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big true. f2p can't use T2 ships or mods. and meta 4 mods are more expensive than t2. Can't even use a covert ops cloak, so astero is out of the question unless you know how to insta warp through gate camps.
i've been playing it since 2010, i love the F2P option so you can get in touch with old friends and you can use isk to buy plex which can then be transferred to a sub it can be expensive now but i do believe once you get a good group around you, you can earn isk with ease. its not pay to win as i have, on many occasions kills new pilots in blingy ships because they do not understand the game mechanics.
Lost Ark did the exact same mistakes TERA did back in its days, TERA had the absolute best combat game style in any game ever, Bluehole/EnMasse got greedy with the cash shop and forgot that the game needs an actual player base and not a lottery RNG addicted crowd. I miss that game.
I had such high hopes for Lost Ark. I was playing the Russian server for a long time, even purchasing things on there. I loved it. I wanted so much for it to be here. And then I got it. Smh. I was so heavy into that from the beginning. But then I started to realize what AG was doing. And I just had to step back from the entire thing. I still miss that game, but I just can't support AG. I hate what they did with the classes and the renaming. I dislike what they were doing and which content was coming out, etc. Just wasn't the same. I did the same with Tera. I loved it and I miss it. My ninja and reaper. :(
the main reason is that GMS (Western regions server) has Reboot which is an almost entirely F2P server where everything is done with ingame currency. It was a huge deal in Korea where people spend millions of dollars on a single character, but GMS players only spent ingame currency on it so it was less of a scandal here.
Never trust Nexon. Players of First Descendent are also experiencing similar impossibly bad RNG (kill a boss 10 times more than drop chance indicates and still no drop).
EVE Online has a very large multibox problem, a significant amount of the community runs around in their own group of alt accounts via multiple paid accounts. I feel the "real player count" is misleading because the alts are not taken into account.
Lost Ark at Release was AMAZING visiting the islands with my friends and sharing on our discord about all the cool new things and talking about the game, it was enjoyable and fun combat, however as LazyPeon stated after you get near the end the repetitive grind of Chaos Dungeons and Boss Raids and such every day gets annoying and is what got me to stop playing, but for the first month or 2 of the game it was one of the most enjoyable times i've had in a game
@@christianrolls8902 Probably stems from most critizisers have no clue what they are talking about - like Peons last GW2 review, where he judged an entire expansion after playing 10% of its content - while GW2, beyond all other MMOs, is a game of varied content, not just about a single aspect. A lot of critics also come from people not being used to and understanding horizontal progression as 95% of MMOs progress vertically. You can make fair critisizm about GW2 but that rarely happens.
@@dfg12382 You shouldn't have to play 100% of the content to judge something. If the first 10% is shit, and it makes people not wanna play further, its shit.
@@theGn0rpThen by all means almost every mmo ever is shit. (Which I do agree with) Seeing as the majority of the leveling phase (far beyond 10%) is dogshit.
The Everquest TLP server Teek alone averaged over 5K concurrent users during peak daily usage for a good 3 months. It is down to about 3K now and should continue a slow decline, but indications are there will be another progression server in 2025. Combine that with the other 20 official servers and it rather easily bests Foxhole and Maplestory. It has to be at least 1.5x, possibly up to 2x.
You notice how it’s always older mmo games instead of this new gen BS we getting fed with when will gaming company’s realise old school mmo are way better
Most just rather spend time in the ones they already have progress in than the new releases that are just quick cash grabs trying to nickle & dime people
Where does this conclusion come from? The majority of the WoW playerbase is in Retail. FFXIV is not a modern themepark MMO. T&L, GW2, Lost Ark, Once Human, ESO, BDO, New World, this is already the majority of the list that is modern MMOs. Just accept you're in a niche group of people shouting the loudest that your MMOs are the best despite their triple digit playerbases.
surprised to see foxhole on the list. This game is not for everyone, but it is very fun and rewarding nonetheless. Very good community and you should find a group to tag along with if you intend to really see all aspects the game has to offer.
Many of these game have the same blindingly garish high fantasy artstyle that makes me puke. When everyone shakes shiny keys at me, it all starts to blur into one generic blob. This is why I love when MMOs have unique artstyles that are meant to convey a theme rather than encourage impulse buying.
Foxhole is the kind of MMO where the big updates are expansion sized and fundamentally change the game. The latest announcement was air combat and paradrops.
I played foxhole back in the day, it's such a brutal experience in a good way. I was trying to push towards the enemy and I ended up getting stuck in a trench because of heavy gunfire.
Lord of the Rings Online was worth a mention as well, new Legendary/ classic servers with modern 64 bit servers really increased the population density of the server. Recommended for any fan of the books and movies.
@@Redteal11 If you want they open a international server :) . People community have grow up and now french player can speak english ^^ . I'm french . Sorry for my english :)
I genuinely felt like I deserved a refund for the new world fiasco but since the relaunch I’ve actually been having a good time, almost max lvl feels like I got my moneys worth this time around.
Max level is like two small game session and then the progression of the games starts... also the game was pretty fire at launch. Most the circlejerk cpmplaints were lies. A lot of the real issue no one even talked about for many months. You have not even dabbled in the game. It offers some of the most fun pvp in all of mmos. Beats out bdo in some aspects. Make sure to get some of those thrills before putting it down. Relaunch was okay. Not much content romved at least 100 qol features. But hey console can play now. I pray the game can return to a good state in the next few months. This relaunch botched a lot of the good work ags has done in the last 3 years.
@@stonic5 You are correct. It kinda baffles me how overlooked the game is. The combat is genuinely better than 99% of things out there. Their issue is simply finding the right audience for it. It seems like theyre doing everything they can (including the console release) to find an audience. Honestly i dont really care for the skin of the game so if Amazon can put the combat system into the Lord of the rings mmo then Im sure it will succeed and keep a very good amount of players.
