Stay safe out there!.. i have lost 2 fire fighter friends here in Portugal... I am shocked that the fire shelters are so easy to rip and so thin. i find it pretty shameful that you guys and girls go into a burning hell and they only give you those, surely a few more grams wont hurt to make them thicker/better if it is all you have to stand a chance. I felt a tear in my eye when they guy said they heard her voice
Should have never started knowing the repeaters weren't functioning properly. Whether your off forest or not you have the choice to say no if your worried about your safety.
Can we not invent a radio repeater drone, they can set this to hover a over the crews and relay radio signals across the fire site. You could have a string of them running from control centre across the fire. Just drag and drop satnav style operation
We do that with aircraft in normal SAR. I have heard about drones being used the only issue is that there battery life isn't too long. So you get about 2 hours of comms out of one charge.
They survived because of the distance from the crown fire. You need apx. 500 feet distance from the nearest burnable fuel. Near water is even better. If your tinfoil cover melts, jump in the creek! Flame is 100 feet, and the heat above the flame is another 50 feet. 50mph wind can make the flame reach out horizontally 100 feet. If you are within 100 feet, your are going to be breathing 900 degree hot air (or hotter). Oxygen is also going to be depleted above the flame and this is also what you will be inhaling. 500 feet from any burnable fuel (this includes low to the ground bushes).
Just watched a video about 2 guys clearing the forest breaks on approaching fire, fire chief went to see if they were ok and the fire turned on them, they had less than 500 feet and surrounded by tall trees.... they all survived, thank god!
A Fire Use Module (now called Wildland Fire Modules) is a smaller crew (usually 7-10 folks) that specializes in remote operations, and are frequently assigned to fires that aren't fully suppressed (there's a ton of terms for these types of fires). I'm not sure what 'load target' is. At what time in the video did you hear it? I've missed it each time i've re-watched it. Alex
@@WildfirelessonsNet It was in part one - it was the amount of forest they approved to let burn, in this case 100,000 acres. About have the forest was standing dead timber, so they were hoping to clear. Unfortunately, one of the detailers, Monica Zajnac, died less than one month later.
LCES might even be unfamiliar to you if your last season was in 1994. Funny, 1994 was my Rookie Season and the day I completed WFF Type 2 Training was the day 14 Fire fighters died at Storm King(South Canyon). I had dinner with my grandparents that night and before we all sat down to say Grace my grandfather took me into the living room and sat me down in front of the TV which was off for dinnertime. He asked me if I was absolutely certain Wildfire was what I wanted to do for a career? Especially being 17 years old? I said YUP! 100%, right then he turned on the living room TV; on CNN 14 die today in Tragic Wildfire in Colorado! Nine from Prineville Oregon(we lived in Bend, Oregon). Later in my career I spoke to Eric Hipke who barely survived that Incident. He was severely burned. In fact his exhaled screaming saved his life. As he sprinted over the ridge while on fire he let out a scream and that exhale prevented him sucking in superheated air which would’ve burned his lungs killing him.
Kevlar? There has to be something more durable and efficient than the shelters currently in use. I'm not a fire fighter. But I am a good taxpayer. (I pay a lot) And I sure don't mind my tax dollars spent on the absolute BEST equipment available for our first responders. A 4x4 atv for each person? I don't know. But we owe it to the people who protect us the best tools for the job.
Kevlar isn’t an option because it melts at a pretty low temperature- especially compared to the temps they’re exposed to when deployment shelters are used. As far as atvs go it’s a good idea in theory but these men are navigating areas where it’s just not possible to bring an atv. At times they’ll hike straight up rock walls/ down rock faces etc.
ChrisNVegas There’s always a trade off when it comes to the gear these first responders are able to pack. They’re generally in rough terrain often on foot and already carrying a lot of weight.
Or at least make them to not rip and make them twice as thick........ thats all these poor souls have between life and 1000 degrees and get paid peanuts, i find it rather shameful they are sent out with such little protection.
Modern tinfoil is typically aluminum. The issue is that at the thickness necessary to be plausible to carry and deploy quickly, it’s thin enough that very little heat will make the metal brittle enough to puncture from the wind.
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my volunteer department dismissed youtube videos as training, but I learn more here than our in-house monthly training.
Stay safe my friend, best wishes for you and your fellow volunteers
I learned about a deployment one time and then had that same case study presented to me twice that same week
Stay safe out there!.. i have lost 2 fire fighter friends here in Portugal... I am shocked that the fire shelters are so easy to rip and so thin. i find it pretty shameful that you guys and girls go into a burning hell and they only give you those, surely a few more grams wont hurt to make them thicker/better if it is all you have to stand a chance.
