Budget Storage Server 2022! | 84TB NAS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 เม.ย. 2022
- Welcome to my latest video featuring my new 84tb storage server for 2022! Let me know what you think in the comments below!
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I love how 84TB is considered to be a "budget server"
I mean I'm sure it's within someone's budget but maybe not mine or yours lol. Either way it was an informative video. 👍
my man earned his like on this one for the full hazmat suit 😂
Done like 😂
Video didn't even load yet but I'll leave a like too in that case
th-cam.com/video/cpt6rR7seRM/w-d-xo.html finally its here
1 like for the Naruto soundtrack and video editing 🤣
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*Matt* Yes, 10 gbps networking and SSD cache video in the future please. Thank you for producing this piece.
I don't think there is a way to use a SSD with ZFS / TrueNAS ...
@@Felix-ve9hs there is. When you create a pool you can select a cache drive. I'm using 4tb hard drives in my nas and a 500gb m.2 nvme ssd as cache
and by future he means next week. and by next week i mean now, as this video is already weeks old
@@kyu3474 Lawrence Systems has a good video on zfs caches, boils down to this: cache in ram has a order of magnitude lower latency than other options. You should start thinking about ssd/optane cache only if you get low hit rate for you ram cache.
And as always it all depends on your use case, if you pull random video files and you watch them once cache won't help you much.
If you run vm's or docker containers I would first max out ram and only when hit ratio drops would add l2arc.
BTW Matt: did you pick TrueNas Core over Scale for a reason?
10GBit is to expensive, there are like $20-$25 2.5GBit network cards on PCI-e x1/USB3 which work with CAT. 5e cables.
I don't think that any modern HDD will exceed ~300MiB/s even in RAID/ZFS.
9:18 WD doesn't do that to discourage people to shuck the drives.
It's an actual enterprise feature, when you have multiple servers with 100s of drive each, you don't want them to spin up all of them once, with that pin number 3, you can schedule drives to spin up in order, so that you don't have massive power spike trying to turn on your servers by all the drives trying to spinning up at once.
How do you know that
@@raidone7413 many nas and enterprise hardware boot drives(and other devices with high load on the PSU/s ) one at a time or by pairs of them ,to avoid exactly the same ,power spikes are a dangerous and real problem due to power supplies features like overcurrent protection and overload protection. imagine the power spike if you boot 25 drives @15k RPM at the same time... . On the other side ,if they really would like to avoid shucking ,belive me there are easier ,cheaper and better options like firmware checks or propietary connectors instead of standart sata port on drives. in fact i shucked 4*8TB wd drives and i did nothing about the 3.3 pin ,cause my ASUSTOR nas use the drives without any mod :)
@@raidone7413 Most of the bigger WD external drives are just using their enterprise internal drives. They used to not even replace the labels and were reds before switching to the white label like 3 or 4 years ago. Also the 3.3v pin feature just isn't compatible with most consumer brand PSUs, that's the reason they don't spin up.
@@raidone7413 This is the same reason why corps like google are making their own way to boot up their linux machines. cuz it take ages for each to spin up and bring to life.
The 3.3v pin isn't to prevent shucking. Those externals actually use that pin to hard reboot the drive if it freezes for some reason. A lot of NAS systems also support that pin to do the same thing. It has a purpose... it just isn't a widely used option in desktop systems, so they don't usually support that pin.
I applaud your integrity - and your technical prowess; thank you!
I watched your older video, and I'm very happy to see this update.. I can't wait to see you making more home server videos
I've been looking for a server video like this and haven't been able to find any good ones. This is exactly what I was looking for. Tha k you for the content. It was a super good video!
As an enterprise storage admin for a global media company, when it comes to determining how many parity drives you want, you also want to take into account rebuild times and the potential to have another failure while you are rebuilding. The larger the drive, the longer the rebuild time.
Yes, given 200MB/s-240MB/s read/write average like HC530(14TB), read/write all content on single drive will take about 1 day in full capacity. For HOME NAS, due to the number of drives, the rebuild process can be quite long. EC based solution like minio is much better than RAID based solution but I didn't see much NAS package provide that option.
in addittion to a RAID rebuild putting more stress on the drives. Well said though.
Yes, really long rebuild time + you have to have a spare drive to swap, and not wait on it being shipped
With that in mind, what would you suggest? Less parity drives, or smaller drives? Both?
Ur videos are real gold man.
So much detail ....
You can get rid of the front I/O errors by grounding the sense/ID pins on the motherboard headers. I'd suggest soldering small wires to the backside of the board under the header if you actually want to use the ports for your case's front I/O. If not, then just use some jumper wires to attach to the pins directly on the header.
