@@markplott4820 stock forged wheels they weighed were surprisingly light. Wonder how the balance would be with a square setup… perhaps an extra set of OEM rears on the front. I’d imagine weight balance is close to 50/50, no?
Great video! Love watching these improvements. On the next one, it might be good to show the lap times with just the suspension upgrades in the different phases- one could say the tires by themselves could improve the lap time vs the actual suspension components. It would help show which parts make the biggest difference and help differentiate the benefit of just swapping wheels/tires over the host of suspension upgrades.
We understand the desire to test before and afters of individual parts, and we often do. There is a lot that goes into producing content like this so we took a phased approach we commonly see in the community. Also, a lot of these parts perform best when paired with other parts or better tires. ie. adding sway bars would be beneficial on stock tires, but will be much more impactful when grippier tires are installed which result in more body roll.
@@rymaples of course some of the time is just tire, but you would not be able to do such wide tires without camber arms and toe arms. But in theory you could fit camber and caster arms with lowering springs and very wide tires, if you just want more grip. But there is an issue that when you have more grip, you drive quicker. If you then use regen to brake (if you dont upgrade brakes), you will overheat battery and loose performance. Then you can of course do a cheaper big brake kit with just discs + pads, that will make it possible to turn off or down regen. Then you will of course be able to hold power longer. However it would be fun to see something between phase 1 and phase 2, I agree. Its not that I dont know coilovers are better for track, but where as my last 3P from 2019 I added coilovers etc. I dont want to do it this time. So I do want wider wheels + maybe lowering + other tires etc. and then maybe adding camber and toe arms to the car without coilovers. But of course the time would be somewhere between phase 1 and 2 :-) Should be said you can of course also run more insane tires than they did in this test, like RE71RS or a cheaper nankang tire like CR-S. You could also run CR-S tires on the OEM wheels, maybe fitting 255 or 265 to the OEM front 9" and fit 275 or 285 to the OEM 20" rear. If then adding more camber, I think performance should be maybe better than the step 1 in this video, with less cost as you would run OEM rims. However you would then need to buy some other rims.. so maybe cost isnt really less :P And then if you buy other rims, you should maybe rather buy 19" or 18" rims for the semislicks as they are cheaper and you have more options. However if you want to run street tires like PS4S, I think I would maybe do Sportcontact 7, its much cheaper and in many metrics better than PS4S.
For Phase 1, which of the three available settings/mounting holes was used on the "Street/Track" version sway bars? And there was mention in the video that the new 24' M3P rear end is stiffer than previous years. Is that stock spring increased stifness over previous years? Or is that stock rear sway bar increased over previous years?
Tnx for the video. However to give a more relevant comparison of each phase it should have been done with the same wheel setup. I reckon the cup 2 rs alone is a 3-4s improvement all thing else stock on this track/car combo?
Phase 1 is great, especially for the buck. It's important to consider that record laps for each phase was not the goal and given the conditions, and limited seat time when shooting this content, and all of these times can likely improve, especially Phase 2. It's also important to remember that the faster the lap time, the harder it is to cut time down. So the earliest and easiest modifications often seem like the most impactful.
@Areku06 indeed, EV6 is also very heavy. Good traction of the EV6 is mostly due to the wider tyres, but you see that in the efficiency, it's too thirsty for a daily.
So, there was only 1 lap done in stock form? That's hardly enough track time to have a good baseline. Just a bit misleading with a 4 second gain. I'm certain Craig can sub2 to the stock car if he got more familiar with it first. Not criticizing Craigs driving just the testing methodology.
The purpose of the experiment was same driver, same car, same timing/track conditions, multiple rounds of mods, and to capture both objective and subjective data. A video like this is hard to create all in one-go. It is not perfect science nor is it presented as such. We wanted to share our experience. Craig was only able to get 1 lap in stock form and with phase 1 mods for this experiment due to time constraints of the day, modifying the car in real time, time for cooling and needing the car at a full SOC for apples-to-apples comparison. Craig is also confident that in different circumstances he could have run a faster lap both in stock config and in modded configs, but the goal was not setting lap records it was experiential sharing.
@@UnpluggedPerformanceTesla Include all this information in the actual video content next time so as not to incite comments like mine. If I was an uninformed person, I would have no way of knowing what you just said. I would hope that UPP would not purposely try to mislead people. A lot of people don't bother reading video descriptions and what you just told me wasn't all there. Hopefully you can take this as constructive and not as an attack on UPP.
