applied it wrongfully.
@@tomreg7737 The Germans didn't have access to Dilithium
The Sovereign wasn't a battle ship and the Dominion was known for making quick work of D'deriex Class Warships with their interceptor class ships alone. In summary : The Dominion couldn't have cared less about The Sovereign
Love the idea of some Sovereign just appearing at what the Dominion thought would be an easy battle all 'SURPRISE MFER!' as it drops out of warp and shreds a Galor trio. of rising up out of a nebula or gas giant while Dominion Comms are jammed with the Jaws theme.
Even better if they wanna screw with the Dominion, sovereign pops in to help, eliminates the enemy and dips out before they can report its appearance lol
The other advantage is should the Dominion manage to sneak some ships to go attack a diplomatic relations mission, a Sovereign could fight off any conceivable Dominion task force light and fast enough to get through to a region away from the battlelines.
A fleet big enough to tackle a Sovereign is going to be noticeable and a big enough absence to have an effect.
For real-world application, see "Where are the Bismarck and Tirpitz?" circa 1939-1944.
My theory way back when was that there were around 5 Sovereign class starships operating during the start of the Dominion War, not counting the Enterprise. Considering their high speed, massive firepower, advanced shielding, & newest type of armor I figured they would act as a sort of covert strike force entirely on their own or maybe with an Intrepid to two for escort (the Intrepid being the only ship capable of matching their top warp speed). They would make quick strikes moderately deep into Dominion territory taking out targets where light to moderate resistance was expected. A listening post here. A ketracel white facility there. Then quickly retreat back into allied territory.
A task force of Intrepids and Sovereigns would wreak havoc behind enemy lines. That's likely why we never see either class of ship in the big battles, as their primary advantage is their absurd speed at warp. They're best utilised in scouting roles and hit-and-run attacks, against which the Dominion have no real counter, as Federation warp technology is beyond theirs.
The downside is that, while effective, such attacks cannot win a war on their own. Simple defensive measures like convoys and heavy static defences mitigate the effectiveness of such a strategy over time.
Cavalry raids, essentially.
@@hunam1464 basically yes.
@@Cailus3542
Wouldn't any ship with cloaking abilities be better at scouting and surgical strikes?
Anyone with long range sensors could pick up on ships coming in at high warp.
And as far as I know the E nor her sister ships have cloaking tech.
there were two and they were both too valuable and too unproven to be put that far out. this is why the federation relied on upgraded older classes of ships (excelsiors with type X phasers and quantum torpedos... etc) also, the main reason, the studio didnt own the footage of the sovereign and it wasn't in the budget to create new ones. when there were discussions of a "united" movie where all the crews met up, the enterprise was rumored to make appearances in the end of season 7, but we know how all that went down.
God ain't that ship just a beauty?!!
Gotta give ut to the federation. They make even big ships go really fast for long periods and see further away.
The possibilities are really annoying.
Even the Vorta field commanders in the Dominion knew from field reports the skill of Starfleet engineers that could turn "rocks into replicators". Guaranteed that even the Dominion Battleship would think twice of engaging a Sovereign. It would be a pitch battle, with maneuverability clearly on the side of the Sovereign. The E-E drilled a hole into a Borg Assimilation Cube and saved the fleet over Earth in First Contact....
Let's not forget in Nemesis the Enterprise would have matched the Reman Scimitar shot for shot if not for the cloak. Picard was a seasoned captain, Shinzon was young and arrogant, overconfident in superior firepower
@@barrettnichols2949true, and the reman warbird is NO joke, it’s got like 62 heavy plasma cannons, the same kinds as the heaviest romulan ships could achieve, with two being comparable to the freaking defiant firing 4 bolts. The defiant. It’s literally got 15.5 defiants in firepower essentially, and 14 mk 12 phasers would’ve matched it if not for the battle cloak
One, two, three... hey! Where's Enterprise?
She's fucking up the Sona lol
Right behind you
Wo war Gondor??😂
The Sovereign is a SCI-FI killing machine.
