Luft Stalag III was the camp from which 76 British and Commonwealth airmen escaped through a tunnel in March 1944. The film "The Great Escape" was a fictionalised version of that story. Luft Stalag III had a library and a theatre, as well as other facilities, for the prisoners.
The story about the damaged B17 communication with tower was featured in a Yank Magazine article published in 1943 or 1944. Yank Magazine was the official government sanctioned magazine for service members during the war.
the character of sandra was real in the ATC but her name was changed per her familys request her real name was Alexandra Wingate. the way her role is alluded too likely communications, or possibly a Bletchley park code breaker. A role so secretive it wasnt declassified till decades later
Wasn’t Bletchley park near Oxford University and Cambridge. Cambridge (where she said she studied but didn’t get a degree due to their policies of the time) was and is known for the math and sciences, and my guess is she’s a code breaker thus the secrecy.
@@Matty_thyeah me too, except I started thinking it when she said she studied at Cambridge. Some of the most famous mathematicians studied at Cambridge.
@Analysta654 I don't think the real life woman studied at Cambridge but yes another hint could be Bletchley. Many women that went there didn't study at those two universities either
The Luftwaffe Interrogaters were very smart in their techniques and the way he spoke to bucky was very accurate from historical accounts. the way they got information without the prisoner realising they gave the information was an art form in itself. The was one well known account of a POW being given his file by an interrorgator and he opened it up and went white as a sheet. inside his file the germans had was a copy of all his high school report cards from america.
Most of the Luftwaffle interrogators had studied and went to college in England or the US. The one that interrogated Bucky went to college at Columbia I believe it was. Some were born in the US or England and left when Hilter took power to go fight for the "Fatherland". The incident you mentioned about the file having the flyers high school reports cards in it was 100% correct. The integrator he had didn't even ask him a single question, he already knew all he needed to know. The Germans had many spies in the US since not long after WW2.
I think what you keep forgetting is that this is a true story. The Show is based on a book which was written by Donald L Miller, which in turn was based on the true stories of these pilots. So the way the story flows isn't wierd writing. The way Gale got shot down and wasn't heard from until Egan met him in the camp isn't because the writers decided to write it like that. That's how it really happened. There are so many off screen deaths because thats how it was for the pilots who survived. They didn't see their comrades die in some dramatic fashion. The saw a plane got shot down. Maybe they saw chutes. Maybe not. Then it was anyone's guess if they died or got captured. The survivors of missions were then left guessing who survived, almost like the people watching the show.
I think we were kept in the dark about Buck’s fate for so long so that we could feel what Bucky (and other crew members) felt. They also didn’t know what happened to Buck. We find out he is alive at the same instant Bucky does - as is apparently the historical record.
I'm smiling at these reactions in episode 6, the reunion. It was fun seeing peoples "criticisms" about the writing regarding Buck's fate. Now you have experienced the taste of the airmen's experiences. The whole reveal would have been cheapened if they gave the audience what they wanted too early. Plus it's accurate to history, yup this actually happened for them.
I will say, I love what they have done with Buck Cleavin. Its the unknown that they have given the audience. ITs a small taste of what they truly went through in WW2. When a plane went down, you had no ide if a man was dead like Kurt, in the hands of the resistance like Bailey and Quinn, or a POW, like we know from history so many ended up. If there were only some parachutes, you had no idea who was under them. That unknown for us, is what they are trying to convey, in the smallest way that we would, as viewers, understand what they had daily in WW2. Its a brilliant piece of story telling, that is helping make this show so freaking fracking brilliant.
@@fredropro maybe the details were unknown but the people packed in cattle cars begging for help from POWs says enough to have a general idea of what was happening.
Loved your reaction, young lady. I loved your reaction when you saw Buck; very sweet. I couldn't get the scene of the screaming people crammed inside the train out of my head for days! Looking forward to the next one.
Regarding who the actual main characters are, the clue was in Crosby being the narrator. Add the foreshadowing the arrival of the replacements. So, it was great seeing Crosby have that friendship with the intelligence officer. He really needed that after losing his friend. It was also interesting having Egan see the very persecution Rosenthal was talking about, when he tried deflecting the doctor’s help. It was revealed in this episode that Rosie is Jewish, so the reports of what was happening was much more personal. The shock on Egan’s face, at the sight of that train, was chilling. Since, for most of the military those were just rumors and war propaganda.