@@stevencase243 We believe in the goodwill of the Tesla and track communities, and hope that our fellow community members will receive this video for what it is, a documentation of our testing experience. This was clearly not a lap record video, we didn’t even get in a clean lap with the coilovers and BBK so clearly this is just an experience share. We'll continue to share our experiences and put in our best efforts to share with the Tesla community.
Problem is the Model 3 Performance Highaland overheats extremely fast. Not just the brakes but also the motor or battery. Someone tried to do one single run at the nurburginh where the brakes went out after 1/4 the lap and the motor/battery cut power by 50% before the lap even finished. Awesome that the brakes are an easy fix but this seems to be a bad track car. It would be awesome if you could can do some modifications for the Ioniq 5N which had insane cooling capability. It was able to finish 2 nurburging laps with insignificant brake fade and zero battery/motor throttling. You guys need to find some way to keep the battery/motors cooler so you can lap the Model 3 performance for multiple laps on a smaller track instead of just 1 for full power
@@ShaunRF How much better though? I know capacity is like 5kwh more so it has more power but I'd assume it still over heats unless they have additional cooling
@@markplott4820 4k lbs?! Wow! Where have you seen this tho? I’ve been in touch with Stealth directly and as of a couple weeks ago, they didn’t have confirmation the US model would support towing at all. Would be big for me tho, as I’d likely sell my SUV.
The driver is a few corners in on the stock set up and says, "the brakes are already steaming" ... any experienced track driver, or a mechanic that does track setups will tell you ... the first thing you do to get better lap times (and consistently) is to have better brakes. That either starts with just pads, or a full kit. -- While I love and agree with your improvements in Phase 1, it should have included pads that work with the stock discs. -- Additionally a more fair track day test would be using Cup 2s, the R's are for getting one or two great laps, not a session full of consistently great laps. -- Even better if you could have find a set of rims that could fit a square setup of Nitto NT-01s ... a street legal track tire ... that would be a true track rat experience ... regular track folks have an extra set of rims.
As much as I wish it wasn't the case because I would like to upgrade to the MP3 from my LR, these Teslas are a waste of time and money for track day driving due to the seriously bad battery overheating. The 5N is the choice and needs no upgrades.
BTW - IF & when Tesla releases the Carbon - Ceramic brake kit + Speed boost & Track mode, combined will be FASTER than the +up brake kit alone. as +up wont be able to Access the TESLA speed boost or Track mode w/ TESLA brake kit.
Drawing from your catalogue, what would you recommend for an SCCA EVX Class setup on the 2024 M3P? I'm taking mine to its first autocross in a few days. Running in it A Street for now.
the TAKEAWAY here is NEW M3P stock is fine as Daily Driver , ROAD tripper & Canyon carver. IF you are going to RACE it , then simply UPGRADE it to the Maximum , get Bigger CC performance brakes. Upgrade to RACING suspension , Forged Wheels & PERFORMANCE tires. roll cage is OPTIONAL. you can GUT interior to lighten weight. you CAN Replace front w/ Splitter and REAR Diffuser.
Didn't understand The point... You are changing suspension together with tires that are massive change for laptime. What is the point. We don't know (and now, count on you) what is the change from suspension alone and tire alone. Most of the change is mostly the tires...
Until something can be done to improve battery and motors cooling management all these accessories are mostly a waist of money. Anyone would be getting a better track product by just buying a Hyundai Ioniq 5N.
@@mho0 - just FALSE. Blake Fuller & Randy Probst have ZERO issues doing FAST laps around the track or at Pikes Peak hill climb. Blake even used TM3P on Mt. Washington.
@@markplott4820 You have no real clue ... I was just few days ago at track last time and all Teslas (and also most of the other EVs ... it is not only Teslas) will overhead very fast. It would be nice if that would not be the case, but it is. That is very easy fact to realize if you just go to track days. Then you would also know that Teslas over heat also breaks pretty fast and suspension is a at soft side. But for those UP guys do sell upgrades. So those are kind of easy fix. They do not sell those for nothing.
@@mho0 - PLEASE talk to PROFESSTIONAL Tesla RACE Drivers , DARK HELMET has a new Driver , cant remember his name . Team UP+. Randy now Drives the Dark Knight by Unplugged .
@@Maarten_vd But you still won't have a M3P that can do more than a couple of laps before overheating. In the US the price difference is about $17K after rebate. Apparently that went to proper cooling and brakes.