I used to love mmorpgs. But I've been finding it harder to get invested into such games again. Especially after playing incredible single-player games. I've started to value higher quality tailored experiences far more recently. Games like wow, destiny 2, and ff14 either feels like a waist of time or is too much of a time investment. Ff14, for example, has a 200-300 hour investment for the main story and its expansions. Not to mention everything that's in a mmo is mediocre compared to single-player games. Combat is usually not as good or not as satisfying, needless grinding. poe hits differently in this aspect and is an exception. The feeling of accomplishment is also not there anymore in these games. Not that a really feel like I need admiration from others anyway anymore, which i feel like is the main appeal of mmorpgs. Ah, maybe I'm just getting older.
3+ years playing WoW and the game seems like is growing fast. I have been picked(lucky) to help out new players during their game time and to tell you the truth i see new players every day i get on. I have been curious and asked the new players "how long you been playing WoW for? are you returning to WoW?" and to my shock most of them have never played WoW before but are so excited to be playing. Just a few hours ago i helped a new player with a quest out in the open world, this new player told me he stop playing runescape after he began playing Wow. I was surprised to hear him say this because i always hear good thing about runescape.
@@radioaktivguy8789 You're confusing style with quality. The textures and animations are pretty high quality, its just the kind of not real not cartoon style that gets people.
@mattdrifts many more. They are even improving their servers. If the LOTRO had not enough players, they wouldn't invest millions onto new server infrastructure.
If anyone wants to try new (old) MMO, give Warhammer: Return to Reckoning a go-Revived MMO by fans and approved by Games Workshop. We would appreciate new players in WvW. Edit: I think WoW Classic andys would love it.
I used to play this game back in the day and was bummed when it shut down. I remember hearing that it might be revived but didn’t realize it was already up. I’m definitely installing it today!🎉
My Three MMO im playing currently is Once Human, FFXIV and GW2 and having a great time. Going to be jumping back into SWTOR because I still love that game also!
Got back to Albion about a week ago and i just can't stop playing. The new Horizons update has THE best features ever which is called S. A. F. E portal, which basically helps you travel dangerous places without worrying about other players attacking you.
Modern mmos need to take a page out of osrs design. The progression systems in osrs feel so rewarding and progression permanence makes the game feel like you’re building something rather than on a treadmill.
lost ark was fun to me while i was levelling up the first time,but when i got to the "mechanic stuff" despite being really fun it was hard to get a party and when i got party some people where really patient and teached me the mechanics and recommended videos to learn etc but as any community i received trash talk too,anyway i just felt too overwelmed by late game contents and was told if i didn't plan expend real money i would need alt characters and farm a lot of stuff to get gold,and as someone who works and don't have much time i didn't continued,but the game was really good
I know most people won't agree with this because, for some reason, people care about what system you use to game on. However, I wish WOW would make a console version. Even if it's not cross play I'd be fine, I always loved WOW but I enjoy playing on PS5 with my friends. I've used to be a person that had both a tower and a console, but while in the military it was just easier to grab my console and take it around when I was out in the field or going to random trainings all around. My PC fell behind, and by the time I was out of the military, it was outdated. Most the friends I made online and IRL were console players as well now. So even if I wanted to build another tower, I'd be leaving many friends and that would defeat the whole reason I love to game. I play most the mmorpgs that are on PS5 and ESO is one of my favorites, but man I miss WOW. Especially watching it come back time after time with great updates. I played from the start, but fell off when you started having a base, game felt dead with people only using ques to get things done
growing up playing wow since the age of 8, starting in TBC, its crazy to watch how videos were being released every year and month it seemed saying wow is dying and its days are numbered... wow has morphed through classic and the constant expansions and hype into this giant gaming complex where people simply rotate within its gaming structure. it's impressive in a sad way.
After 12 years of playing some of the most obscure mmorpgs on the side (Eldevin, Villagers & Heroes, LOONG Dragonbloood, R.O.H.A.N.: Blood Feud, Karos online, etc... and checking out most of the fantasy mmorpgs, I have now settled for...well...LOTRO and World of Warcraft; because I want "my" servers/games up and running 12 years from now 🤫
Another popular MMO who's going out on 3.0 with 350k player who wants to play on the new servers is DOFUS who is going to be out on 12/03. It's an old (20y) and very unique mmo
@@Tatuzka It's the perfect moment to start since new servers will open for 3.0 (international ones included). You will find any type of guide you want and the game is not that obscur
@@SyranosTV When you say new servers does that mean, if i were to start today i'd lose all of my progress when the new servers come out? And should i play on a new server or an old one? Sorry for all of these questions
You missed a niche one : Dofus, 20 years old turn based MMO is realeasing a big visual update on the 3rd of December with new servers with approx 360k pre-registration. (Free to play early game on some servers, else it's 5€ / month ) Worth the try, hope you enjoy, have a good day !💟
I started a new normal character on RS3 after playing OSRS for about a month... both games are great but some skilling features in RS3 ultimately won me over. I set restrictions on myself, such as not buying from the GE and doing the quests in Timeline order. It has been a blast so far. I might try ironman in the future if I ever feel like starting over.
Argos release was handled terribly one month into the game and that’s what culled the playerbase by 80%. Most other raids weren’t 1/10th as bad as Argos. Just a month after Argos Valtan was easy to reach and so was Vykas, and Kakul saydon. If Argos was handled better we would’ve had hundreds of thousands more players actually trying out the first real raid, but sadly most quit before even truly experiencing the game. We would’ve definitely lost more players at Kakul and Brelshaza release cause those 2 raids were too hardcore for casual players, but at least they would’ve experienced the game and realizing they’re not good enough vs the game robbing them of that experience cause of poor management.
I’ve played many of the same mmo’s as you, one that captured my attention for awhile was trove don’t think you have covered it. I don’t play it anymore but worth covering once you get into end game it’s decent
FFXI is estimated to have about 30k subscribers. Has about 10k concurrent players across all its retail servers at any given time, and according to ffxiah website 98k active characters using the auction house despite it not being a huge alt friendly game. its 23 years old, getts almost no recognition from the mainstream mmo community and constantly going on and off maintanance mode. Yet looking at these player numbers in this list i think it could be somewhere in the top 10
I'm very interested in once human, because I've been saying for a long time that a seasonal MMO is the way to go, though a reset every few weeks is way too fast. Imagine an mmo like runescape with modern graphics and more action combat with lots of skills/professions that are quite a bit less grindy because it would reset every 3 months. Just a pure dopamine farm.
