INFURIATED Already! | The next Detailing Mega Test will be Tough
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- Bilt Hamber Touch-On
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Angelwax Atomic Shampoo
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Autoglem Ceramic Wash and Protect
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Carbon Collective Hybrid Si02 Ceramic Shampoo
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Meguiars Hybrid Ceramic Wash and Wax
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Armour All Ceramic Car Wash
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Turtle Wax Hybrid Solutions Ceramic Wash and Wax
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Gyeon Bath Plus +
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Valet Pro Ceramic Shampoo
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Chemical Guys Hydrosuds Ceramic Car Wash Soap
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Gtechniq Ceramic Gwash
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CORRECTION: That AUTOGLYM data shown is wrong. you get a litre for 24 quid not 500ml so its cost per wash is 1.08 which is very solid.
Thank you Jon - loving your work!
That's why you're paid the big bucks John 😂My head is hurting already and I'm only 6 minutes in 🤪
I didn't know Armor-All was still going! In my early days as a valeter, I used to use Armor-All tyre spray on my mate's cars and my dad's company Ford Orion. The product foamed up like mousse as I sprayed it onto the tyres, and it would leave a super glossy lacquer on the tyre as the foam ran off and stained the driveway, and my mum would go nuts.
lol, you love giving us hell about our jibber jabbers 🤣🤣
im starting to think in fluid jibber jabbers now :)
Just google fl oz to ml and it brings up a conversation calculator. 😂
Cant wait for the test
I personally use the Carbon Collective hybrid shampoo and have been using it for 2 years now. It does not foam when washing which seems a little odd, but it does clean well. I tend to go over each panel about 5 times, then rinse that one panel. Then onto the next. It gives a very nice shine when dry and i would say it resists dirt well. I do roughly 800 miles a week, so my car paintwork takes a battering. A light jet wash a week later takes off almost all the dirt as the paint remains slick. Will be interested to see what you think of it.
What you need is a laptop running an excel type programme to do all the working out for you😉
Hello
I’m fairly new to your channel. I must say I love your content.
Not only are you very entertaining but you are very trust worthy and seems like a stand up guy😊
Sonax ceramic boosted shampoo if you're looking for more candidates.
I wish we could get ahold of Valets products here in the US!
I just use BH touchless and reset after for a torough cleaning every time (i have no ceramic coating just soft99 topped with Parla). Does wonders. Shampoos with wax in it…. Nah. Parla replaced BSD for me. Superior in durability and hydrophobe qualities. People should look into it. Now gonna try ur recommendation of collonite from ur last vid. ;) Thx for all John
I got a free bottle of Valet Pro Ceramic shampoo and I'm very impressed with it's performance, it definitely boosted gloss on my ceramic coated car and smells great also. I will be buying a large container of this when my 1 litre runs out.
This is why I love infinity wax. They give you the ratios on their products... for example Synergy refresh shampoo has 3 different dilutions depending on your needs with a max of 1:2500
Tried a few different ones and Meguiar's won hands down. Bit messy having to pour the product out but results are outstanding
Can you make sure to include a Shelf Life measurement to this series, i noticed that my Gyeon bathe+ has gone off after a year. or do they all tend to go-off at the same time
most things with siloxane in them tend to loose potency over 12-24 months. but its like how long has it been sitting around before it gets bought and sent to customers. carpro are good they do like labels on the bottem for this the rest dont mate so I cant really test this.
Wow that Turtle Wax Ceramic is more expensive per wash than their Pro range Pure Wash, I use about 90ml of that in a bucket and I think that is an expensive wash (£1.90). I don't mind paying it because it is really nice to use.
🤝 hoping touch on does great
You are 100% right and I have to say about time. It’s the same with duration John, if you apply something once a month compared to once a year… interior ceramic coatings….😂
Hi John. I have noticed in the past when you do the Mega Tests that you feature products from the big detailing manufacturing countries which are Uk, USA, South Korea and Germany. You could a product from Germany would be my suggestion or Labo Cosmetica as it is gaining a lot of popularity at the moment 👍🏻👍🏻
I’ve used Bathe+ and yes you need a good glug more than it says to get some decent performance and it’s suds die away super fast…..
Bilt Hamber Touch-On comes in 30ml sachets as well and the directions on those are to add one sachet to a 15L bucket of warm water - are they more concentrated than the 1L bottles or is there a ratio mix up somewhere? As a control of 1, when I used a sachet with those directions it worked well for me so I don't know if 65ml is actually required (unless the product is a different concentration in the bottes).
Depends how much is in the packet. I'd guess 20 to 30ml. So sounds more concentrate.
