10:19 - the moment which traumatized Murad throughout his life and later turned him into a ruthless bloodthirsty ruler. he shouldn't have been here. poor soul.
He wasn't ruthless tbh every action he did had a meaning he killed Topal Pasha because he was a traitor and the way he killed thag christian priest who invited him to christianity that guy deserves it tbh and Kasim was always backbiting Murad to his mother he even tild Ibrahim about what Murad will do like cage them and stuff even though he didn't until they became a threat to his throne Kosem also allowed the sipahis to kill Murad's best men like Musa pasha and etc even Silahtar Mustafa Pasha later on tbh it's Kosem's fault she got in the way of Murad she should've let Murad rule like she promised but she was never ending her regency and islam also doesn't allow women ruling a caliphate it's strictly forbidden and it made sense when this ridiculous sultanate of women started the jannissaries started to revolt more and more even daring to kill the caliphs the ottomans they were even looting the innocent civilians and they were always being bribed unlike before the Sultan's authority didn't matter to them if Murad didn't came and rule like this and his mother went on the treasury of the ottomans would go empty even though it was almost empty during Kosem's regency she bribed every freaking person to snuck in the ottoman court .Oh! Later she even kills her own sons and almost killed her grandson Sultan Mehmed IV
The curse of Shehzade Mehmed fell upon Sultan Osman and his empire. For the betrayal of his blood brother, the Sultan was paid back with the betrayal of the Janissaries.
To the people wondering why Kosem forgave Osman, he was her SON. Certainly not by blood, but she raised him since he was a baby. She herself said she breastfed him instead of giving him to a wet nurse. (I’m talking about show Kosem, not her in real life).
I’m going to clear some of the air here for people uneducated about the ottomans. Killing of male siblings (potential heirs to the throne) was actually a dark secret ottoman tradition. I’m going to leave it there. Look it up.
mehmed may look like a spoilt disrespectful brat. but he's got a point. if he actually had the throne, it'd be a different story. Murad won't grow up to be the cruel beast he'd later become. Osman created the tyrannical Sultan Murad. Poor little Murad.
Murad, or any brother, wouldn't have been even alive..... Mehmet would have killed everyone the moment he got his chance........ Such a thing is expected from Mehmet....... Osman killed Mehmet bcz of the same reason.... Mehmet was rebelling
@@tioriapasaribu1920 Don't follow this mixed-up Drama series, if you look at Osman 2 real history he was way better than his brothers comparing to his age, he realized that JENESURES were becoming corrupt and were not like the warriors they used to be in the time of Mehmet the conqueror, Selim 1 and Sulaiman the magnificent. Osman 2 went for battle at the age of 17 moving towards west Europe but lost the battle because of Jenuseries rebels. Osman decided for future of Ottoman that Jenuseries must go and new army should be found and trained but due to traitors in the palace and his mother Kosem sultan (who could have saved Osman) didn't come for help because they were busy saving there own power and influence on the empire. And talking about Osman 2 brother Mehmet, if Osman didn't execute him, Mehmet would have rebel and if he was sucessed he would have killed all his brothers. But at last History is History and Osman 2 was killed and later only good Sultan that came to power during that time was his brother Murad 4 he was also capable to achieving greater heights and even succeeded in taking Bagdad. But he also faced his empire traitors and his Evil Mother. This is the all because of Kosem who decided her sons for her own gain. If Sultan Ahmed was alive he could have handle the situation a little better but Kosem destroyed the empire from within.
Honestly if I was Kosem I never would’ve forgiven Osman for what he did, she was always nice to him and treated him as her son and didn’t make differences between him and her biological children. She fed him and took care of him when his mother died so him repaying all that she has done for him and the motherly love she has for him by killing Mehmet and breaking her heart even more than it already was after her husband’s death is just horrible and unforgivable. That was very cruel of him, his father would be ashamed of him as well, Ahmed never wanted his children to fight against each other let alone kill each other, despite the multiple occasions when Mustafa was used to try to harm him and his family he never killed his little brother, him doing that also provoked the death of his other brothers cause his actions influenced Murad mentality and the way he became when he was Sultan which ended up with him killing 2 of his brothers and making so many wrong choices which ended up with his sister and his family’s deaths as well. Also if he hadn’t killed Kasim then Kasim probably would’ve been the next Sultán after he died and not Ibrahim which I think would have resulted in Kosem not being killed in the end. Osman killing Mehmet started a whole chain of reactions that just ended up with the death of so many members of the royal family and well a lot of people in general.
Everytime I see Osman being humiliated and killed by the Janissaries, I feel bad for him and then I see this scene and feel that he really deserved every bit of humiliation for making his brother go through this although Mehmet was not guilty. I know he was only 17 but he should have trusted Kosem rather than someone else.
Nah Bro, It was Mehmet who wants from starting to take throne of Sultanat, the thing wrong here is that Mehmed is prince and royal blood too, so he deserve throne, but two Sultans can't be at same time, what Osman should do is keep Mehmet in jail
@@hayshibea1702 it was not only Mehmet who wanted the throne but Osman too. The only difference being Mehmet was too outspoken via his actions while Osman wasn't. Given the fact that Kosem favoured Osman more made Mehmet extremely jealous. All the things that Mehmet did wrong was all created by Kosem. I would say that he wanted to prove his mother that he was as much of a deserving prince as Osman was. Kosem should have been more of a mother to Mehmet than she actually was or she should actually have cared for both of them equally from start. Then this jealousy and hatred would not have propelled. Kosem literally mentioned to Osman she loved him more than all her other children, that's actually sad. But you know after Osman took the throne, Mehmet kept his profile low, didn't act rationally or created problems. It was only Safiya Sultana's plot that made him a victim and Osman not being able to read the trap actually fell for it. He really should have trusted Kosem more rather than all the other members of the Palace. There is a saying, "blood is thicker than water" and it really suited Mehmet, Osman and Kosem's situation.
Innocent?? I'd say unlucky but definitely not innocent.... He wanted the throne and rebelled..... The only thing for rebelling in Ottomans is death..... If Mehmet was Sultan he would have killed all his brothers on the first day for sure....... So not very innocent.....
