THIS Could Have Saved Their Lives...
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it's outrageous that the transponder wasn't replaced before it was used again. RIP those poor men.
Have to save cost somehow
When a Safety stop at work didn't function when I took my shift I refused to work, my direct supervisor threatened my job, then the manager came over and did the same, I stood my ground for MY safety, they removed me from my position and found someone else to take my position, not informing him of the danger.
You cannot rely on anyone but yourself for safety.. I wouldn't have stepped foot into that bell unless they had the beacons and flash systems operating, and I had visually confirmed them working, and I'm like that because of my father, who told me a story of a horrible accident that he witnessed at a Chevron Refinery
some companies get so large they can easily absorb wrongful death lawsuits and never fix the issues that caused them.
I feel you. Got fired from previous job for refusing unsafe conditions. It's better to die on that proverbial hill than to die on a production floor under a pile of pallets.
I worked for a company that built off shore oil rigs and they were getting ready to weld leg extensions on it. They had a 500 ton crane on top of the rig but the crane operator told them that the brake drum was either cracked or egg shaped. They had been using it for light lifts like 10,000 lbs but the leg extensions weighed 250 tons. He said that they would have to fix the crane before he made the lift or somebody would get hurt. Management told him to either make the lift or he's fired. He walked. He said he's not having the death's of the welders on his conscience. So, the company hired another crane operator. I don't know how much he knew about the brake but they started up with the extension and everything was going fine. Then when the crane operator tried to lower it down it went into a free fall and fell right where the 3 welders were tied off. One of them was severely injured and had to have facial reconstruction, the other 2 were killed. The fired crane operator agreed to testify in court that management knew about the cranes brake. They had them by the short and curlys. They not only proved negligence but also GROSS negligence which insurance doesn't cover. Gross negligence comes out of the owners pockets. They wound up going bankrupt and sold the company. Two people were killed and 1 severely injured in an accident that was 100% avoidable. But, greed does that to you.
Got some stories like that from the military. Wrote them out for a few stories like these. U are the arbiter of saftey for urself. I don't want to hear others tell me what is or isn't safe. If I think it's safe... im doing it
@@jamesstreet228my problem with this story - as always - is that the *company* pays out a *financial* penalty, while the actual individuals responsible are never actually ^punished*. Corporations are *not* people. They do not *suffer* the loss of years of their lives behind bars. People get laid off of work, lose their income, and suffer much much greater consequences than these malignant assholes who actually *killed* two men and destroyed the lives of the third as well as family members who love(d) them. It is a *bullying* mentality that threatens and fires workers who protect themselves. I have a seething contempt for people like that.
Once again, safety procedures and SOP's are written in blood.
The worst part about a lot of these accidents and unfortunately deaths is that in many cases, the safety equipment is nonfunctional, has been removed, or no one is really trained on its use. Usually, more so, the first two happening.
Case in point with this story. The transponder and strobe light were removed. Two important safety devices were knowingly removed for whatever reason. Without the safety devices installed or functional, that bell should have been listed as unserviceable/out of service until the safety faults were corrected. Or any other deficiency for that matter.
I don't know what that is. When I was having my daughter àn alarm kept going off with every contraction so the nurse disabled the machine. Hours later the obstetrician arrived and was stunned to discover in the middle of delivery that the umbilical cord was tightly wound around my daughters neck. The monitor had been doing precisely what it was there to do, and the nurse's response was to cut it off. I just can't relate to people who do this stuff. I trusted that nurse and I'm sure these guys trusted the people whose job it was to keep them safe.
@@poutinedream5066 Unfortunately, there are people in this world who consider themselves before others.
Heyyy the safety procedures are written in blood quote again lol I see it in every video now 😮
The whole point of safety equipment is that hopefully you WON'T need it... BUT that in the circumstances you do, it'll be there, doing its job, so you have it. I don't care if we're talking about some alarm system, or the locator beacon on a piece of personnel carrying equipment, or the handgun I keep on my bike for riding through the wild places... It's just better to have it and NOT need it than to need it and not have it... I fail utterly to understand how anyone thinks it's a good idea to remove safety kit... THAT person (or those people) belong BURIED UNDER THE PRISON! ;o)
I just really don't get it man. These stories piss me off so much because of this crap. We don't just have people inventing and installing safety equipment because they get their jollies off it. The shit exists for a damn reason, so maybe if it's not working or missing, that should be a sign that something bad could happen 🤦🏼♂️
Oh my god. My Heart sinks finding out that that they can't get out. I would hope that corrections have been made so this this would NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN?!!
