Drop x Sennheiser PC38X Gaming Headset Review, BY A GAMER!!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- Reviewing the Drop x Sennheiser PC38X Gaming Headset. Is it worth the big $170 price tag?
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Techne prefers closed back... I need open back to hear my wife coming to slap my head!
It's a shame when reviewers obsess with closed back. Open all the way for me.
@@markentwistle9970 it feels like the other way round for me. Closed back just has far more versatility and the low end you sacrifice alongside the sound leak from open backs is just not really worth it unless if you live alone or can actually afford to spend time sitting in a silent room listening to music. The pricing a good pair of open backs is not friendly for budget listeners.
It's all preference. I bounce back and fourth between open and closed back. For me though I enjoy the sound stage, imaging and details that open back headphones put out. I need to hear everything when I play. Bass isn't a priority for me .
@@kalanipickard3861 I don’t really enjoy bass all that much but on pair of budget open backs like the Phillips shp9500 the low end is non existent and it feels pretty empty (at least on certain tracks). Open backs are more detailed but the amount of impracticality for everyday life is annoying for me
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you lost me at "my favorite headphones are the ATH M50X" can't trust anyone that likes that garbage 😂
I trust his opinions on keyboards and mice, not headphones.
@tb It was quite good for its price at the time it got produced. Right now, it's simply outclassed by so many headphones in cheaper price ranges
was actually shocked when he likes the m50x more than the hd58x. wtf. but I think he just really loves that V shape sound. :))
@@crankiisago the hd58x in in a whole different league bit even the cheaper ath m40x is better than the m50x
@@crankiisago Bass over mids or highs any day. That's why i bought the skullcandy crusher.
“The only thing you’re really getting here, is great sound”
🤣 great sound out of headphones? Don’t recommend. Dafuq?
He prefers a V-shaped sound signature and he doesn't like open backed, but with FPS, V-shaped sound is not a good choice and open back gives a much larger soundstage and imaging, to determine direction of footsteps along with the distance.
@@kalel33 actually v shaped sound profile is good for games as you hear explosions and footsteps more
@@twiks8446 That's why V-shaped headphones are the top recommended for gaming. Oh wait, their not. The most neutral ones are usually top choice. The DT1990 is the only non neutral recommendation and they are they least V-shaped of the Beyerdynamics.
@@kalel33
Can you help me pick a headset? I need one
I call BS on the story about how your son can hear your game from his room. Unless you listening to 70 decibels right against your head. If you are , you’re gonna be deaf before you hit 50.
Was gonna say, he probably is listening at dangerously load listening volume and it doesn’t help that American homes don’t have the most noise isolating walls.
Yeah, my HD598s are a whisper from 10 feet away when they are lying on the desk while I get something to drink. Zero chance they penetrated walls and doors to disrupt someone in another room.
Facts, I just got a pair last week, cranked the volume up max to test his theory, stood outside the room & couldn’t hear anything. He’s definitely talking bull.
@@ThorntonNoir I just bought a pair. Literally got them yesterday. They're my first ever open back headphones and you can definitely 100% hear everything if you turn the volume up. They're like speakers.
I agree
EXTREMELY good open back audio quality, both exceptional for gaming and music, really good build quality, plug and play (no bs software), two types of ear cushions which are both phenomenal for comfort and sound, really good comfort (atleast for me), and an exceptional microphone. It also comes with extra cables and a carrying case. It is just really worth $170 imho. Drop also has really good shipping and customer support. Just one touch about build quality. I've had the PC37x for a longggg time, and just got the 38x. I have never had QC issues, and I know that the plastic might feel cheap, but it is actually pretty strong and durable. I know the 37x has the same build on the top band, and the bracket doesn't pop out, and I've had the headset for about 2 years. I truly think that you might just have a defective product, because both my 37x which I've had for 2 years, and 38x doesn't do that. I really think that this headphone review mostly subjective, and I mostly respect that. The only thing about this headset for me, is that I wouldn't recommend it to someone who is in a loud or noisy environment, that's it. I also really do feel bad for you that you probably got a defective copy (talking about the headband piece popping out).
Yeah, for sure a lot of personal preference with this set (minus the build)
It is the best headset I've ever owned. I pair it with my Sennheiser GSX1000 for gaming audio, for music I simply use my Focusrite 212. I prefer the ear cushions that came installed with it rather than the other ones as it has more openness to them. I use them for my Quest 2 for VR gaming and the extra cable that comes works perfectly for the Quest 2.
I've had my daily drivers Sennheiser HD515 for almost 12 years now. Fully plastic. Even developed a small crack around the hinges after the first few months that never became worse. The design is pretty much the same, stellar comfort for those with big ears. Great sound.
is it light for long hours of gaming? please reply im looking to buy it because im getting headaches from the headsets i have
I have never disagreed this much with a review ....
I've had this headset for a month now and tried to stretch it out and it just didn't break at all ....
The plastic is solid and the sound is way better than any gaming headphones on the market ... Every others reviewers agree with that!
You think it's overpriced while a lot of headphones with similar sound quality cost double... And then you recommend the Arctis 9 and the arctis Pro that are more expensive and not as good!
First thumb down this year!
well we all can't agree on everything :(
The arctis headset.... ug. The pc38x sound much better than those for gaming. I have other headphones I prefer for music depending on genre, but none them include the arctis junk.
I have the arctis pro and they are crap, gaming branded crap. they sound like crap. yeah sure it's good for "GAMEEEERRS" hearing footsteps and all that, but they sound like crap, no fun.
why it should be is the awesome mic quality, wide sound stage, excellent imagining, superb comfort, and last but not least the sound quality is just 100/100.
I can’t do closed back headsets. Creates a weird pressure; makes my eardrums throb. Gotta go with open back for me. Also I like being able to hear my kids and surroundings.