I felt a tear in my eye when they guy said they heard her voice
Should have never started knowing the repeaters weren't functioning properly. Whether your off forest or not you have the choice to say no if your worried about your safety.
The video of them after they deployed is very Erie
eerie
Can we not invent a radio repeater drone, they can set this to hover a over the crews and relay radio signals across the fire site. You could have a string of them running from control centre across the fire. Just drag and drop satnav style operation
We do that with aircraft in normal SAR. I have heard about drones being used the only issue is that there battery life isn't too long. So you get about 2 hours of comms out of one charge.
Extreme high winds are probably why they don’t do this
So...who the hell was taking pictures while everyone else was deploying?
I’ve wondered about this before. A bit more research, and I found that it’s actually really common.
They survived because of the distance from the crown fire. You need apx. 500 feet distance from the nearest burnable fuel. Near water is even better. If your tinfoil cover melts, jump in the creek! Flame is 100 feet, and the heat above the flame is another 50 feet. 50mph wind can make the flame reach out horizontally 100 feet. If you are within 100 feet, your are going to be breathing 900 degree hot air (or hotter). Oxygen is also going to be depleted above the flame and this is also what you will be inhaling. 500 feet from any burnable fuel (this includes low to the ground bushes).
Just watched a video about 2 guys clearing the forest breaks on approaching fire, fire chief went to see if they were ok and the fire turned on them, they had less than 500 feet and surrounded by tall trees.... they all survived, thank god!
Recording all radio traffic with someone monitoring a 10 second delay?
if you can not get good radio connection, try to reach a higher point and try holding the radio at a different Angele
My last season was the year of South Canyon. Consequently, some terms are new to me : fire use modules; load target (or something) Can you explain?
A Fire Use Module (now called Wildland Fire Modules) is a smaller crew (usually 7-10 folks) that specializes in remote operations, and are frequently assigned to fires that aren't fully suppressed (there's a ton of terms for these types of fires).
I'm not sure what 'load target' is. At what time in the video did you hear it? I've missed it each time i've re-watched it. Alex
@@WildfirelessonsNet It was in part one - it was the amount of forest they approved to let burn, in this case 100,000 acres. About have the forest was standing dead timber, so they were hoping to clear. Unfortunately, one of the detailers, Monica Zajnac, died less than one month later.
LCES might even be unfamiliar to you if your last season was in 1994. Funny, 1994 was my Rookie Season and the day I completed WFF Type 2 Training was the day 14 Fire fighters died at Storm King(South Canyon). I had dinner with my grandparents that night and before we all sat down to say Grace my grandfather took me into the living room and sat me down in front of the TV which was off for dinnertime. He asked me if I was absolutely certain Wildfire was what I wanted to do for a career? Especially being 17 years old? I said YUP! 100%, right then he turned on the living room TV; on CNN 14 die today in Tragic Wildfire in Colorado! Nine from Prineville Oregon(we lived in Bend, Oregon). Later in my career I spoke to Eric Hipke who barely survived that Incident. He was severely burned. In fact his exhaled screaming saved his life. As he sprinted over the ridge while on fire he let out a scream and that exhale prevented him sucking in superheated air which would’ve burned his lungs killing him.
Feel like I’m listening to a college lecture from Ben Stein
Kevlar? There has to be something more durable and efficient than the shelters currently in use.
I'm not a fire fighter. But I am a good taxpayer. (I pay a lot) And I sure don't mind my tax dollars spent on the absolute BEST equipment available for our first responders. A 4x4 atv for each person? I don't know. But we owe it to the people who protect us the best tools for the job.
Kevlar isn’t an option because it melts at a pretty low temperature- especially compared to the temps they’re exposed to when deployment shelters are used. As far as atvs go it’s a good idea in theory but these men are navigating areas where it’s just not possible to bring an atv. At times they’ll hike straight up rock walls/ down rock faces etc.
ChrisNVegas There’s always a trade off when it comes to the gear these first responders are able to pack. They’re generally in rough terrain often on foot and already carrying a lot of weight.
Or at least make them to not rip and make them twice as thick........ thats all these poor souls have between life and 1000 degrees and get paid peanuts, i find it rather shameful they are sent out with such little protection.
tinfoil never burns, so, why not use it in the design?
Jesusandbible the air temp blisters your esophagus and fills your lungs with fluid
Tinfoil is used to cook steaks
Tinfoil burns
Modern tinfoil is typically aluminum. The issue is that at the thickness necessary to be plausible to carry and deploy quickly, it’s thin enough that very little heat will make the metal brittle enough to puncture from the wind.
Blame it on the packer all you want you all went up knowing there wouldn't be any comms