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This is pretty cool, would definitely like to have the bigger brakes installed on my performance 24.
also needs Forged metal Wheels & Performance tires.
@@markplott4820 stock forged wheels they weighed were surprisingly light. Wonder how the balance would be with a square setup… perhaps an extra set of OEM rears on the front. I’d imagine weight balance is close to 50/50, no?
YES YES YES YES! Great job on this vid.
That thing was flying a the end, really impressive!
I would love to see what tires alone with the Michilen Pilot sports would have done.
TOYO RRR.
Very cool. 😎 I did a test drive of Performance 3 last weekend at Xtakeover and it is fast, but I did notice the body roll that you mentioned.
this is SICK
Great video! Love watching these improvements. On the next one, it might be good to show the lap times with just the suspension upgrades in the different phases- one could say the tires by themselves could improve the lap time vs the actual suspension components. It would help show which parts make the biggest difference and help differentiate the benefit of just swapping wheels/tires over the host of suspension upgrades.
We understand the desire to test before and afters of individual parts, and we often do. There is a lot that goes into producing content like this so we took a phased approach we commonly see in the community. Also, a lot of these parts perform best when paired with other parts or better tires. ie. adding sway bars would be beneficial on stock tires, but will be much more impactful when grippier tires are installed which result in more body roll.
@Heylookitsremy I was thinking the same thing. How do we know where the difference came, the tires or the suspension upgrades?
@@rymaples of course some of the time is just tire, but you would not be able to do such wide tires without camber arms and toe arms.
But in theory you could fit camber and caster arms with lowering springs and very wide tires, if you just want more grip.
But there is an issue that when you have more grip, you drive quicker. If you then use regen to brake (if you dont upgrade brakes), you will overheat battery and loose performance. Then you can of course do a cheaper big brake kit with just discs + pads, that will make it possible to turn off or down regen.
Then you will of course be able to hold power longer.
However it would be fun to see something between phase 1 and phase 2, I agree. Its not that I dont know coilovers are better for track, but where as my last 3P from 2019 I added coilovers etc. I dont want to do it this time. So I do want wider wheels + maybe lowering + other tires etc. and then maybe adding camber and toe arms to the car without coilovers. But of course the time would be somewhere between phase 1 and 2 :-)
Should be said you can of course also run more insane tires than they did in this test, like RE71RS or a cheaper nankang tire like CR-S. You could also run CR-S tires on the OEM wheels, maybe fitting 255 or 265 to the OEM front 9" and fit 275 or 285 to the OEM 20" rear. If then adding more camber, I think performance should be maybe better than the step 1 in this video, with less cost as you would run OEM rims.
However you would then need to buy some other rims.. so maybe cost isnt really less :P
And then if you buy other rims, you should maybe rather buy 19" or 18" rims for the semislicks as they are cheaper and you have more options.
However if you want to run street tires like PS4S, I think I would maybe do Sportcontact 7, its much cheaper and in many metrics better than PS4S.
For Phase 1, which of the three available settings/mounting holes was used on the "Street/Track" version sway bars? And there was mention in the video that the new 24' M3P rear end is stiffer than previous years. Is that stock spring increased stifness over previous years? Or is that stock rear sway bar increased over previous years?
Did you adjust any settings in Track-Mode for these laps?
Tnx for the video. However to give a more relevant comparison of each phase it should have been done with the same wheel setup.
I reckon the cup 2 rs alone is a 3-4s
improvement all thing else stock on this track/car combo?
Phase 1 gave the best bang for the buck
Phase 1 is great, especially for the buck. It's important to consider that record laps for each phase was not the goal and given the conditions, and limited seat time when shooting this content, and all of these times can likely improve, especially Phase 2. It's also important to remember that the faster the lap time, the harder it is to cut time down. So the earliest and easiest modifications often seem like the most impactful.
I wish you guys did R&D and made products for other EVs. I’d love to see a head-to-head with an EV6 GT or BMW i4 M50 with and without similar mods.
Gotta bet they’re playing to largest market cap with dev costs so high, so this should change soon as other makers start catching Big T.
I4 m50 is too heavy imo for track car, it’s 5k lbs, and ev6 GT market shake is too small.
@Areku06 indeed, EV6 is also very heavy. Good traction of the EV6 is mostly due to the wider tyres, but you see that in the efficiency, it's too thirsty for a daily.
why , NONE of them even Compare to STOCK performance Tesla.