Hi, I have two movie recommendations for pertaining to the Two Bucks being in the Prison Camp. 1. The Great Escape (1963). This event occurred in the camp where the Bucks are imprisoned, but was primarily confined to the British section of the Camp. It was made in the 1960's and had an impressive all star cast for the time: Steve McQueen, James Garner, Richard Attenborough, and Charles Bronson to name a few... 2. Stallag 17 (1953). This a more fictional movie, but was a great look into what life was like for the POW's in Germany in WWII. The premise is an American POW who is running the Black Market in a German POW Camp is accused by the other Prisoners of being an informant after two fellow prisoners are killed trying to escape.
Neither were aware at the time but, Buck and Bucky were actually in the same Dulag luft ( the interrogation scene) at the same time only a couple cells from each other presumably being interrogated by the same guy, who by the way was a real person and is played by an actual German. And the luftwaffe interrogators routinely scared the hell out of captured airman with the amount of information they knew about them.
I think the reason that the writers leave us guessing is because that's how it was for the surviving aircrews and ground personnel. A crew leaves and doesn't return. Either POWs or as Bucky's one night stand said, rotting in a potato field. Also, if the audience finds it harder to connect with some characters, well, that happened too. Crews were thrown together or replaced piecemeal, and, so you barely meet a guy, and he's gone. As for Bucky needing to "see the damage close up," well he did, in London, the night before. I don't empathize with civilians on the ground who killed POW,s. They allowed The Nazi's into power, and they started that war. Our choices did not include saving civilians in and around target ereas. We had a duty to win and end the Nazis as soon as possible.
Rosenthal was a qualified lawyer in civilian life and jewish so i love these conversations he was having with the Doctor. you can sort of see the Lawyer come out.
@@johnwriter8234 - Not remotely a spoiler, because Rosie already said he is Jewish and a lawyer in the show. His ethnicity has never been a secret, as he was openly Jewish. Each soldier’s religion was listed on their dogtag.
The interrogator in this episode is a subtle nod to Hanns Scharff. Who's interrogation tactics were integrated into the US military after the war. His methods were to use the information gained by spies immediately in an interrogation to shock the subject then to gain his confidence with a break and finally to resume the interrogation with a renewed sense that the subject believes he cant give anything away because its already known. His superiors knew he was good but in one instance of a trust gaining break from interrogation he arranged for an American POW to test fly a German fighter....i wish I could be a fly on the wall to see the conversation when he requested permission to do this.
funnily enough Buck and Bucky were at the transit camp at the same time a few doors down from each other but never realised and buck did say when he saw him at the stalag what took you so long
The only reason Crosby wasn't on that mission where only one plane came back was because he didn't have a plane to go in. From what I understand the mission planner still goes on missions.
Yes...I think the point of making it seem "Buck" is killed off screen is to try and get the audience to experience what Bucky and the other flyers experience. The "unknown". Are they dead? Were they captured? Are they moving through the underground? One of the reasons they are called "the ghosts" of those who go missing. A nice review as alway. And everyone has tears when he looks to the right...and there's Buck (proves the audience, or at use you DID experience the "unknown"). I'm really curious going forward to see how much they cover Rosie Rosenthal's story. Minor spoiler...a "full" tour of duty for the flyers was 25 missions. Rosie...did 52. FIFTY TWO! Have a Blessed rest of your week.
Uhh.. the character played by Bel Bowley totally flirted with Crosby without him giving a reason for it. Asked him out, kissed him and actually stared at him alot. But once Crosby looks at her, he ruins their thing? 😂
Ah the scene in the bombed out city is an adaption of the russenheim massacre where 6 american POWS were murdered. while this likely didnt happen to Bucky it was a very real worry and threat for downed Allied airmen
There's several hints Westgate is British intelligence. She doesn't tell Crosby what she does, she came to the university for the lectures most likely to investigate what the professors were talking about. A movement of communism was spreading at the time and many universities harbored communist sentiments so she may have been sent to talk to and get a feel for whats going on at the college. And also they "happen" across a party. If you pay attention the women is singing about the Union (Soviet Union) tearing the Fascists down and the brave Chinese soldiers so I think it was a communist sympathizers get together and she's taking note of who's there and what's going on in plain sight.
*Woke people have all these strange hang-ups these days. Millennials and Gen-Z women especially are pretty much screwed up in the head. Many on various drugs etc*
@@Cucuy222 Hmmm it's not banter though. The British military men in particular are portrayed as either arseholes or incompetent. Its got really old now. Again and again. They did the same to the Aussie troops in The Pacific. Cheers.
