I played New World recently and I'm enjoying it a lot. The major hurdle I've come to is Discord. You join a company (guild) and nobody types in chat. It's so quiet you can hear a pin drop. When I asked several times in companies im told everyone's on discord. Why do I have to join a third party voice chat program when there's no raiding or large pvp going on? The game has voice and text chat in many different channels already... so now I have to get on discord too? That's a big issue. Maybe I don't want my personal social media presence in your guilds discord? It's not moderated like the games are and believe me it can sometimes be like the Wild West. Not comfortable.
Imo the true issue with mmos like WoW and FFXIV are the internet. 20 years ago during the days of Vanilla WoW, Star Wars Galaxies, OSRS etc etc. There were very few places to talk about builds and game mechanics, but now with guides being out left and right for every single little game feature it has now taken the adventure out of video games. Now that I think about it, same thing applies for single player games….
i've friends who google solutions at the drop of a hat. ...meanwhile last night in FFXIV someone through together a party to try and "discover" how to defeat a boss from 6 years ago. we ran that for 2 hours figuring it through trial and error and it was some of the most fun i've had in the game for years.
@@pmaestro ..or it could have been a miserable waste of time and you wish you could have optimized the run retroactively :^) you never know these days.
When I was in pursuing my Computer Science undergrad degree from Purdue, a professor said something that has held true my entire life. "People with a passion for what they're creating will create an awesome product. Once that product becomes popular enough that people with business degrees catch wind of it, they will come and absolutely decimate anything that was good about it." The people with business degrees have destroyed the MMO genre, and they're in the process of killing the gaming industry as a whole.
It's convenient to blame the business people, just like it's convenient to blame politicians for non-game problems in society, but it isn't why MMO genre has problems. Business people didn't force Blizzard to sketch out ideas for TBC on a napkin that included flying mounts.
MMO players waiting for the next new MMO usually waiting by playing gacha or playing some type of RPG. Which gives instant gratification mostly. Then when the MMO comes out, it feels boring compared to the previous game they were playing.
MMO's were replaced by open world gachas. MMO's are expensive to maintain. The best of them require a monthly subscription and the worst of them have a constant barrage of monetization popups. Now, the new gachas don't offer the MM, but MMO's were moving away from that game element except for endgame anyway. Leveling up became a solo effort in MMO's. Players would only gather for instances and raids. MMO's and open world gachas aren't a one-to-one trade, but it's where the market went. It's where the money currently is.
Lot of mmos has been plagued by nonmmorg audiences what started demand changes to increase covinience and make overall game yourney more acessible which Is what ruined most mmos.
no what killed mmorpg was the lack of new player most of the ppl who played i nearly 2000 got something CALLED A LIFE , catering the casuals didnt kill mmorpg it saved them ffxiv endwalker expantion is proof of that.
@@anteprs7908 What truly has been killing MMOs is that they all have been trying to copy WoW with little to no substantial innovation. Like sorry, I'm not interested in playing WoW flavored with "insert franchise", I've played it to death and I don't wanna play that again, bring back sandbox and sandpark MMOs.
There are some more recent ones that are doing pretty well. GW2, ESO, OSRS (not that recent and a re-release, but hey), Lost Ark, Throne and Liberty (this will likely change tbf), and New World. Most of these games (cept OSRS) are not hitting BIG numbers outside when they came out, but they are all well populated and receiving plenty of content so I would consider them alive personally. This video kind of reads as "I don't play this game so it must be dead" There are some good points in this video however, alot of potential MMO players are playing games that don't require as much time to play.
I think it's because of phones. Phone games ate up a large chunk of the casual MMORPG players, so now what you're left with are the people who push it more and more hardcore.