Highly recommend Once Human as someone that has played mmos and survival games most of their life. It's crazy how well polished the game is when everything in this damn genre is early access and it's just great considering it's a free game. There's a ridiculous amount of stuff in the cash shop but they're all just fancy cosmetics, it really does feel like Warframe with how the pay model is structured. The wipes aren't that big of a deal since you can just transfer a lot of stuff to the new character and the reset is every 6 weeks. Also the game allows you to save a template for your house that will just copy EVERYTHING, so you can just build it again in one click, which I found amazing. If you like survival games, I'd put it around the same level as current Conan Exiles but way more polished even after all these years.
I'm on my 4th season rn, January will be big update with another added map added, wheres the lore of how everything happend is explained. Its a very pop on- off game and does not require you to be online 24/7.
@@dannyv233 too repetitive no thanks, might be good for you but deffiently not for the majority, plus it also forces unhealthy Grinding ever few weeks/months and I don't see it being a big thing ever
reset is every 6 phases ( with each phase lasting a week, so 6 weeks) not every few weeks. It used to be every 4 weeks but was changed due to players asking for longer time between resets
@@God-1111 yeah see i like having a connection to my character, knowing its going to be around for as long as me, and that i can leave and come back to it anytime. and if eel like most mmorpg players would be the same
ESO still remains one of my favorite MMORPG's, and it's super easy to get into. Especially with the world now being totally open to all three factions, and if you know what you're doing. You can easily cash in on 100k gold on your first day. Not to mention the gold you'd earn getting to that hundo thou, you'd probably be closer to 250k on your first day. Which is a decent little pile of starting gold. Leveling up skills is as easy as using them, morphing them, and maxing them out. Races are varied, and factions only affect where you start and which said of the cyrodiil you'd fight for. Magic builds are better for AOE damage, while Stamina is more centered on Single Target, but both can touch into the other pretty well. As long as you read your skills, and build your character accordingly, you wont have a problem. Smithing is a painstakingly long process, and building a guild with randoms that refuse to join a discord sucks. The community is generally pretty helpful, but you still get the occasional ALT F4 troll, or someone who spreads misinformation. Finally, if you just go from quest to quest, completing each zone to 100%, there is literally nothing to miss. You can also download add-ons to give yourself a minimap, and some add-ons that just show where all the hidden objects are like skyshards and lore books [which are required to level up the mages guild]. Overall, the game is expansive, still has a reasonably large player base, and PVP is incredibly fun. Though you will run into a ton of meta builds, even in low level.
I agree with you on Lost Ark, I love the combat and how impactful the spells and abilities feel. I was a founder and played for a few months before the end game content felt bland and i stopped playing. I've played EQ, WoW, GW2, Rift, and a host of other MMOs and Lost Ark is by far the hardest to get back into. It was so frustrating that after a week of trying I jus uninstalled and walked away. I feel that might be a big reason why it fell off so hard, MMOs count on people giving it another go after a break, but with Lost Ark, you give up before you give it a proper go.
I think one of the many reasons are, that you are limited by daily limit of grind progression. when you take a break, you don't feel like coming back because you can't "catch up" in a normal MMO way. rather you know that you will always be behind because of daily progression limits
SWTOR was so much fun. I can't remember why I stopped playing. Lately I've been playing Diablo 4 and am looking forward to Path of Exile 2 and eventually Ashes of Creation. I was a part of both the Lost Ark and New World fall offs. Both were impressive for unique reasons, but had issues that limited the overall experience, for example New World's combat. I did try BDO, ESO, and T&L, but did not personally enjoy them.
Lost Ark isn't going to get any major western focused updates because the game is doing well in Korea. The game keeps getting better and better but the style is not changing.
that phone game app from the beginning , i knew it felt familiar , its got the same devs as Ulala adventure , an idle game i loved playing back when i barely had time to play games
Why no one has tried a Warhammer MMO since Warhammer Online is sincerely a mystery to me. Particularly with the success of the Total War Warhammer series which has introduced a tremendous number of people to the setting.
SWTOR also getting a remaster soon as well. 👌 (Hopefully more content in the future, but at least everything will look up to date with graphics. 🤷♂️ lol) Also...As far as ESO goes...I'm lowkey surprised yet NOT surprised in a way. 🤔 (I played for 7 1/2 years just about. I really only played pvp and did pve when I had to acquire new gear FOR pvp. Or level up a character lol) I will definitely say though that the gameplay shown didn't quite do it justice lol (I promise it looks better than that in many ways as you progress and perhaps use a much more...zoomed out camera angle?...No you don't have to play THAT zoomed in lol) The overall mechanics are still among the best if not THEE best i've ever came in touch with. The capabilities of what you can do pvp/pve wise isn't really limited in most cases to just 'gear' and numbers. Can you solo a dungeon? Sure. Do you need to be in a ball group? (Aka ZERG...I very much hated the zerglings as we called them, btw lol) NO...If skilled enough, (Which is something I really appreciate about ESO) you can fight other players outnumbered and come out on top. (Aka 1vX'ing) I've seen many 1vX's occur where one GOOD player just absolutely 💩 on 5+ bad players despite gear difference because that good player had 'skill'. The gear didn't matter or the fact they were outnumbered. (I feel that's what most MMORPGs lack is giving the solo players a fair shake instead of immediately having to die because, "Oh, you're outnumbered." "They have better gear..." Well guess what...NOT how ESO works. 🤷♂️ You either upgrade your personal skill/reaction timing, combined with knowledge of the game...Or you're gonna get 💩 on still. Especially if someone is better lol Up to you really. 👌💯)
after all these years we come back to the point that Wow is still the king of this genre. even tho i dont play it anymore im so happy to have those memories.
I became a totally new Wow player this year, never played it before and I'm having much fun, starting with Classic Expansions. I played Throne and Liberty before that and was dissapointed by it bc I was expecting it be like Lost Ark in 2020...
i am going to tell u honestly albion is not worth trying unless u have friends to play with. if u wanna a play albion solo, u will have literally nothing to do in that game other than gathering ( talking as a veteran who only plays albion online.