Well there’s a few similar stories from around the same period
The bodies sunk too
Its the risk of the Job sadly but the payments are good
@@yveshotting3371from what i see is certain death soon or later
I think ive watched basically every video on your channel at this point, i love the quality and your insights not only into the technical aspects of every topic youve covered but the human element. That being said even knowing the danger saturation diving is something that i still want to do one day.
Thanks.
Same
That's the scariest thing about saturation diving to me; you can be the baddest mother in the valley or the rookie on the block and have the same chances of surviving something like this. So **so** much is just out of your control from operations to circumstances. The trust and the stones on those guys is something else
You know what was in their control? Removing the fucking strobe and transponder from the dive bell. What possible reason could one have for doing such a thing?
@@wasdwazd was it the divers tho? That's what I mean, those support teams are so large and responsibilities are so convoluted, the divers have to count on not just the circumstances treating them right, but a large team prone to human error and "it'll be fiiiiiine"
It’s in your control to refuse to go down in the bell after the safety equipment has been removed. I’m not even a saturation diver and I know it’s important to have the strobe and transponder in case you get lost. Probably need some form of spare batteries for both of them. Maybe even spare units as well.
Any industrial safety accident I have ever seen has been avoidable to some extent by taking extra precautions. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a blameless freak accident.
@@blakestone1432 if you've never seen a freak accident, have you ever considered maybe mediating those human errors...is the point?
@@oganvildevil Yes, that is the exact point of my comment. This situation was 100% avoidable and within the divers control.
Even listening to situations like this makes me panic and feel so claustrophobic it’s unreal. People who do this kind of job are a different breed of human!
It pains me to leave a thumbs up on such a sad story, but you told it well. Thank you for sharing.
The quality of your storytelling is top tier ! You don't just talk in front of a camera but propose a lot of illustrating images or sounds.
One of the best facecam storyteling Channel out there !
This is a sad and tragic story, very well told. A couple of points - the diving contractor on the Star Canopus was not Comex but Northern Divers (which was renamed Star Offshore Services). Also, at the time the Uncle John was a Diving Support Vessel, I know as I was a sat diver for 6 years working for Comex on that ship, I joined it not long after the Canopus accident. The Uncle John was much later converted to a drill platform when it moved from the North Sea to the Gulf (or somewhere else, I can't remember).
Thanks for sharing their story.
Fantastic content once again. Even though these stories are tragic, I look forward to your new video as soon as I finish one.
Thanks for sharing.
It's my understanding that the helium rich environment cools your body with every exhale of breath and sped the dying of hypothermia.
I have your videos on in the background while im at work and they make a long boring day so much better! Keep up the awesome work! 🌊 ❤
Thanks, will do
These stories are just the ticket for appreciating boring, safe jobs! I'm watching just before I head off to my routine, relatively safe day at work. 👍
BRO I JUST SUBBED i thought you were like a big channel because this content is top tier... now how tf you "only" have like 27k subs, super underrated
😂 just takes time to grow
@@waterlinestories as long as you keep up the good work i bet you will grow in no time!
You tell a story very well. It's a hard thing to do when it a very complex subject like sat diving.
Thanks
Imagine the amount of people that have to die just to be able to figure these things out
Do oil and gas companies even know what a "backup" system is? How can they be so bad at safety?
In the early days it was legitimately like the Wild West. I know other divers who worked in the Gulf of Mexico as well as the North Sea during that era and they’re all lucky to be alive.
Hi, I listened to your first 2 stories. So sad, RIP all souls lost. I could not listen to any further stories of companies and executives who could not do their jobs ethically.
It really is quite sad when accidents happen like this, where your stuck in a situation with no (easy) way out. I wonder if theres anything they could do to modify the design of diving bells to make sure that they at least have some stand off space under them if they end up on the sea floor (if that isn't already a thing today)
I saw a diving bell a few years ago that had a platform underneath the bell. It seemed to be rigid, and designed so that the divers would have something to land on when dropping out of the trunk. I would guess that would have kept the bottom of the trunk clear of the ocean floor. It also appeared to have a large concrete weight attached to the lower platform, which at the time I thought was just buoyancy compensation, to ensure the bell sinks on the end of the cable. But it is possible that it could also help the bell stay platform side down if it hit the bottom.
I was surprised that the system used in this story didn't have a way to detach the weight from inside the bell. Detaching from the outside seems quite scary. You would need to get back inside and seal the trunk before the bell rose very much to avoid decompression.
