DIY Backyard Shed | Framing a Gable Roof
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Pls help, what kind of screws can I use where the rafter meet at the top to the long board instead of nails?
"its NOT a race" 25 minutes later, storm shows up, he is Racing to finish up🤣🤣🤣
Personally I like a overhang to keep water off the sides. Keeps mold/mildew at bay and virtually eliminates leaks.
2’ to 3’ overhang is ideal to protect siding, and ability to keep windows open during rain, to keep sunlight off interior surfaces, furniture, storage items, etc.
@@allanyoza723 yup! My house is made that way.
Correct. They're not just for looks.
I'd rather overbuild than underbuild. You guys are doing fine.
This is one hell of a good series, Jeff
Thank you Ted! Cheers!
it's a good series for showing what NOT to do.
@@headcas620 Doing a whole lotta yappin with little substance there buddy
@tedsteiner don't let the haters bother you Ted. Cheers!
@@headcas620can you elaborate? Would you please highlight some of the improper things in the video, or are you full of shit?
For everyone's reference, hurricane ties go on the outside of the building to prevent role over of the top plate during lift. It doesn't matter in this case because you would also need straps from the top plate to the wall 2x4s and to the foundation. His install is fine for a shed but it instills a technique you can't use anywhere else.
Wish I knew someone who could come to my house and walk me through home repairs.
its just a shed, its just a shed 🤣I love this Channel. Thanks for all your information and teachings Jeff and shout out to Matt
For framing, we typically hold back the 3/4" on the first stud or rafter to hit the 4' or 8' material edge. And it would have been easier to set that ridge board 1/4" off center to make the rafters all the same length. Just some thoughts for the viewers.
Yup, that's why you see him scab on extra wood later when his layout doesn't line up!
Great to see you two laughing and building. And the blocking, Matt did a great job with 5 nails. Just becouse thats what i would do.🙂👍
We are definitely in a great place. Love working with Matt!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY 🙂
I'm not used to no birds mouth and an overhang, personally a steeper pitch as well but looks good!
Pitch kinda depends on the roof covering and local regs might limit the height of building. I'm guessing he skipped the birds mouth to make this a simpler DIY example
21:40 Good point. Especially important when hiring contractors to redo a asphalt shingle roof. Say if some of the roof decking was needing replacement and was removed. And then they started dropping bundles of shingles on the ridge, shaking the whole house with every drop. A few days after the job is complete, it's windy out and you hear some strange sounds on the side of the house. You go out back to have a look, and surprise, ten feet of the aluminum soffit has dropped out of place and is blowing in the breeze. Fun. Is that section of the wall no longer plumb now because of the dropping of stacks of shingles on the ridge. They did that while some of the decking was removed. Don't know. But all the movement caused by that, resulted in an additional problem. Russian roofing crew. Nail gun Vlad was fast. So fast, the upon checking the underside areas in the attic where new decking was laid down, the nailing of the decking completely missed the roof framing. I guess that is why it's called air nailing.
Your siding looks good i did notice it is dropped a bit, we try to focus on our transfers a little more intently. It doesnt look bad or anything but i did notice. But in all honesty you can see siding dropped like that or worse on professional jobs sometimes so 👍.
Its cool to see you educate people on screw sheer strength vs nail. Thats good advice.
People think industry standard is the only proper way to do things when it is simply the bare minimum required by code. This shed roof will last longer than most roofs you’ll find in tract homes and even a lot of custom builds.
Yep. There’s always tradesmen haters on the comment threads in this channel 😂.
It’s all about DIY, passing code, and $ vs practicality! Jeff is the man.
I would have accomplished far less in my life if I let naysayers keep me from just firing away. I prefer to ask for forgiveness, not permission… and it’s brought me a long way.
Exactly. Noob accounts literally just created being rude.
I can't stand that. Probably why I never post anything I do on TH-cam. The peanut gallery.
I'd get banned, for sure. 😂
My man my man! You tought me a lot with this video!! Especially with the smaller tips great video, thanks!!
You keep saying , it s just a shed , but for me is looking pretty damn good!!! 👋 👋
Greetings from South Africa 🇿🇦. Hey Jeff and Matt. Build coming along nicely. 👍. Good teamwork
Cheers to South Africa!
8:10 If you flip the scrap piece so it's on the side, you cut a smaller piece (less waste).