Just saw this and don’t want you to feel trapped to open backs (although it’s my preference too). Try closed backs that have more bass. A psychoacoustic effect can cause your head to hurt if you have an absence of bass (can happen with noise cancelling headphones)
They are one of the best imaging headset and insane soundstage which are important for competitive gaming and awesome mic
sure but the open back kills it for competitive
Yeah they do
@@TheTechne Razer blackshark v2 pro worth for the price?
@@TheTechne Not everyone lives with a house full of people. I live alone, and I would absolutely pick an open back over a closed back any day.
@@svrking14 agree, as stated in the video
Praising the M50X reassured me, that while I love his reviews and honesty, I myself am better off watching audio related stuff somewhere else. The M50x to me is a plain unrealistic and boomy experience with too extended highs. The PC38x outperforms it in music AND gaming. I can understand his criticism about it being plastic all over, but I don‘t think the excessive bending is anything to go by. It‘s the same design since the Game One and many users still use that and like the reliability and build quality over the years. That‘s saying more to me about Sennheisers quality than pulling the headset apart.
Oh and very jarring too: He compares PC38x and HD58x and says they sound the same / similar. But what he doesnt mention is that the pc38x has way way better imaging and soundstage, which is imortant for gaming, and also is bad on the M50x for example.
As you might have caught from the video, I never claim to and never want to be an audiophile. Yes I love the m50 and also prefer more highs, again this is a gamer review and I am a gamer. I have watched other reviews on this set and 95% of them are from audiophiles that might game sometimes. So for a "gamer" I highly believe there are better options than this headset at this price
@@TheTechne I respect your honest opinion. It’s still a head scratcher for me when you review a headset “for a gamer” but don’t appreciate the awesome separation and imaging (localization) of this one. Either way, audio is an always will be a very personal thing. Playing music instruments for like 22 years I know I’m not far off when speaking bout that stuff. It is expensive though.
@@87detto oh no, I said the Sound was amazing.
@@TheTechne Techne leave them they won't get you anyways
best mic, best audio, open back, good cable, good reviews
The mic!!!! Who cares about the yellow
"Best mic" For a headset, maybe.
@@PineapplePinesol thats what i meant
@@PineapplePinesol he also meant best audio for headsets, when it comes to headphones there are some that sound much better
@@SexyGaymerPankaj I'm aware, I own multiple headphones
IMO
The PC38x sounds great out of the box. But what I didn’t know, how much life, bass and body could be added to this headset by way of a DAC AMP.
I bought a Steel Series Nova Pro Wired because I really wanted the multi system DAC with built in Amplifier.
Hooking the PC38X to the nova pro wired DAC Amp with the smiley preset, it’s Insane how good it sounds now.
Hey man. Do you know of its compatible to a go xlr and an amplifier like you use?
A lot of people don't realize the wonders a DAC/AMP can do for headphones.
I actually really like the build. it feels ULTRA indestructable. Nothing is going to snap. The SOUND Is amazing. It becomes comfortable (INSANELY COMFY) after you stretch it out over the arm rest of the couch.
Do these need an amp to run? I want to get them but can only plug them into the controller due to series X not allowing usb dacs.
@@LordGuilliman Nah you dont need an amp for these at all. It might benefit in a small way, but theyre only 29 ohms impedence (for reference, the similarly sounding Sennheiser HD58x is 150 ohms, and while an amp would help the sound on those a good amount, it still performs pretty well via the controller). Basically one of the major upsides of these is that they sound so good and are made to drive extremely well from your console or phone
You say it feels flimsy because it's plastic, and then demonstrate by stretching the headset in a way that no normal person would *ever* do just to prove a point. Nobody is going to stretch their $160 headset so the cups are almost 90° from each other, and even then, the headset didn't even break, the rail just popped out.
Also, what's the purpose of a headset? To produce audio and allow the user to communicate clearly. Does this headset do both of those things to a stellar level? Yes, far better than similarly priced headsets.
Lol, the M50X, your one of them. Don't get me wrong, there's a sound for everyone. The joys and freedoms of choice. Other than that, thank you for bringing so much to your reviews, truly one of my favorites.
Wait, what does one of them mean, lol? I’m a serious all around audio technica fan
I saw this review and tried to cancel my Amazon order... I'm glad it had already shipped. It depends on your personal preference but these are for me. The clamping pressure at the bottom of my ears feels weird but they should loosen up over time and the feel of the plastic makes me want to hide them from my kid but the sound is better than the head sets I currently own Astro A50, Nacon Rig 500HC, Playstation Platinum, and (my main) Plantronics Rig 700hx...
I've owned Razer, TB, Astro, and Xbox's own headsets and my favorite headset for FPS is my current one, the HD598 with a ModMic....by far. It's extremely similar to the PC38X and if the H598's died I'd buy the PC38X in a hearbeat.
So did they hold up??
@@ANGEL-fg4hv yep have them on now about to drop in Warzone Pacific. If you get the chance try them with DTS surround sound and if you are using an Astro mixamp like I am cycle the power when switching from Atmos it sounds weird if you don't
@@bp3kk498 planning to use them on a PS5 , hope the mic sounds great .
No complaints from anyone on the mic so far
Finally talking about sound halfway through... isn’t that the most important part??
Not for me at least. I need something that sounds ok, but I care far more about comfort over long hours, durability etc. I use 10 dollar earbuds for listening to music most of the time, I don't need much higher quality for casual listening.
Nah, his reviews seem to migrate to features and RGB gives it a huge bump.
@@ZacharyEntenman even casual listening still need quality sound
that just show how much you didn't care about your music sound most of times
@@1607Adi_Manz I mean, yes exactly, I don't care about sound quality as much as other things, which is an opinion most people hold. Which is my point. Hence I don't "need" quality sound for casual listening.