Just discovered your channel whilst at work… gotta say I’ve been binging ever since the “87 dead in this block” video. Amazing work!
Thanks, I really appreciate that
@@waterlinestories no thank you man! I honestly can’t stop watching as I’ve grown up around a family of divers and I’ve always wanted to become a diver! I work a 10 hour and 30min shift and your channel makes it fly by!
Another superb explanation 👌
Having all your cables cut and violently descending towards the seabed is the stuff nightmares are made of.
oh my god that has to be one of the worst ways to die. imagine being stuck in there and slowly freezing to death..
Awesome video as always, my man. You're one of the only channels I have notifications enabled for. Good luck!
Thanks
Well-made content, well-spoken, and very knowledgeable on the subject.
I subscribed to this wonderful channel yesterday and i love it already.
Thanks. Welcome aboard
Waterline stories is the best 🌎
👍🏻 thanks
I'm looking forward to your TH-cam future! Great topics and presentation
Thanks
I've binged every video of yours! I love how you explain these stories, so easy to follow and understand and endlessly fascinating. I would love to see you do a video about the man who invented the rebreather one day, I feel like you would find details and information that others who have covered the topic neglected. it is your channel of course, im sure you have enough video ideas as is lol i will watch every upload regardless, your channel renewed my love for youtube videos, it has been a long time since I've enjoyed someones content so much! thank you for uploading!
i wanted to add i especially love the respect you show the victims. humanizing them best you can even if you dont have the details of their personal lives. it gives these tales more depth and the reality they need. its important to remember these were real people with lives.
Thanks, I really appreciate that
Awesome channel! I just stumbled into this and subcribed. I love how they are detailed but also short and exciting! Thank you for this great content. Compelling stories! Im so scared of deep water and stuff like that so I really like these
Just discovered your channel
I like the original stories and have been bingeing your channel.
Great work.
My thought is, as a diver, couldn’t you refuse to use a poorly equipped bell with no strobe and transponder? Also, chemical heaters kept inside the bell would help in this exact situation.
There's sadly more divers than jobs. So yes, of course you can refuse, but you will just be replaced by someone else, and probably won't get employed again. So the question isn't really if you can refuse, it's more like if you can find another job.
@@circomnia9984 Yes true, but you live another day.
If I was informed that a bell I was in didn’t have a strobe or a transponder I & most of my colleagues would not be going on that bell run until it was fixed.
@@circomnia9984 That sucks! I’m not a diver but I’m a tree climber and I’ve walked away from a few sketchy jobs. My boss now is cool. If I don’t think a tree is safe we turn it down or rent a crane. I hope you work for a company that values your safety.
That exact line of thought is what keeps safety standards low. Stand up for yourself, no one else will. @circomnia9984
I just really don't understand how they could even let the bell be lowered without all of its safety systems in place and functioning. Someone explain this to me please, because I feel like I'm drinking crazy juice.
(Don't actually explain it to me please, I'm just being hyperbolic. I get that things like overconfidence in redundant systems, focus on profits over safety, and good old miscommunication/human error account for the vast majority of problems in these cases. It's just heartbreaking to see the same things happen over and over, and knowing that these were absolutely not things that only could have been prevented with the benefit of hindsight 😔)
Well I think it is death by lack of O2 in the diving bell. Those bell are very small and O2 does not last long
Profits over people. Shocker.
Absolutely heart breaking .. what a way to die 😢
Really enjoy the content, you need more subscribers. Sound very South African.
Thanks. Yes South African
Being called Michael Ward, watching this video was surreal
It's mental how many of the ships in your videos are still here in aberdeen some under different names
I've watched loads of your videos and it's usually bad news, this looks like a really dangerous jobs with plenty of things that can go wrong its just that when something goes wrong it usually ends with someone dying. They deserve to be getting well paid, in fact they they should be even more for risking their lives so often.
5K per month isn't enough for a gig like that! I hope the two men invested heavily into life insurance for their respective families. Condolences.
this is how i imagine hell .
Is there a good reason diving bells don't have a way to temporarily provide heat to their occupants in situations like these? Why don't they have something like an electric water heater that runs off onboard batteries?
This was pretty early in saturation diving as a field, such a device Probaly wasn’t even thought of yet
I listen to a lot of stories of shipwrecks in New Zealand and on the Great Lakes because there's so many of them. And I wonder why you haven't taken on any of those? You do have that experience as a sailor and I'd be very interested to hear your scientific yet very compelling narration
I will do. There's so many great stories to do. Thanks for saying so
Also the Thresher : were there pings and five bangs that were heard before she was given up for dead? Would it have even been possible? Thanks for all your work on these videos
I don't know who backs these but if its independent I commend your video's quality and frequency, keep it up and you'll have an audience that's big in no time. If you're a part of a larger network I still appreciate the endeavour but it is less impressive.