In my opinion, the Lost Ark placement is perfect. Lost Ark feels the least like an MMO in the endgame. Therefore, a well-chosen placement in my opinion
Throne and liberty is actually a very good game specially if you're PVP enjoyer , it still lacks a a lot when it comes to PVE and the combat system is meh , but it has a lot of room for improvements and the devs are listening and making some changes . But to be honest unless it fixes it's core issues , by the end of next 2025 Q1 it will lose most of it's player base .
As an adult with a kid on the way. I’d love to see more casual mmo’s on the rise. Maybe even with mobile clients. I’m debating on starting Albion or OSRS.
just a comment, but if you like casual, OSRS is quite grindy IMO, most skills and levelling is manual and will require your attention to a certain extent. So, if you want something more casual friendly, that you can AFK a little bit to tend to family, then RS3 is better in that regard.
Albion Online allows you to play at your own pace, I have started playing it solo casually, solo competitively then moved into guild/small scale content. You will enjoy it more if you enjoy PVP a little.
OSRS if you want to have fun while skilling up everything with lots of people there it just will take you probably YEARS to fully finish if you don't get Premium, but still enjoyable PVE and skilling game which also has PVP if you're interested.. and Albion solo is kind of weird but if you like to gather things like Animal Hide and make it to leather and then to armor and make money out of it, then it's pretty nice, thought you have to be careful not to enter PVP zones I play mostly Albion now solo, I like to gather things and make money, and someday to make good armor to sell or even weapons, whatever you like! OSRS only when I want a break from Albion since OSRS won't go anywhere, you can continue even after 4-5 or even more years, and it's very welcoming
I will never understand how people can play a game like Black Desert online without any clear goals except "grind" and claim it's fun. I have tried the game so many times but it just doesn't click for me :c
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bruh, Foxhole has 1mil vs 1mil players
Foxhole was enjoyable. Now I'm looking forward to the medieval version of it with Anvil Empires whenever it releases.
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I really hope to see you play Dofus one day
Corepunk came out few days ago, will there be video?
EVE Online is not F2P, it more like unlimited trial with a subscription.
big true. f2p can't use T2 ships or mods. and meta 4 mods are more expensive than t2. Can't even use a covert ops cloak, so astero is out of the question unless you know how to insta warp through gate camps.
i've been playing it since 2010, i love the F2P option so you can get in touch with old friends and you can use isk to buy plex which can then be transferred to a sub it can be expensive now but i do believe once you get a good group around you, you can earn isk with ease. its not pay to win as i have, on many occasions kills new pilots in blingy ships because they do not understand the game mechanics.
@@travonus90 the juiciest blops target is a new player trying to gate his new carrier to high sec with a miner 1 and salvager in the high slots
same goes for Albion Online
Lost Ark did the exact same mistakes TERA did back in its days, TERA had the absolute best combat game style in any game ever, Bluehole/EnMasse got greedy with the cash shop and forgot that the game needs an actual player base and not a lottery RNG addicted crowd. I miss that game.
Tera was fantastic! We'll never get another game like it. I tried it the other day on playstation, and it just wasn't the same :(
I had such high hopes for Lost Ark. I was playing the Russian server for a long time, even purchasing things on there. I loved it. I wanted so much for it to be here.
And then I got it. Smh. I was so heavy into that from the beginning. But then I started to realize what AG was doing. And I just had to step back from the entire thing. I still miss that game, but I just can't support AG. I hate what they did with the classes and the renaming. I dislike what they were doing and which content was coming out, etc.
Just wasn't the same.
I did the same with Tera. I loved it and I miss it. My ninja and reaper. :(
Same with NCSofts AION.
It is so so sad how much these publishers just absolutely destroy these games for greed
Hot take: Tera is STILL better than the garbage Lost Ark is.
I'm surprised that maplestory is still so popular since they got caught selling a lootbox that contained something impossible to get.
Nexon actually makes some pretty good games. It is just a shame that they are so predatory.
Probably because that grift was just plain unsurprising considering their cash shop has always been awful.
@@davevang893 lol.
the main reason is that GMS (Western regions server) has Reboot which is an almost entirely F2P server where everything is done with ingame currency. It was a huge deal in Korea where people spend millions of dollars on a single character, but GMS players only spent ingame currency on it so it was less of a scandal here.
Never trust Nexon.
Players of First Descendent are also experiencing similar impossibly bad RNG (kill a boss 10 times more than drop chance indicates and still no drop).
EVE Online has a very large multibox problem, a significant amount of the community runs around in their own group of alt accounts via multiple paid accounts. I feel the "real player count" is misleading because the alts are not taken into account.
OSRS will always be my go to - glad to see it’s recently been rising.
It’s such a good mmorpg and leagues has been great so far
Josh Strife Hayes now has to update his GigaChart
I’m so excited for that video
this is not top 10 list
@@managers6667 why are you anti-society
"This list will be outdated the instant it is uploaded"
Silly title. You from the future or something bro 😂
HE IS FROM THE FUTURE!
Are you from the past?
Its probably weirdly clever getting the youtube algorithm going before 2025?
He has time machine
He's making a prediction.
With those shiny teeth he must be.
Lost Ark at Release was AMAZING visiting the islands with my friends and sharing on our discord about all the cool new things and talking about the game, it was enjoyable and fun combat, however as LazyPeon stated after you get near the end the repetitive grind of Chaos Dungeons and Boss Raids and such every day gets annoying and is what got me to stop playing, but for the first month or 2 of the game it was one of the most enjoyable times i've had in a game
Guild Wars 2: 6:40
To all the comments saying "no gw2" clearly didn't watch the video and just looked at the time stamps.
i enjoy gw2 but my god the community goes out of there way to downvote any video that talks about it in a bad way or just giving it criticism
@@christianrolls8902 Probably stems from most critizisers have no clue what they are talking about - like Peons last GW2 review, where he judged an entire expansion after playing 10% of its content - while GW2, beyond all other MMOs, is a game of varied content, not just about a single aspect. A lot of critics also come from people not being used to and understanding horizontal progression as 95% of MMOs progress vertically. You can make fair critisizm about GW2 but that rarely happens.
Indeed.