Comfort is a priority .I have bought about 20 headsets in my time. To the most expensive to the cheapest to the best recommended by youtubers .PAYING UP TO 500 for some. I have bought 4 gaming Sennheiser headsets .GREAT AUDIO . Sennheiser PC38X Gaming Headset I LOVE!! great all rounder. Comfort for hours with amazing audio. Their not a toy to pull and twist and stretch.They plastic their light for comfort and beautiful clear audio.
Yup. Comfort is #1 by far for gaming. It’s why i’m still rocking my SHP9500s, because they’re the MOST comfortable cans I’ve ever worn.
I wasn’t aware you didn’t like open backs. Make sense given your environment. I myself will always prefer open back to closed. I’m in a quiet space when I game so works for me.
When I want to listen to music I put on my Sennheiser HD 58X Jubilee. When I want to play Battlefield I put on the Sennheiser PC38X, and when I want to game in a wireless mode I put on my Sennheiser GSP 670. If I go to a LAN party I take my Sennheiser Game Zero's; and if I feel like digging up one of my old headsets I put on my Sennheiser Game One.
The PC38X has excellent comfort, excellent sound and an excellent mic. I believe most people will conclude that after using it. Sennheiser hasn't disappointed me yet.
The thumbnail tho, techne with no cap??😳😳
These are definitely some of the best sounding headphones you can get for the price, I’ve been absolutely stoked with the sound quality which is what really matters, and build quality seems to be on par with other headphones (most people don’t review headphones so they won’t be twisting and flexing them to test it’s limits, so that’s a nonissue for 99% of people) literally the only issue I’ve had is with that pressure point under your ear mentioned at 3:30 due to the long ear cups, which only bothers me after hours of use. So I would definitely highly recommend these headphones!
I just got these, and they are friggin amazing. Don't listen to anything in this guys video! I have a super loud gaming laptop, a mechanical keyboard, and a pretty loud mouse. And none of these things annoyed me, even with the headphones being open backs! I had the volume at around 50-60% all the time and it was great perfect! The sound is the best best i have ever heard. The imaging and soundstaging is insane, they almost feel 3d! They definitely are great for gaming, and they help me pinpoint where enemies are in video games and such. Love these headphones! Buy them!
never said we all have the same likes/dislikes ;)
@@TheTechne nah its not that, its just that you were definitely biased, and some things were just factually incorrect.
@@gat-x105strikegundam5 because our opinions differ doesn't mean one or the other is incorrect
I wish all headphones reviewers would list their sound preferences and previous headphone reviews so we could reference their credibility. Hate it when they say these are the best cans they have ever heard and have only played COD or Fortnite wearing some over priced RGB gaming headphones. Good compared to what Dt1990s hd800s or good compared to Steel Series? Not saying he is doing that. Just my rant on my internet high chair 😃lol
He does do that though,full of it,to get paid lol
I’ve bought like 10 things because of your reviews 😭 your awesome!!!
but whats there to cry about it...
@@t3mpt397 lol
@@t3mpt397 his bank account
Damn, you remind me so much of Mr Strickland from Back To The Future.
Holly smokes! Now that I saw it, I cannot "unsee" it! 😂
Slacker!
Best mic in all headsets but I hate how it looks.
@Ladioz Yeah
They shiuld've stuck with the same simple, clean, black imo
This is the first bad review I've seen of these.
Actually I hate to say it but this review was accurate for his head and mine. I have had headphones that can really hurt my ears, and the size of these headsets are wrong for some heads. definitely a deal breaker. After looking at them the first time I was thinking about it, I noticed the ear cup design. To be honest everything may be ok for the headset, except the comfort and durability as this guy showed.
@@zombwars7749 no. Theyre perfect for you.
Just snagged these about 1 month ago for 110$ and my gawd this is by far my new favorite gaming headset. So much fidelity and clarity I coupled it with a cheap Astro Mixamp and holy shit this thing can drive.
Its a shame most people dont realize how good these are compared to steelseries and astros because of this review.
its also a shame how much over hyped these are
The pressure at the jaw line is there but goes away after a few days of breaking in. It really doesn't feel that cheap, it's on par with turtle beaches and plantronics that I've owned. The sound is better than anything I've ever used and is the best I've used for positional accuracy. Everybody says my mic sounds great, better than the turtle beach ear force or plantronics rig 800. I just don't like the volume wheel, wish it felt tighter but its how it's designed and works good.
good for warzone ?
@@sleahp5761 I say yes. I use them for pubg
these smoke everything. 3 years; no durability issues, and I used the PC360 G4M3 for 8+ years and I still have them, nothing ever broke (they're the predecessor).
pc37x review? last time I checked, it was $90 and i thought it would be an amazing deal but all the reviews are from a while ago and I would love to see a review from you!
I've never seen that headset for $90.
@@tb1235 it was. On Black Friday or someday close to Black Friday.
@@igaounderground9298 Interesting, that would be a great Headset for $90.
That headset is identical to this except with less bass. These use newer drivers which boost the bass a bit.
The 2 things he says about open backs bleeding sound and being able to hearing everything else going on in the house... In my experience, this is completely untrue. I moved from closed to open back recently and had these fears, got a pair of mid range just in case I didn't like them, I love them so much that I am a bit sad I didn't get a higher quality pair like the pc38x. Unless you're listening at dangerous volumes, you can barely hear anything outside of the room you're in and unless people are screaming at each other, you won't be hearing anyone or anything outside the room.
I prefer open back and love these headphones. On pc I use hd58x with dac/amp combo and dedicated mic. On ps5 I used g6 with ath ad900x/modmic combo. The wire mess kills it so I got the pc38x. Great sound for music and games, great mic. Pc37x is good too at a cheaper price.