Thanks. I have a team who help me with the production but I am independent. Ex diving instructor, sailor and curious person. 👍🏻
@@waterlinestories that's amazing man, I'm a recreational diver with a passion for the seas and sailing in general and your videos are really entertaining and educating, the script is written very well and I've even watched videos that I know the story of just to see your take on it and in many times it has shined details that other creators, maybe not as experienced with diving missed.
That’s why I started. I could see some stories being butchered because the narrator didn’t have a grasp of the subject matter. Great to have you on board
I’m a salvor/ underwater welder and I hate doing offshore work. I prefer ships husbandry or coastal/inland. I give Sat divers all the credit in the world.
you would guess they would insulate the bell and at the very least provide an insulated surface to be on, together with battery powered heaters for inside the suits together with laser/sonar/uhf locators and a way to drop the weight from inside.
why do these things not have an automated bouyancy device to automatically regulate its depth or a way to exit if designed in such a way that the only one can be blocked, absolutely baffling
Who is the smart guy that decides to go down without the transponder.
*What* could have saved their lives though?
Lots of things are discussed in the video but nothing is really posited:
• Emergency transponder? (removed)
• Anti-sink staging beneath the Stage?
• Wireless underwater communication system?
• Improved life support systems?
This particular video feels a bit clickbaith
This was back in the 80s i believe, no wireless
@@VashStarwind we had radio used effectively in the 1950s and underwater telephone around 1912
A sonar beacon is just a big ass speaker underwater that sends out 'clicks' or 'pings'
And an underwater telephone allows long range speech with effectively a loud hailer and a microphone
Now I think I figured out how NASA makes all of the videos they do it through a moon pool
Whatever they pay these guys, it ain't enough......
Ill never understand why you would EVER remove a transponder from a bell, and the fact that its been a problem more than once is astonishing.. That and not being able to release the clump weights from inside seems like a HUGE design flaw.
Comex or whatever its called?? boy what a job, i wish!
Stroke flash missing in the project design?
Transponders removed?
Got to be welded so no one can remove it ?
Rest in peace amazing warriors!!!!
My opinion,,,it's worth no amount of money to take such a chance.
Saddest tv series ever.
"they're gonna be alright, were being told what they were thinking, there's no way we could know that if they both died.... Wait-"
What are you trying to say?
@@sophocles1198 im trying to say how do we know what they were thinking if nobody made it out of there alive?
Thats mad that boat is still in service under a different name she's in aberdeen Harbour right now
i love these vids. i always think the presenter is a bit frightening, i get the impression he is holding strong emotions tightly in check, but only just, he might go bonkers any moment.
My boss has investigate most of these. This shit is crazy I go through the paperwork
What the fuck man! All the money those conpany bill for and they fumble that hard? Just like deep watter horizon. When the steakes are that high you cant hope for the best. Those men deserve better. Saturation diving is very close to working in space in my book.
What a bad dysign of bell
Good video
Why is there weird music in the background 😂😂
My questions are;
1 - How much did the shape of the hull being cylindrical, vs spherical, reduce it's strength?
2 - Had it been made from steel or titanium, would that have worked and what thickness would it have to be?
3 - What diameter and thickness would a spherical hull need to be in order to accommodate 5 passengers at a depth of 4000 m?
4 - What are your thoughts on the best hull shape for this application?
Thank you and keep up the great work.
I don't understand the hypothermia.
their environment is at 0 degrees. they had dry suits and clothes. people routinely experience much colder temperatures with wind chill.
it seems they should have had enough material to keep warm...
Why isn't there a system that allows the divers to release the clump weights from inside the bell? Explosive bolts perhaps? (Seriously, I'm tearing my hear out)
There's no outro or sign off or any audio cue that the video is over so as I'm listening an ad starts and then he's talking about something totally different and it's very disorienting
This was a movie right?
I don't think so. Not that I've seen anyway
Wow, so sad
Ive heard in aus you can make 3k+ a day as a sat diver
What does the title of the video mean?????
What would happen if the diver was out of the bell when a squall/storm hit? wouldn't they be fine if they're under the water?
The bell, and consequently the divers, can be dragged around by their umbilicals resulting in damage either from overstress or contact with other undersea items. In fact that's exactly what happened when they were unable to recover the bell in time and its cables were severed by the anchor chain for the adjacent semi-submersible.