@@danishalfarabiariefrinaldi5699 Because he is the only grown child and due to the rules he has the right to get the throne. And another reason is because she doesn't want disruption between themselves, so that's why she is proctecting him.
And,I think ,Allah immediately accepted the last prayer of mehmet....I don't know if he really prayed it,but if he did,of course his prayer was listened by Allah...osman not only lost everything,but died a brutal death....more brutal than mehmet
@@muhammadonaiz6176 It would require leadership skills and meritocracy instead of destabilizing fratricidical court sceaming. It would have been so easy. Each sultan would make pregnant some concubines in a close interval. The sons would have got good education, have been tested in military, diplomacy and administrative positions. The best is made heir apparent with position and power enough to be protected against coup d'etat of several siblings, the other siblings put into non harmful position and eyes kept on them. It is not rocket science.
@@utoresa5193 Yes, even more humane, because thos kept in, even if quite low, position, can cause fracture in the empire, that eventually lead to civil war.
@@mikloscsuvar6097 You simply don't understand the complex political dynamics of the Ottoman state. And if you're a Turk then honestly i feel sorry for you. The biggest reason for the Fratricide law was the governance issues and anarchism caused by the elite Yeniçeri Corps which became a state within a state. Whenever a Sultan was enthroned who had male siblings the Yeniçeri used to take advantage by blackmailing or threatening the Sultan. The Yeniçeri would make illegal demands like unfair salary raises or appointments of their choice in the Divaan. Or else they would rebel and replace the Sultan with one of his brothers. This gave a leverage to the Yeniçeri over the Sultans whose footings were weakened. The Sultan couldn't rule at all due to these problems as there was a constant threat so this is why the Princes were executed. And honestly there was no other way to stop this.
I’m going to clear some of the air here for people uneducated about the ottomans. Killing of male siblings (potential heirs to the throne) was actually a dark secret ottoman tradition. I’m going to leave it there. Look it up.
Sultan Osman got what he reaped in the end this died a very humiliating dead like none of the Sultan. How could Sultan Osman forget that it was Sultana Kosem who put him on the throne without any prejudice even though she could have easily put Prince Mehmet on the throne of could have killed him.
Allah Allah .... That's why nowadays all empire destroyed . Coz they were cruel . But unfortunately nowadays greedy & corrupted politicians doing same thing with innocent ppl in every country
An analysis about the Ottoman Law of Fatricide (sibling killing)! Ottomans did have the practice of killing their brothers. But it wasn't done out of mere power lust. One should study the dynamics of their empire to understand why such a cruel policy existed. Actually after the defeat of Sultan Beyazid 1 by Amir Temur, the empire was plunged into a very long and bloody civil war. Sultan Beyazid 1 died in Timur's captivity and then his sons started fighting each other for the seat of the Sultan. This is known as the Ottoman Interregnum. Means a period without any official leader. This lasted for many years with multiple battles being fought between various sons of Sultan Beyazid 1. The human and financial cost of this war was extremely high with thousands dead and a huge sum of money being wasted. The empire almost came to the brink of destruction. But finally Sultan Mehmet Chalebi 1 took control and stabilised things. Later Sultan Fatih Mehmet 2 legislated a law called Fatricide Law which allowed a Sultan to kill his brothers for the sake of public interest. Basically to stop any kind of civil wars or Fitnah as it was destructive for the people. This law was approved by majority of the Scholars who deemed it permissible for the public interest was the first priority. But there was also a governance issue. The elite military Corp Yenceri became way too powerful. It was almost a state within a state. This elite military unit started to exert influence over the Sultans due to their power in the military and political spheres. They would make illegal demands from the Sultans like salary raises & appointment of their own people on important political posts. Otherwise they would threaten the Sultans to dethrone them and replace them with their brothers. This weakened the authority of the Sultans who were blackmailed by the Yenceris as they had great leverage of the Sultans. A very important example to quote is the murder of Sultan Genc Osman. He was a young and ambitious Sultan who wanted to reform the military by dismantling the Yenceri and hiring new troops from the Levant as their replacement to create a modern military. The Yenceri understood that if this was achieved then they would lose their power. So they revolted and imprisoned the Sultan. A faction of the Yenceri later strangled Sultan Osman 1 at the fortress where he was being kept. And they installed Sultan Mustafa 1 on the throne to ensure that their own power was retained. So the Fratricide policy existed due to these tough dynamics and was implemented as a necessary evil. But Ottoman Sultans weren't proud of this in anyway. They were forced to take harsh decisions for the stability and peace of the state.
A Khalifa System was never a good system. Do you know how many Khalifa killed for rivalry ? Why it's not happened in western countries even in middle ages ? Because it's about power of tolerance
It's good, Osman paid for his sins, later. Well, I think the fall down of the empire itself was a fruit of all other sultans and not just Osman. One can understand why the empire fell down -- first, because of the universal fact that nothing lasts forever, and second -- the cruel law and politics made thousands of years back that made no sense in modern civilization certainly destroyed the empire. They didn't even need enemies.
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The more I see, I can’t help but think that everyone just wanted to survive… they wanted the power so that they can live. They killed anyone who threatened them knowingly and unknowingly because they didn’t want those people coming after them. But it seems it was the curse of the Ottomans empire. To die by the hands of family and friends. You were always alone no matter if you were surrounded by the people you should have been able to trust. So sad.
Fracticide is something that cannot be explained, How about having less kids ,once you have a son , dont desire to have anymore, no excuse justifies the killing of your own brother
@@linamina5175 that doesn't make sense they could change their system then , like they could let the most capable one to be the king and the rest could be important members of different bodies like military etc etc
He asked Allah to take osman’s everything Along with his Saltanat and Allah pay that back to sultan osman and he was killed so much vulnerably !! Allah Talaa is the Best Judge ❤️
Lol if this was the empire that represented Islam. Then it should have been destroyed -_-. No wonder the Ottomans fell while Europe thrived. Europe didn't have a habit of killing their brothers.
True I see so many Muslims going all gaga over Ottoman Empire and saying that this is their history. But they don’t know that Ottoman Empire is full of such ruthlessness
Everyone blames the dynasty instead of the pashas and the army. They wanted Mehmet to die. Army had more power.Whoelse in the right mind would really kill his siblings?