This is the 4th video you've filmed in this location. I just realized at the 20:25 mark that this is at the church build site. Great job Jeff, didn't recognize it from the ground shots, only once I saw the stepple on the roof.
super SMART, put blocking in BEFORE roof boards👍👍
You make it easy as hell...Thanks!!
my last house, I was about to attempt extending patio roof. I wanted it to match roof slope. Used no Math or anything. my idea, I took short 12" piece of 2x4. held it vertical to roofs edge. put a dot on right edge, on low end. Put dot on left edge high side. Drew line conncting dots. [ \ ] cut the angle. flipped board over on 2 "planes"-🔄🔃. it created roofs pitch😁😁
If you are worried about the roof bowing the walls, just use a stronger ridge beam on posts. Load is transferred thru the ridge beam and posts. That way you don't need to use collars and you can have an open vaulted ceiling, more space for storage.
Your videos are great. Thank you so much
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Thank you!
Cheers!
Muy buena conducción con la diputada, inteligente, educada, profesional y muy intelectual, felicidades a ambos y bendiciones.
A chis.
Para este video es el comentario?
30:00 "Toenail, toenail.. off you go!" Pointing it using a variety of fingers, lol, I can't wait to use that on my coworkers.
Don't feel bad about that rafter blocking. It is still technically a structural element in that location as a load path transfer mechanism of any lateral loading from the roof sheathing down to the top plate and into the shear resisting wall below. Not quite a super critical element for a small shed like this, but the "bonus" nails weren't totally wasted as they will increase the structural redundancy of the overall system ✌
Good event Monster and Mrs Monster. Gym looks great
Hi Jeff and Matt, love your team work.
Few questions:
1. What if you cut rafters shorter and then use one piece of 2x4 instead of blocking pieces?
2. Is it not necessary to use any kind of rafter hanger on the ridge end?
3. Could you cut the end of the rafter in a way that it sits flush on your bottom plate to avoid the hurricane tie?
4. What size of construction screw do you use? Number/length
Cheers!
just trying to create a natural watershed so we don't have to seal it up waterproof. but your idea is a very legitimate solution. cut flush to the wall and use the 2x4 as a rim board to create the overhang. would have saved a ton of time for sure. In this video we are showing the traditional way in case you want a larger overhang with soffit. Cheers!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY A question in regards to this, and maybe it's something you've covered over the years and I missed it. Would like to build a similar shed, however I want to do my ridge board from front to back and then have a lean on each side. The question, is there a good and easy way to tie in the roof of the lean to the main structure?
I'd prefer to tie the roof together if possible, rather than nailing a board across the side of the shed and putting the lean joists on top of that. Hopefully that question makes sense.
Very cool
Man how many nails did you guys go through? A marvellous build
I like the instruction that you do very easy to understand
very clear. thank you.
Great info many thanks.
You go Matt. Taking on the channel ❤❤❤. I learn so much from you guys. Love what you do 🥰🥰
Love Having Matt working with me on the channel.
Simply the best craftsmanship.!!!! and very helpful.thank you
What made you chose shingles over metal for the roof? was it purely driven by cost or are there other factors to consider? Love this series btw. I'm planning to replicate this is the Spring.
id invest in MANY MANY clamps to do it myself😄
U guys have inspired me. Any chance u have a material list for this project?
I’d personally go one nail on either side of your block, diagonal into the rafter. Just needs to be pinned in if it’s cut tight enough; but it’s good that you go overkill when winging it, because too much is far better than not enough when you’re (or your client is) investing good money into a structure..
Belt & braces is never the wrong method, just sometimes less economical. It may cost more, but it’s that ‘extra effort & quality, over cost’ mentality that ensures ancient architectural marvels still stand today, while a modern day kit home will have perished within 50-70 years.
I'm just going to mention that the bay support beam on my 1930's house had a cut line right in the middle! There were cowboy builders back then too, lol 😸
I’m not a builder but watch a lot of these videos. I live in a house that was built in 1947 and noticed my ridge board in the attic is literally a 1/6 or 8. Was that common practice back then. Doesn’t seem like enough support to me. This house has made it through hurricanes and all kinds of stuff for so many years. I guess it’s fine
That's rough cut, hardwood, and older growth with tight grain. It's several times stronger than the trash, today. As long as everything is tied together well enough, it's not gonna blow away. It'll have to be ripped to shreds piece by piece.
And just remember it's only a shed 😂. Looks great, good job.