That's why Ashes of Creation is legendary. Ive pkayed almost every MMO since 1999. Retail WoW killed what MMOs were. You guys aren't old enough to remember. Even Korean MMOs more resembled what a western audience would play. History repeats itself. Ashes and Pantheon both are old school style MMOs. You mentioned Lineage and you guys aren't playing it's Carbon copy Ashes? Come on
I disagree with the sentiment mmos are dying even tho i play mostly ragnarok to this day, at the same time i do agree about the copycat aspect to an extent. It all comes down to the players demography. Young boys will not play anything that build up as slow as mmos, even when modern mmos already have super fast progression. Way easier to find people around 30+ in an mmo than younger people, i would also add racing games (mostly simulators) and fighting games on this list. Funny enough, the fighting game community is suffering from the same MMOs do, since it also take A LOT of time to just start not being trash at the game. Getting beaten with no tomorrow is the usual learning process in these games, and younger people doesn't seem to want to deal with it, so games with team play can minimize the loss and they can grow better without this pressure those games naturally give.
nice opinions about that topic :) started playing MMOs again this year. played FFXIV and now playing ESO and I noticed its tending to more casual playing than grind play. my childhood MMO was Perfect World.
I've been playing: "New world: aeturnum" for a few weeks and it's pretty fun. Needs a bit more content, but it has a good base. Only issue is when high level guys get super confident and run past all the enemies to get to a boss just to kill it, which is super annoying. However, when they try to do the same thing in a max level dungeon, suddenly they realise if you run ahead and don't kill the enemies they get punished by dying, either by the enemies or dungeon boss. I love seeing the realisation unfold that they actually have to stick with the party and work as a team to progress. It's fun to explore, gather resources and sometimes during the grinding get the rare item to make your armor nice and strong to fight bigger event bosses.
this one is HIGHLY dependant on the game and setting/environment. There are multiple games, where this exact strategy actually IS the fastest way to do the dungeon. Take throne and liberty Halloween dungeon as an example. The time it takes to run the dungeon, by killing all the mobs vs just running past them, is night and day. killing all the mobs, generally cost you between 10-20min per run. And ppl are already tiered of running the dungeon, but the rewards are good. So you end up with the basic human pattern, shortest path of most convenience. aka path of least resistance. You do a random run, and you hate how slow it goes, and how long the dungeon takes. Then you do a premade with ppl that know how to speed run it, and you can do at least 2x the amount in the same timeframe. TIME is one of the highest factors of "high level/speedruning tactics" for dungeons and the like in ALL multiplayer games. And whenever it happens, it's almost never relay a player problem, but a design problem from the game developers side. It is also the same as why a "metagame" evolves in ALL multiplayer games, and even single player games, efficiency, timesaving and the path of least resistance. It's basic human psychology at play, that the developers of the game failed to take in to account when designing the game/content
@@gampie13 The worst was when each player kept dying over and over, they also ignored reviving the other players or healing. The first half of each high level dungeon run ends up being way longer just because people kept rushing and dying. Eventually during the second half we end up blitsing through the dungeon when we all work together, but it's super annoying to see people overestimating their ability and gear. The length of an entire proper run could be done twice over for the amount of time we did it once. I understand the strategy for lower level dungeons, but respect the level of difficulty
Was never into the korean grinder style mmos >Wow , Lotro, Rift , SWTor, Age of Conan, GW2 were the best for me. Gonna try Warhammer - Return of Reckoning server soon.
Sometime around 2010 with games like LoL releasing people realized that you simply could just login and have fun, instead of grinding for dozens or hundreds of hours preparing to have fun. That's when the classic MMOs died. And as a 40yo with less time than ever for that kind of nonsense - good riddance to that, to be honest.
Is poe considered mmoarpg? There are no dedicated 3 men 6men dungeons and raids in poe, but you can still team up with anyone to do every activity togther, it also has one of the most reliable (not the best) in game trading and every one depends on every one to get what they want through trading be it an item or currency. It also has the most sophisticated character progression skill tree, and there are almost infinite way of developing your own character and the way you play the game. The genre is still thriving imo, its the developers and the people runnning the company that put themselves in a position that garner them the worst reputions possible, which inturn destroy the image and expectations of the genre even more. We need more devs like GGG.