Osman grandmother poison is mine against kosem and her children and he didn't know that his own grandmother killed his father by using kosem sister. I believe if he had known the whole story he would not have trust his grandmother and he would have cleaved to kosem more and trust her judgements. They had set up memet in that letter.
In true history, there has never been a bloody or life -threatening murder .... But an act of Killing the Name of the Rising Character Appears to the Number of Caliphs in excess of one. This removal is us then in the event that there are no such problems .. they then compose by inserting a lesson on the children of the nation
An analysis about the Ottoman Law of Fatricide (sibling killing)! Ottomans did have the practice of killing their brothers. But it wasn't done out of mere power lust. One should study the dynamics of their empire to understand why such a cruel policy existed. Actually after the defeat of Sultan Beyazid 1 by Amir Temur, the empire was plunged into a very long and bloody civil war. Sultan Beyazid 1 died in Timur's captivity and then his sons started fighting each other for the seat of the Sultan. This is known as the Ottoman Interregnum. Means a period without any official leader. This lasted for many years with multiple battles being fought between various sons of Sultan Beyazid 1. The human and financial cost of this war was extremely high with thousands dead and a huge sum of money being wasted. The empire almost came to the brink of destruction. But finally Sultan Mehmet Chalebi 1 took control and stabilised things. Later Sultan Fatih Mehmet 2 legislated a law called Fatricide Law which allowed a Sultan to kill his brothers for the sake of public interest. Basically to stop any kind of civil wars or Fitnah as it was destructive for the people. This law was approved by majority of the Scholars who deemed it permissible for the public interest was the first priority. But there was also a governance issue. The elite military Corp Yenceri became way too powerful. It was almost a state within a state. This elite military unit started to exert influence over the Sultans due to their power in the military and political spheres. They would make illegal demands from the Sultans like salary raises & appointment of their own people on important political posts. Otherwise they would threaten the Sultans to dethrone them and replace them with their brothers. This weakened the authority of the Sultans who were blackmailed by the Yenceris as they had great leverage of the Sultans. A very important example to quote is the murder of Sultan Genc Osman. He was a young and ambitious Sultan who wanted to reform the military by dismantling the Yenceri and hiring new troops from the Levant as their replacement to create a modern military. The Yenceri understood that if this was achieved then they would lose their power. So they revolted and imprisoned the Sultan. A faction of the Yenceri later strangled Sultan Osman 1 at the fortress where he was being kept. And they installed Sultan Mustafa 1 on the throne to ensure that their own power was retained. So the Fratricide policy existed due to these tough dynamics and was implemented as a necessary evil. But Ottoman Sultans weren't proud of this in anyway. They were forced to take harsh decisions for the stability and peace of the state.
@@muhammadonaiz6176 Thank you for your informative comment. I am learning alot about Turkish/Ottoman History from knowledgeable people like yourself. 😊
I think not just jealous but fear and paranoia. Even though their father had made the choice to spare his own brother, I think the fear was always there in Mehmet's heart that Osman would do the same, even though initially he really had nothing to fear.
Mehmet was going to rebel against Osman....... Should Osman allow that..... Not saying the killing should happen...... But in those times...... Rebels were put to death......
This was the first of Osman's big mistakes. Question, anyone know what song is played during Sezade Mehmet's execution? They play it at another part and I cannot remember for what. I want to say it's when Safiye Sultan rebels and tries to have Kosem killed while Ahmet and Darvish are away.
That’s the trône the last sultans they killed all brothers and no body said they’re monsters he was young and brother killing rule sultan mehmet 2 made it.
Its funny how osman II and Elagabalus have a lot in common Osman II and Elagabalus ascended to the throne aged 14 osman II ruled 1400 years after elagabalus 218-222 1618-1622 they were both puppets who didn't want to be puppets both were overthrown and executed and had weak successors
Never crave power for a government Because that power will definitely give us all the achievements But this power and ourselves is not a Clear Wheres The Real Destination
Sultan osman think that army want to dethrone him and put mehmet on it because of kosem but he was wrong davut pasha celebi want to put mustafa in throne osman look for future but he forgot about the past
Poor Caliphate... The Sultan's Killed Their Own Brothers Because, Sultan's was want to Lead ownself Control of (Ottoman) Empire..it is Very Brutal things. Sultan' Hate Their Brothers
Ottoman empire law was when first and older prince take the throne he will kill his brother that was not fine at all but kosem all childrens died because of her mistake he want more power than a sultan osman , murad ,ibrahim . She always want to dethrone every sultan who disobeyed him osman must not kill mehmet but rebellions disway sultan osman and sultan osman killed mehmet
Fear and greed make people do worst of things. It was their trend and rule during those times. If one watches from human point of view there was nothing magnificent about those periods. They were just looting all type of resources from other countries. Other's money, women and children. Many others have done the same through the ages and it is continuing till today in different ways.
@@soulmate1960 What i thought was the younger brother kills the older to get the throne... Osman was already sultan... Y did he kill Mehmet? Brutal times those were
An analysis about the Ottoman Law of Fatricide (sibling killing)! Ottomans did have the practice of killing their brothers. But it wasn't done out of mere power lust. One should study the dynamics of their empire to understand why such a cruel policy existed. Actually after the defeat of Sultan Beyazid 1 by Amir Temur, the empire was plunged into a very long and bloody civil war. Sultan Beyazid 1 died in Timur's captivity and then his sons started fighting each other for the seat of the Sultan. This is known as the Ottoman Interregnum. Means a period without any official leader. This lasted for many years with multiple battles being fought between various sons of Sultan Beyazid 1. The human and financial cost of this war was extremely high with thousands dead and a huge sum of money being wasted. The empire almost came to the brink of destruction. But finally Sultan Mehmet Chalebi 1 took control and stabilised things. Later Sultan Fatih Mehmet 2 legislated a law called Fatricide Law which allowed a Sultan to kill his brothers for the sake of public interest. Basically to stop any kind of civil wars or Fitnah as it was destructive for the people. This law was approved by majority of the Scholars who deemed it permissible for the public interest was the first priority. But there was also a governance issue. The elite military Corp Yenceri became way too powerful. It was almost a state within a state. This elite military unit started to exert influence over the Sultans due to their power in the military and political spheres. They would make illegal demands from the Sultans like salary raises & appointment of their own people on important political posts. Otherwise they would threaten the Sultans to dethrone them and replace them with their brothers. This weakened the authority of the Sultans who were blackmailed by the Yenceris as they had great leverage of the Sultans. A very important example to quote is the murder of Sultan Genc Osman. He was a young and ambitious Sultan who wanted to reform the military by dismantling the Yenceri and hiring new troops from the Levant as their replacement to create a modern military. The Yenceri understood that if this was achieved then they would lose their power. So they revolted and imprisoned the Sultan. A faction of the Yenceri later strangled Sultan Osman 1 at the fortress where he was being kept. And they installed Sultan Mustafa 1 on the throne to ensure that their own power was retained. So the Fratricide policy existed due to these tough dynamics and was implemented as a necessary evil. But Ottoman Sultans weren't proud of this in anyway. They were forced to take harsh decisions for the stability and peace of the state.