Cheers Fred!
use small clamps too hold tape measure to board
what gauge nails and nail gun do you use as got to build a new roof on my shed this year thanks for the informative video
On the back rafters, if you end up with a gap do you throw a screw in that as well at an angle?
Nice.
I just have to know; do you chuckle at the haters in the comments section or does it get to you at all or a little of both? I don’t think all the negative comments are warranted in large part. your awesome thank you for what you do and keep on rockin!! 🤘🏻
Good video
Jeff what size nails do you use for the roof plywood
Curious if you would recommend using an engineered 2x6x16' instead of natural lumber, it would get rid of the crowning issue, and it just seems to prevent a lot of problems, for a price premium that is relatively insignificant for one piece out of the project.
It really does just come down to cost/availability. Comparatively, the engineered beam will most likely cost 5x that of a regular 2x, so if you want to spend the money to make your life easier (and ridge stronger) go for it.
I get it, however availability for many folks just isn't reasonable. So I like to build showing the problems most folks will run into. but a great solution for sure if you can get one. Cheers!
it's just a shed but we still want it to look nice and last
I am planning on building a 10x16 bunkie but I am worried about 2x4 rafters in Ontario due to the snow load we get.
You mentioned 10ft as being the maximum height for compliance. However, you have already lifted you base off the ground by around 2ft meaning the total height from ground to ridge will be 12ft (assuming top plate to ridge is 2ft).
What size nails do you use to secure the plywood decking?
19:55 Those hurricane ties should be on the outside, notice that you are missing the bottom nail hole there? They should be nailed too but there are special screws that can be used (...noted that this is just a shed)
30:05 - “Just call me Lightnin’!”
Whoa. New camera! Looks great!
Very cinematic! What kind of camera is it?!?
using a pneumatic nailgun, P.P.E is of UTMOST Importance! safety Glasses‼🤓😎
Great series! The ending of this one was quite abrupt, though. I thought the playback got messed up. :P
I learn how make a. Roof. Tank you
How do I get the product list off the tv screen? It doesn’t show on the phone but when I cast the TV, it’s up there except during the commercials, of course
as the used to say in the A team "i do like it when a plan comes together",roy
I see that you're putting the hurricane ties into the rafters.. question if You're using ceiling joists and they're connected to your rafters. can you use the hurricane ties to attach to the ceiling joists??
you actually have to tie the rafter to the wall. the nails used to tie the joist to the rafter would have to be engineered otherwise.
Where’d you get the 7-1/2??? 😂😂. That’s me like 5th grade. I got it now 😂👊🏾
Weather is coming 😂😂😂😂
So you can use the hurricane ties instead of cutting out the birds mouth?
Using those hurricane brackets to avoid making a bird's mouth seems to increase the cost in order to avoid making that simple cut. I think if I was going to have a bracket on the rafter I would put it on the beam side to make working at the top easier by just setting the rafter "in the slot", so to speak, but you much more than me, a weekend amateur who is building a 10 x 16 shed, as we speak.
enjoy the build. Cheers!
Can you raise that crossmember higher so you could make more storage
The biggest issue is going to be the maximum roof height allowed by local zoning. Got to keep the bureaucrats happy.
I would like to see a roof that was flat but on a 30-degree slope, metal to the south (solar roof)
Exceptional build! So well explained and executed!
What a Dad and Son team!
I am planning to build a 16X 10 structure , with a 10X 8 loft, with a kitchenette and a bathroom with a barn door below the loft.
A side mounted staircase to the Loft.
Would you be willing to do drawings for me? All using Timber and marine ply .
More than willing to pay.
This is the most Canadian thing ive ever seen ....hosiers!
gable end doble RAFTER
Lay it out with chalk line on concrete a lot easier
Is shed coverage under storm covered if fema came out to help you recover here if a building not attached to main home it won’t be covered? Just saying.
First a hurricane would have to swing by and wizard of oz transport the entire shed across the border where FEMA could then decide what to do with it. :-)
Why is the Max hight to the Ridge 24" ... Why could it not be 44" in order to create a steeper Pitch if you wanted a wider overhang?
You have building inspectors for sheds? That's insane...
only if it gets too large . when can build up to 10x16' now without an inspection.
How much rain can an open structure take? I'm in Atlantic Canada and it rains all the time. Hard to spread out a build like this over free weekends.
As long as you let it dry out before enclosing it or let snow or ice stay on it for long you can go awhile.
one of the reasons we used PT plywood. It can be real rainy in the summer in Ottawa. build it and let it dry later. Cheers!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY I rather keep chemicals out but than again.