@@Torbarian false, there's a macro/mod/bot whatever you wanna call it that swaps your gear and uses items in inventory faster than you can do it yourself by hand giving those players a large advantage in PvP, its recently been talked about more publicly in those OSRS spaces.
@@Malinkadink That has nothing to do with RS being in the best shape it's ever been in. Pvp is dead tbh no one takes it serious not even Jagex I wouldn't be surprised if it gets curtailed out of wilderness in a few years
@@Malinkadink Also a mod being supporters by runelite and jagex are different then random "mods" scripts or other cheating programs that are not allowed
I think the genre is dying because the original premise of the genre has been lost. Why play WOW which focuses entirely on instanced PVE when you can play Destiny 2 or other games that have multiplayer PVE gameplay? The appeal of MMORPGs was that they were online roleplaying games, like D&D, but instead of having to organize a group of a handful of players and have one player act as a dungeon master, you can instead log in at any time and share that world with thousands of players with a server acting as your dungeon master. But now most MMORPGs have lost that, instead they focus on seasonal design, systems to keep players engaged to keep their metrics up. Instead of making a game players want to log in because its fun and the community makes the game dynamic, modern MMO developers focus on static worlds with daily quests, daily rewards, weekly lockouts, ect, turning their games into chores that are so demanding they're borderline second jobs. And most players just don't want that.
i miss the old classic slow pace mmo's of back in the day, but luckily i have a fix for it via private servers of the same game.. albeit adhd mode with high rates and fast forward gameplay experience
the main thing with nostalgia "of slow game back in the day", all comes down to how bad at the game you where, and how little information of the game you had at the time. slow gameplay, in ALL games, are related to lack of knowledge in 99% of all instances. It is why "metagame" evolves in all games, even single player games. It's due to efficiency, and the basic human psychology, of taking the path of least resistance
I miss mmorpgs too :') and I miss the traditional style RPGs!! I really think the new direction that video games as a whole are going in is so... Boring and sad lol 😔 but let's hope something fun comes out !!
mmos arent dying, osrs is growing, the issue is the people who went to college for game development are out of touch with the market. Dragon Age flop, etc. Started programming, modeling and animating last year and now i'm confused at why we havent seen any good games when everything is so easy and learnable. Then you see posts on social media talking about how most professional game devs only write 1-2 lines of code a week or month. Timothy Cain also talked about this, how now game dev is more like a JOB that you apply for instead of a passion you seek out and go ham at. College did this. He also talks about how lazy game devs are these days as apposed to his fallout days. Taking months to create 1 script, when he can do the same before lunch time. Its credentials and obligation vs experience and passion. Lots of game devs go to school because they want to make their own game, then they end up working full time and having no time at all to make games, or no energy from lack of working out + bad diet from not cooking meals. Giving gaming the illusion that its a prestigious field in 2024 ruined videogames, colleges did this for money. I think in a year or two the wave of Gen Z devs will get fed up with their jobs and start smaller indie studios en mass. So we're about to see another massive wave of good games 100%. There was never any reason to staff 200 people to create any video game.
Beacuse are all the same, same 2002 quest sistem, same walking fest, all items bind/bound, market is killed by their special items to unbind/unseal etc. to be able to sell, and the fact that pvp have no riscks at all, i kill somebody i dont gain nothing he dont lose nothing, zero competition, the comat are mostly select a targhet and spamm keys on keyboard so ZERO skill matter.
top no. 1 reason for me why, in a span of 20years for example, is: todays players' character (the persons behind) - are at it's "worst". Name it all: attitude, greed, mentality, spirituality, ethics - etc. So, i wouldnt be surprised - especially when developers have provided and designed mechanics that breeds the 'culture'.