10:20 look at young Murat seeing one of his brothers kill the other. No wonder the guy grow up with anger issues
Ik right
He is going on the same path (killing his brother) because he is affraid to be killed by his brothers. A traumatic scene
As a child, he was so cute and innocent 😍
Murat must have loved his brother Mehmet more than Osman.
They all had mental issues
10:19 - the moment which traumatized Murad throughout his life and later turned him into a ruthless bloodthirsty ruler. he shouldn't have been here. poor soul.
Best Khalifa Murad IV
He wasn't ruthless tbh every action he did had a meaning he killed Topal Pasha because he was a traitor and the way he killed thag christian priest who invited him to christianity that guy deserves it tbh and Kasim was always backbiting Murad to his mother he even tild Ibrahim about what Murad will do like cage them and stuff even though he didn't until they became a threat to his throne Kosem also allowed the sipahis to kill Murad's best men like Musa pasha and etc even Silahtar Mustafa Pasha later on tbh it's Kosem's fault she got in the way of Murad she should've let Murad rule like she promised but she was never ending her regency and islam also doesn't allow women ruling a caliphate it's strictly forbidden and it made sense when this ridiculous sultanate of women started the jannissaries started to revolt more and more even daring to kill the caliphs the ottomans they were even looting the innocent civilians and they were always being bribed unlike before the Sultan's authority didn't matter to them if Murad didn't came and rule like this and his mother went on the treasury of the ottomans would go empty even though it was almost empty during Kosem's regency she bribed every freaking person to snuck in the ottoman court .Oh! Later she even kills her own sons and almost killed her grandson Sultan Mehmed IV
If it wasn't for Murad ottomans would collapse faster than they did in our timeline cuz the treasury was empty how would they pay the jannisarries?
The most heart touching part is when Mehmet said: I ask Allah to take everything away which you have taken from me.😭😭😭😭😭😢😢😢😢😢
And that only happened he was killed by Murat
No he didn't
@@bibliophile.18 yes he did 9:41
@@jassimarsingh6505 sorry he was killed my Mustafa 1
Yes That Was Accepted He Killed By His Uncle
The curse of Shehzade Mehmed fell upon Sultan Osman and his empire. For the betrayal of his blood brother, the Sultan was paid back with the betrayal of the Janissaries.
To the people wondering why Kosem forgave Osman, he was her SON. Certainly not by blood, but she raised him since he was a baby. She herself said she breastfed him instead of giving him to a wet nurse. (I’m talking about show Kosem, not her in real life).
I’m going to clear some of the air here for people uneducated about the ottomans. Killing of male siblings (potential heirs to the throne) was actually a dark secret ottoman tradition. I’m going to leave it there. Look it up.
mehmed may look like a spoilt disrespectful brat. but he's got a point. if he actually had the throne, it'd be a different story. Murad won't grow up to be the cruel beast he'd later become. Osman created the tyrannical Sultan Murad. Poor little Murad.
Murad, or any brother, wouldn't have been even alive..... Mehmet would have killed everyone the moment he got his chance........ Such a thing is expected from Mehmet....... Osman killed Mehmet bcz of the same reason.... Mehmet was rebelling
@@faranbutt the first one he killed must be Osman.. the other brother well it depend on situation.
@@tioriapasaribu1920 he sure would have killed the other ones, cuz they would be a threat to his throne
@@tioriapasaribu1920 Don't follow this mixed-up Drama series, if you look at Osman 2 real history he was way better than his brothers comparing to his age, he realized that JENESURES were becoming corrupt and were not like the warriors they used to be in the time of Mehmet the conqueror, Selim 1 and Sulaiman the magnificent. Osman 2 went for battle at the age of 17 moving towards west Europe but lost the battle because of Jenuseries rebels. Osman decided for future of Ottoman that Jenuseries must go and new army should be found and trained but due to traitors in the palace and his mother Kosem sultan (who could have saved Osman) didn't come for help because they were busy saving there own power and influence on the empire. And talking about Osman 2 brother Mehmet, if Osman didn't execute him, Mehmet would have rebel and if he was sucessed he would have killed all his brothers. But at last History is History and Osman 2 was killed and later only good Sultan that came to power during that time was his brother Murad 4 he was also capable to achieving greater heights and even succeeded in taking Bagdad. But he also faced his empire traitors and his Evil Mother. This is the all because of Kosem who decided her sons for her own gain. If Sultan Ahmed was alive he could have handle the situation a little better but Kosem destroyed the empire from within.
Mehmet may look like a spoilt disrespectful brat but he's got a point if he actually had the throne it'd be the cruel story Murad won't grow up to be
Honestly if I was Kosem I never would’ve forgiven Osman for what he did, she was always nice to him and treated him as her son and didn’t make differences between him and her biological children. She fed him and took care of him when his mother died so him repaying all that she has done for him and the motherly love she has for him by killing Mehmet and breaking her heart even more than it already was after her husband’s death is just horrible and unforgivable. That was very cruel of him, his father would be ashamed of him as well, Ahmed never wanted his children to fight against each other let alone kill each other, despite the multiple occasions when Mustafa was used to try to harm him and his family he never killed his little brother, him doing that also provoked the death of his other brothers cause his actions influenced Murad mentality and the way he became when he was Sultan which ended up with him killing 2 of his brothers and making so many wrong choices which ended up with his sister and his family’s deaths as well. Also if he hadn’t killed Kasim then Kasim probably would’ve been the next Sultán after he died and not Ibrahim which I think would have resulted in Kosem not being killed in the end. Osman killing Mehmet started a whole chain of reactions that just ended up with the death of so many members of the royal family and well a lot of people in general.