Quite literally that one kid at the playground with the "I can kill anything finger gun"
While only the Enterprise was seen during the Dominion War it's likely that even if she was the only active Sovereign the only reason she never directly fought was because of how demoralizing it would be for the flagship to be destroyed, especially so soon after replacing her predecessor. If going off of Beta Canon (which I rarely do, unless it suits the realism to the scenario) then it's likely the majority were mostly used to defend major Federation worlds like Earth and Vulcan
losing Enterprise would do one of 2 things
completely crush and demoralize the Federation
or absolutely piss them off, where EVERYTHING is now hunting the ship(s) that got the kill, making the British response to the sinking of Hood look like a field exercise
@@artbrannthe Crew of HMS Rodney took that one very personally.
@@MediumRareOpinions ya, becoming possibly the only Battleship to torpedo another Battleship among other things
@@artbrann I can't think of any other occasion that happened so you quite probably could be right. about that.
@@MediumRareOpinions the possibly is more because while she claims she did, they couldn't confirm if they hit or not
as far as I know, no other battleship even tried and most countries even stopped adding torpedoes or removed them in refits
HMS Rodney was built before they stopped adding them during design/construction
The Battle in the Bassen Rift is a testament to the ships durability and fighting capability. Yes it took a beating from the Scimitar, but it stayed in the fight much longer than I thought it would.
Had the E been able to actually see the Scimitar from the word go, the Scimitar would not have enjoyed having shields any longer.
"Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind fumbling in ignorance".....wait wrong sovereign
Well then...What does the Dominion think about Klingon fleets with Neg'Vhar in their ranks?
I'm pretty sure they were pretty 😮😂annoyed! They didn't like Romulan D'Deridix either. The Souverign were saved for special occasions!
I'm pretty sure they just laughed at the Klingons and swatted them like flies. The only people I have ever seen lose to the Klingons are the Cardassians. The Romulans dominated against the Dominion. The Klingons just did their usual Klingon thing and got themselves killed in large numbers.
Negh'var/Voodieh? Not enough of them to concern the Dominion. Sisko marveled at first sight of it, even though he isn't as big a proponent of carrier/battleship seige vessels. He could appreciate it.
The Dominion would probably double-team them with a pair of their coveted battlecruisers, sacrificing one, if necessary, then move on with their agenda. The didn't seem too concerned with Vor'cha numbers because they could just counter them with their own cruisers or sacrifice an attack ship or two.
The Klingons had maybe half as many Neg’Vhars as the Federation had Sovereigns.
And the Neg’Vhar isn’t useful for anything except as a heavy siege battleship. Too slow.
If we take alternate timelines into account, the USS Rhode Island was able to fight off two, by itself, at least for a time.
So the battleship probably isn’t as impressive as we think, a Sovereign could do the runaround for the klingon ship, and outdo it in basically every metric. The Neg’Vhar was the Klingon response to the Galaxy, much like how the Vor’cha was the response to the Ambassador. The Klingons are a generation behind, shipwise.
The Dominion or the Jem'hadar? I see the Jem'hadar enjoying the sight of a capital ship to die on. Founders might be more troubled.
I wonder how the sovereign would stack up against the Jem'Hadar Battleship we saw in the DS9 episode Valiant.
Pitched battle at best, mutually assured destruction at worst.
You could build 2 Sovereigns class ships for the same resources it takes to build one Galaxy class.
And you could build eight sovereigns for one Oddesy
It didn’t have a cloak so there was no point in sending behind the lines. Better off sending romulans or klingons on those kinds of missions using cloaks to conduct ambush actions. Maybe send the sovereign class as bait and the cloaked ships for the ambush.
May not have a cloak, but they are *reeeally* fast, heavily armed/armoured, and have far superior sensors (meaning they will see you long before you see them), which kinda mitigates the lack of a cloak. After all, they have enough firepower to overwhelm most Dominion battlegroups, and they can avoid/outrun (and have good enough survivability to run) anything they can't kill.
Just suddenly occurred to me that the many unaccounted for..thanks to the dismantling of no Federation cloaking rules, they found ways to make cloaking during weapons in use adaptations..annnd..that's why so many are unseen. Another reason to be afraid of her if you're an advisary.
Officially there were only two.
USS Sovereign
USS Enterprise
Lower decks added another one, the Van Sitter I think it was?
According to Memory Alpha, these are the official, known, Sovereign Classes.