For the USB 2.0 header, short pin 10 to either pin 7 or 8.
For the USB 3.0 header, short pin 10 to any of the following: 4, 7, 13, 17.
For the Audio header. short pins 2 and 4.
For the 1394 Firewire, HP used a proprietary header, so you'll need to either plug in an HP front I/O module and stuff it somewhere in the case, or search the forums to see if anyone reverse engineered the pinout so you can know which pins to short.
As for the fans well, just add a couple case fans and use those headers.
You're a life saver - I've been looking for this information desperately
Edit: Some more research yielded this video, which is also useful - th-cam.com/video/c8G97FlI2QA/w-d-xo.html
Hp proprietary IO is the wrench in this build. Also, a thermal sensor is present on the HP Z workstations that need to remain plugged into the mobo for transplant viability.
building a NAS as I watch this; amazingly in the exact same case also bought used local for the same reasons as you. I love the component selection, like you said you're way more about it than the big boi yters. Was able to snag eight 4TB Seagate 5900RPM Skyhawk drives for $35 per, paired with an X299 MSI Raider board ($120 used local), and a $200 ebay i9-7900X cooled by a $40 ThermalRight FC140 that performs neck to neck with an NHD-15. Nowhere near your 84TB but your hoarding habit is worse than mine. Subbed, hype for more!
This video was worth liking just for the PC-Cleaning-Jutsu. But on a more serious note, it's nice to see people doing practical builds that a wider audience can make themselves. Great work.
Damn, Matt ... You are freaking hilarious ... 6:18 ... I loved that brief intermission of humor, creativity, and ingenuity ... Glad I subbed. Haven't watched much lately, but I'll come back & keep up.
love your video dude. have been working with servers for 20+ years they are so much fun you gained a subscriber
The cleaning jutsu.... laughed my butt off you have a new subscriber now......
Dude! You have inspired me!! I have watched this video before but didn't realize the motherboard. I have had a 420 system for 10 years now. I upgraded the CPU to e5-2660(?) and up to 24gigs. After transferring it to another case, I did have to get the adapter cable for the power. I have found that if you jump certain pins on the front USB, firewire, etc., those errors go away on startup. If you want the fans not to ramp up, pins 11, 12, and 5 are a thermal sensor. I found mine in the original case and ripped it out, soooooooo much quite! Thanks again for your hard work.
Hi Matt: Thanks for the video. I am looking to archive a lot of 4K video footage and am just now exploring storage options. So I really appreciate the info you presented in the video. Thanks again.
Okay the " PC Cleaning Jutsu" part was completely unexpected and absolutely phenomenal.
Interestingly enough, Western Digital is currently (April 2022) pushing out a lot of both Red Pro and Gold 16TB drives for $299.00... they must be getting ready to release a newer, larger capacity drive and need the warehouse space.
Just don’t get anything but red pro. Anything below that is junk now
@@ghost-user559 not really
@@quazar912 Yes they have a different design for drives that is incapable of being used in a raid array or Nas. They literally got caught using inferior drives without telling customers about it. After that they “promised” that they would keep the Pro line as the only line with raid and Nas compatibility.
@@ghost-user559 How about WD Red Plus ?
@@tjhana I think it’s only the pro they kept the quality of. Look up “SMR drives”. And read people’s experiences and horror stories. They have a very slow transfer speed once you get to a certain amount of data. It’s like they will seem fine but then take 14 hours transferring data that should have taken 4 hours. They can’t be raided or used in a NAS as a result. Only the Pro is the original quality.
Thumb's up for covering the 3rd pin with tape. Really useful information.
Thank you. Another Good video. Straight to the point with sum LoLz 🙏
Awesome video Matt!
Great video! Very entertaining and relaxing to watch.
Love this content Matt.
Great vid Matt, looks like a great project.
I only subscribe to a new channel like once every 2 years. You earned a sub for the pc cleaning jutsu.
Nice work and keeping it down to earth
I was actually looking at this same case for my future NAS build.
Love the way everything is setup in these things.
Awesome video man!🏆
Name of the case? I couldn’t understand what he was calling the case
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@@noahemmitt Fractal Design Define R4 (Turning on CC (Closed Caption) is great!)
This is a great guide! Thank you!
as for now, its the best home NAS build, cheap with a lot of features. thank you
Very cool. I'm looking into making my own NAS, but I only have 3, 3TB HDD and 2, 12 TB HDD. I enjoyed this video and learned a lot.