All those EVs weigh almost 1,000 lbs more , and come with McPherson strut suspension (not double a arm) .
So, there was only 1 lap done in stock form? That's hardly enough track time to have a good baseline. Just a bit misleading with a 4 second gain. I'm certain Craig can sub2 to the stock car if he got more familiar with it first. Not criticizing Craigs driving just the testing methodology.
The purpose of the experiment was same driver, same car, same timing/track conditions, multiple rounds of mods, and to capture both objective and subjective data. A video like this is hard to create all in one-go. It is not perfect science nor is it presented as such. We wanted to share our experience. Craig was only able to get 1 lap in stock form and with phase 1 mods for this experiment due to time constraints of the day, modifying the car in real time, time for cooling and needing the car at a full SOC for apples-to-apples comparison. Craig is also confident that in different circumstances he could have run a faster lap both in stock config and in modded configs, but the goal was not setting lap records it was experiential sharing.
@@UnpluggedPerformanceTesla Include all this information in the actual video content next time so as not to incite comments like mine. If I was an uninformed person, I would have no way of knowing what you just said. I would hope that UPP would not purposely try to mislead people. A lot of people don't bother reading video descriptions and what you just told me wasn't all there. Hopefully you can take this as constructive and not as an attack on UPP.
@@stevencase243 We believe in the goodwill of the Tesla and track communities, and hope that our fellow community members will receive this video for what it is, a documentation of our testing experience. This was clearly not a lap record video, we didn’t even get in a clean lap with the coilovers and BBK so clearly this is just an experience share. We'll continue to share our experiences and put in our best efforts to share with the Tesla community.
@@stevencase243 You must absolutely LOATHE magazine/youtuber car testers LMAO
Awesome. 👍
would the cancelor kit upgrade with Tesla's OTA updates?
Problem is the Model 3 Performance Highaland overheats extremely fast. Not just the brakes but also the motor or battery. Someone tried to do one single run at the nurburginh where the brakes went out after 1/4 the lap and the motor/battery cut power by 50% before the lap even finished. Awesome that the brakes are an easy fix but this seems to be a bad track car.
It would be awesome if you could can do some modifications for the Ioniq 5N which had insane cooling capability. It was able to finish 2 nurburging laps with insignificant brake fade and zero battery/motor throttling.
You guys need to find some way to keep the battery/motors cooler so you can lap the Model 3 performance for multiple laps on a smaller track instead of just 1 for full power
The European one is worse in this regard, due to the LG battery used in that version. The US version is a bit better.
@@ShaunRF How much better though? I know capacity is like 5kwh more so it has more power but I'd assume it still over heats unless they have additional cooling
NEW model 3P is not Fully UPDATED yet, jerkwad.
Is the new performance 3 better than the last gen in every way?
Diameter of front wheel and rear wheel are not eqial, will it effect to the car? M3P is AWD
BTW - the Tesla M3P stock is still FASTER than any Mustang , Demon, Hellcat or Trailhawk.
and w/ +up Bumper it can TOW 4,000 lbs .
@@markplott4820 4k lbs?! Wow! Where have you seen this tho? I’ve been in touch with Stealth directly and as of a couple weeks ago, they didn’t have confirmation the US model would support towing at all. Would be big for me tho, as I’d likely sell my SUV.
@@Leander311 - TOW bar from Unplugged.
@@Leander311 - +up does 1:35:069 HOT lap @ Laguna Secca w/ Tesla 2024 model 3 PERFORMANCE.
@@markplott4820I’m only seeing one for X/S models, rated for 5k lbs.
Unplugged - it would be nice if you Plotted out all the LAPS comparing one another, in one chart w/ labels for each Lap.
Anyone doing anything for battery cooling yet? This seems to be the issue, perhaps motor cooling too.
TESLA , already has BEST in Class BMS , Thermal system & HEAT pump.
@@markplott4820you must live under a rock, it's a well known issue this model overs heats the battery
@@markplott4820 agreed, but it would not make more than 5 laps around that track at race speeds without reducing output due to heat.
@@scottcook6844 - tell that to Randy Probst & Blake Fuller who RACED model 3 uphill @ pikes peak.
@@markplott4820 those guys running pikes peak with m3’s have added massive radiators to cool the batteries.