True 😓
@silenceofthelambs yeah, Kosem is stupid
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Stop writing essays
Everytime I see Osman being humiliated and killed by the Janissaries, I feel bad for him and then I see this scene and feel that he really deserved every bit of humiliation for making his brother go through this although Mehmet was not guilty. I know he was only 17 but he should have trusted Kosem rather than someone else.
Don't judge
Everytime I see Osman being humiliated and killed by the janissares I feel bad for him and then I see this scene and feel that he
Sultan Osman did the right thing.Because Mehmet was a betrayal prince
Nah Bro, It was Mehmet who wants from starting to take throne of Sultanat, the thing wrong here is that Mehmed is prince and royal blood too, so he deserve throne, but two Sultans can't be at same time, what Osman should do is keep Mehmet in jail
@@hayshibea1702 it was not only Mehmet who wanted the throne but Osman too. The only difference being Mehmet was too outspoken via his actions while Osman wasn't. Given the fact that Kosem favoured Osman more made Mehmet extremely jealous. All the things that Mehmet did wrong was all created by Kosem. I would say that he wanted to prove his mother that he was as much of a deserving prince as Osman was. Kosem should have been more of a mother to Mehmet than she actually was or she should actually have cared for both of them equally from start. Then this jealousy and hatred would not have propelled. Kosem literally mentioned to Osman she loved him more than all her other children, that's actually sad.
But you know after Osman took the throne, Mehmet kept his profile low, didn't act rationally or created problems. It was only Safiya Sultana's plot that made him a victim and Osman not being able to read the trap actually fell for it. He really should have trusted Kosem more rather than all the other members of the Palace. There is a saying, "blood is thicker than water" and it really suited Mehmet, Osman and Kosem's situation.
Kösem lost her first son😭 I loved Mehmet so much. He was so innocent in everything 😢
Innocent?? I'd say unlucky but definitely not innocent.... He wanted the throne and rebelled..... The only thing for rebelling in Ottomans is death..... If Mehmet was Sultan he would have killed all his brothers on the first day for sure....... So not very innocent.....
But why Kösem protects osman?
@@faranbutt I don't think the same, but...
@@danishalfarabiariefrinaldi5699 Because he is the only grown child and due to the rules he has the right to get the throne.
And another reason is because she doesn't want disruption between themselves, so that's why she is proctecting him.
@Galacticos Galatiasnot a fact because it never happened.... More like a probability.......
Osman would've been worse had his blood mother Mahfiruze still lived. He and his mother would become Kosem's arch nemesis.
If the mother had not died kosem would make sure that Osman ii will not see the throne talk less of sitting on it.
Osman would've been worse had his blood mother mahfiruze still lived he and his mother would become kosems arch
@@topnotch676 so true 😂😂
And,I think ,Allah immediately accepted the last prayer of mehmet....I don't know if he really prayed it,but if he did,of course his prayer was listened by Allah...osman not only lost everything,but died a brutal death....more brutal than mehmet
If he got power he would have killed all his brothers its Same all ottomon sultans killed their all brothers moment they got power
Yeah
And I think Allah immediately accepted the last prayer of Mehmet I don't know if he really prayerd it but if he did of course
True. Allah is all-seeing and all- hearing. He is Almighty!
No mehmet was killed brutally because he was killed by his blood brother
Osman is a coward and a backstabber. If Ahmet was alive he would be so ashamed to have Osman as a son.
You idiot you know nothing about running an empire
@@muhammadonaiz6176 It would require leadership skills and meritocracy instead of destabilizing fratricidical court sceaming. It would have been so easy. Each sultan would make pregnant some concubines in a close interval. The sons would have got good education, have been tested in military, diplomacy and administrative positions. The best is made heir apparent with position and power enough to be protected against coup d'etat of several siblings, the other siblings put into non harmful position and eyes kept on them. It is not rocket science.
@@mikloscsuvar6097 I say exile simply for those that don't ascend
@@utoresa5193 Yes, even more humane, because thos kept in, even if quite low, position, can cause fracture in the empire, that eventually lead to civil war.
@@mikloscsuvar6097 You simply don't understand the complex political dynamics of the Ottoman state. And if you're a Turk then honestly i feel sorry for you.
The biggest reason for the Fratricide law was the governance issues and anarchism caused by the elite Yeniçeri Corps which became a state within a state. Whenever a Sultan was enthroned who had male siblings the Yeniçeri used to take advantage by blackmailing or threatening the Sultan. The Yeniçeri would make illegal demands like unfair salary raises or appointments of their choice in the Divaan. Or else they would rebel and replace the Sultan with one of his brothers. This gave a leverage to the Yeniçeri over the Sultans whose footings were weakened. The Sultan couldn't rule at all due to these problems as there was a constant threat so this is why the Princes were executed. And honestly there was no other way to stop this.
Iam feeling sorry for young murat no wonder why he became so ruthless
It’s tough to watch Kosem desperately try to get to her son. Osman deserves what’s coming to him for his cruelty towards his family.
Osman was a Sultan. He can do whatever he want. Actually Mehmet was a betrayal Shahzada
It's tough to watch Kosem desperately try to get to her son Osman deserve whats coming to him for his cruelty towards his family
@@lizazakir8116 We can't do whatever we want in God's eyes. Some things are wrong no matter who you are.
@@lizazakir8116he never betrayed.
I’m going to clear some of the air here for people uneducated about the ottomans. Killing of male siblings (potential heirs to the throne) was actually a dark secret ottoman tradition. I’m going to leave it there. Look it up.
I think,Mehmet should be given one more chance. Sultan Osman could warned him and could give a punishment except execution.
I wish Mehmet was given a chance to be one of the sultan's.