you also forget the bigest factor, knowledge. speed in ALL fields of all of humanity, relates to knowledge, the more you know something, not matter the field, the faster you can do something. the old nostalgia of "slow game" relates to how little information you had of the game in relation to what you have of a game in todays world. We are in the information age, there is no putting the genie back in the bottle
i dont consider knowledge & the speed of acquiring it- a biggest factor, but rather- a "double edged tool" - still dependent/reliant on the person who has that "tool/s". i.e plant : no matter how you take care of it, if the fruit it bears is toxic, rotten and poisonous - it always bear likewise. Just how a person's character- behind the in-game character - is - regardless of external factors like 'tools'. no matter if you're a genius or a geek - if you're a shtty person behind the wheels - u will eventually fart it out or expose the smell out. Just like how the scam guilds in TNL initially started as homey / organized - structured, & very appealing rules & what nots - only to fart the smell out when a guild member had a 100k-worth Lucent drop in the guild storage.
If I had a dollar for every "MMOs are Dying" video I've seen, I could start my own MMO.
instead of making games to be fun, they started making games to make money. probably the main reason new and recent mmorpgs are terrible.
I played New World recently and I'm enjoying it a lot. The major hurdle I've come to is Discord. You join a company (guild) and nobody types in chat. It's so quiet you can hear a pin drop. When I asked several times in companies im told everyone's on discord. Why do I have to join a third party voice chat program when there's no raiding or large pvp going on? The game has voice and text chat in many different channels already... so now I have to get on discord too? That's a big issue. Maybe I don't want my personal social media presence in your guilds discord? It's not moderated like the games are and believe me it can sometimes be like the Wild West. Not comfortable.
Imo the true issue with mmos like WoW and FFXIV are the internet. 20 years ago during the days of Vanilla WoW, Star Wars Galaxies, OSRS etc etc. There were very few places to talk about builds and game mechanics, but now with guides being out left and right for every single little game feature it has now taken the adventure out of video games. Now that I think about it, same thing applies for single player games….
i've friends who google solutions at the drop of a hat. ...meanwhile last night in FFXIV someone through together a party to try and "discover" how to defeat a boss from 6 years ago. we ran that for 2 hours figuring it through trial and error and it was some of the most fun i've had in the game for years.
@@pmaestro ..or it could have been a miserable waste of time and you wish you could have optimized the run retroactively :^) you never know these days.
Oh god Ragnarok Online nostalgia hits hard, specially when you hear that protentera theme :(
Sell potion for 50z on my merchant class while afk was S-Tier memories for me T_T
@@btsan408 chilling at Pontera with my priest and random players will come to me asking for heals. haha. good memories.
When I was in pursuing my Computer Science undergrad degree from Purdue, a professor said something that has held true my entire life. "People with a passion for what they're creating will create an awesome product. Once that product becomes popular enough that people with business degrees catch wind of it, they will come and absolutely decimate anything that was good about it." The people with business degrees have destroyed the MMO genre, and they're in the process of killing the gaming industry as a whole.
It's convenient to blame the business people, just like it's convenient to blame politicians for non-game problems in society, but it isn't why MMO genre has problems.
Business people didn't force Blizzard to sketch out ideas for TBC on a napkin that included flying mounts.
MMO players waiting for the next new MMO usually waiting by playing gacha or playing some type of RPG. Which gives instant gratification mostly. Then when the MMO comes out, it feels boring compared to the previous game they were playing.
MMO's were replaced by open world gachas. MMO's are expensive to maintain. The best of them require a monthly subscription and the worst of them have a constant barrage of monetization popups. Now, the new gachas don't offer the MM, but MMO's were moving away from that game element except for endgame anyway. Leveling up became a solo effort in MMO's. Players would only gather for instances and raids. MMO's and open world gachas aren't a one-to-one trade, but it's where the market went. It's where the money currently is.
The problem I see about this is that people are fed up with so much microtransactions with literally similar games over and over again.
Fed up, but still eating them up because what else are you gonna do? 😂
Lot of mmos has been plagued by nonmmorg audiences what started demand changes to increase covinience and make overall game yourney more acessible which Is what ruined most mmos.
no what killed mmorpg was the lack of new player most of the ppl who played i nearly 2000 got something CALLED A LIFE , catering the casuals didnt kill mmorpg it saved them ffxiv endwalker expantion is proof of that.