How would you compare the sound difference when you use these on the ps5, do get get loud enough?
@@ravens5288 Low impedance headphones so volume is fine.
Do you just plug straight into the controller ?
@@Jord_45 I dont but it can be used like that
I know this is old, but this is terrible.
PC38X is still one of the best gaming headphones. Better imaging, better soundstage, open-back (which won't matter in 99% of circumstances), build quality is really good (plastic is usually to keep the weight down Senn does it with most of their headphones don't be stupid with them and you shouldn't have a problem), and the price seriously? Less than $200 in the US... Doesn't even need a dac/amp (I plug them in with a USB dongle if that tells you anything) and mic is functional enough with a auto mute. It is literally everything thing you need and one of the best sound quality wise you can get for gaming and even sound good for movies and music as well. It is a complete package.
I am an audiophile and still chose them over much more expensive headphones I have for gaming. They are better for gaming than even something like Audeze's LCD-GX, which about $800 last I checked. They are better than Astros, better than Mobius, better than...This video's hot take is bad.
But you can't stretch them out and twist them! That's what I look for in headphones
The music at the beginning and end was a nice touch. Kinda a cozy holiday theme feel.
im getting these for christmas so i hope they dont let me down but good review you always have the best on here
I smile everytime I put them on. They are amazing fit and sound
And THIS is one of the major problems with what TH-cam did.
This video was at SIGNIFICANTLY more dislikes than likes. But even with the "Return the Dislike" plug-in, it only shows 1K likes and 335 dislikes, which is clearly wrong.
So to anyone new seeing this video, and thinking it's great - it's not, this review was widely disagreed with by the majority of watchers, before the dislike button was removed.
Absolutely gorgeous thumbnail!
When are you going to review the Audeze penrose x?
The mic quality alone worths the "cheap" built. For me it was on purpose and it's surely the lightest on the table. And again the MIC quality is bananas. TH-camrs tend to forget this part and focusing heavily on the sound. Which is normal. But amazing mic, lightweight, cool design (I don't mind the yellow), terrific sound (i like an extra little deep sound), and again the MIC alone + sound quality.
Does the mic have a sound gate? What's to stop it from picking up it's own sound when it's open back?. I'm looking to use it on xbox and I stay in parties all day
@@koehler45 yes the only time I hear myself is when my mates didn't set up their sound well from their side. But if you want a perfect sound gate, an open headset obviously you'll still hear yourself a bit but it isn't a deal breaker. Imo. Only issue is that the sound in the headset is coming up quite easily in the surrounding. Again open headset stuff
Im from the UK so drop is a tough choice for me in general, so I went with the HD 560s for £150. Holy shit they blew me away, I used to think my Cloud 2 were perfect, but these beat it in every aspect except sound isolation and built-in mic.
What do you use as a mic for your hd560s?
Yeah I kinda have the same dilemma, I love my HD660s and the detail, naturalness, and separation open backs provide, but if you live in a loud environment, that kinda ruins the immersion
no one who own 660s use in environment where too many noise
hd6 series is built for studio monitoring professional not just for self proclaimed audio enthusiasts
@@1607Adi_Manz ok…
@@SugaFree2387 I'm really sorry, i didn't mean anything bad
I'm really really sorry man
i mean why would someone spend on high class open back without proper environment
i really sorry ok, i only have sundara and only use when my family not around or in my workstation only
@@1607Adi_Manz no worries
The man is always on the grind
Thank you
That headset is my dream headset🥺🥺 ,I love them
@@rusflame I dont particularly agree with Techne on this specific video because the PC38X are hands down the best "gaming headset" yet for some reason he uses Steelseries , unironically one of the most disliked ones among the audiophiles , yet you dont have to go in ape mode and call him an idiot , lol , thats rather immature , you genuinely sound like 12 y/o Justin Bieber butthurt fanboy - yikes.... he's not an audiophile , so such headphones are not everyones cup of tea. Chill , lol... just say how you disagree with him and thats it.
@@Divinity_vA agreed. He seems to like subpar products on a regular base. I still appreciate his perspective but in his top headphones of the year he mentioned logitech's headset must be good because shroud uses it... shroud is sponsored by logitech and has to use their gear on stream.
@@iJansport I fully agree , yeah. I wouldnt take his word for granted especially when it comes down to headsets. If im being serious about a product , i'd rather go to Reddit instead of youtube to be dead honest - more competent people , bigger audience , more experiences rather than buy a product based on 1 review.
I think it should be on the top 5 list because it is the best sounding gaming headset. Period.
1 good thing doesn’t make a good headset
@The Techne, yes I 100% agree, but there are some other good things about it too (I own a pair)
1. One of the best mics on a gaming headset (except of a mod mic of course)
2. Open back
3. The imaging on these headphones are insane, there pretty close to the audio technica 2000x (which are mega expensive)
4. Great soundstage
5. Very, very comfy
6. Superb build quality
And there’s some other things too, but I would put these headphones over ANY other headphones for gaming, except the hd600 and the audio technical 2000. If these bad boys were wireless, they would be the best gaming headphones now and for the future. Love ur reviews techne, keep up the good work!
That stretch test is dumb. Every Logitech product I’ve used died especially headphones. Every sennheiser headphone I have are still functioning.
Why did you stop with the timestamps on the videobar? :(
That's why I'm subscribed. That's why I respect you Techne. Transparency. Honesty. It's that simple. ✌🏻
Dude nobody tries to stretch their headphones wider than their head’s width
Clown
I will preface this, this video is an opinion that’s the nature of a review so I am not saying he is wrong at all. I just don’t want people to miss out on what I view as a very high quality piece of kit on this single review.
