Advice for beginners in judo | Jimmy Pedro and Lex Fridman
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Jimmy Pedro is a judo competitor and coach, world champion, 3x world medalist, 2x Olympic medalist.
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I started judo a few weeks ago after listening to your Travis Stevens episode. Definitely one of the best decisions I have made in a while!
I'm curious tell me what you like about Judo?
@@poopyanalbumhole Well that's not the question I asked or the person I asked it to. But thanks anyway for your advice.
@@johnmatonne7834 lmao
How's going?
Congrats, I hope you really enjoy it and keep practicing.
Exactly like a boxer who never spared, good luck.
So much common-sense talk from Jimmy Pedro. It`s the same in Karate there are many more adults who want to learn but not compete. This is where BJJ have been smart but Judo are missing a trick big time!!
I have exact opposite problem, I would like to go to competition, but oponents are too skilled and there are so few for my age - weight amateurs
What kind of bullshit take is this? You need sparring in any combat sport, it's the closest thing you can do to a real fight, drills and everything else are okay but they don't teach you how to actually fight. It's like saying go to a boxing gym but don't spar.. you ain't gonna learn shit!
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Im sorry but i cant understand the part about not doing randori, I don't compete, but i love randori, thats the only way to see if that move works for you against someone that isnt "compliant" with the technique. You need to be able to perform the move on someone that does not want to end up splattered on the ground in order to do it in a fight. If you do judo as cardio is one thing, but thats not "real" judo at least for me.
Agree 100%. If you're not doing randori, your not doing judo. Imagine doing a chess class where you never play a game of chess.
I mean, a 4x Olympian and the greatest judo coach in the US explains his thought process about making judo more approachable to more people... but ok
This works great if you are already a blue belt and are a 20-30 year old man, not everyone can do randori for hours. And to test a move? If it’s your first time using it obviously it’s not going to be the most effective. And at the end of the day “real” judo is what keeps you alive, even if it’s just running away. The more I re read your comment the more you seem like the guy they are talking about.
Trust me, you have no idea what you are doing. Most Judo players, even if they seem really good to you, have no clue what they are doing or why. Youre just doing things youre told to do, when in reality Judo is the most difficult stand up chess game youll never comprehend. You doing Randori is almost completly uselss for atleast the first 10 years, and then you probably will still never comprehend what is actually going on.
Recreational or Competitive are both real Judo. Judo was created for everyone. Anyone can say they did real Judo when they're strong young and fast but everyone gets old. When your time comes that you do get old and can't compete with the strong young fast guys because your joints are worn and your body can't handle the bangs and falls anymore. Does that invalidate your "real" Judo that you used to do but can't anymore? Randori is great. Many things about Judo are great and sure everyone has their own expression of Judo but emphasizing that one aspect of Judo over the other simply makes Judo incomplete.
Grip Fighting is the key to getting good at Judo and Gi Jujitsu. You basically cannot pull off any moves unless you grip first. Similar to hand fighting in Wrestling.
I am a yellow belt, so fairly fresh, but must say, even though I really like to learn and drill the technical stuff I fkn love randori. It sharpens your mentality to become more resistant to pain and willingness to go to your limits of exhaustion and not giving up. Drilling throws, chokes, submissions and holds, is essential to know what you are doing. But without resistance you will never understand how important it is to be patient, preserve your stamina and wait for the right moment to pull off the right move at the right time. Also only during randori you understand how important it is to be 100% focus at all times, because it only takes one second to get fucked up if you don't pay attention. Can't learn that without randori.
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exactly... You don't have to compete but you deff need to do randori
Sure… but judo without randori is duuuuuull.
And not necessarily easier on your body. I'd rather do randori than extra rounds of nagi komi, getting smashed over and over again.
@@anarchic_ramblings I do judo twice a week and stay after for 30-40 mins for randori. Its rough but so fun
You need a gripping system, which is both offensive and defensive. It’s both the grips you want and countering the other person’s grip. The latter consumes most of my effort. Judo is a grip fight. Countering the other guy’s grip and countering his counters is a fight and it fatigues and hurts the hands. When competing my hands were always jacked up. Toes and feet, too, but that’s another thing entirely.
There's also a big misunderstanding in regard of "randori" since almot 100% of people mistakes it for "shiai". What you're talking about, when you say "using force and terrible technique", is shiai, not randori. Shiai is the real battle between two judokas, where tori/uke rules are no more; randori is dinamically practicing the techniques you're studying so that if the technique is there your "opponent" will allow it to enter but before it he/she will do whatever they can to avoid it, to defend and to make theirs (technique). In randori the goal is to feel the technique and the opponent's movements, to use what you learn as naturally as possible without the pressure of the battle. And let me add that randori, for me at least, has another great purpose: to learn how to use your force efficiently without making any harm to the opponent. And in Judo it's very difficult because force is an essential part of it.
thats a very good point. Sounds like flow sparring in striking or bjj
The average person is too stupid and proud to do randori correctly. In BJJ this is how drilling is supposed to happen, you're supposed to use movement and correct reactions, but they either go full resistance or just be a wet noodle. Then in rolling they go for blood. They don't understand that drilling is supposed to be the middle ground. We just don't have a sophisticated level of training in the West for judo at most places. In Japan they have this culture where randori is not balls to the walls it's more like what you're describing, and they're really good as a result. Unfortunately people here are too stupid and proud to get that.