@@ForensicDetailing Yes they are 30ml.. Interestingly the BH website makes no comment on the sachets being more concentrated.
Autoglym Ceramic wash and Protect comes in 1L. All the numbers made my head hurt but pretty sure you wrote down it came in 500ml
Smallest retail sized offering used here
@@ForensicDetailingAutoglym Ceramic Wash & Protect is only available in 1L, there is no 500ml size available. So the cost in use point (and subsequent criticism) is incorrect. The cost per use is actually £1.09, assuming the cap measurement is correct.
Yes sorry your correct here. It's 1000ml so figure is wrong will be correct for main test. Cost per wax is cheap ish not expensive ish.
I've tried Meguiars, Diamondbrite and Autobrite. I didn't like the Autobrite much at all, no foam and not very slick. The Diamondbrite was actually sent to me by mistake, I ordered something else online but they let me keep it and I liked it, would use that again. The Meguiars is the one with the 'wow factor' though, mixing it is a pain but the beading and shine afterwards is great, feels like you have been over the car with a high beading detailing spray afterwards. I stocked up on it when Halfords had them reduced to £15 a bottle so the cost per wash isn't bad at all. I'll be interested to see the test so I can decide what to use when I run out.
Hi Jon really looking forward to seeing your thoughts and results on this test been waiting for a while for this.
Couple of things I’ve noticed that dilution ratios are so vague in my opinion epically turtle wax. One things I’d like to suggest is can you also include in your test application via foam canon as they are quite expensive and the application method has to be done very quickly to not let it dry on the panel and find if you use the foam canon then go over the car with a mitt is easier and saves on time.
I do like Turtle waxes offering but found the dilution ratios annoying but the protection and gloss really nice.
For me personally Gyeon is the best really good stuff only thing is it’s quite expensive and found you have to be so careful and use it measuring it out a syringe etc.
Thanks look forward for the video.
hi mate. this resonates with me. But if Im given a vague usage ration like 20-40ml to 10 litres. I take the average so 30ml. I cant test snow foam application because only a few of the 11 products allow for use in a snow foam lance. all 11 allow contact wash use. so I can literally get sued if I show poor performance in lance and its not intended for use in a lance. Biggest problem is Im finding at the manufacturers usage ratios the products (most of them at least) all have minimal performance. They are too conservative with their ratios. But I cannot bump the dilutions up above their limits or again I can get sued (not that they would be they could). so I just have to use at proper ratio and report performance.
@@ForensicDetailing I can totally understand your point of view. Ive used about 5 max by different brands and the dilution ratio on all of them are so annoying especially Americans as they are in oz not litre everything you have mentioned in the video I’ve been there. For me personally and I know this may not relevant to the video is that it has to be versatile in application method and Snowfoam canon is the best method I’ve used the turtle wax one like this also the gyeon and that’s one of the main factors alongside durability gloss etc why gyeon in my opinion is the best. I also found that the turtle wax product is better in a lance rather than I bucket and you end up using less product.
Why I don’t like the bucket method is that a lot of it will go to waste for average sized car I never use a full bucket especially if you are using a grit guard. Most of the shampoos don’t have much cleaning power in my opinion. Maybe I’m using the products not as intended for me I use these products instead if spray on rinse sealant and saves me that step when I can combine it the wash stage.
John you must try ez ceramic shampoo i know they usually arent great but this protects id love love love to hear your thoughts on this
Ounce jibber jabbers and us gallons. 😂 Yep , normal people use liters and millilitres
Already thinking I’ll just stick with auto wash at 5ml and get any coatings from a spray or wax separately 😂
yer I dont use these type of shampoo's either. But when I get round to cleaning the golf it will be cool. can understand why they work for some people though its just a quick way to wash and protect.
@@ForensicDetailing I use bh touch on through a foam lance, 30ml in 300ml water in the bottle, as a wax topper, lsp, rinse aid.
Great beading high gloss finish
I think car chem ceramic shampoo should be in the test, it won your shampoo test and it’s got clear dilution ratio. Also I don’t mind the cap dilution as it’s practical but a cap for every litre is excessive.
Solid work as usual John, looking forward to the full video.
I am not convinced about shampoos for cars at all John, 2 rules I use, strip wash Fairy Liquid lol and most washes cheap baby shampoo as dont let the car get dirty anyway lol
Maybe there will be a wheel cleaner test for some of us left scratching our heads 🙏🙏 love the content 👍
Out there idea, mainly for fun but you never know.
What about Carchem 1900:1 with a splash of demon shine? I know its opening up a can of worms as where do you end but would be funny to see how it compares.