My experience: I replaced my Arctis 7p and so far:
The sound and mic are far superior on pc. On ps5 the sound is better but I feel the mic is about the same.
Yes I can hear more outside the headset, it doesn’t lock the sound in, nature of being open back, but for me, not a problem. I can just about hear my phone on half volume while watching a video, I can clearly hear my phone on full volume. Both while next to me of course. But I rarely game in a noisy environment., not sure about techne here. The headset is very comfy in my view, especially after being broken in.
So I have lost out on wireless, but you know what, I’m not overly fussed, ps5 I can just take my pad with me, pc, okay, I have to take the headset off if I’m stepping away. No big deal, the wire itself, meh. Doesn’t bother me at all.
Overall a very positive experience and I love this set, best gaming headset I’ve ever owned.
This is the best gaming headset period, much love to the guy but of you're looking for serious gaming audio there's nothing better. I owned all the mainstream gaming headphones and they were all a joke once I tried these. It's actually insane how accurate they are and the Soundstage is amazing. If you can hear your wife and kids screaming in the background just turn up the volume, it's worth it man. They are super lightweight too and u forget u have them on compared to the heavy ass turtle beach and razer ones. Also anyone you're gaming with is gonna mention how great ur mic sounds. If I catch u in warzone and your using any other headphones u can bet I'm gonna hear you first lol. No hate but if this review is keeping u from giving them a try I would strongly advise you to try them first before u waste money on garbage. Oh yes and also as a bonus, slap on the velour pads it comes with and you got yourself a sick pair of music listening headphones that you can never get out of your typical gaming headset brands.
Do you pair it with an dac/amp
@@sulemagutierrez nope just plug it straight to my series x controller. Although if you're on pc u probably should use a dac amp to get even better sound out of them.
Yeah I do play pc. How’s the bass for like FPS? Is it to much?
@@sulemagutierrez hardly any bass, but now after using it for half a year I recommend the 560s or tygr 300r. The pc38x is amazing but has one fatal flaw, it had terrible vertical positioning, so basically anything above or below u is shit. Anything horizontal from you is perfect but from what I've read the 560s is better in this regard. Please don't buy any steel series or turtle beaches, all those mainstream headsets are a rip off and absolute garbage.
I just ordered the pc38x after having the Corsair virtuosos for a year lol
1st! never been this stinkin' early,
Sad news here: you are not
might want to get your central air checked if it's distracting you reading a book, let alone playing a game.
When you were talking about the build quality on these, I was honestly thinking and comparing them to the Logitech G733 headset with the functionality, build, and price point.
And then what do you end up doing, comparing them to the Logitech G733... I laughed my butt off, lol!
Another great review man!
What are those g733s actually like as a gaming headset?
@@LewisM1984 If you go back and watch the Techne's review of them, they are pretty much exactly as he describes them. Comfortable with good sound out of the box and you can dial them in with the Ghub software. Hopefully that helps!
@@ReconWarrior26 thanks a lot!
I really liked this review because it shows you how much personal preference goes into what you want out of the peripherals you decide to spend your money on.
He's 100% correct about the build of the headphones, the quality just isn't' there especially when compared to other in the same price point and even lower. I personal own these and I love them, but that just me. These are the best SOUNDING gaming headset I have used, has great sound stage, imaging and I love the airyness of the open back style. I'm hearing details in my games that I have never heard before. So for me the build quality didn't bother me because I want great sound first , then comfort, and finally build/features.
Don't worry about the build quality it's the same as many Sennheisers and I have some that are a decade old that have never broken. He's wrong about the plastics used for these they will stand the test of time. That is unless you decide to continuously bend them in ways that no headset is designed to withstand...
I have had the HD515 - the cheapest from the "Hi-fi" line since February 2011. Third pair of pads now, except that - nothing to worry about. For big, long ears they are a godsend. I wonder if the other gaming headphones in the list sound as better. For music.
Sennheiser always feel cheep but last for decades givin you don’t stretch them more than the average head. Open backs are a must
Where does the Tygr 300r come in the top list of gaming headsets please? Or even compared to the pc38x?
I have the Tygr 300 and it's nice!!! It's best feature is imaging for sure.
First off, the TYGR 300R is a standalone headphone ;)
So I´ll be going purely by that and disregard the microphone, you judge wether it´d play a role for you because of money constraints or so (The PC38X is among the best mics I heard on a full on headset so far, you buy the PC38X if you DONT wanna regret anything about sound quality, they basically specced almost all their retail price specc points into sound, not so much build quality if that makes sense)
So I´ll get the easy parts out first:
Build Quality: Clear winner is the TYGR 300R (Every Beyer shaped like that is a tank, also you can literally order each individual part to replace usually) , the Techne is right about the PC38X build not being at flagship level but it doesn´t try to do that to begin with so not a negative IMO. Tho if you´re known to abuse your cans, get the TYGRs.
TYGRs cable is fixed (personal pet peeve) and Sennheiser has its proprietary aaaaall-the-way-up cables that you don´t really find an aftermarket for, basically cables are the biggest weakness of both lol. Still manageable tho, I`m just neurotic like that.