@@anteprs7908 What truly has been killing MMOs is that they all have been trying to copy WoW with little to no substantial innovation.
Like sorry, I'm not interested in playing WoW flavored with "insert franchise", I've played it to death and I don't wanna play that again, bring back sandbox and sandpark MMOs.
@@Elrohof but most modern mmorpg arent trying to copy wow .sandbox mmorpg arent worth it unless it albion online and only for the pvp .
@@Elrohof That hasn't been the case in close to 10 years now. All the MMOs that came out in the last 8 or 9 years have been sandbox pvp MMORPGs.
There are some more recent ones that are doing pretty well. GW2, ESO, OSRS (not that recent and a re-release, but hey), Lost Ark, Throne and Liberty (this will likely change tbf), and New World. Most of these games (cept OSRS) are not hitting BIG numbers outside when they came out, but they are all well populated and receiving plenty of content so I would consider them alive personally. This video kind of reads as "I don't play this game so it must be dead"
There are some good points in this video however, alot of potential MMO players are playing games that don't require as much time to play.
I think it's because of phones. Phone games ate up a large chunk of the casual MMORPG players, so now what you're left with are the people who push it more and more hardcore.
That's why Ashes of Creation is legendary. Ive pkayed almost every MMO since 1999. Retail WoW killed what MMOs were. You guys aren't old enough to remember. Even Korean MMOs more resembled what a western audience would play.
History repeats itself. Ashes and Pantheon both are old school style MMOs.
You mentioned Lineage and you guys aren't playing it's Carbon copy Ashes? Come on
You believe in Ashes of Creation as much as I believed in Blue Protocol. The game is already dead and history will repeat itself just like you said :)
I disagree with the sentiment mmos are dying even tho i play mostly ragnarok to this day, at the same time i do agree about the copycat aspect to an extent.
It all comes down to the players demography. Young boys will not play anything that build up as slow as mmos, even when modern mmos already have super fast progression. Way easier to find people around 30+ in an mmo than younger people, i would also add racing games (mostly simulators) and fighting games on this list.
Funny enough, the fighting game community is suffering from the same MMOs do, since it also take A LOT of time to just start not being trash at the game. Getting beaten with no tomorrow is the usual learning process in these games, and younger people doesn't seem to want to deal with it, so games with team play can minimize the loss and they can grow better without this pressure those games naturally give.
Mihoyo clearly will revive the genre with their newest work project lol 😂
nice opinions about that topic :)
started playing MMOs again this year. played FFXIV and now playing ESO and I noticed its tending to more casual playing than grind play.
my childhood MMO was Perfect World.
I've been playing: "New world: aeturnum" for a few weeks and it's pretty fun. Needs a bit more content, but it has a good base.
Only issue is when high level guys get super confident and run past all the enemies to get to a boss just to kill it, which is super annoying.
However, when they try to do the same thing in a max level dungeon, suddenly they realise if you run ahead and don't kill the enemies they get punished by dying, either by the enemies or dungeon boss. I love seeing the realisation unfold that they actually have to stick with the party and work as a team to progress.
It's fun to explore, gather resources and sometimes during the grinding get the rare item to make your armor nice and strong to fight bigger event bosses.
this one is HIGHLY dependant on the game and setting/environment. There are multiple games, where this exact strategy actually IS the fastest way to do the dungeon.
Take throne and liberty Halloween dungeon as an example.
The time it takes to run the dungeon, by killing all the mobs vs just running past them, is night and day. killing all the mobs, generally cost you between 10-20min per run.
And ppl are already tiered of running the dungeon, but the rewards are good. So you end up with the basic human pattern, shortest path of most convenience.
aka path of least resistance.
You do a random run, and you hate how slow it goes, and how long the dungeon takes. Then you do a premade with ppl that know how to speed run it, and you can do at least 2x the amount in the same timeframe. TIME is one of the highest factors of "high level/speedruning tactics" for dungeons and the like in ALL multiplayer games.