I recognize being disappointed with how Crosby’s relationship with Sandra turned into a romantic one; however, these events are based on historical people so there may be some unpleasant truth to this relationship. Granted, the show writers have taken liberties with some stuff like Bubble’s death (it seems he actually died in a later bombing raid rather than the one depicted in episode 5). This is to say that they could have omitted the Crosby affair but if the affair is central to his character development, why hide it? Affairs were common during wartime. Are you and others disappointed by this reality, as sure as I am but it is what it is and sugar coating for audience who only wish to see platonic relationships are forced to endure these scenes and seek healthier examples elsewhere.
The British and American servicemen mostly respected each other and regarded themselves as teammates. This series is excellent, but the snobby british stereotypes are the part I'm least comfortable about.
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Luft Stalag III was the camp from which 76 British and Commonwealth airmen escaped through a tunnel in March 1944.
The film "The Great Escape" was a fictionalised version of that story.
Luft Stalag III had a library and a theatre, as well as other facilities, for the prisoners.
Rosenthal drumming The Chant with his fingers and then it cuts in with the song when his resolve hardens and he jumps in, epic moment.
The story about the damaged B17 communication with tower was featured in a Yank Magazine article published in 1943 or 1944. Yank Magazine was the official government sanctioned magazine for service members during the war.
Bucky and Buck's reunion brought a smile on my face as well.
Seriously, even behind barbed wire, Austin Butler just looks too cool😂
the character of sandra was real in the ATC but her name was changed per her familys request her real name was Alexandra Wingate. the way her role is alluded too likely communications, or possibly a Bletchley park code breaker. A role so secretive it wasnt declassified till decades later
Dude, I was thinking Bletchley Park as soon as she received that note and “borrowed” that bike.
Wasn’t Bletchley park near Oxford University and Cambridge. Cambridge (where she said she studied but didn’t get a degree due to their policies of the time) was and is known for the math and sciences, and my guess is she’s a code breaker thus the secrecy.
@@Matty_thyeah me too, except I started thinking it when she said she studied at Cambridge. Some of the most famous mathematicians studied at Cambridge.
@Analysta654 I don't think the real life woman studied at Cambridge but yes another hint could be Bletchley. Many women that went there didn't study at those two universities either
The Luftwaffe Interrogaters were very smart in their techniques and the way he spoke to bucky was very accurate from historical accounts. the way they got information without the prisoner realising they gave the information was an art form in itself. The was one well known account of a POW being given his file by an interrorgator and he opened it up and went white as a sheet. inside his file the germans had was a copy of all his high school report cards from america.
Most of the Luftwaffle interrogators had studied and went to college in England or the US. The one that interrogated Bucky went to college at Columbia I believe it was. Some were born in the US or England and left when Hilter took power to go fight for the "Fatherland".
The incident you mentioned about the file having the flyers high school reports cards in it was 100% correct. The integrator he had didn't even ask him a single question, he already knew all he needed to know.
The Germans had many spies in the US since not long after WW2.
I think what you keep forgetting is that this is a true story. The Show is based on a book which was written by Donald L Miller, which in turn was based on the true stories of these pilots. So the way the story flows isn't wierd writing. The way Gale got shot down and wasn't heard from until Egan met him in the camp isn't because the writers decided to write it like that. That's how it really happened. There are so many off screen deaths because thats how it was for the pilots who survived. They didn't see their comrades die in some dramatic fashion. The saw a plane got shot down. Maybe they saw chutes. Maybe not. Then it was anyone's guess if they died or got captured. The survivors of missions were then left guessing who survived, almost like the people watching the show.
I think we were kept in the dark about Buck’s fate for so long so that we could feel what Bucky (and other crew members) felt. They also didn’t know what happened to Buck. We find out he is alive at the same instant Bucky does - as is apparently the historical record.
Your reaction, Larrisa, to seeing Buck alive is endearing. Had to "rewind" and watch it again.
I'm smiling at these reactions in episode 6, the reunion. It was fun seeing peoples "criticisms" about the writing regarding Buck's fate. Now you have experienced the taste of the airmen's experiences. The whole reveal would have been cheapened if they gave the audience what they wanted too early. Plus it's accurate to history, yup this actually happened for them.
I will say, I love what they have done with Buck Cleavin. Its the unknown that they have given the audience. ITs a small taste of what they truly went through in WW2.