Comfort: Personally I´d say the TYGRs are gonna be comfortable for more ppl, the Sennheiser pad shape doesn´t agree with everyone´s headshape, sometimes digs into behind the jaw. If your local tech store has any sennheisers with oval pads, try those on and see if they clash with your head shape but if not, they´re also quite comfotagle but less soft than the TYGR´s (still soft though, it´s HP pads :D) Headbands shouldn´t be an issue in any case. Both also real light, can be worn for a whole day if needed (Given you adjust them properly ofc)
Sound:
That´s honestly gonna be personal preference, try to get a hold of frequency response graphs of both and ideally also a graph of your most used over ears and compare what you like about the sound of those and go by that. (PC38X has two sets of pads, velour ones makes it sound way less dry, closer to the TYGRs, but the regular ones really mean business aka sound that is conducive to locating and fragging threats, not bass anemic tho by any means if you´re used to neutral tuning, and little known fact the sound you hear seconds after putting cans on your head isn´t the sound you´ll experience the whole session long, brain tries to kinda even out volume differences over time to a degree so less bass won´t be as apparent after a while. But for music specifically, use the PC38´s velour pads)
Vocals will always be more intense on the Sennheiser one when comparing to non-senns, that´s just their thing. Smaller than usual soundstage for open backs and strong focus on mids, aka voices and string instruments and such. Not closed back small soundstage tho, just small-ish for open backs.
Detail is there with both but due to how their frequency response and sounstage size differs it´s delivered differently, but you won´t think you´re missing out on anything with either.
Both of them are cans that you can explore TOOL songs with ;)
Soundstage/Imaging:
These two stats are kinda intertwined.
TYGR has the bigger sound stage and GREAT imaging, Beyer really focussed on that with this model over their existing ones, though if something is *meant* to sound faint in a song or game, it´ll sound faint and you might miss it if you´re distracted.
The PC38X has a smaller soundstage and I feel like that contributes to how most of its detail is right there in arm´s reach, but equally easy to discern.
I think a good way to put it is that the TYGR probably give you a better sense of how far away from you something is supposed to be, while the PC38X have the tighter directional imaging like which angle something is generally coming from, but they´re both great in both direction and distance, and my #1/2 for PvP gaming, to the point where it´s dependent on my mood that day and sometimes I think they both win the duel depending on the game because they both elevate different frequencies and different games´ sounds contain different amounts of the frequencies, I hope that make sense.
If you´re a hardcore semi-pro shooter player I think the PC38X is gonna be better in more titles, direction more important than distance IMO.
Conclusion:
You won´t be taking either outside so deliberate only for inside use, and consider:
- money, wether you NEED a mic too and how professional that needs to be (If you wanna go the content creation route get a dedicated mic either way)
- How well you´ll treat them. More abuse will ALWAYS favor Beyers xD
- If you´ll use them more for gaming or music/general use (super competitive implies PC38X better)
- The kind of music you´ll play with them, if any. More bassy music favors the Beyers, If you´re more the classical type maybe the PC38X after all. Personally I run around the house with the TYGRs on more often, I just love Beyer sound.
Preference in sounstage also plays a role if you have one. TYGR are bigger but PC38X doesn´t feel claustrophobic by any means.
Thanks for taking the time to respond, sounds like the TYGR is better suited to my needs, now if only I could get Beyer to ship me one, with all the brexit crap happening at the moment 🙄
@@b1gd312 big fat F for having the little Britain guy in a toupe for a PM man.
Re: the headphones maybe some local stores have them in stock?
I looked at thomann UK but they don't have them sadly but you'll know the local names better than me.
Best of luck
@@subjecttochange9320 tried lots of different retailers including Thomann and Polar, but no one stocks the headset on its own and wants £320 with the fox mic, which I really done need, as use a modmic wireless
He too angry on them because he broke them 😂 , unfair review
First video I've encountered from this channel and it's easily one the worst in terms of uneducating the viewer on what matters for a gaming headset. The major things that matter for a gaming headset are: built-in mic as qualifier to being a gaming headset at all (because the average non-streaming gamer doesn't want a separate mic device...otherwise, we'd just be looking for the best headset...period), comfortable to wear for however long the gaming sessions are, and great sound because...that's what they do...produce sound and many games have great sound. This headset nails all three of those and is easily worth $170.
It wins on comfort despite your bean brain attempt to call it personal preference. A lot of headphones feel more comfortable initially to wear (my own Sony 1000MX2s for instance), but even those become a drag when I wear them for more than a couple hours. The PC38x has never felt uncomfortable and that's mainly due to the cups being large enough to not clamp down on my large ears.
It has a built-in mic that overperforms for what it's needed for (voice communication, no one is going to think you have a cheap mic) AND it has a physical mute capability. This is a great convenience when you're in an open mic communication mode, but there are moments you need to be muted. No need to alt-tab or hunt for the software mute when you need to chew loudly, fart, burp, or someone walks in and starts talking to you. Being able to flip up the mic is a great and relevant feature.
Sound quality...I'll leave this one to what the audiophiles say. This is the headset to get for sound quality unless you want to spend $1600 for something that's slightly better. Sound quality matters, and it's not some silly personal preference or snobbishness. That you casually throw out "I have a $700 amp" means nothing to me. You still present as a complete idiot on this topic and spending on an $700 amp doesn't change that. Many audiophiles are pragmatic and that they recommend this or a jump to $1600 shows they aren't lying. They aren't suggesting anything in the mid $200s, $350, $500, $800, $1000 range just to pretend there's benefits to spending more - no, they are saying "these are it, stop looking for anything better unless you want to make the jump to spend $1600." Don't get me wrong, I think the sound in other headsets can be "good enough" to "great" when it comes to shallow impressions and general usability for the untrained ear that's just looking to be entertained. In that sense, you won't hear the benefit to the quality of this headset, but it will also not disappoint unless you do have a very skewed personal preference for super heavy base.
The only major feature/convenience for a headset for me is wireless. Yes, this headset is wired so you'll have to deal with a cable plugged in to your PC somewhere. Compared to wireless headsets, the sound produced out of these are far better and this is even more pronounced when you use a solid DAC/amp with them. They have low impedance so they are easily driven, but you can still get better results. If a wireless version of the PC38x came out, I might not buy them because they sound so great with the DAC I'm using (GSX 1000). I also wouldn't want the extra weight so that's why wireless as a feature is low priority unless the laws of physics can be defied and they're magically just as light and just as powerfully driven as if it there were an AMP involved.