@@dfg12382 You shouldn't have to play 100% of the content to judge something. If the first 10% is shit, and it makes people not wanna play further, its shit.
@@theGn0rpThen by all means almost every mmo ever is shit. (Which I do agree with) Seeing as the majority of the leveling phase (far beyond 10%) is dogshit.
The Everquest TLP server Teek alone averaged over 5K concurrent users during peak daily usage for a good 3 months. It is down to about 3K now and should continue a slow decline, but indications are there will be another progression server in 2025.
Combine that with the other 20 official servers and it rather easily bests Foxhole and Maplestory. It has to be at least 1.5x, possibly up to 2x.
You notice how it’s always older mmo games instead of this new gen BS we getting fed with when will gaming company’s realise old school mmo are way better
Most just rather spend time in the ones they already have progress in than the new releases that are just quick cash grabs trying to nickle & dime people
Where does this conclusion come from? The majority of the WoW playerbase is in Retail. FFXIV is not a modern themepark MMO. T&L, GW2, Lost Ark, Once Human, ESO, BDO, New World, this is already the majority of the list that is modern MMOs. Just accept you're in a niche group of people shouting the loudest that your MMOs are the best despite their triple digit playerbases.
Oh I get it I hurt a p2w fanboys feelings 🤣 you just listed a few mmo that are either p2w or niche too
surprised to see foxhole on the list. This game is not for everyone, but it is very fun and rewarding nonetheless. Very good community and you should find a group to tag along with if you intend to really see all aspects the game has to offer.
Seeing Maple Story still running is so nice, since i played it as a Kid alot.
Guild Wars 2, TESO and New World are the best overall on this list for me personally I just wish all 3 had more players because they deserve it
Many of these game have the same blindingly garish high fantasy artstyle that makes me puke. When everyone shakes shiny keys at me, it all starts to blur into one generic blob. This is why I love when MMOs have unique artstyles that are meant to convey a theme rather than encourage impulse buying.
Eve is legitimately gorgeous imo
Albion online
ive never considered new world high fantasy and its only impulse buying technique was being tied to Amazon at the launch
anarchy online, and i agree
Foxhole is the kind of MMO where the big updates are expansion sized and fundamentally change the game. The latest announcement was air combat and paradrops.
Def wanna check out Foxhole!
I played foxhole back in the day, it's such a brutal experience in a good way. I was trying to push towards the enemy and I ended up getting stuck in a trench because of heavy gunfire.
This video made me get foxhole just now
Lord of the Rings Online was worth a mention as well, new Legendary/ classic servers with modern 64 bit servers really increased the population density of the server. Recommended for any fan of the books and movies.
Wish it was on xbox series!
I was wondering about this. Man, i wish it would come to console. That and GW2 would destroy my console library if they ever got ported.
Yeah, Lotro is amazing. It definitely is the apex MMO when it comes to questing/story/exploration and size.
I was just coming to say this. LOTRO 100% deserves to be on this list. The 64 bit servers are amazing.
Just tried it two weeks ago actually, sadly I found the game very dated and clunky. Even the UI is really low res :(
Did you tried Dofus? They are realising Dofus Unity on 3 December, could be great to get a video on it!
No way dofus unity is coming out soon. I hate their currency buying system but it’s been a game I’ve come back to for over 13 years
@@SamahLama It's litteraly coming out in a few days mate
How's the monoaccount server health? Last time I checked it was only french ppl refusing to speak english.
Would love a video about it!
@@Redteal11 If you want they open a international server :) . People community have grow up and now french player can speak english ^^ . I'm french . Sorry for my english :)
everquest theme during the intro brought a tear to my eye... 🥲
I genuinely felt like I deserved a refund for the new world fiasco but since the relaunch I’ve actually been having a good time, almost max lvl feels like I got my moneys worth this time around.
Max level is like two small game session and then the progression of the games starts... also the game was pretty fire at launch. Most the circlejerk cpmplaints were lies. A lot of the real issue no one even talked about for many months.
You have not even dabbled in the game. It offers some of the most fun pvp in all of mmos. Beats out bdo in some aspects. Make sure to get some of those thrills before putting it down.
Relaunch was okay. Not much content romved at least 100 qol features. But hey console can play now.
I pray the game can return to a good state in the next few months. This relaunch botched a lot of the good work ags has done in the last 3 years.
@@stonic5 You are correct. It kinda baffles me how overlooked the game is. The combat is genuinely better than 99% of things out there. Their issue is simply finding the right audience for it. It seems like theyre doing everything they can (including the console release) to find an audience.
Honestly i dont really care for the skin of the game so if Amazon can put the combat system into the Lord of the rings mmo then Im sure it will succeed and keep a very good amount of players.
I used to love mmorpgs. But I've been finding it harder to get invested into such games again. Especially after playing incredible single-player games. I've started to value higher quality tailored experiences far more recently. Games like wow, destiny 2, and ff14 either feels like a waist of time or is too much of a time investment. Ff14, for example, has a 200-300 hour investment for the main story and its expansions.
Not to mention everything that's in a mmo is mediocre compared to single-player games. Combat is usually not as good or not as satisfying, needless grinding. poe hits differently in this aspect and is an exception. The feeling of accomplishment is also not there anymore in these games. Not that a really feel like I need admiration from others anyway anymore, which i feel like is the main appeal of mmorpgs.
Ah, maybe I'm just getting older.
Relatable, friend. 🎉😅
I feel like the only upside with MMO compared to single games is the multiplayer aspect and it can be rough if you play it solo
They just don’t respect our time. Daily quests and weekly quests killed throne and liberty for me.
I’m simply done but I put over 550 hours.
I don't understand how people enjoy ff14 MSQ, I want to get into a mmo but I won't wish this MSQ upon my greatest enemy.
Same honestly. I spent years on RS2 and later SWTOR but now the thought of getting into another mmo is practically repulsive
Foxhole has such a steep learning curve... maybe I should try it again. The seasonal aspect of Once Human tuned me away.
i think everyone who has played can agree, but that’s why the game is so loved by us veterans. community is extremely helpful if you just ask :)
Love to see OSRS continuing to grow. I think we hit over 200k concurrent just the other day with the Leagues V launch.
