What Makes Pop Punk Guitars Sound Bad?
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I want a chug chug heavy guitar tone on power chords tuned to E standard
Mood
Go getting £10,000 worth of gear to have it sound good then 😂😂
Chad Gilbert from New Found Glory's guitar tone comes to mind. Just a Les Paul into a pure Dual Rectifier.
@Benji PC I love them
Guitar with humbuckers
Another good topic. I think a lot of times the tendency to go too gain heavy on guitars comes from guitarists practicing on their own as opposed to with a band the majority of the time and mistaking a lack of gain + low end for bad tone. It becomes a habit to compensate for this when dialing in a sound and then, when it comes time to start getting into recording (especially if that player is new to the process), they unintentionally carry over these habits and end up muddying up the mix, not realizing that the band itself will fill a lot of those holes in the guitars sound (and for the better!).
One trick iv used is to pan your gain tracks L & R and then have a much cleaner / on edge of breakup guitar in the centre. Makes the guitars sound fatter adds clarity to all the notes in the chords and takes away some of thin fizziness you get from a lot of gain.
Great tip, I do this all the time too!
Man your channel is a fucking treasure trove for songwriters.
OMG, why have I NEVER thought of dialing in effects while I'm listening to the mix?? I've always done it while the track is stopped.
You can see this a little in your full mix examples, but it's also important to know gain on any one instrument in the mix is multiplied by gain on another instrument in a mix. So if you have a little gain on two guitars, it will sound like both guitars have a medium amount of gain. Gain on any guitar track is gain added to the song as a whole. You almost always need less gain on each guitar than you're using if you have multiple guitar tracks.
100%. Even things like having a distorted bass tone can make the guitar sound seem a lot heavier / more distorted than it really is.
The only place where I believe this metal-ish tone might be justified is in some hybrid subgenres like ADTR-style easycore, but after watching your video I'm sure that even for them, the brighter parts (choruses and such) use this kind of lighter distorsion
For sure, with Easycore you'd want to take a different approach, as the metalcore element influences the production a lot more.
@@SugarpillProd True. I'd always thought the main "core" factor on those bands were the screams, double bass drums and breakdowns, but actually it's true that guitar production changes a lot
Thankyou for referencing Mxpx!
I really think the Neural DSP of Tim Henson has one of the best pop-punk tones compared to Nameless, Noli, and Cali Suite. It's very underrated and doesn't have that much distortion, assuming one doesn't over-tone or distort it. Of course they can all be toned in a way to sound less distorted for pop-punk tones, but Tim Henson's amp is overlooked as a pop-punk tone, especially since Neural is targeted mainly at heavy distortion metal heads lol.
you wanna use the least amount of distortion you can get away with, always gives you a better mix. with heavier stuff like metal, you might need a little more for pick squeels, but still, the least amount of gain you can get away with
100%.
You also need to lower the bass (knob not instrument) in your gritty channel for recording. Kind of goes hand and hand with gain.
Hey man, where do you get the multitracks for all those songs?
love your vids man, btw whats the intro riff you played, sounds like blink?
Thanks! It's just a riff I wrote for this video here - th-cam.com/video/2ZtHrwm8qVg/w-d-xo.html
@@SugarpillProd i knew you used it before just didnt know if it was a song. thanks! you should totally release it
@@TheCrimsonGhost677 Thanks, yeah I may eventually work it into something release-able at some point, haha.
In my opinion, the cleaner the tone, the more a high-end specification guitar is required, as such guitars tend to provide excellent resolution and an appealing sound. However, these guitars are often expensive. It seems that individuals using mid-range to budget guitars may unconsciously emphasize distortion to compensate for these limitations.
Boogie Dual Recs make punk guitars sound crappy IMO. To be more precise, because there is very little open space in punk, that huge low end smothers the bass, and IMO the scooped mids just sound weird. If you EQ out the low end and get it to work in the mix, all you've got left is a thin, high pitched fizzy tone, like the early Blink stuff. Other than a few exceptions that I can think of, when you mix Mesa Boogies and punk you either get a weird mix, or weird tone.
Yeah I tend to agree. I think that's why Blink used the bi-amp method for their later records, as the Marshall was able to fill in the gaps from the Mesa tone.
@@SugarpillProd Yeah, for sure. Its funny because everyone associates Tom with Mesa for some reason, but his tone got infinately better once he started using a Marshall as well. There are a couple 10 ft Pole albums that sound like they used Boogies, and theres nothing glaringly wrong with the mix or the guitar tone. Even there though, I'm not sure the Boogies actually added anything.
Yeah, I think it can work well in a skate punk context - like Pennywise, early Blink, Lagwagon, etc. But if you don't want to sound like an early Fat Wreck / Epitaph release - with that more thrashy edge - then the scooped metal sound never really fits quite right. It does seem to be the default for a lot of people - but my guess is because it sounds better in isolation, than it does in a full mix.
@@SugarpillProd One pop punk band that rocked the Boogies pretty well was Zebrahead, but to me it sounds like they also used pedals quite a bit too. Not a bad idea really, use the Boogie gain to beef up riffage that needs it, use a more manageable pedal gain for everything else.
well with me I max the mids. I learn with fuzz pedals if cut out bass before the fuzz you get good mid heavy fuzz tone.
1:01 Instant Crassic NOFX
What song is that at the end??
"Love Or Lustral" by Harsh, Bro (my band).
Too much gain that’s not mid focused. Powerchord heavy music needs defined mids and upper mids
0:52 “I should have turned back, I should have known better”
I know it’s not. Just. Lol. Come on. Lol.
what was that tone at the end?
The song with the vocals?
But I want my music to be a muddy bloated Dude Ranch style record not toypaj
Try to Look at skate punk instead of Pop punk then best advice I can give
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Song at 1:16?
It's the song I wrote for my "10 Modern Pop Punk Clichés" video.
@@SugarpillProd Nice sound you wrote!
What’s the song at 0:08
Punk Rawk Show - MxPx
What's that awesome song at the end?
If you mean the one with the vocals, then it's "Love Or Lustral" by Harsh, Bro (my band).
@@SugarpillProd yep, that's the one! Awesome song man
Song?? 🧟
1:40
just responding so i can get notified when theres an answer
Less is always more.
Great video with some great advice.
This is a lot of opinion. And not a good video to follow
Bummer, thanks for checking it out anyway 🤘
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Good stuff bro