I'm not entirly sure what demon shine is made of (certainly don't thing its ceramic) but its dirt cheap and does seem to add a little gloss and water beading (I spray on neat with a punp sprayer after autowash) I know its meant to be more of a drying aid than any sort of protection but im not sure any wash and wax/ceramic really adds anything beyond an initial shine.
I'm looking forward to being proven wrong with this mega test though.
As I said in a last comment, its always good to see when marketing tries to pull the wool over our eyes, this time you caught them out on price per wash!
Labocosmetica has a coating shampoo, they are usually very good at giving you the dilution rate. Have not uset it though but I regularly use their acid anti-limescale shampoo (very hard water in my town)
their price is off market its about 6-7 pounds a wash. the expensive ones in this test are around 2 pounds.
@@ForensicDetailing Aha, I hadn't done the math but it looks it needs 100ml/10l so that is quite a lot
seen that with Turtle wax Hybrid. Think they intend you use 1 litre in bucket with 30 microfibre cloths dipping once into the wash liquid to fully wet the cloth, and the car should already be wet too. Just wash the microfibres then, they dont say any of that though
Have you considered adding Labocosmetica to your test range? Was a regular user of Bilt Hamber (thanks to you) but how using Labocosmetica Primus 2.0 and loving it.
always consider it mate I think they have good stuff.
Like your thoughts on AutoFinesse Caramics Enhancing Shampoo. I’ve used it but not that impressed. However their Lavish ceramic foam is brilliant.
Snap lavish is great IMO
Hey bud. I’m sure you get this a lot from people across the pond but I have to ask. What’s the difference between a quid and a pound? Love your channel thanks for all your deep dives throughout the years.
The same as between a dollar and a buck i.e. no difference, a quid is just common slang used for £1.
Awesome been waiting for this. Wax is dead ceramic snow foam has been ok I paid £12. But it’s not really a shampoo. I would only apply these on already cleaned paint to get the most out of the coating.
yer has to be a contact wash for this test.
Infinity wax si02 shampoo is a good one. Nice beads and all that jazz but I can’t remember what the dilutions say on the bottle. I just added a little to the bucket and the wash mitt. Seemed to last me a while as well so after that bro maths I was pretty happy with it 😂
Perhaps it’s just me, but apart from complete unrealistic stellar prices (per liter, per wash, whatever), I don’t really care about the price, because it’s not material to me as part of my ownership cost.
I just care about what’s ‘the best’ product - where I first need help to understand how to define ‘best’.
I feel that over the past reviews there has been too much emphasis on price (e.g. the max 20 points awarded in the previous majour review) - perhaps because that one is easiest to quantify…
But I don’t really care about how easy it is to quantify. I care much more about your experience and perspective on
1.) what do you think are the different criteria that matter for each product category
2.) how does - according to you/your tests - each product rank on those categories
3.) which products do you consider ‘the best’ for different profiles/use cases; e.g. I.) the doesn’t-really-care-about-price-amateur (like me) vs. II.) the concour level professional who has all the equipment and experience to apply even the most complicated-to-apply product vs. III.) the penny-pincer, etc.
This is why we break it into segments because you can ignore price marks or whatever segment I don't rate. Remember thousands watch so we have to compare price because it's important to most.
Very strange from turtle wax, as the description of the product on the halfords uk website says "super concentrated : less is more! For routine cleaning 3fl.oz of product per 4 litres of water" and the price is £11.49 reduced to £10.92.
Tough job you have jon, with these companies, mad how they have different instructions on different platforms.
3 fl Oz is about 87ml. But going by label 4 caps is 60ml for 4 litres. But neither ratio is super concentrated at least it's the worst concentration out of all of them in the test. You could probably make a good case for a refund as that claim can be proven to not be the case.
found best shine gives chemical guys citrus wash, turle wax is very good so slick,very good for clay bar ,snow foam a car etc
You don't need to convert imperial to metric. Cost per wash is dosage for each brand. Bottle size in ml/ dose = number of washes. Then cost of bottle/ number of washes = cost per wash.
Yer but I also want a list of cost per litre just for reference. Does not factor concentration but it's useful.
@ForensicDetailing fair enough if you think that's important, I think cost per wash is all you need. Then your opinion on actual wash performance just like you do with your other video''s. Thanks for all your work, I've just got back into car care and have been watching your videos even from way back. cheers.