The game is simply timeless
maybe even more, when Project Zanaris releases. Official Community Private servers of OSRS
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I got lazy and botted last 3 months and got my 2100ttl gim banned. Deciding weather I start a new ironman. Been enjoying poe2
3+ years playing WoW and the game seems like is growing fast. I have been picked(lucky) to help out new players during their game time and to tell you the truth i see new players every day i get on. I have been curious and asked the new players "how long you been playing WoW for? are you returning to WoW?" and to my shock most of them have never played WoW before but are so excited to be playing. Just a few hours ago i helped a new player with a quest out in the open world, this new player told me he stop playing runescape after he began playing Wow. I was surprised to hear him say this because i always hear good thing about runescape.
Wow graphics is meh for me. However i loved playing Warcraft back in the days
@@radioaktivguy8789 You sound just like me 3+ years ago when I first began WoW lol. Now these graphics are amazing to me.
@@radioaktivguy8789 You're confusing style with quality. The textures and animations are pretty high quality, its just the kind of not real not cartoon style that gets people.
Lotro should be there. A great MMO and stable population
A stable 150 players?
@mattdrifts many more. They are even improving their servers. If the LOTRO had not enough players, they wouldn't invest millions onto new server infrastructure.
lol hearing new world music when swtor is being talked about was pretty funny xD
If anyone wants to try new (old) MMO, give Warhammer: Return to Reckoning a go-Revived MMO by fans and approved by Games Workshop. We would appreciate new players in WvW.
Edit: I think WoW Classic andys would love it.
I have been thinking about it. It looks good and very old school which I like
Oooo I’m gonna download this later. Been looking for a new mmo and never played warhammer. FFXI and GW2 veteran here
Wish it was on xbox series... Maybe I'll come back if I manage to get my old computer linked to the tv because I really love Warhammer online!
I used to play this game back in the day and was bummed when it shut down. I remember hearing that it might be revived but didn’t realize it was already up. I’m definitely installing it today!🎉
@@adaman8423 I have been playing it for two weeks now and I am addicted. Its kind of my buffer game until PoE release.
Seems to be about 36k players on Ashes playing every weekend. One server alone has a guild of 2k players. Thank for the list, love your content.
My Three MMO im playing currently is Once Human, FFXIV and GW2 and having a great time. Going to be jumping back into SWTOR because I still love that game also!
I've been waiting for another Video. Welcome back 🙏
Got back to Albion about a week ago and i just can't stop playing. The new Horizons update has THE best features ever which is called S. A. F. E portal, which basically helps you travel dangerous places without worrying about other players attacking you.
You turned into a straight up stud, great work amigo!
Modern mmos need to take a page out of osrs design. The progression systems in osrs feel so rewarding and progression permanence makes the game feel like you’re building something rather than on a treadmill.
lost ark was fun to me while i was levelling up the first time,but when i got to the "mechanic stuff" despite being really fun it was hard to get a party and when i got party some people where really patient and teached me the mechanics and recommended videos to learn etc but as any community i received trash talk too,anyway i just felt too overwelmed by late game contents and was told if i didn't plan expend real money i would need alt characters and farm a lot of stuff to get gold,and as someone who works and don't have much time i didn't continued,but the game was really good
I know most people won't agree with this because, for some reason, people care about what system you use to game on. However, I wish WOW would make a console version. Even if it's not cross play I'd be fine, I always loved WOW but I enjoy playing on PS5 with my friends. I've used to be a person that had both a tower and a console, but while in the military it was just easier to grab my console and take it around when I was out in the field or going to random trainings all around. My PC fell behind, and by the time I was out of the military, it was outdated. Most the friends I made online and IRL were console players as well now. So even if I wanted to build another tower, I'd be leaving many friends and that would defeat the whole reason I love to game. I play most the mmorpgs that are on PS5 and ESO is one of my favorites, but man I miss WOW. Especially watching it come back time after time with great updates. I played from the start, but fell off when you started having a base, game felt dead with people only using ques to get things done
growing up playing wow since the age of 8, starting in TBC, its crazy to watch how videos were being released every year and month it seemed saying wow is dying and its days are numbered... wow has morphed through classic and the constant expansions and hype into this giant gaming complex where people simply rotate within its gaming structure. it's impressive in a sad way.
After 12 years of playing some of the most obscure mmorpgs on the side (Eldevin, Villagers & Heroes, LOONG Dragonbloood, R.O.H.A.N.: Blood Feud, Karos online, etc... and checking out most of the fantasy mmorpgs, I have now settled for...well...LOTRO and World of Warcraft; because I want "my" servers/games up and running 12 years from now 🤫
dmo and dmw and warframe should be on the list.
Another popular MMO who's going out on 3.0 with 350k player who wants to play on the new servers is DOFUS who is going to be out on 12/03. It's an old (20y) and very unique mmo
I agree DOFUS is an amazing turn by turn MMORPGG and the in-game economy system is so unique, plus the game have no pay to win.
i was about to comment the same comment bro dofus is so underrated compared to some games in this video
Is DOFUS worth getting into as a completely new player as of now? How overwhelmed would i be as a totally new player in the game?
@@Tatuzka It's the perfect moment to start since new servers will open for 3.0 (international ones included). You will find any type of guide you want and the game is not that obscur
@@SyranosTV When you say new servers does that mean, if i were to start today i'd lose all of my progress when the new servers come out? And should i play on a new server or an old one?
Sorry for all of these questions
Do you use new world music in the background lol. As a new world this is lovely
You missed a niche one : Dofus, 20 years old turn based MMO is realeasing a big visual update on the 3rd of December with new servers with approx 360k pre-registration.
(Free to play early game on some servers, else it's 5€ / month ) Worth the try, hope you enjoy, have a good day !💟
You know I feel MMO genre isn’t as bad as it was a little bit ago but I still feel like there’s so much more that can be achieved. I love MMOs 🙂
I started a new normal character on RS3 after playing OSRS for about a month... both games are great but some skilling features in RS3 ultimately won me over. I set restrictions on myself, such as not buying from the GE and doing the quests in Timeline order. It has been a blast so far. I might try ironman in the future if I ever feel like starting over.