Murad was perfect
He would be a puppet
I wish Mehmet was given a chance to be one of the sultans
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@@mohammedsharif3662 nah
Sultan Osman got what he reaped in the end this died a very humiliating dead like none of the Sultan. How could Sultan Osman forget that it was Sultana Kosem who put him on the throne without any prejudice even though she could have easily put Prince Mehmet on the throne of could have killed him.
Mehmet and then Bayazid were the two innocent killed that remained a curse . Both were good princes .
What abt kasim he was qas good too
Of course, this is a historic moment. And damned his reign it did!
U promised ur father u would not kill ur bro
So? His brother was being used by him against him. Also this promise thing isn't there in authentic history just a bullshit shown by this show
If your English really is that bad , you deserve the same fate.
@@bernardmcavoy1864 you actually care?
@ABABIALIL yup read the history
@ABABIALIL right i know the history thx
Allah Allah .... That's why nowadays all empire destroyed . Coz they were cruel . But unfortunately nowadays greedy & corrupted politicians doing same thing with innocent ppl in every country
Mehmet : Hoes before bro's?
Osman : I dont think so.
Bros*
Wild 💀
An analysis about the Ottoman Law of Fatricide (sibling killing)!
Ottomans did have the practice of killing their brothers. But it wasn't done out of mere power lust. One should study the dynamics of their empire to understand why such a cruel policy existed.
Actually after the defeat of Sultan Beyazid 1 by Amir Temur, the empire was plunged into a very long and bloody civil war. Sultan Beyazid 1 died in Timur's captivity and then his sons started fighting each other for the seat of the Sultan.
This is known as the Ottoman Interregnum. Means a period without any official leader. This lasted for many years with multiple battles being fought between various sons of Sultan Beyazid 1.
The human and financial cost of this war was extremely high with thousands dead and a huge sum of money being wasted. The empire almost came to the brink of destruction. But finally Sultan Mehmet Chalebi 1 took control and stabilised things.
Later Sultan Fatih Mehmet 2 legislated a law called Fatricide Law which allowed a Sultan to kill his brothers for the sake of public interest. Basically to stop any kind of civil wars or Fitnah as it was destructive for the people. This law was approved by majority of the Scholars who deemed it permissible for the public interest was the first priority.
But there was also a governance issue. The elite military Corp Yenceri became way too powerful. It was almost a state within a state. This elite military unit started to exert influence over the Sultans due to their power in the military and political spheres.
They would make illegal demands from the Sultans like salary raises & appointment of their own people on important political posts. Otherwise they would threaten the Sultans to dethrone them and replace them with their brothers. This weakened the authority of the Sultans who were blackmailed by the Yenceris as they had great leverage of the Sultans.
A very important example to quote is the murder of Sultan Genc Osman. He was a young and ambitious Sultan who wanted to reform the military by dismantling the Yenceri and hiring new troops from the Levant as their replacement to create a modern military. The Yenceri understood that if this was achieved then they would lose their power. So they revolted and imprisoned the Sultan. A faction of the Yenceri later strangled Sultan Osman 1 at the fortress where he was being kept. And they installed Sultan Mustafa 1 on the throne to ensure that their own power was retained.
So the Fratricide policy existed due to these tough dynamics and was implemented as a necessary evil. But Ottoman Sultans weren't proud of this in anyway. They were forced to take harsh decisions for the stability and peace of the state.
I wonder it's accepted or not in Islam
A Khalifa System was never a good system. Do you know how many Khalifa killed for rivalry ?
Why it's not happened in western countries even in middle ages ?
Because it's about power of tolerance
What ever explanation is given ,it is still unacceptable to kill brothers.🙄
Please do not justify this monstrous act. It’s wrong and Un Islamic in every way
@@bosbanon3452 it is not
now everyone gonna realize what sultan ahmed khan meant
All these children so called sultans and shezadas needed counselling with the way they grew up, poor guys. 😢
It's good, Osman paid for his sins, later. Well, I think the fall down of the empire itself was a fruit of all other sultans and not just Osman.
One can understand why the empire fell down -- first, because of the universal fact that nothing lasts forever, and second -- the cruel law and politics made thousands of years back that made no sense in modern civilization certainly destroyed the empire. They didn't even need enemies.
So true. It's this ruthlessness and blood that ended the sp called empire. It did not deserve to last anymore than it did. Good riddance.
@@bluej6127amen 🙏
Mehmed was innocent😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Sultan gayasuddin 😊😊😊🤭🤭🤭🤭😅😅😅 In ertugrul .he is so young in this drama and in ertugrul he is looking mature ❤️❤️I really felt bad for prince Mehmet in this drama .he was the innocent 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭🇹🇷🇵🇰🇹🇷🇵🇰🇹🇷🇵🇰 love from Pakistan 🇵🇰🇹🇷
Burak dakak 💗💗
In this scene “I can see How a big jerk was Ahmed” if what osman says is true of course.
SOO TRUEE ......
The more I see, I can’t help but think that everyone just wanted to survive… they wanted the power so that they can live. They killed anyone who threatened them knowingly and unknowingly because they didn’t want those people coming after them. But it seems it was the curse of the Ottomans empire. To die by the hands of family and friends. You were always alone no matter if you were surrounded by the people you should have been able to trust. So sad.
It’s always The warriors that are killed right? Mehmet and Bayezid...
Fracticide is something that cannot be explained, How about having less kids ,once you have a son , dont desire to have anymore, no excuse justifies the killing of your own brother
This . They are always so happy to have tons of sons but only one will live so what is the point
I think because some of the children were dying young from illness, so whenever a new prince is born it's a good new
@@linamina5175 that doesn't make sense they could change their system then , like they could let the most capable one to be the king and the rest could be important members of different bodies like military etc etc
@@fatimayaqoob4038 I agree with you, nd without forgetting that it's forbidden in Islam
@@linamina5175 yess!!!
He asked Allah to take osman’s everything Along with his Saltanat and Allah pay that back to sultan osman and he was killed so much vulnerably !!
Allah Talaa is the Best Judge ❤️
How could they just watch their own blood being murdered. And then rule an empire with " justice "
I hate Osman for thiss
Lol if this was the empire that represented Islam. Then it should have been destroyed -_-. No wonder the Ottomans fell while Europe thrived. Europe didn't have a habit of killing their brothers.