Amen to this, it drives me nuts that I need to do all this to get a cost per wash. It's a real con as it stands, as an example, BH Auto Wash is a couple of quid less than DIY Detail Incredible Suds - not a massive difference & people may chose to pay that bit extra. However, once you calculate the cost per wash, BH comes in @ 60p and DIY at £2.20, I bet far fewer people would be willing to pay the true extra.
Auto wash is 5ml per wash roughly. Should give you 17p per wash based on 16.95 for 500ml. Are you in the USA? How much is it there for 500ml?
@ForensicDetailing I'm in the UK but I'm washing an huge Mitsubishi pickup that needs 15ml per wash.
Be carefull overdosing auto wash you can get like white spots from. From run off areas
Totally agree with the imperial vs metric annoyance. If the US aren’t going to join the 21st Century (or even 20th!) then all manufacturers should but both measurements on as standard.
I don’t mind using both. It’s just common for us and for me easy to measure out, say one ounce of product to 1 gallon of water which would be about 30ml into 3.75L, pretty close? I guess an even better tool would be to just say 128:1? (128 oz of water which is a gallon, to 1 oz product)? Which comes out to 8ml of product to 1 liter, 128ml into a 15 liter bucket if you so choose. For me 4 ounces into 4 gallons of water still seems pretty easy to remember and easy to follow. Like I said I don’t mind using both it’s really not that big of a deal.
Are these shampoos any good at removing build-ups of thick, green algae from tailgate top hinges?
No m8
Jibber jabbers lol
I think casual consumers just use a good glug and wouldnt trust a concentrated product, thinking such little volume cant possibly be effective. I however love my concentrated bilt hamber. A teaspoon per bucket is all i need and cost per wash is bugger all. Touch Less costs a bloody fortune though 😂
Agreed, If detailing companies want us to have the best user experience, then they need to make the instructions clear and in the correct measurement- which is the metric system obviously 😂. Fluid Jibber jabbers are a pain in the butt. When I'm not using rinseless wash, I'll use Carpro Reset shampoo as it's got so much lubricity and cleaning power, it'll clean deeper then anything else I've ever used. It's 40ml for 20ltrs, or I use 20ml into 10ltrs, I'll use Touch-on afterwards. Unless they provide a crystal ball with their shampoos then they'll need a slap from Jon 🤜
its more about allowing us to calculate the value. because without a ratio. Or something like 50 ml to 10l (which is a ratio ;) ) Without this info its very easy to blur the lines on value and create perceived value based on a volume of overall liquid.
@ForensicDetailing I did mean that too, I got carried away with our accurate metric system 😆
The "naughty ones" only paid attention to the man in the street. Normal people don't read user manuals, they rather ask on Facebook, and wait several days for an answer. They also don't understand % calculation, and don't know how much 15 ml is. That's why they use the cork as a measuring cup.
Possibly yes. Joe bloggs won't be so aware of cost per wash and be prepared to calculate it . That's why these videos can be good though
Ello
Mate just to go off topic that VAX duo spot wash. Can u be use for stair carpets. Ty all the best. And can u suggest a good kleaning solution for stairs ty again
Yes m8 use vax solution
A bucket should be a defined unit of measure..... to be honest I'm surprised that the Americans haven't done that, the same way a cup is defined.
Found this on Wikipedia:
'As an obsolete unit of measurement, at least one source documents a 'bucket' as being equivalent to 4 imperial gallons (18 L; 4.8 US gal).'
This makes sense as 5 US Gallons appears to be a common size.
Sounds good so 15 litres is a sensible amount. As long as it's sensible and consistent then we are there
If anyone needs to be confused by buckets Google it - John is right - 9-20 litres - horses need more.
Have you got a simple spreadsheet setup to do these calcs for you?
I used to have a laptop in the garage but it slows you down massivly trying to enter data
@@ForensicDetailing Nothing worse than an ailing computer... I guess you have something more powerful for your video editing? I could knock up a spreadsheet for you if it helps do all the conversions and simple bucket maths. Can use OpenOffice of you don't have MS Excel.
I dont use as much of the Turtle Wax product .......bottle lasts ages......
Car is coated with Hybrid Solutions Ceramic Spray Coating.
I wonder how long the ‘ceramic’ shampoos will clog up my cars ceramic coating for, before my coating has returned back to it’s original condition and characteristics! 🤯
Well clog is a bit of a fear term. But if in doubt maintain your coating with coating manufacturers products then you can't go wrong
Good test, you should really try Labocosmetica Revitax, very good ceramic shampoo!
brainstorming. cost per wash would hamper that. at 1:100 thats 150ml for a 15l bucket. gives you 3.x washes in their retail sized offering using our 15 litre benchmark. That would yield around 6-7 pound cost per wash. thats 2-3 times more expensive than the most expensive in the test. Its too far off market m8.