@@tsykez2939 shoulda just went iron man to begin with if you gonna restrict yourself to no ge anyway
0:54 yeah, no.
Lost Ark lost many due to the limits it puts on players. Never limit your players for everything and don't FORCE them to do anything if possible.
Argos release was handled terribly one month into the game and that’s what culled the playerbase by 80%. Most other raids weren’t 1/10th as bad as Argos. Just a month after Argos Valtan was easy to reach and so was Vykas, and Kakul saydon. If Argos was handled better we would’ve had hundreds of thousands more players actually trying out the first real raid, but sadly most quit before even truly experiencing the game. We would’ve definitely lost more players at Kakul and Brelshaza release cause those 2 raids were too hardcore for casual players, but at least they would’ve experienced the game and realizing they’re not good enough vs the game robbing them of that experience cause of poor management.
@@photograhy the game is pay to win garbage.
I’ve played many of the same mmo’s as you, one that captured my attention for awhile was trove don’t think you have covered it. I don’t play it anymore but worth covering once you get into end game it’s decent
FFXI is estimated to have about 30k subscribers. Has about 10k concurrent players across all its retail servers at any given time, and according to ffxiah website 98k active characters using the auction house despite it not being a huge alt friendly game. its 23 years old, getts almost no recognition from the mainstream mmo community and constantly going on and off maintanance mode. Yet looking at these player numbers in this list i think it could be somewhere in the top 10
Good Info TY!
Foxhole mention let’s gooo!!! i’ve got 4k hours since release, we’ve got a great community over here give it a shot!
I haven't watched lazypeon in years and he's fit as shit now. hell yeah brother
Thumbnail 100% got me
Nice Content. Hope the Maui Thaai is going well
The New World music in the back ground threw me off... thought i opened it on accident lol
Cool that you had the EQ music for the intro.
poggers my clip made it into a lazypeon vid 😱
You left off EQ. I know it's hard to get the numbers, but last posted by Dark Paw it's ~60k paid +20k free to play accounts.
I'm very interested in once human, because I've been saying for a long time that a seasonal MMO is the way to go, though a reset every few weeks is way too fast. Imagine an mmo like runescape with modern graphics and more action combat with lots of skills/professions that are quite a bit less grindy because it would reset every 3 months. Just a pure dopamine farm.
Highly recommend Once Human as someone that has played mmos and survival games most of their life. It's crazy how well polished the game is when everything in this damn genre is early access and it's just great considering it's a free game. There's a ridiculous amount of stuff in the cash shop but they're all just fancy cosmetics, it really does feel like Warframe with how the pay model is structured. The wipes aren't that big of a deal since you can just transfer a lot of stuff to the new character and the reset is every 6 weeks.
Also the game allows you to save a template for your house that will just copy EVERYTHING, so you can just build it again in one click, which I found amazing. If you like survival games, I'd put it around the same level as current Conan Exiles but way more polished even after all these years.
I'm on my 4th season rn, January will be big update with another added map added, wheres the lore of how everything happend is explained. Its a very pop on- off game and does not require you to be online 24/7.
@@dannyv233 too repetitive no thanks, might be good for you but deffiently not for the majority, plus it also forces unhealthy Grinding ever few weeks/months and I don't see it being a big thing ever
reset is every 6 phases ( with each phase lasting a week, so 6 weeks) not every few weeks. It used to be every 4 weeks but was changed due to players asking for longer time between resets
@@God-1111 yeah see i like having a connection to my character, knowing its going to be around for as long as me, and that i can leave and come back to it anytime. and if eel like most mmorpg players would be the same
Am I the only one that noticed the fairtex shirt. Bro is a straight weapon 💪🏽
Damn for a moment I forgot it's 2024 😂😂
I thought I was indeed 2025 😂😂
ESO still remains one of my favorite MMORPG's, and it's super easy to get into. Especially with the world now being totally open to all three factions, and if you know what you're doing. You can easily cash in on 100k gold on your first day. Not to mention the gold you'd earn getting to that hundo thou, you'd probably be closer to 250k on your first day. Which is a decent little pile of starting gold. Leveling up skills is as easy as using them, morphing them, and maxing them out. Races are varied, and factions only affect where you start and which said of the cyrodiil you'd fight for. Magic builds are better for AOE damage, while Stamina is more centered on Single Target, but both can touch into the other pretty well. As long as you read your skills, and build your character accordingly, you wont have a problem. Smithing is a painstakingly long process, and building a guild with randoms that refuse to join a discord sucks. The community is generally pretty helpful, but you still get the occasional ALT F4 troll, or someone who spreads misinformation. Finally, if you just go from quest to quest, completing each zone to 100%, there is literally nothing to miss. You can also download add-ons to give yourself a minimap, and some add-ons that just show where all the hidden objects are like skyshards and lore books [which are required to level up the mages guild]. Overall, the game is expansive, still has a reasonably large player base, and PVP is incredibly fun. Though you will run into a ton of meta builds, even in low level.
13:37 runtime, I see what you did there Peon!
ESO is selling the newest Gold Road expansion for less tha $15!!!! Which also gives you the rest of the expansions that came before it.
Peon edit video pls ! people already going nutz not seeing GW2 on the list ! which is in number 9 (6.39) after New World in the same video cut . :D
fixed it lol
God do i wish Corepunk would one day be good enough take a spot on a list like this...
I agree with you on Lost Ark, I love the combat and how impactful the spells and abilities feel. I was a founder and played for a few months before the end game content felt bland and i stopped playing. I've played EQ, WoW, GW2, Rift, and a host of other MMOs and Lost Ark is by far the hardest to get back into. It was so frustrating that after a week of trying I jus uninstalled and walked away. I feel that might be a big reason why it fell off so hard, MMOs count on people giving it another go after a break, but with Lost Ark, you give up before you give it a proper go.
I think one of the many reasons are, that you are limited by daily limit of grind progression. when you take a break, you don't feel like coming back because you can't "catch up" in a normal MMO way. rather you know that you will always be behind because of daily progression limits
I absolutely love the PvP in Lost Ark but the queues are 10 seconds to 60 minutes long
SWTOR was so much fun. I can't remember why I stopped playing. Lately I've been playing Diablo 4 and am looking forward to Path of Exile 2 and eventually Ashes of Creation. I was a part of both the Lost Ark and New World fall offs. Both were impressive for unique reasons, but had issues that limited the overall experience, for example New World's combat. I did try BDO, ESO, and T&L, but did not personally enjoy them.