When a plane went down, you had no ide if a man was dead like Kurt, in the hands of the resistance like Bailey and Quinn, or a POW, like we know from history so many ended up. If there were only some parachutes, you had no idea who was under them.
That unknown for us, is what they are trying to convey, in the smallest way that we would, as viewers, understand what they had daily in WW2.
Its a brilliant piece of story telling, that is helping make this show so freaking fracking brilliant.
Him seeing the train go past with all the civilians on it heading to a concentration camp - he would have had no understand of what that even was
bunch of civilians packed into cattle cars begging for help from POWs shouldn't be too hard to figure out.
You did see Band of Brothers right? The Americans didn’t find out about concentration camps till late in the war
@@fredropro
maybe the details were unknown but the people packed in cattle cars begging for help from POWs says enough to have a general idea of what was happening.
the song at 20:33 is the same one he was humming in episode 5 when they were only plane left...
Loved your reaction, young lady. I loved your reaction when you saw Buck; very sweet. I couldn't get the scene of the screaming people crammed inside the train out of my head for days! Looking forward to the next one.
Regarding who the actual main characters are, the clue was in Crosby being the narrator. Add the foreshadowing the arrival of the replacements. So, it was great seeing Crosby have that friendship with the intelligence officer. He really needed that after losing his friend. It was also interesting having Egan see the very persecution Rosenthal was talking about, when he tried deflecting the doctor’s help. It was revealed in this episode that Rosie is Jewish, so the reports of what was happening was much more personal. The shock on Egan’s face, at the sight of that train, was chilling. Since, for most of the military those were just rumors and war propaganda.
Hi, I have two movie recommendations for pertaining to the Two Bucks being in the Prison Camp.
1. The Great Escape (1963). This event occurred in the camp where the Bucks are imprisoned, but was primarily confined to the British section of the Camp. It was made in the 1960's and had an impressive all star cast for the time: Steve McQueen, James Garner, Richard Attenborough, and Charles Bronson to name a few...
2. Stallag 17 (1953). This a more fictional movie, but was a great look into what life was like for the POW's in Germany in WWII. The premise is an American POW who is running the Black Market in a German POW Camp is accused by the other Prisoners of being an informant after two fellow prisoners are killed trying to escape.
Neither were aware at the time but, Buck and Bucky were actually in the same Dulag luft ( the interrogation scene) at the same time only a couple cells from each other presumably being interrogated by the same guy, who by the way was a real person and is played by an actual German.
And the luftwaffe interrogators routinely scared the hell out of captured airman with the amount of information they knew about them.
I think the reason that the writers leave us guessing is because that's how it was for the surviving aircrews and ground personnel. A crew leaves and doesn't return. Either POWs or as Bucky's one night stand said, rotting in a potato field. Also, if the audience finds it harder to connect with some characters, well, that happened too. Crews were thrown together or replaced piecemeal, and, so you barely meet a guy, and he's gone. As for Bucky needing to "see the damage close up," well he did, in London, the night before. I don't empathize with civilians on the ground who killed POW,s. They allowed The Nazi's into power, and they started that war. Our choices did not include saving civilians in and around target ereas. We had a duty to win and end the Nazis as soon as possible.
Yep, I reacted the same way when i saw Buck!. Love your reactions.
Rosenthal was a qualified lawyer in civilian life and jewish so i love these conversations he was having with the Doctor. you can sort of see the Lawyer come out.
...spoiler...
@@johnwriter8234 - Not remotely a spoiler, because Rosie already said he is Jewish and a lawyer in the show. His ethnicity has never been a secret, as he was openly Jewish. Each soldier’s religion was listed on their dogtag.
@@johnwriter8234 he was a qualified lawyer and just started his first job as war was declared. He also mentioned it in the show
So, I wonder if Artie Shaw, Woody Guthrie, and Irving Berlin will get a bump on iTunes because of this show? 🙂
I have been a fan of Artie and Irving! before the series! Woody, nah!
The interrogator in this episode is a subtle nod to Hanns Scharff. Who's interrogation tactics were integrated into the US military after the war. His methods were to use the information gained by spies immediately in an interrogation to shock the subject then to gain his confidence with a break and finally to resume the interrogation with a renewed sense that the subject believes he cant give anything away because its already known. His superiors knew he was good but in one instance of a trust gaining break from interrogation he arranged for an American POW to test fly a German fighter....i wish I could be a fly on the wall to see the conversation when he requested permission to do this.