This route suits me more than a blade type server. Thanks for this and I will be interested to see any updates for this as well.
This seems like a scam. What is the stuff to win?
I'm so glad there's another Matt out there who made their server IP end in .69 as well :D
Count me in for requesting the upgrades. I went with the same drives on Black Friday, could only afford three since I was still Christmas shopping. I went with the Molex to SATA solution since my NAS is at its core an archiving file server. It won’t be on for extended periods. I also believe that these drives have different firmware from the Reds, and chose to just using Basic as opposed to RAID. I have no idea how these would stand up to rebuilding a pool.
Was looking at buying an off the shelf storage server, but wanted to see if a DIY project was within my scope. Thanks to your insight and excellent presentation skills, looks like I will go down the DIY path and save some major $$$. Thank you so much!
Yes, NAS servers are over-price and low spec. The worst part is that they are limited and expensive in extending drive capacity. The 4 bay extension can be sold at $500 or more, this can cost almost 60% of hard drive. This is ridiculous. The rack mount chassis is too loud to be used as HOME NAS. TBH, any NAS vendor should provide option for new drive extension in less than $20. That fits the nature of home NAS(incremental/annual spending without much planning)
Amazing video hope to see more!!!!
Thanks for the demo and info. I have version 1 running in my garage, great build. I might have to build v2 to run truenas scale. Have a great day
i love that case! its treated me so well
This is going to inspire my next server!
Awesome video! TY!
Great video. I have a PC that I build around 2012 in a big Cooler Master Tower case with i7 CPU that was very fast and just stopped using about a month ago. It was using 10 drives for 40TB. Now I am thinking of repurpose that as a NAS setup like yours.
Very interesting and insightful. You put in a lot of work on this build. I have been considering doing the same thing myself. Just haven't made the jump yet.
Awesome upload 💯
Would love to see a video about setting up things like next cloud on the server as well as a game server and how you set up your modem to allow traffic from outside while keeping your data safe!
Inspiring walkthrough! Gotta do something like that... 👍
The PC cleaning part got me to sub immediately
Nice video, was really helpful and easy to follow. Looking forward to upgrades to the box and possibly would you be considering using truenas scale to fully utilize upgraded machine? Thanks
really like this budget server build, that case has a huge number of HDD space :o
Thanks for the nostalgia trip back to Naruto, it's been a while since I last saw that series.
Very good points.
Thanks
Looks awesome !!!
I have the exact sane case for my home server! I love it
Quite a good video, and the first one i saw that adresses the active-low pin on salvaged USB hard drives.
Ive build a NAS myself a few Months back with a "Node 804" Case which supports 8 hanging HDs in a small form factor (though i had to print out an additional fan holder for in between the HD cages because the disks got too warm).
In the end i installed 9 HDDs for storage and one m.2 for the OS.
Since our electricity is the most expensive in the world (0,3 - 0,35 €/kWh -> ~0.35 USD/kWh) i cant let it run 24/7, so i configured it with WOL (Wake on Lan).
If i need the storage, i simply ping it with a "magic packet", and when im done i execute a special ssh script which logs into the machine and shuts it down. a bit of work in the beginning, but easy to use once its all configured.
I'd really like to see you add game servers like Minecraft, etc. that you mentioned. Great video!
NIce glad i found this - im about to use my Fractel Design Case to create my NAS
love the build, big fan of the old hp z420 for rebuilds!
Would love to see more on this server! Love that you bought alot of used hardware! Was the hdd new or used?
Great tip on the HDDs
6:18 this made me subscribe to the channel... and also the great information in this video 😂
The power disable pin is part of the sata spec. The general intent is by using supporting controllers to remotely hard reset or shutdown drives in the same way pulling the power would.
Drives intended for retail do not have the feature as they are directly connected to the power supply, thus the pin would be always active and the drive wouldn't turn on.
Drive manufactures make both drives with and without power disable, and distribute to the appropriate channels.
When these portable drives are made whatever is available is used. This is why you can end up with an assortment of drive types, and in your case some with and without power disable.
Don't know how they choose the drives, maybe what ever if coming off the line, or the one there is excess of, or even the ones that are slightly under preforming, but the ones with power disable are likely better as they where not originally destined for the retail market.
Shucking already voids the warranty, if they cared to stop the practice they would just use a custom firmware that would only work with the adapter or even go further and pair the two as that would defeat flashing a normal firmware to the drive.
Ah, so does the USB adapter in the WD shell set that pin to ground? Or just not connect it at all?