Looking forward to the reviews and results👍. No Carpro!?
not sure they have a ceramic shampoo for contact wash application mate
@@ForensicDetailing ok thanks👍
i think they do actually someone else said ill add it
@@ForensicDetailing CarPro Hydro Foam Wash & Coat, no mention of being a "ceramic" shampoo. Can be used contact wash style or applied after contact wash through a foam lance which is how I use it with amazing results and hydrophobicity. Not used it as a contact wash & protect yet so that would be interesting to see how it fares in this line up if you do decide to add it. Not sure how it would compare on price, in fact, i think the reason I haven't used it as a contact wash product is the ratio in a bucket, I believe its 9:1 which would mean 1500ml (3x 500ml bottles) to a 15 litre bucket (madness). Same ratio for the foam lance so appx 100ml in the cannon to a litre of water and I get 4, maybe 5 cars done with that.
Already so much value to be had out of this! Steers me away of one of the big brands, now I'm nearing the end of a bottle of shampoo. I understand that 11 products is more than enough. Brand/ product that I do miss, is Soft99 Kiwami shampoo. Curious how much you would slap that product for recommended use. But since your experience I'd be much more curious about how you would use this. Since your experience with their products. The recommended usage on this product keep me from buying it. Also would like to know if it is expected to do the same for the mirror shine as for the Kiwami. Dropped chemistry classes as soon as I could so am depending on other brains :)
So if you or anybody else wants to share, would appreciate it a lot.
Really looking for ceramic shampoo in this one
@@ForensicDetailing Ah yes 😬 Good luck with it. Calculations are done, now up to the fun part I hope :) Your Soft99 video's have helped me getting my dad's car to a 'mirror shine'. So glad I could do that for him. Thank you for bringing that product (and others) on my radar.
I’ve tried meguiars , turtle wax valet pro and someone bought me Autoglym and I wasn’t impressed at all . G tecniq was ok but too expensive but bilt hamber had a wash which was very concentrated etc but no suds thou it washed ok so I’m yet to find a good wash . Trying the Koch chemi atm and it feels like it needs a good scoot of fairy liquid to liven it up
Gtech is good value m8. The big 3 are the expensive ones
@@ForensicDetailing always feel like I need to add more gtecniq just to give it a smoothness thou it’s my main shampoo for good cars
Armor All looks like a bottle of washing up liquid
John, im moving to a house out on a gravel road. Is there anything that repels dust and or makes it easier to just rinse off? Thanks
Coating would be top of the pile. some Qd's advertise anti static properties for dust repellency The Fini Kare QD (pink one) advertises this.
Steer clear of soft natural paste waxes they seem to act like glue for dust.
@@ForensicDetailing Your The best! Hilarious too!
Would these ceramic shampoo's work great on cars with spray waxes (Turtle Wax) applied?
Will be fine m8 yes
@@ForensicDetailing Thanks John
Laboscosmetica should be added to the list
Price is off market. It's about 6 to7 pounds a wash.
Where is carpro Hydro2 foam?
:( not there thought it was more like prewashy... but if its contact washy ill put it in.
@@ForensicDetailing Yes it is. And offers true and amazing protection
@@flowinthrou ordered m8 :)
@@ForensicDetailing You are the man
That was a bum steer it has usage ratio of 1 to 9 in bucket. I need to use 3 bottle to wash my car with it once!
Meguiars have replaced this product for a new ceramic wash this product obsolete now
i bought it 2 days ago
@@ForensicDetailing it old stock they brought new one out at sema in America it all in one bottle now u don’t have to mix it but the reviews are not very good what I seen
fair play mate yer I can see it on USA site. sometimes that does not make it way to the UK or can take a while. Im guessing though the whole 2 chambers was problematic and they got people dumping the neat si02 part of the bottle by mistake or something. hopefully its the same product but just premixed.
@@ForensicDetailing yea few the American detailers I watch bel auto spa he test new and old formula he say the old one better
anything wit ceramic on it .. = dont buy it ...
Surely turtle wax is only 10ml per bucket? 1 cap per bucket.....
1 capfull per liter, I use it. Only use 5 liter per wash though.
@@garymartin557 so even at your maths it's 50ml per wash (going by John's maths of 1 cap is 10ml). 227ml as per video is wildly wrong
@@dannnylee 4:23 mate. its all explained there.
@@dannnylee The cap is 15 ml 15*15 liter=225 ml.
@@Hanks427 1 cap per bucket. I've never seen a bucket with a size of 1 litre!