The driver is a few corners in on the stock set up and says, "the brakes are already steaming" ... any experienced track driver, or a mechanic that does track setups will tell you ... the first thing you do to get better lap times (and consistently) is to have better brakes. That either starts with just pads, or a full kit. -- While I love and agree with your improvements in Phase 1, it should have included pads that work with the stock discs. -- Additionally a more fair track day test would be using Cup 2s, the R's are for getting one or two great laps, not a session full of consistently great laps. -- Even better if you could have find a set of rims that could fit a square setup of Nitto NT-01s ... a street legal track tire ... that would be a true track rat experience ... regular track folks have an extra set of rims.
As much as I wish it wasn't the case because I would like to upgrade to the MP3 from my LR, these Teslas are a waste of time and money for track day driving due to the seriously bad battery overheating. The 5N is the choice and needs no upgrades.
then YOU go & design a Better one , then offer Conversions.
@@markplott4820 It needs to start with an 800v architecture...
@@pstoppani - nope only need 400v.
800v is propaganda.
@@markplott4820 plz provide some proof then
@@markplott4820
BTW - IF & when Tesla releases the Carbon - Ceramic brake kit + Speed boost & Track mode, combined will be FASTER than the +up brake kit alone.
as +up wont be able to Access the TESLA speed boost or Track mode w/ TESLA brake kit.
Unplugged Performance - when will you offer ACENTION upgrades to 2024 Tesla model 3 Performance ?
Drawing from your catalogue, what would you recommend for an SCCA EVX Class setup on the 2024 M3P? I'm taking mine to its first autocross in a few days. Running in it A Street for now.
EVX looks reletively open so you could go as crazy as you want. Contact us via phone or email to deep dive on it.
Sadly 2024 M3P doesn’t qualify for EVX or AS, new rule updates moved it to SS or SSP. Sucks man :(
@@tomasb5936 Thanks for the heads up. I would have missed that reclassing. Glad I hadn't ordered class letters yet
the TAKEAWAY here is NEW M3P stock is fine as Daily Driver , ROAD tripper & Canyon carver.
IF you are going to RACE it , then simply UPGRADE it to the Maximum , get Bigger CC performance brakes.
Upgrade to RACING suspension , Forged Wheels & PERFORMANCE tires.
roll cage is OPTIONAL.
you can GUT interior to lighten weight.
you CAN Replace front w/ Splitter and REAR Diffuser.
Do realize how much more money that would cost? Get a BMW at that point
Didn't understand The point... You are changing suspension together with tires that are massive change for laptime. What is the point. We don't know (and now, count on you) what is the change from suspension alone and tire alone.
Most of the change is mostly the tires...
If you can come out with a battery Cooling product that would sell like hot cakes
NOT NEEDED, Tesla M3P already has BEST in Class thermal system, BMS & Heat Pump.
@@markplott4820 how come in every video on TH-cam the new one can't make it around any track without overheating?
@@stevesute - wrong Equipment & config.
@@markplott4820 finally you admit you're wrong
@@stevesute - mostly broke d- ck car reviews.
Until something can be done to improve battery and motors cooling management all these accessories are mostly a waist of money. Anyone would be getting a better track product by just buying a Hyundai Ioniq 5N.
TESLA thermal system, BMS & HEAT pump are BEST in Class.
@@markplott4820 Not really. Car is fast, but overheats everything in notime. That said issue is the same for most other EVs also.
@@mho0 - just FALSE.
Blake Fuller & Randy Probst have ZERO issues doing FAST laps around the track or at Pikes Peak hill climb.
Blake even used TM3P on Mt. Washington.
@@markplott4820 You have no real clue ... I was just few days ago at track last time and all Teslas (and also most of the other EVs ... it is not only Teslas) will overhead very fast. It would be nice if that would not be the case, but it is.
That is very easy fact to realize if you just go to track days.
Then you would also know that Teslas over heat also breaks pretty fast and suspension is a at soft side. But for those UP guys do sell upgrades. So those are kind of easy fix. They do not sell those for nothing.
@@mho0 - PLEASE talk to PROFESSTIONAL Tesla RACE Drivers , DARK HELMET has a new Driver , cant remember his name . Team UP+.
Randy now Drives the Dark Knight by Unplugged .
Hyundai N spec ioniq 5 is made for the track
Costs 40k more. As not eligible the the tax credit. For that money, you get carbon brakes, track suspension and a family trip around the world.
@@Maarten_vd But you still won't have a M3P that can do more than a couple of laps before overheating. In the US the price difference is about $17K after rebate. Apparently that went to proper cooling and brakes.
US tracks are so soulless.
Disappointing you made so many changes between tests. Not the best way to do it.