True I see so many Muslims going all gaga over Ottoman Empire and saying that this is their history. But they don’t know that Ottoman Empire is full of such ruthlessness
You must not know about the war of the roses 😂
In Europe,Brothers fought for the the throne too and killed each other in that process . 🤷♀️
Kosem😭😭😭
the translation is so missed up!! they replace "you" with "he" every time
The translator sucks at their job, it's redicilous how no one noticed that the translator can barely translate what the dialogue is
Que horrible el "fraticidio" pobre Kosem su alma quedó desolada al perder a su primer hijo Mehmed
Medmet also provoke his brother by trying to send away the concubine and Osman knows it.
Everyone blames the dynasty instead of the pashas and the army. They wanted Mehmet to die. Army had more power.Whoelse in the right mind would really kill his siblings?
such a violent royal culture, every single one of ahmed's sons was murdered except murad
I felt sorry for medmet and still feel sorry for Osman when they killed.
Cursed to such kingship.
Such a stressful drama,but I love it!!
How can people say that old tasia can replce new kosem (beren)... She is too good in her role
Osman grandmother poison is mine against kosem and her children and he didn't know that his own grandmother killed his father by using kosem sister.
I believe if he had known the whole story he would not have trust his grandmother and he would have cleaved to kosem more and trust her judgements. They had set up memet in that letter.
In true history, there has never been a bloody or life -threatening murder ....
But an act of Killing the Name of the Rising Character Appears to the Number of Caliphs in excess of one. This removal is us
then in the event that there are no such problems .. they then compose by inserting a lesson on the children of the nation
Osman got punished by Allah by taking his throne and giving to to maurad
See what jealousy will do. I thought Mehmet would be smart not to fall into this trap. He got played
An analysis about the Ottoman Law of Fatricide (sibling killing)!
Ottomans did have the practice of killing their brothers. But it wasn't done out of mere power lust. One should study the dynamics of their empire to understand why such a cruel policy existed.
Actually after the defeat of Sultan Beyazid 1 by Amir Temur, the empire was plunged into a very long and bloody civil war. Sultan Beyazid 1 died in Timur's captivity and then his sons started fighting each other for the seat of the Sultan.
This is known as the Ottoman Interregnum. Means a period without any official leader. This lasted for many years with multiple battles being fought between various sons of Sultan Beyazid 1.
The human and financial cost of this war was extremely high with thousands dead and a huge sum of money being wasted. The empire almost came to the brink of destruction. But finally Sultan Mehmet Chalebi 1 took control and stabilised things.
Later Sultan Fatih Mehmet 2 legislated a law called Fatricide Law which allowed a Sultan to kill his brothers for the sake of public interest. Basically to stop any kind of civil wars or Fitnah as it was destructive for the people. This law was approved by majority of the Scholars who deemed it permissible for the public interest was the first priority.
But there was also a governance issue. The elite military Corp Yenceri became way too powerful. It was almost a state within a state. This elite military unit started to exert influence over the Sultans due to their power in the military and political spheres.
They would make illegal demands from the Sultans like salary raises & appointment of their own people on important political posts. Otherwise they would threaten the Sultans to dethrone them and replace them with their brothers. This weakened the authority of the Sultans who were blackmailed by the Yenceris as they had great leverage of the Sultans.
A very important example to quote is the murder of Sultan Genc Osman. He was a young and ambitious Sultan who wanted to reform the military by dismantling the Yenceri and hiring new troops from the Levant as their replacement to create a modern military. The Yenceri understood that if this was achieved then they would lose their power. So they revolted and imprisoned the Sultan. A faction of the Yenceri later strangled Sultan Osman 1 at the fortress where he was being kept. And they installed Sultan Mustafa 1 on the throne to ensure that their own power was retained.
So the Fratricide policy existed due to these tough dynamics and was implemented as a necessary evil. But Ottoman Sultans weren't proud of this in anyway. They were forced to take harsh decisions for the stability and peace of the state.
@@muhammadonaiz6176 Thank you for your informative comment. I am learning alot about Turkish/Ottoman History from knowledgeable people like yourself. 😊
I think not just jealous but fear and paranoia. Even though their father had made the choice to spare his own brother, I think the fear was always there in Mehmet's heart that Osman would do the same, even though initially he really had nothing to fear.
Mehmet was going to rebel against Osman....... Should Osman allow that..... Not saying the killing should happen...... But in those times...... Rebels were put to death......
I like mehmet more than anyone else
They all were psychopaths . All of them ottoman ...after power and women. It's horrible . They killed each other for power and women. How sick
This was the first of Osman's big mistakes.
Question, anyone know what song is played during Sezade Mehmet's execution? They play it at another part and I cannot remember for what. I want to say it's when Safiye Sultan rebels and tries to have Kosem killed while Ahmet and Darvish are away.
Yess i know it’s called 27 hrs of death something like that yirmalti saat
The father set a wrong example.. wrong message here sorry!! 6:50
Wrong message for normal people not for Royal families and Sultans
I'm sorry this is heartbreaking, but when I see Osman I just Keep thinking that he looks like he has a giant marshmallow on his head 🤣🤣😭
That’s the trône the last sultans they killed all brothers and no body said they’re monsters he was young and brother killing rule sultan mehmet 2 made it.
Thank you so much
Its funny how osman II and Elagabalus have a lot in common
Osman II and Elagabalus ascended to the throne aged 14 osman II ruled 1400 years after elagabalus 218-222 1618-1622 they were both puppets who didn't want to be puppets both were overthrown and executed and had weak successors
11:10 this actor is so adorable and handsome who is he?
Çağan Efe Ak
@@GosieKin he's so cute
For Power and the State brotherly bonds of blood mean nothing!!
Never crave power for a government Because that power will definitely give us all the achievements But this power and ourselves is not a Clear Wheres The Real Destination
Excellent acting! Bravo!!!!
Baby Murat saw it!
People not realize that the series is not strictly correct in historic context....
If he is alive he won't kill any of his brothers
And at last the empire venished
After 300 year
@@umerrazzaq1368 600*
Sultan osman think that army want to dethrone him and put mehmet on it because of kosem but he was wrong davut pasha celebi want to put mustafa in throne osman look for future but he forgot about the past
It was terrible many sultans watched deaths behind the curtain
Poor Caliphate... The Sultan's Killed Their Own Brothers Because, Sultan's was want to Lead ownself Control of (Ottoman) Empire..it is Very Brutal things. Sultan' Hate Their Brothers
Beren saat bossed every scene kosem was deep into traumatic chaos.