And whenever it happens, it's almost never relay a player problem, but a design problem from the game developers side.
It is also the same as why a "metagame" evolves in ALL multiplayer games, and even single player games, efficiency, timesaving and the path of least resistance. It's basic human psychology at play, that the developers of the game failed to take in to account when designing the game/content
@@gampie13 The worst was when each player kept dying over and over, they also ignored reviving the other players or healing. The first half of each high level dungeon run ends up being way longer just because people kept rushing and dying.
Eventually during the second half we end up blitsing through the dungeon when we all work together, but it's super annoying to see people overestimating their ability and gear.
The length of an entire proper run could be done twice over for the amount of time we did it once.
I understand the strategy for lower level dungeons, but respect the level of difficulty
Game has had a “good base” since it came out. Thats about it.
Was never into the korean grinder style mmos >Wow , Lotro, Rift , SWTor, Age of Conan, GW2 were the best for me.
Gonna try Warhammer - Return of Reckoning server soon.
Star Wars Galaxies was the best, then WoW ruined it.
Sometime around 2010 with games like LoL releasing people realized that you simply could just login and have fun, instead of grinding for dozens or hundreds of hours preparing to have fun.
That's when the classic MMOs died. And as a 40yo with less time than ever for that kind of nonsense - good riddance to that, to be honest.
Is poe considered mmoarpg?
There are no dedicated 3 men 6men dungeons and raids in poe, but you can still team up with anyone to do every activity togther, it also has one of the most reliable (not the best) in game trading and every one depends on every one to get what they want through trading be it an item or currency.
It also has the most sophisticated character progression skill tree, and there are almost infinite way of developing your own character and the way you play the game.
The genre is still thriving imo, its the developers and the people runnning the company that put themselves in a position that garner them the worst reputions possible, which inturn destroy the image and expectations of the genre even more.
We need more devs like GGG.
Old School Runescape is at a golden age right now which shows that when you are innovating people will come and play.
Isn't there that mod that is used by gold sellers to PK and steal the gold?
@@MB-em9ek Ive never heard of such a thing maybe on some random private servers but the official servers dont have any of that.
@@Torbarian false, there's a macro/mod/bot whatever you wanna call it that swaps your gear and uses items in inventory faster than you can do it yourself by hand giving those players a large advantage in PvP, its recently been talked about more publicly in those OSRS spaces.
@@Malinkadink That has nothing to do with RS being in the best shape it's ever been in. Pvp is dead tbh no one takes it serious not even Jagex I wouldn't be surprised if it gets curtailed out of wilderness in a few years
@@Malinkadink Also a mod being supporters by runelite and jagex are different then random "mods" scripts or other cheating programs that are not allowed
Sums it up quite well
To hear almost exactly my own experiences back like this. Damn, i wasnt expecting it to hit so hard.. Ragnarok.. Terra.. Oh wow..
I think the genre is dying because the original premise of the genre has been lost. Why play WOW which focuses entirely on instanced PVE when you can play Destiny 2 or other games that have multiplayer PVE gameplay?
The appeal of MMORPGs was that they were online roleplaying games, like D&D, but instead of having to organize a group of a handful of players and have one player act as a dungeon master, you can instead log in at any time and share that world with thousands of players with a server acting as your dungeon master.
But now most MMORPGs have lost that, instead they focus on seasonal design, systems to keep players engaged to keep their metrics up. Instead of making a game players want to log in because its fun and the community makes the game dynamic, modern MMO developers focus on static worlds with daily quests, daily rewards, weekly lockouts, ect, turning their games into chores that are so demanding they're borderline second jobs. And most players just don't want that.
i miss the old classic slow pace mmo's of back in the day, but luckily i have a fix for it via private servers of the same game.. albeit adhd mode with high rates and fast forward gameplay experience
the main thing with nostalgia "of slow game back in the day", all comes down to how bad at the game you where, and how little information of the game you had at the time.
slow gameplay, in ALL games, are related to lack of knowledge in 99% of all instances. It is why "metagame" evolves in all games, even single player games. It's due to efficiency, and the basic human psychology, of taking the path of least resistance
I miss mmorpgs too :') and I miss the traditional style RPGs!! I really think the new direction that video games as a whole are going in is so... Boring and sad lol 😔 but let's hope something fun comes out !!
yes becuase grinding for 20 hour at the same spot is so much fun . you just blinded by nostalgia .
