Absalon, fili mi (with score)

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ย. 2024
  • Performed by Ars Nova (1992)
    Bo Holten, conductor
    Note: the upper voices sing a D-flat in m. 34.

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  • @GunnarderJotnar
    @GunnarderJotnar 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What makes me really happy in life is to know that it exists people who are crazy enough to record this in the "original" tonality.

  • @monscarmeli
    @monscarmeli 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I utterly refuse to unattribute this to the mighty Josquin.

    • @starless5668
      @starless5668 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I don't really care who actually wrote it - we will never find out for sure. Let's just enjoy the music.

    • @williamwhite2971
      @williamwhite2971 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      k

    • @lauralegido4089
      @lauralegido4089 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      We have to start to consider that there's not only one genious per decade. Pierre de La Rue is also amazing

  • @johanndominik2032
    @johanndominik2032 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It is one of the most tragic stories from the Old Testament (2 Sam 13-19). King David of Israel had a lot of children. Two of them were Salomon and Absalom. Salomon should once become the successor of David. Absalom was quite rebellious and formed an army against his father in order to become king over Israel. The whole situation escalated so that father and son went into a kind of civil war with each other. David commanded his troups to catch his son but to spare his life. After a wilde battle, David won. While Absalom was forced to retreat and rode back on his mule, he got stuck with his head between the limbs of a tree and hung their helplessly until Joab, the commander of King David's army, killed him. All Israel was happy that the civil war was over and public order was restored but as soon as King David learned that his son died in the battle, he burst into tears. No matter how bad their relationship has been in recent years, no matter how much misery Absalom brought to the Israelites, it was still his son. David was full of sorrow and spoke those words that Pierre de la Rue or maybe Josquin des Prez set to music. This explains why there are only male voices. This is a father mourning for his dead son.
    Pierre de la Rue (1452-1518) or Josquin des Prez (1455-1521): Absalon, fili mi
    Probably written for the funeral of Philip I of Castile (1478-1506), son of Emperor Maximilian I (1459-1519).
    Absalon fili mi,
    quis det ut moriar pro te, Absalon?
    Non vivam ultra,
    sed descendam in infernum plorans.
    Absalon my son,
    who grants me to die instead of you, Absalon?
    I shall live no more,
    but go down to hell, weeping.
    2 Samuel 18:33 (cf. Job 7:16; cf. Psalm 54:16)

    • @kultus
      @kultus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for all this background!

  • @andrewpearson1903
    @andrewpearson1903 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The other bass in my choir might be able to hit that Bb at the end. Exquisite, thank you for posting

    • @froschgrosch5247
      @froschgrosch5247 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Bb1 at the end is actually audible, it's just very faint

  • @anaclaudianunes4271
    @anaclaudianunes4271 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    É perfeito !!!!

  • @slangelands4255
    @slangelands4255 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bravo! The Db is a totally appropriate application of "una nota super la, semper est canandem fa", a late statement of a rule describing earlier practice.

  • @almiro44
    @almiro44 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Joquin des Près, mais conhecido como o principe dos compositores do Renascimento, um arranjo extremamente de harmonia rica numa época arcaica onde a música ainda estava em estado de evolução, acredito que os contrapontos de imitação evoluiu a partir de suas obras.

  • @anaclaudianunes4271
    @anaclaudianunes4271 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Bravíssimo!!

  • @priscilamondlane6291
    @priscilamondlane6291 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bravo ❤️❤️❤️❤️
    Can you send me the sheet?
    Please.
    God bless you.

  • @ricardosmith8381
    @ricardosmith8381 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There are difetent keys, why?

  • @leanandmeanproductions687
    @leanandmeanproductions687 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful -- but why isn't the Dflat that is sung in the top part at 1:36 indicated in the score?

    • @glennpillsbury3262
      @glennpillsbury3262  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Probably just an oversight on the part of the editor.

  • @hyojoon_oo8693
    @hyojoon_oo8693 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    3:33 지옥에 데려가주세요

  • @leonelbat
    @leonelbat 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Musica reservata

  • @든해-z3u
    @든해-z3u 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    3:30

  • @ZephaniahL
    @ZephaniahL ปีที่แล้ว

    What did a motet mean in Josquin’s context?

    • @glennpillsbury3262
      @glennpillsbury3262  ปีที่แล้ว

      Generally speaking (though there could be exceptions), it meant a polyphonic setting of a Biblical text, in Latin.

  • @pu4124
    @pu4124 ปีที่แล้ว

    0:07

  • @pauliendeboutte4317
    @pauliendeboutte4317 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Josquin Deprez

  • @solignaciabravo9138
    @solignaciabravo9138 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    ars nova?

  • @홍성-d2t
    @홍성-d2t 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    죠스캥 4성부 모테트 모방대위법

  • @felicitascunningham9008
    @felicitascunningham9008 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    🎶💯✝️🙏🏽🌈

  • @itsdarksucks
    @itsdarksucks 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Found out about this piece this year while studying Early Music as a part of a Music degree. Absolutely beautiful piece of music (regardless of if Josquin or Pierre composed it), thank you for sharing this wonderful interpretation!
    By chance, is there a link to this version of the score? Im thinking if performing this piece with a quartet I sing in but cant find this score on IMSLP. Any help would be appreciated :)