USS Ark Royal (NCC-75922)
USS Arsinoe (NCC-75307)
USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-E)
USS Gilgamesh (NCC-74669)
USS Glasgow (NCC-75117)
USS Hrothgar (NCC-74975)
USS Hutchinson (NCC-74957)
USS Igraine (NCC-74980)
USS Inaieu (NCC-75018)
USS Jaresh-Inyo (NCC-75020)
USS Musashi (NCC-74660)
USS Okuda (NCC-74107)
USS Pachacuti (NCC-74181)
USS Sovereign (NCC-73811)
USS Valkyrie (NCC-74877)
USS Van Citters (NCC-72504)
USS Venture (NCC-75306)
USS Warspite (NCC-74922)
@@HexAyed
Confirmed. They were featured in Star Trek Picard.
Thank you.
Darn shame DS9 or TNG films never featured an episode with the Defiant and Enterprise-E crews working together to stop a new Dominion threat
That would have been cool. It would have needed a movie budget to make it happen.
I mean how much awareness did the Dominion have of the Sovereign-class? Unless they were actively used, would they know of their existence?
On the other hand they could also be really hyped up, “one took out a Borg Cube you know”
The Dominion had spies at the top of Starfleet, I think it's likely that one of them may have seen a Sovereign.
The Federation Warbird!
There is no good explanation for why Sovereign ships aren't seen out side the Enterprise-E in the movies other than the dumb real-world reason that the Enterprise-E was a "Hero Ship" and the producers thought having another one from the class appearing in an episode of DS9 or Voyager would confuse the audience because, frankly, they thought their audience was stupid.
To understand why, even the PHASERS on the sovereign are dominion and Borg killers, type 12 phasers are only ever shown on star bases, with the type 11 phasers shown practically one shotting the Klingon fleet along with the larger torpedoes, now imagine a ship that goes warp 9, carrying 14 phaser arrays all stronger, and with quantum torpedoes.
A large powerful ship like a Sovereign-class is a terrible idea against the dominion as they have no problem sacrificing one of their little ships to take out a bigger ship. Not just the Oddysey we also saw them ramming Romulan Warbirds and Klingon Vorcha
I'm going to tell Drach you swiped his music😂
Legionnaire by Scott Buckley... I think if you go back and check he started using it later than me... almost as if I recommended it to him. ;)
Everybody gangster till the sovereign takes out a battlecruiser and dips out. .
I wish DS9 had a big screen movie set during the Dominion War. Seeing the Enterprise and Defiant team up would've been🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
High compliment from the Jem'hadar if they respect a ship class and it's crew.
Never saw one in action against Dominion
My favorite class of Enterprise!
A sovereign going undetected would be simulator to how the graf spa (sorry can't spell it: German pocket battle ship in ww2) caused havoc before it's defeat.
Graf Spee is what you're looking to spell.
That's why the prometheus class is used
IDK, when one of the Jem'Hadar's favorite battle tactic is ramming into another ship, is there any class of ship they're scared of? Plus, the Dominion really use diplomacy as a way to keep their enemies occupied until they can bring enough troops in to completely overwhelm any opposition.
This is my favourite starship by miles! Even against the scimitar it performed well. The fastest, most powerful and deadliest starship in the federation. It was a ship any enemy feared to engage!
I'm surprised I didn't see no sovereign class vessels in " What you leave Behind "
And it didn't necessarily have to be Enterprise E!
Were the background song from
If you have transporters how does that change what supply lines are?
I think the Sovereign class would have the same issues as the Galaxy class and the Romulan D’Derridex, I.e. the Dominian fighters are faster, more agile and thus would inflict damage. The Sovereign class would do well against larger craft like the Breen ships just as it had done well against the Borg cube in STFC.
I dunno when she fought the sona and the reman warbird she manuvered quite well for such a large ship, sure the fighters are more manuverable but I really think those were the only ships the jemhadar had that could outmanuver a sovereign during the war, during some of those bigger fleet battles I could see a Sovereign bobbing and weaving between multiple ships flying effortlessly in the enamys rear with little they could do to turn and engage less they open their flank to star fleets main battleline.
Dominion calls their dreadnougts, which then destroy the Sovereign class ship.
Interesting
LOL...The Dominion couldn't have cared less about The Sovereign Class.