Things like this brought and end to what was founded on true islamic values
Toba astagfirullah this sultan and sultan mehmed III weren true muslim sultan. Never kill your sibling for power. He will be punished by Allah
This rule of killing brothers was enforces by Mehmet 2 who was mentioned in a hades of Prophet Muhammad PBUH what do you mean
This is only sickular drama
@@trollllllll4499 no this is real history
All sultans killed brothers it was common since beginning
@@asilaslapt1510also did by western empire
These subtitles made my eyes bleed like wtf did they use google translate?!
hehehehe
Looks like
painful history
Thanks God we were not exist
Everyone blame osman for Mehmet executed.But no one try to realize his pain .when he give his brother exucuted
Is Mehmets actor the same actor who plays Sultan Giyaseddin in Ertugrul (son of Sultan Alladin)?
11:44 please how call this song?🙏
Kosem sultan-lullaby
@@melissaozturk4711 thanks😊
Sandra Levakova What?
@@florjanbrudar692 nothing
what would Ertugrul and Osman think of this
I don't think they will like it knowing their descendants kill their own brothers just to protect the throne.
Finally kosem get what she did with others.
Kosem not bad person
Es ny Mustafa ko bachaya tha
Can any one tell me background music while Killing mehmat tats too sad but I like it
It was kosem's mistake! Mehmed should be the king,but she trusted her step son!
Power is one powerful thing whiich turns us into devils
ye to sultan gayasudin hai 🙂😄😄
sad cuz kosem lost her first born
Wobbly set moment there
Wonder how it would have been if the mothers did not openly plot to put their son on the throne.
Ottoman empire law was when first and older prince take the throne he will kill his brother that was not fine at all but kosem all childrens died because of her mistake he want more power than a sultan osman , murad ,ibrahim . She always want to dethrone every sultan who disobeyed him osman must not kill mehmet but rebellions disway sultan osman and sultan osman killed mehmet
Shaid hi kisi sultan ka yeh anjam huwa ho jo is usman ka huwa
What is the real name of the actor playing mehmed ?
His real name is Burak Dakak
@@nerr1191 i think actor plying role cukur akin cochovali
@@123roxy4 yes he does
He kind of looks like a Kazakh. I am from Kazakhstan and I remembered my friend when I saw him.
Mehmed wish came true
Why did this fratricide thing needed to happen? I dont understand... Pls someone tell me
Fear and greed make people do worst of things. It was their trend and rule during those times. If one watches from human point of view there was nothing magnificent about those periods. They were just looting all type of resources from other countries. Other's money, women and children. Many others have done the same through the ages and it is continuing till today in different ways.
@@soulmate1960 What i thought was the younger brother kills the older to get the throne... Osman was already sultan... Y did he kill Mehmet?
Brutal times those were
I am just at eighth episode so don't know yet. Basic reasons are always same. Greed, fear, revenge.
An analysis about the Ottoman Law of Fatricide (sibling killing)!
Ottomans did have the practice of killing their brothers. But it wasn't done out of mere power lust. One should study the dynamics of their empire to understand why such a cruel policy existed.
Actually after the defeat of Sultan Beyazid 1 by Amir Temur, the empire was plunged into a very long and bloody civil war. Sultan Beyazid 1 died in Timur's captivity and then his sons started fighting each other for the seat of the Sultan.
This is known as the Ottoman Interregnum. Means a period without any official leader. This lasted for many years with multiple battles being fought between various sons of Sultan Beyazid 1.
The human and financial cost of this war was extremely high with thousands dead and a huge sum of money being wasted. The empire almost came to the brink of destruction. But finally Sultan Mehmet Chalebi 1 took control and stabilised things.
Later Sultan Fatih Mehmet 2 legislated a law called Fatricide Law which allowed a Sultan to kill his brothers for the sake of public interest. Basically to stop any kind of civil wars or Fitnah as it was destructive for the people. This law was approved by majority of the Scholars who deemed it permissible for the public interest was the first priority.
But there was also a governance issue. The elite military Corp Yenceri became way too powerful. It was almost a state within a state. This elite military unit started to exert influence over the Sultans due to their power in the military and political spheres.
They would make illegal demands from the Sultans like salary raises & appointment of their own people on important political posts. Otherwise they would threaten the Sultans to dethrone them and replace them with their brothers. This weakened the authority of the Sultans who were blackmailed by the Yenceris as they had great leverage of the Sultans.
A very important example to quote is the murder of Sultan Genc Osman. He was a young and ambitious Sultan who wanted to reform the military by dismantling the Yenceri and hiring new troops from the Levant as their replacement to create a modern military. The Yenceri understood that if this was achieved then they would lose their power. So they revolted and imprisoned the Sultan. A faction of the Yenceri later strangled Sultan Osman 1 at the fortress where he was being kept. And they installed Sultan Mustafa 1 on the throne to ensure that their own power was retained.
So the Fratricide policy existed due to these tough dynamics and was implemented as a necessary evil. But Ottoman Sultans weren't proud of this in anyway. They were forced to take harsh decisions for the stability and peace of the state.
@@muhammadonaiz6176 thanks for that detailed explanation
Just think of how many lives would have been saved if they just killed Kosem in the beginning.
0 lives would have been saved
I am so so so grateful of god that i didn't born in that era...and i born in india...a true hindu... thankyou 🙏🙏🙏
I love Ashoka, the real king
Do you even know history of your country 😅 please go and read it.
@@huseyinkose888 i know...and i am still proud of Hinduism
lol thats time your mughal ruler Aurangzeb eat his brother blood
I am so so so grateful of God that I didn't born that era I born in India a true hindu thank thankyou
The curse came true
Thats why people hates otoman sultans.
Mehmed is better than osman
Brother against brother
Heart touching
Tutaj też mamunia kochana, niewinna...
mehmat would've killed all his brothers on the first day of being sultan.. osman thought he's in some sort of rebellion that's why he killed him