@24:06 You used a screw to suck in boards on the first side so they're flush, but didn't do that for the second side. I was thinking you were going to offset them and repeat the same thing on the other side. Why?
I appreciate the increase in audio production but could you guys please consider turning down the cricket sfx? It's a bit loud in the mix for anyone with decent high frequency speakers or headphones. Thanks!
I only use 12G outdoor extension cords. Even if I only need to go 6 inches and I only have a 25' 12g extension cord, that is what I am using. No use buying different gauge extension cords for different things. I buy 12 gauge and only 12 gauge.
If you're putting up all the front side rafters first, I'd think you at least need to sight down the ridge again to make sure it doesn't bow out.
Seeing the countryside around you, I could swear you were in Iowa. :-)
Good point. Trow a few rafters in the middle of the span or just alternate?
If your rafters didn't line up on the four quarters, how would you determine what's out of alignment? Beam, Walls or something else?.... Asking for a friend.
doesn't matter. just laminate a board to make it work. no one is giving a best in show award to the roof when it is finished. Cheers!
That would take trial and error to figure out.
1st thing I would do is measure width of walls and see if there is a difference, the way it's supposed to be done is you can pre cut rafters using math, cut your ridge to length and set all 4 corner rafters and slide your ridge into position and check level of the ridge, if your walls are true and level then ridge will be level.
I suspect the floor was built off level to begin with causing the ridge to be off.
What's the reason not to also make a little notch on the bottom part of the rafters to they lean on the topplate? (just curious, EU vieuwer who never uses wood, or if, most common is prefab stuff)
the art of cutting a birds mouth rafter is not something i expect most viewers to employ so why teach what folks are not going to be successful with. Cheers!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIYit would still be nice to know how to do. It may be required in some areas. Some local rules can be obnoxious. lol
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY Cutting a bird mouth is not an art that most DIYers cannot do.
to make 20 or 30 of them all exactly the same is a lot of work that is completely unnecessary if you use the hurricane brackets. My design saves time and does not sacrifice strength. Cheers!
Your voice reminds me of Red Green.
I prefer wider eaves on a roof.
Shouldn't you cut a birds mouth in the rafter where it meets the upper plate?
Why didn’t you lay out the rafter? Do know how?
38:37 how about 1/8 gap between sheets?
on such a short run you will find the expansion is not an issue. once you get 3 layers of osb on a roof it becomes critical. Cheers!
How much was all the material used for this project?
in total I think we spent around $4000.00
I'm a noob, so question - what was the reasoning for choosing not to do the birdsmouth cuts on the rafters?
He said to keep it as simple as possible for a DIYer.
Safety glasses
I'm trying to remember the different roof types: Lean to, Gable, Mansard, Gambrel, and Pagoda. I'm sure there are others as well. I know lean-to is single slope. Gable is 2 slopes. Mansard is 4 slopes. Gambrel has 2 slopes but changes angles. Pagodo has 4 curved slopes. Did I get that right? LOL.
Man, I'm glad I don't live in a city or anywhere near an HOA. I can make my roof slope whatever I want it to be. LOL. No neighbors are close enough to even see my house or other structures on my property. One neighbor's horses, cows & goats may be able to see it but obviously they don't care. And the other neighbor's friendly pit bull that comes to visit won't care. All he wants is to explore and be petted and told he's a good boy.
I was thinking the roof could use gussets, but it's an inexpensive shed and the roof isn't that large.
I'd still want to do a metal roof instead of shingles. I don't like shingles. LOL.
I prefer a single slope as well. Cheers!
I never heard of a pagoda roof, maybe you mean gazebo? Or maybe you mean a hip roof which is a gable roof with both ends sloped down to the top plate?
@@user-fo4ve5fo4z its an Asian style roof. Similar to mansard but it has concave curves before flaring out at the bottom.
You’ve got to get a shorter driver but that thing is driving me nuts
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The windows are 1-1/2 higher than the door, was that a mistake? I notice you added a 2x4 above the door to fill in the gap. Oops.
Canadian crickets must the size of birds...
around 2" long. big enough to skewer and throw on the bbq
How come you switched to an air nailer this episode?
the battery nailer had a long recharge noise that had me waiting to talk. It was messing with my flo so I went back to the compressor to save my sanity. Cheers!
You have a lot of condensation discharging from your nail gun.
When was the last time you drained the compressor???
LOL. your supposed to do that. Cheers!