They would of been fine until the bell dropped, it would have severed both their umbilicals, the one to the bell, and the one from the bell to the ship, and they would have died in a few minutes instead of hours
Not diving, you mean?
And I think with the brand new switch we have on submersibles we have a brand-new switch that has just been invented drop the weight rise to the top
I'm going to have to stop watching these videos, they are well made and well researched and the narration is very good but the subject matter just makes my blood boil! my neighbour just phoned me to ask if I was ok after I started shouting "why the f'ck was the transponder not replaced, why was there no stage?. Why? How do These things keep happening FUUUCK!"
Everytime this can be traced back to penny-pinching management putting pressure on safety personnel
🫣 gotta be one of the best comments I’ve read. Thanks for sharing 😂
Sad
Seems like saturation diving is too dangerous. Not worth the high pay. Wish there was a safer way of constructing these pipelines.
You know what's so cool about all this you've literally created a whole industry of people... Just to search for oil
Big money
i find your accent jolly interesting. you say off, as 'orf', like posh English people do. and you don't sound like the baddies in Lethal weapon 2, you know, saying 'blick' instead of black. i love to listen to people's accents. in fact, upon reflection I am only guessing you are from SA.
LOTS $$ will not buy my LIFE !!!
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That treasure belongs to the descendants of native Americans. The Spanish killed or enslaved the men, raped the women and boys, and stole everything they got their hands on. It’s estimated that the Spanish killed more that 100M people in the first 50 years of the Spanish Occupation. My great grandmother detested the Spanish and loved the Americans who put an end to brutal de facto slavery and abuse and built road and hospitals. To my great grandmother, the Americans were saviors. Puerto Ricans remain loyal Americans to this day. The “discovery” of America was a catastrophe for the indigenous populations.
We Tainos didn’t need to be discovered since we’ve always known where we were. Lastly, besides murder, the native population, gifted by provenance with an island paradise were killed by germ warfare as the filthy, unwashed Europeans brought every disease of filth to the New World. The best thing we ever got from Europeans was Dvorak’s New World Symphony. The numbers I cite above are estimates by historians and must be taken as educated guesses.
Omg if your paid £23 k a month based on risk your chances must be as good as a ww2 u boat crew
I guess you can literally find politics anywhere you look... The structures name is Uncle John much like Uncle Tom
All right thank you. Need to get some better sponsors as to this crap propaganda bullshit lies commercials that you play TH-cam
Is there no way to have a system in there that would help survive hypothermia for 30 hours? It just feels like in would be possible. After all, people stay for months in the Himalayas and sleep in sub-zero temperatures. Sorry for my naivety.
Problem is your breathing helium Wich also sucks the warmth out of you with every breath. And bells are often wet and very humid both conditions that will lead to hyperthermia.
what was the thing that could have saved their lives you didnt even say it
This music is not fitting at all lmao
Simple math says 5000 per week is 25000 per month.
It was £5000 a month, which in today's money, would be around £23,000.
y'all gettin outraged by something that happened before people were even required to wear seatbelts. safety has changed.
Is that Hamas behind you? 🤔 👁 🪂 🎆 🎇
Dont you get sick of repeating nitrogen narcosis and its meaning every video? Because im sick of hearing it every video..
I just want to know what happened to the divers
Wow another video uploaded with so many falsehoods. First of all Haliburtan was responsible for the mud d it’s consistency which wasn’t done properly then Haliburtan was also responsible for the cement used to plug the well. The mud was too light to begin with as they were worried about the formation being to fragile. This is also what happened to the cement Haliburtan concocted for supposedly seal the well. This didn’t work and because it was left unattended the plug failed and damaged the BOP due to the pressure of the gas b cause the mud was extremely lite and hitch provided no help. Once the B.O.P.. was damaged the diesel engines were running away and could have been shut down if the safety systems we’re working. The his system is totally automatic but because of one company (Haliburtan) the safety systems couldn’t handle the extreme pressure and as they say the rest is history.
Money over human life
"Kelly's Heroes"
So what could of saved their lives ? You didn’t explain it
I think the supported underframe for the diving bell?
10:29 maybe? not really sure either
No strobe flash, and the crew removed the transponder from the bell to track it. He did explain it.
@@Thomas_____ should be illegal to remove the transponder and a strobe WITH a backup strobe should be mandatory especially with how dark it would be at those depths.
bet those companies lobbied against such laws being put in place or the fines are just too small
Being able to drop the clump weight from inside the bell.