The reaction to buck was golden...❤
funnily enough Buck and Bucky were at the transit camp at the same time a few doors down from each other but never realised and buck did say when he saw him at the stalag what took you so long
The only reason Crosby wasn't on that mission where only one plane came back was because he didn't have a plane to go in. From what I understand the mission planner still goes on missions.
This true reaction to Ep 6 is the best one I have seen
Yes...I think the point of making it seem "Buck" is killed off screen is to try and get the audience to experience what Bucky and the other flyers experience. The "unknown". Are they dead? Were they captured? Are they moving through the underground? One of the reasons they are called "the ghosts" of those who go missing. A nice review as alway. And everyone has tears when he looks to the right...and there's Buck (proves the audience, or at use you DID experience the "unknown"). I'm really curious going forward to see how much they cover Rosie Rosenthal's story. Minor spoiler...a "full" tour of duty for the flyers was 25 missions. Rosie...did 52. FIFTY TWO! Have a Blessed rest of your week.
Great review of the episode!
Uhh.. the character played by Bel Bowley totally flirted with Crosby without him giving a reason for it. Asked him out, kissed him and actually stared at him alot. But once Crosby looks at her, he ruins their thing? 😂
love your reaction and cool jinx poster!
The song on the guitar was an actual song from ww2 and a very good adaption of one.
Buck really said, "What took you so long?'
"BUCKY! ... Check You're 2-Oclock !!"
( it's "BUCK!!)
Man I was just as excited to see buck
18:38 meanwhile...here's 1 example of how German POWs were treated in Canada th-cam.com/video/0bu5FUjpPu0/w-d-xo.html
Sometimes, life is stranger than fiction
We thought we lost Buck in episode 4, he was just gone for 1 episode. Thankfully
Loving the Hogan's heroes vibe at the end especially ep7
Ah the scene in the bombed out city is an adaption of the russenheim massacre where 6 american POWS were murdered. while this likely didnt happen to Bucky it was a very real worry and threat for downed Allied airmen
There's several hints Westgate is British intelligence. She doesn't tell Crosby what she does, she came to the university for the lectures most likely to investigate what the professors were talking about. A movement of communism was spreading at the time and many universities harbored communist sentiments so she may have been sent to talk to and get a feel for whats going on at the college. And also they "happen" across a party. If you pay attention the women is singing about the Union (Soviet Union) tearing the Fascists down and the brave Chinese soldiers so I think it was a communist sympathizers get together and she's taking note of who's there and what's going on in plain sight.
To be honest specially in those days men went after women and its wasnt very common for a man and women to be friends without benefits
*Woke people have all these strange hang-ups these days. Millennials and Gen-Z women especially are pretty much screwed up in the head. Many on various drugs etc*
In Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg we believe. ❤️🔥
Too bad they constantly shit on their allies in their productions.
@@lyndoncmp5751 lol yeah i noticed that. I heard there was always a bit of banter going on between the two tho.
@@Cucuy222
Hmmm it's not banter though. The British military men in particular are portrayed as either arseholes or incompetent. Its got really old now. Again and again. They did the same to the Aussie troops in The Pacific.
Cheers.
This episode showed how well the propaganda worked in Germany. Goebbles was a genius at lies
Bad writing? These are real people and real events!
Take a look at Kokoda.
I recognize being disappointed with how Crosby’s relationship with Sandra turned into a romantic one; however, these events are based on historical people so there may be some unpleasant truth to this relationship. Granted, the show writers have taken liberties with some stuff like Bubble’s death (it seems he actually died in a later bombing raid rather than the one depicted in episode 5). This is to say that they could have omitted the Crosby affair but if the affair is central to his character development, why hide it? Affairs were common during wartime. Are you and others disappointed by this reality, as sure as I am but it is what it is and sugar coating for audience who only wish to see platonic relationships are forced to endure these scenes and seek healthier examples elsewhere.
Is she pre watching these episodes?
episodes releasing every friday
If you’re on the East Coast USA, they are available Thursday at 9:15-9:30 PM.
The British and American servicemen mostly respected each other and regarded themselves as teammates. This series is excellent, but the snobby british stereotypes are the part I'm least comfortable about.
Yes it's nauseating and distasteful. They absolutely shit on the RAF with their sly digs.
the point of us not knowing is non of the other character or the allies knew either we were kept in the dark just like they were irl