Look at it like this, most of the fleet engaging the borg couldn't take more than one pr two hits...enterprise E plug walks in and tanks two hull cleavers
Honestly, the Sovereign wasn’t all that powerful in the grand scheme of things. It’s a badass ship to be sure, but in a large campaign, with Dominion battle cruisers numbering in the hundreds, possibly thousands, a handful of Sovys placed here or there isn’t going to tip the scales.
Under what storyline did all of this happen?
Ah yes, the concept of fleet in being at it's finest!
It may be in diplomatic missions.... Maybe...
-The Federation
By 2374 only four Sovereign-class vessels had been constructed, due to the rarity of components, especially the ablative armor and quantum torpedoes. The starships were the USS Sovereign (NCC-73811), the USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-E), the USS Odyssey (NCC 65413), and the USS Majestic (NCC-74771).
I think the USS Sentinel was a Sovereign class starship also. Capt. Brennan was in command.
Memory Alpha have it as a Akira Class. Memory Beta have it as a Sovereign Class. Memory Alpha is more accurate with stuff like this.
How many Sovergane Class ships was built tho at the time of the dominian war thow
Day One of asking about shinzons role in the dominion war. And iff the scimitar was built as a response to the jem Hadar battleship.
Why haven't Star Fleets developed stand off weapons?
Yeah, Cessna builds those. You can get one for a cool $10mil.
I think this overrates the soverign that wasnt even used in this war
DS9 would have gone a lot differently if the enterprise E and the better capt. was in charge of the sector and the Star Base.
The Klingons respect Picard and the E would make the dominion think twice
Terrified, I doubt it very much
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I would’ve been more scared of the defiant class, since vastly more maneuverable than the sovereign class, you’re talking vessels that were designed to fight the borg, not the dominion
She has flaws but she has teeth
VERY NICE PICTURE BUT DETAIL ' S WHAT DETAIL ' S .
I'm sorry but you don't hold back your most capable ships when you are fighting for your survival.
I hated it wasnt used
Sorry… WHAT?
Sorry... so that I understand... your theses are 1) the Sovereign class projects diplomatic prowess to solicit support for the Federation versus the Dominion (what are you SMOKING), and 2) the Dominion are worried about Sovereign classes U-Boat'ing supply lines.... are you... having a stroke?
Having never played mass effect can I ask is there a reason why no mass effect ships came into reinforce the good guy before the attack on the death star
I'm gonna have to disagree. I don't think there was much if anything singular ship class wise, that got the actual Dominion, worried.
Now large fleet formations, sure, anyone who doesn't worry about that is a moron.
However, at the start of the Dominion incursion, we witness the Odyssey, absolutely get it's butt handed to it. Now we the viewers are shocked because we see a Galaxy class, go down, we as viewers know how tough Galaxy class ships are.
The Dominion do not. Nor do they care. We can tell they don't particularly care, because they send a JemHedar fighter to re-enact the 1944 Pacific Campaign of the Japanese. We watch, a singular small ship, ram a powerhouse of a Federation vessel and take it out.
Then we find out later that the Dominion has much stronger Battlecruisers, which are equally more terrifying than the absolute hornets nest of JemHedar Fighters, that can literally be summoned out of nowhere and in very, very large quantities.
And it only took three, (really one) to make the Odyssey into stardust.
Now if we want to discuss the Cardassians, who are now members of the Dominion, being terrified of where the Federations Sovereigns are located, that makes sense. But the actual Dominion, the Vorta, JemHedar, and Changelings, merely view them as more troubling nuisances due to sheer overwhelming numbers that they (the Dominion) posses, in comparison to the amount of actual Sovereigns that physically exist.
'Promo sm'
Notice how Earth only got hit once in the Dominion War ?
Sovereign Warships were why. They only had a those 5 With Picard incharge of them.
Those Aliens never stood a chance.
Did the dominion ever meet the Borg ?
Rambling incoherently doesnt sound any better if you do it in an accent.
The Sovereign and other starships from First Contact are full on war-ships, to battle the Borg, as The Next Generation battleships were decimated at Wolf 359. When Commander Shelby says they have new ships on the drawing board in The Best of Both Worlds, all those were still being designed.
It's the lone wolf you don't see that is the real threat.