The real problem isn't shucked WD drives powering off, it's damn PSU manufactures STILL putting a 3.3v rail on their SATA cables. I have no idea why almost all PSUs still do it, when it has been depreciated.
First thing I do when I get a new PSU (after testing) is remove the wire from all the included SATA cables. I hate getting screwed by a cable with 3.3v when I don't realize right away the damn cable is just disabling the drive. :D
@@PeterBrockie I don't know, but isn't it there for compatibility reasons? I would guess that some old hardware still requires this 3.3V rail. Just because modern devices (including drives) step down the voltage onboard doesn't mean it's not part of the spec or it's not necessary for some devices.
@@comedyclub333 Molex connectors use 12v + 5v. When SATA came around I think the idea was to add 3.3v since a lot of ICs ran 3.3v instead of 5v at the time, and they could just directly run off that rail. But what ended up happening is essentially zero devices used the 3.3v rail because ICs got lower and lower in voltage (modern CPUs are under a volt) and it was easier to just use a local power regulator to change the 5v into 1.2v or whatever. CPUs use 12v input and your VRM lowers it to the ~0-2v (depending on hardware).
They changed the spec into making it a shutdown pin simply because it was never actually used in drives. I have no idea why PSUs still have it other than they are often based on older designs (I don't think even motherboards use 3.3v these days).
@@PeterBrockie 95-99% of ICs are 3.3v nowadays.
CPUs & GPUs are forced to use lower voltage because there are billions - trillions transistors inside that all add up to hundreds of amps current consumption.
The higher the voltage, the more power draw and thus heat, less efficient they are.
It is only more expensive to produce lower voltage logic ICs because it requires much smaller physical transistor sizes and expensive fabs.
Thanks again!
That was a solid jutsu
Awesome cleaning ninjutsu. Kakashi would be proud. I would definitely be interested in seeing more from the home NAS story. I'm setting one up myself just for peace of mind for memories, games, etc. Great stuff, brudda.
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Great video, thanks! Good content, good videography and recording, and fantastic pace of relevant, accurate info! Thanks Matt. I do need to ask - where can I get a worktop mat like yours, which shows motherboard sizing guides and USB pin layouts, please?
My "server" is the same HP Z420 workstation. It is a very good choice. I have 80GB of ECC RAM since it has an Xeon processor. I also have a SAS controller to handle my NAS drives.
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I just built a NAS myself. I used a Microserver Gen8 for it as I could get it relatively cheap and I wanted remote management and a compact design. I used the SCALE-version of TrueNAS as it runs on top of Linux and you can use Dockers and VMs there. And if I find another server of the same model for cheap, I could even connect them together.
Also I can recommend using a Ventoy stick if you have a bigger stick and want to install different operating systems from it as you have a menu there where you can select one of the ISOs you put on the drive before. There is a partition where you can simply copy the ISOs onto and delete them later. No need for burning them to the stick and wait for that process to finish.
So this came out in perfect timing. Great tip on striping the external drives. Never seen that before. But I'll only subscribe if you do the upgrade video. 😝
I was never a fan of shucking externals to rig up a server. I just buy used sas drives and LSI controllers from ebay.. works well. This last go around I bought new HGST/WD sas drives, but used an intel i7 11700 and B series motherboard.. added 10gb nics to all my servers and torrent box, main pc, etc. Couldn't be happier with it. Fast and stable. The 11700 I bought for transcoding without a gpu, and the IGP is more than enough.
First time you find out you're network adapter dies on you, you'll be really glad you have that video card for on-system troubleshooting.
84TB Nice!... planning to do this in the future for hoarding stuff...
Jeff from Craft Computing would be Proud Matt !!
great stuff!
I have the same chassis, bought some years back. You can add up to two extra disk modules in there with room for three drives each, taking some space for PCIe, obviously, but that may be worth it. I'm using an LSI SAS controller for my drives, in addition to the onboard SATA ports. All drives are SATA, though, but SAS controllers support SATA as well as SAS.
PS: You can move those rubbery gaskets around if you slide them aside and pop them out to fit all screws. At least, that has worked with all the drives I've tested so far.
What's the chassis model number?
Cool. Good job
i have the same case with fewer drives but it already resonates like crazy
This is a good NAS build!
Stiff brush that comes with keyboard cleaning kit is perfect for quickly cleaning PC & AC air filters
Matt, you forgot about other content creators that get help from sponsors and get a fully build server with ALL the drives that will populate the server. And they also get a lot of MB since tey are sponsered and in some cases they don't even monetize these pices of hardware. So in all they get a ton of freebee they have it easy to build what ever they want. Unlike you or I, we need to buy these parts on a small budget. And It's not easy, I know that!