Took a Jimmy Pedro grip fighting seminar, at Portland Judo, one of the most instructive classes I’ve ever had. White belt then, now a 3rd degree brown belt.
66 years old and I only randori with brown or black belts who know I just want to play.
I’m a wrestler and i decided to turn to Judo 🥋 I’ll start in the next week I’ll see how it goes
How is it
@@2elims-986 i guess he's dead now, killed in randori
You,ll love it!
I always looked to grip my opponents sleeve first... never the lapel first. I also ALWAYS played opposite grip. I fought at 60kg and all those guys were faster than i was. Thats how i slowed everything down.
it's not that i don't want to compete. Everyone who is serious about Judo or any sports should compete. Just that I'm 30 something years old. It's not going to work against 20 something
Yep, thank you Sensei Pedro for point this out! The good thing is that there is so much information online right now, it's really just up to the students to learn and stay motivated!
I fought a few times in Thai boxing done well 😂 I have a full time job kids ❤ am 38 and want to learn judo xxx 🤷♂️
for standup grappling: learn how to fall and practice it a lot, train and drill the basic entrys for the throws/sweeps a lot, learn how to connect your favorite throws/sweeps in a way that makes sense. So when you cant execute one throw you have a Plan B and C
Is 53 to old to start judo? A healthy 53, not decrepit.
@@JacksonTaylorandTheSinnersnever too old
Is his left thumb still able to grip?
Love Jimmy Pedro but I have to disagree with him about recreational judoka and randori. Every club I have ever been to randori is an integral part of the class. The non competitors have fun and try moves they have learned against resistance. You can join a judo club to be a student of the sport. You can join to learn, get in better condition and to protect yourself. Randori is an integral part of each session but you do not have to go hard or even participate in it if you don't want to.
Yeah even Heiko Rommelman, the best US kata practitioner in the world, does randori every practice.
If you don't do randori what the purpose of doing judo 🥋
I,m a second degree black belt and my sensei who was a six degree told me we teach them how to throw first, then teach the art of grip work!
sooo good hand fighting skills?
We call randori the after party
Randori actually makes you learn how to use it. Knowing the technique and actually knowing to use it are two dirfferent things. So i cant agree with you
Definitely disagree with him on randori
God fucking dammit, I was hoping to try to get into Judo once I move somewhere where Judo schools exist as a 27 year old with a martial arts and boxing background... BUT, I have two almost useless, weak, disables hands.
It is unpleasant for me just to tie my shoes and brush my teeth, so it would not even be possible for me to expect to ever be able to develop a solid "gripping system" as he call it. God dammit
I'm pretty new to this and I haven't trained without gripping but I think there are options. I believe some throws can start with hooking your arm behind the head or around the waist. Could be a possibility to look into.
There are throws where you don’t seem to need a grip like that…I dunno, maybe looking at no gi specifically might help you out-just search up some no gi judo. Nick Yonezuka has a really good channel and has some no gi in there. Not a SOLUTION, but just to say “Hey, there are some things out there still”. Obviously having the ability to grip is helpful and of course at times necessary though, no matter what you’re doing. Don’t give up my man! Try a class and see! Most are free at least the first class!
maybe you should start with no gi grappling, should be easier to find solutions with your hands. then you could add gi training if you like.
Hey, hey, hey! What's wrong with ugly technique, winning by force?! That's all I got...
I was pushed to compete at 40, lost both my matches. The next time I went back to class I was thrown 100 times without a crash mat. I was totally beaten and I quit about a month later and started jiu jitsu.
My knee hurts again just from listening to this!
Tbh I wish I could drill more and have time to drill - that’s more important to me than Randori
I just want my shodan.
Business talk, what is wrong with these guy? What is this recreation Judo? Ahh…Judo for wimps who are scared of being thrown. That is my honest opinion. I live in Shizuoka, Japan and been doing Judo for 13 years.
projecting/overcompensating much?
Well said!
otherwise known as “judo for americans” 😂
Interesting. I think every coach I ever had would say you aren't really doing judo if you aren't doing randori.
On another podcast, he mentioned that it’s not that they never do randori but they delay when they start it. For example a day one white belt wouldn’t but someone who has drilled for a year would (I can’t remember specifics as I’m working strictly off memory)
Too much randori can cause injury. Most Judo injuries occur during randori.
@@Babygirlly555 what makes judo great is that it is “real”. You really throw people, you really get thrown. You really strangle people. You really get strangled. Etc. Unlike the martial arts where you go around punching and kicking the air or breaking boards, in judo you really fight. That is why judo is so good for self-defense. Without randori you don’t really have that so you don’t really have judo.
As for injuries, you can get injured wrestling, playing basketball, playing pickleball. If you are going to be active, if you are going to do a sport, there is a chance for injury.
I trained Judo as a kid but that is so far away from now that i would barely know how to grip right at all hahaha
Do you get inspired to pick it up again? ;)
@@jacobsl3499 i actually considered it. It could be a lot of fun.
@@Luisminous do it man
You're still young. Do it. It's great even in your 30s - 40s. It's definitely a workout.
I'm not going to lie I hate randori
uuummmm yeah the whole non randori judo thing already exists just about everywhere.... it's called JAPANESE JUJUTSU (add or subtract 'I's and 'U's at leisure), that shit is everywhere, if thats what you want don't go to a judo place where young knuckleheads will scoff at your injuries while you try and train the 'art' that they aren't bothered with