I actively lost brain cells trying to get any value out of this review. It was an offensive justification for a clear miss in your roundup video. I'll have to do the opposite of subscribe and prompt TH-cam to not recommend any more of your videos to me ever.
Great comment
These and the pc37x are basically the same only difference are the drivers. With that being said I owned the pc37x’s for a long time and I never had them break on me and I have a pretty big head. I gave them to my nephew and they still going strong. Now I own the new pc38x’s and they are really good. I love how they sound. It’s nothing wrong with these headphones they are just not for you that’s all.
Would you say the difference between the two is noticeable?
@@re-gaming3913 I would say the biggest difference is in the bass. The new pc38x have a little more bass but not uncomfortable
Awesome review! On a separate note it would be rlly cool if you could review some leopold kb like the fc750r for example
man I have had a Leopold keyboard review recorded for almost 4-5 months now, lol, just got so backed up with new releases
Thanks for sending me the link to this video! It was good to hear your opinion on the pc38x. I personally run the gsp 500 with dolby Atmos for headphones, and they freeking romp in battlefield games or other games that have dolby Atmos. There is no headset that even comes close to the gsp 500 in terms of sound quality. I was curious in the pc38x cause they have the same drivers and appear more comfortable. But it was good to hear what you thought about them
Hopefully you didn't let the persuade you from getting them if you wanted more comfortable GSP 500's because like you said they are the same drivers but I'll add with better tuning...
@@PastorwithoutaPulpit na, I've done plenty of homework on headsets and my gsp 500s kick ass. The pc38x aren't enough of a difference to go an buy them
@@dirtytamato let me say this sad thing to you - if you wait for them to break before buying others - it will take a long, long time to have new headphones.
@@ionbarari7202 oh I know, I don't agree with his opinion at all in any way, I was just trying to be respectful. I also don't need new headphones, I was just curious about these
@@dirtytamatofair assessment. Once you find a pair of headphones that you really feel strongly about then it's best to stick with them. I don't have the 38x but I have the semnheiser hd560s and I can hear things I never thought I could hear... like hearing people to precision across the map in r6 siege. But I never recommend the hd560s for gamers cus they have a relatively high impedance and no mic, so I always recommend my friends the similar pc38x
Still one of the best "Gaming" headsets on the market.
I like how he is real with you and doesn’t promote anything can you respond telling me if your going to do a hyperx quad cast or not?
besides steelseries lol.
@@choiboi96 lol, hey I trashed the apex 3 and the aerox mouse
@@TheTechne nah i know. I'm just messing with you. Keep on doing what you're doin 👌.
@@TheTechne do you have a link for thouse gears behind you?! I want them so bad for my set up! Cheers my friend!And keep up the good work!
Nice Vid,Love your channel!
I currently use HyperX Cloud Alphas for PC and PS4/5. I wanted to see what all the rage was about with “audiophile gaming open-back headset.” I wound up buying the Pc37x for $80 (-10 with a coupon) and after seeing this review , I am really glad I made that decision. I was wondering if I should’ve forked over the extra cash for the “newer, improved” version. I also couldn’t get past the yellow and from what I’ve read for gaming, there isn’t enough of a different between the two to warrant the premium price. Thanks Techne! You’re the man!
Is it better than the alphas?
@@Atlas.2k haha. My comment didn’t age well. Since then, I have owned both the black/yellow sennheiser Pc38x version and I currently own the the black epos pc38x. The Pc38x is definitely better then the cloud alphas. Once you try a good open backed headset, it’s hard to go back to anything closed - at least in my opinion.
@@daviddiina2066 I was planning to upgrade from my Cloud 2 to 38x or Alphas. I purchased the 38x due to better sound but then reviews like this make me feel like I have made a mistake due to footsteps being harder to hear and hearing background noises. Thanks to comment like these it helps me understand it better.
I got the bsv2pro bcoz of your review and luv it so much so comfy I use flat eq on music then when gaming I set to game profile then turn off thx with a flick if of a keyboard shortcut its a gem that can do both well, Like you my room is right next to a busy road with motorcycles and cars all the time where open back does not make sense
I said out loud “that’s what she said” like 3 times 😂
I absolutely agree with you, love from India. Have come across similar concerns abt the headset, glad you addressed it.
Dude!! I get the same pressure point at the bottom with the pc37x...good catch man!! Love you buddy
"Incredibly, incredibly gumball machine". I am still dying over that line. 🤣
Techne uses the strangest music in his videos. It catches you off guard XD.
Just wait for the music in the next video ;)
Been waiting
Surprising review i would like to see a review of the gsp 300
personally, the only thing that comes close to these headphones is the PC37X other than that these are by the best gaming headphones period, only problem is their very tricky to get if your outside the USA I had to pay are premium for these since I live in Australia but their worth it.
That Sennheiser headset will be around long after those you call a better build have fallen apart. Same build and design as most of their headsets basically. I have a set of 600's I've had for a decade or more and they still work and sound as amazing as day 1 if not better. Also with Sennheiser they have to be broken in basically and after a few weeks that clamping force loosens up to adjust to your head. It doesn't get sloppy it just conforms to fit and those pressure points disappear. The sound is more of a musical type sound than pure gaming, while at the same time being tuned to be excellent for gaming. I think maybe you've made yourself so accustomed to crappy gaming headset sound that when you hear something decent you reject it because it doesn't make you feel like your ears are going to bleed in the same way most Kraken headsets do. Also with open back you get a much wider sound stage with better spacial awareness. Open back of course does mean those around you will hear them but it isn't that dramatic unless you listen at levels that are much to loud or they're close to you and yes the next room is close. To use open backs that has to be taken into consideration so it can be a drawback but for myself it's well worth the trade off for that expanded sound stage and spacial awareness. Now everyone has opinions just like a certain part of the human anatomy and these have been mine...