Thanks a lot. I m building one as my requirements are very similar.
Great stuff, planning my own NAS soon and I'll consider that motherboard you chose (although I don't like the idea of using an adapter for the main board power, but it's probably fine). I would have gone with a better power supply personally, something running 24/7 storing a lot of data you want something real reliable. I'm not an expert in PSU's, but there's a PSU tier list on the cultists network that's quite well done and I'd stick to anything Tier A on there (Corsair RMX PSU's are a great option). Look forward to future updates on this server! (would love to see you show off a dual purpose, like running a game server alongside it as you mentioned)
Oh and if you want a great SSD(s) at a great price keep an eye out for Best Buy Geek Squad refurbished Samsung 870 EVO's, the 500GB model sometimes goes on sale for $40 and 1TB model for $70. Despite the "refurbished" name they almost always have very little usage, highly recommended
Great video Matt! I definitely recommend Truenas. ZFS Pools are mainly what I was after. It’s been rock solid on my 12 bay Supermicro server. Currently have 8 WD 8TB reds in raid z3.
Nice! sounds like a great setup.
Truenas is only useful if you have unlimiyed funds to buy boxes of new drives every time. For normal people unraid is vastly superior
@@SupremeRuleroftheWorld Could you elaborate on that, please? Why would TrueNas require "unlimited funds to buy boxes of new drives every time"? Every time what?
@@3nertia i dare you to put in 1 new drive to expande storage
@@SupremeRuleroftheWorld WHY!?
3.3v pin is power disable feature from WD and it is not to prevent shuck. It is hard to just mask the 3rd pin as it is very small. You can actually mask all the 3 pins from left not just the 3rd one, this is much better to do. Standard 3M electric tap should do the work.
Well made video.
great video
HP workstation boards like the Z-400 and Z-420, etc. are notorious for hanging on boot if you don't have all the hardware connected that was originally in the workstation. On the fan headers, you can jumper one of the pins to ground to fool it into thinking the proper fan is connected. On the front USB, and front 1394 error, it's easiest to keep the front USB/1394 cluster and cables, and connect it and just stuff it in the case somewhere. I used a Z-400 board in a nice build with a Lian Li all aluminum full tower case, and ran into these very same issues. With the Z-400, I found that the m/b tray from the original workstation is the best way to mount the board into an alternate case, as it already has the I/O shield integrated into the tray, and the mounts for the CPU cooler, and it will make all the ports and slots line up where they should be, in a generic case.😉 Hope this helps.
I built a NAS a few years ago and used Proxmox because I couldn't get TruNAS to work hosting VMs properly. I used desktop hardware and it's been working well for quite a while (5-6 years? I think). But now I want to build a new one with more space and maybe server hardware. This has some good tips. Craft Computing is a good source of information on this type of build.
Good sht bro …… thanks for the gems 💎
This is a data hoarder's dream!
I seriously need to get one of those. The sata ports on several of my PCs are completely maxed and I got around 50 TB of redundancy
Yes Matt, I would love to see an upgrade video would be GREAT! Thank you for this.
interesting board. it even has the pinout spot near where NB would be for the breakout board for 2nd cpu and ram boards. ive never seen one without that bridge
I was given A Dell PE R210 II just a month ago then a month later I suddenly have an R620 and T410 in an 18RU server rack. I have a PC Case I was thinking of building a gaming PC but I don't think it's going to happen anymore. 😃This video has given me ideas and will be hunting for parts soon.
i ll be waiting for the ssd cache video, it would be nice to see if with 10 gig network how close is it to a local drive. thanks for the content
That is a great and silent case. I happen to have one too and wanted to mention, that there is dust filter on bottom too. Didn't see you pulling it out during the clean up, so you might want to check how that looks. If it is as dusty as your front panel filter was, I bet your power source won't get much airflow ;) You can pull the filter out from front side. Just grab the "bottom" of the case (below the door) with your fingers and slide the filter module toward yourself.
I have the same case and love it!
@@zobertson which case is this? where can I find it?
@@garycarr8467 I don't think they make it anymore. He referenced what it was in the video at one point
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🙂 thats pretty neat, thanks for all the tips, maybe one day i'll do something similar, i'll start out with 2 drives just to see how it works out, can u make some more on the server when u learn something new, thx
True NAS is great! Been using it and free Nas for many years now
Just so you know...the only reason I subscribed is because of your "PC Cleaning Jutsu" bit 🤣