Lost Ark isn't going to get any major western focused updates because the game is doing well in Korea. The game keeps getting better and better but the style is not changing.
that phone game app from the beginning , i knew it felt familiar , its got the same devs as Ulala adventure , an idle game i loved playing back when i barely had time to play games
LazyPeon looks so different now :O it’s throwing me off
been playing maplestory for 18 years and i can tell the game is never dead
Why no one has tried a Warhammer MMO since Warhammer Online is sincerely a mystery to me. Particularly with the success of the Total War Warhammer series which has introduced a tremendous number of people to the setting.
SWTOR also getting a remaster soon as well. 👌 (Hopefully more content in the future, but at least everything will look up to date with graphics. 🤷♂️ lol)
Also...As far as ESO goes...I'm lowkey surprised yet NOT surprised in a way. 🤔 (I played for 7 1/2 years just about. I really only played pvp and did pve when I had to acquire new gear FOR pvp. Or level up a character lol)
I will definitely say though that the gameplay shown didn't quite do it justice lol (I promise it looks better than that in many ways as you progress and perhaps use a much more...zoomed out camera angle?...No you don't have to play THAT zoomed in lol) The overall mechanics are still among the best if not THEE best i've ever came in touch with. The capabilities of what you can do pvp/pve wise isn't really limited in most cases to just 'gear' and numbers. Can you solo a dungeon? Sure. Do you need to be in a ball group? (Aka ZERG...I very much hated the zerglings as we called them, btw lol) NO...If skilled enough, (Which is something I really appreciate about ESO) you can fight other players outnumbered and come out on top. (Aka 1vX'ing) I've seen many 1vX's occur where one GOOD player just absolutely 💩 on 5+ bad players despite gear difference because that good player had 'skill'. The gear didn't matter or the fact they were outnumbered. (I feel that's what most MMORPGs lack is giving the solo players a fair shake instead of immediately having to die because, "Oh, you're outnumbered." "They have better gear..." Well guess what...NOT how ESO works. 🤷♂️ You either upgrade your personal skill/reaction timing, combined with knowledge of the game...Or you're gonna get 💩 on still. Especially if someone is better lol Up to you really. 👌💯)
im playing osrs while watching this video lol
after all these years we come back to the point that Wow is still the king of this genre. even tho i dont play it anymore im so happy to have those memories.
Wow Wrath of the Litch King private server Warmane is massively overflooded right now so. It's an MMO still :P So it counts
I think Star Trek Online absolutely should be on the list. I havent played it in years but it feels like it always has a solid playerbase.
people play thorne and liberty?! I booted it up but was turned off by the movement, doesn't play right for me. I am amazed people like it....
I became a totally new Wow player this year, never played it before and I'm having much fun, starting with Classic Expansions. I played Throne and Liberty before that and was dissapointed by it bc I was expecting it be like Lost Ark in 2020...
i am going to tell u honestly albion is not worth trying unless u have friends to play with. if u wanna a play albion solo, u will have literally nothing to do in that game other than gathering ( talking as a veteran who only plays albion online.
Are you planning to still do a after 1000+ hours review for Throne and Liberty?
Yeah, will take a while to reach 1k hours though, probably sometime during the level 55 expansion I'll reach it
Really,I literally choose these games by how little players play it
Is it just me or lazy peon should change his name to daddypeon
2 days ago, you could see the numbers of OSRS go as high as 215,334 which is their highest number ever!
Here I am still playing Vindictus of all things
The fact wow is still dominating is impressive
Foxhole most under rated MMO
WoW Classic Hardcore is the most fun I've had in a video game for a while
dude did you just got buff ? long time no see you and you 100% different
great list! while it's not one of the most played there's something to be said of LOTRO. My top played game and just released a brand new expansion!
yo is this that muay thai guy?
he was a gamer and a WoW video maker long before he was that muay thai guy
In my opinion, the Lost Ark placement is perfect. Lost Ark feels the least like an MMO in the endgame. Therefore, a well-chosen placement in my opinion
Throne and liberty is actually a very good game specially if you're PVP enjoyer , it still lacks a a lot when it comes to PVE and the combat system is meh , but it has a lot of room for improvements and the devs are listening and making some changes .
But to be honest unless it fixes it's core issues , by the end of next 2025 Q1 it will lose most of it's player base .
As an adult with a kid on the way. I’d love to see more casual mmo’s on the rise. Maybe even with mobile clients. I’m debating on starting Albion or OSRS.
just a comment, but if you like casual, OSRS is quite grindy IMO, most skills and levelling is manual and will require your attention to a certain extent. So, if you want something more casual friendly, that you can AFK a little bit to tend to family, then RS3 is better in that regard.
Albion Online allows you to play at your own pace, I have started playing it solo casually, solo competitively then moved into guild/small scale content. You will enjoy it more if you enjoy PVP a little.
OSRS if you want to have fun while skilling up everything with lots of people there it just will take you probably YEARS to fully finish if you don't get Premium, but still enjoyable PVE and skilling game which also has PVP if you're interested..
and Albion solo is kind of weird but if you like to gather things like Animal Hide and make it to leather and then to armor and make money out of it, then it's pretty nice, thought you have to be careful not to enter PVP zones
I play mostly Albion now solo, I like to gather things and make money, and someday to make good armor to sell or even weapons, whatever you like!
OSRS only when I want a break from Albion since OSRS won't go anywhere, you can continue even after 4-5 or even more years, and it's very welcoming
ESO won't have yearly expansions going forward. they are moving to a seasonal model. info in the latest letter from the devs on their website
I will never understand how people can play a game like Black Desert online without any clear goals except "grind" and claim it's fun. I have tried the game so many times but it just doesn't click for me :c
BDO and guild wars 2 is only two MMORPG thats worth playing if you like PVP maybe albion too
What about Dofus?
2025 ...ya ok stick with your go go muffin bro