Im so happy i watched this review and others cause i just got one of the best sounding gaming headsets and i dont have a head like summit1g so not worried about build quality
I totally agree that the headphones feel cheap but that is because all the budget went into the drivers and EPOS wanted to make a premium sounding headphone while being able to be affordable. Had they made the headphones build quality even better than the headphone would have been $250-$300. I've had mine for a little over 2 years now and they are still great and when i got mine I had like 3 discounts into it and got $30 off at the time. It is cheap plastic but its strong enough just to hold on to.
Whats the real world verdict on the microphones background noise cancellation?
Best all round sound and I’ve tried them all
Had the gsp500 these are next open back are the best imho
Don't like open back? Stick to mice reviews. You'll definitely kill those.
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131k already ?! Dam this channel growing fast.
Thanks to U all
Can u try the sennheiser gsp 500 open backs and sennheiser gsp 600 closed back, I'm thinking about those but worried if the consoles have enough power to drive them. Pc38x doesn't have that problem.
Do EQ settings save from pc to ps4/ps5? Mainly asking for the blackshark
Its funny how open and closed opinions can differ so much - I absolutely hate the closed back. I can hear myself breath in the H6 Pro closed ones, and it ruins its for me, which is why I ended up watching this video, to find alternatives to the H6 pros, because they was soo disappointing compared to my old PC363D's :(
Everybody who has the PC38X loves em. They should be on any best headset list without a doubt
Hey techne! Can you do a review on the Senheiser PC37X?
It’s years old look at literally anything else
I was talking to him about it I think it will be his next review
@@impartial6119 couldn’t see why it would be good for historical purposes I guess but let’s be real it was the game one clone and set the benchmark for a wired pair in gaming. All there is to it.
@@impartial6119 i have the pc37x they are good buy a little light on bass extensions that the pc38x fixes buy i haven't tried the pc38x yet
@@truthtimetv4575 they're still good tho
I love the honesty in your reviews.
I own an old pair of HyperXCloud II and I bought the PC38X & Beyerdynamic 990 pro to see if I could find something better for both gaming and recording/mixing music.
The PC38X were “unimpressive” in the sound department. Not entirely sure why that is but when I play music on Spotify, I find it’s lacking appropriate bass & high end frequencies. The pressure on the jaw is unbearable.
The 990 pro sound absolutely incredible with a solid high end which I love, and the bass is clear. It suits my music and gaming needs quite well. They are also much more comfortable.
This made me realize the HyperX Cloud II is definitely fine for gaming, not so much for music.
Just to update where these are sitting now in the competitive field...$139 everyday price. Picked them up for $119 on Cyber Monday.
does anyone else get a snapping noise when flexing the headband to put them on
nope. No snapping of any kind here.
I got it and gave the garbage away
An interesting review, I love Open Back because I like being able to hear around me. Your points are right on though, there are many times where my kid or Wife can hear my stuff out of my headset (Sennheiser 599SE Openbacks) though I have found that in games like COD or something I don't notice the outside noise. I'm buying a pair of Arctis 7 to try out and I'm worried that Closed Backs going to be rough to adjust to. Thank you for your thoughts on this one as I have looked at getting it myself, cheers.
Hardest part about going back to closed back headsets is talking in the mic and not speaking too loud 🤣
You spread the headset so far apart it was almost flat. Then you were shocked it cracked open. Nobody is going to do that when putting it on. Its just like when mouse reviewers squeeze the bottom of the mouse... just a useless test to try and destroy the product with irregular use.
The fact is these and other sennheiser headsets are comfortable, they have a broadcast quality mic, and the open back sound stage is insanely good for competitive gaming.
Clearly you don't like open back since you have a wife and kid bothering you, but that doesn't mean you need to sh*t on it in a review. I think the jbl quantum pro would be a good headset for you.
oh boy here we go. Let me explain this to you again, as I did in the video. Are you going to flip your car 5 times at high speeds? No, at least we hope not, but the car companies test this for us! Now us a product reviewers test these product for maybe a month, so how can we speak on longevity, and build over time? I pull and twist many headsets, this is the first to partially break. Now open back for competitive gaming? Maybe if you live by yourself, and you're friends don't mind your sound bleed into your mic. So maybe you're a solo competitive player.
@@TheTechne sped
What a good detailed honest review. I am new to the whole “audiophile” thing and a friend recommended these to me and sure enough your review was one of the first reviews that came up. Looks to me like you and i have the same preferences for gaming headsets so immediately removed these from my cart. I had no idea what open back vs closed back headsets were until now, and i would have extremely disappointed if these would have came in and i could hear everything around me, that to me is an instant deal breaker.
Not sure how loud it is at your home but with 70% + volume during gaming you will never hear any other sounds in the background with openback headphones, they just feel more free and open compared to closeback that feel very intimate and really close. Also you're friend gave you the best recommendation, these headphones are bar none the best pure audio "gaming" headphones on the market emphasis on the "gaming" part, there are studio grade headphones that can be used for gaming with an amp that would be better but cost a lot more. Also if you plan to use the mic on these headphones they are 1 of 3 best mics for gaming headphones. These are seriously the best gaming headphones you can own, they may not be the most premium physically but the sound quality is unbeatable for gaming in this price range. Comfort is obviously subjective.
I like your Videos, but can you please make a Review about the HK Gaming Sirius-M
That thumbnail is my favourite out of all your video 🤣 and is Stinkin Cozy review