That shit about 'loophole to continue slavery' is some unhinged mentally ill nonsense. Ignore it.
mmos arent dying, osrs is growing, the issue is the people who went to college for game development are out of touch with the market.
Dragon Age flop, etc. Started programming, modeling and animating last year and now i'm confused at why we havent seen any good games when everything is so easy and learnable.
Then you see posts on social media talking about how most professional game devs only write 1-2 lines of code a week or month.
Timothy Cain also talked about this, how now game dev is more like a JOB that you apply for instead of a passion you seek out and go ham at.
College did this. He also talks about how lazy game devs are these days as apposed to his fallout days. Taking months to create 1 script, when he can do the same before lunch time.
Its credentials and obligation vs experience and passion.
Lots of game devs go to school because they want to make their own game, then they end up working full time and having no time at all to make games, or no energy from lack of working out + bad diet from not cooking meals.
Giving gaming the illusion that its a prestigious field in 2024 ruined videogames, colleges did this for money.
I think in a year or two the wave of Gen Z devs will get fed up with their jobs and start smaller indie studios en mass.
So we're about to see another massive wave of good games 100%. There was never any reason to staff 200 people to create any video game.
im sorry but osrs is so visually crap no thanks, id play a game like osrs that dont look like shit and a lot would to
@@madlinkers8595 thinking about making a rs like RPG soon with modern graphics. Just need to get the pathing figured out.
Not once ive heard OSRS 😂 Runescape is crack
because they are shit with tistic content and became heavily pay to win if you want to achieve something it wasn't like that back then
what big mmorpg is pay to win ???
@@anteprs7908if you can pay to get items instantly and cosmetics only trough swiping then its obvious pay to win buddy
Beacuse are all the same, same 2002 quest sistem, same walking fest, all items bind/bound, market is killed by their special items to unbind/unseal etc. to be able to sell, and the fact that pvp have no riscks at all, i kill somebody i dont gain nothing he dont lose nothing, zero competition, the comat are mostly select a targhet and spamm keys on keyboard so ZERO skill matter.
anna com 2 Ns, sotaque, e jogou rag? 🇧🇷 spotted
top no. 1 reason for me why, in a span of 20years for example, is: todays players' character (the persons behind) - are at it's "worst".
Name it all: attitude, greed, mentality, spirituality, ethics - etc.
So, i wouldnt be surprised - especially when developers have provided and designed mechanics that breeds the 'culture'.
you also forget the bigest factor, knowledge.
speed in ALL fields of all of humanity, relates to knowledge, the more you know something, not matter the field, the faster you can do something.
the old nostalgia of "slow game" relates to how little information you had of the game in relation to what you have of a game in todays world.
We are in the information age, there is no putting the genie back in the bottle
i dont consider knowledge & the speed of acquiring it- a biggest factor, but rather- a "double edged tool" - still dependent/reliant on the person who has that "tool/s".
i.e plant : no matter how you take care of it, if the fruit it bears is toxic, rotten and poisonous - it always bear likewise. Just how a person's character- behind the in-game character - is - regardless of external factors like 'tools'.
no matter if you're a genius or a geek - if you're a shtty person behind the wheels - u will eventually fart it out or expose the smell out. Just like how the scam guilds in TNL initially started as homey / organized - structured, & very appealing rules & what nots - only to fart the smell out when a guild member had a 100k-worth Lucent drop in the guild storage.
Try Brighter Shores.
Bcus pay to win
Great summarization spot on 🥲😭
blue protocol i dead. fo real real