These are excellent cab rides, the best on You Tube. The captions and helpful descriptions of historical and infrastructure features really make them stand out. Very well done!
Brilliant video! I love how varied the line is from threading its way around the backstreets of Grimsby to the flat Lincolnshire fields and then the suburbs of Lincoln!
As a 63-year old, it is almost heartbreaking to hear the Cleethorpes-Grimsby Town stretch described as a “branch”. In the 1960’s it was double track and filled with summer holiday expresses. Perhaps government consider seaside resorts somehow vulgar as they killed off Hunstanton and Mablethorpe by totally withdrawing rail services. Only its proximity to Grimsby saved Cleethorpes. The worst they could do to Cleethorpes was cut the direct service to London (once filling trains 3-4 times per day) and cutting several other regional services. People simply don’t want to use the “skeleton” train service that remains and so Cleethorpes won’t last long as a railway terminus for passengers. The infrastructure will probably survive simply as place to stable trains overnight.
I used to get into Grimsby on the inbound HST late at night and it'd run almost empty to Cleethorpes as it was poorly advertised. Elderly and disabled travellers were furious when Barnetby was destaffed in 1992.
Trainspotting in th 50's at Cleethorpes with direct trains to Kings Cross, Birmingham, Derby Nottingham and even summer Saturday train to Exeter.So sad to see it now a single line extension from Grimsby.
I really enjoy watching these cab ride videos, always interesting to see where the unit has been going and lots of great railway history along the way as well. Definitely looking forward to the rest of the return trip!
Between Grimsby station and the fish docks area the line seems to have been un-bent a little bit. Around 1970-71 I use to in the school holidays get a couple of day trips to Cleethorpes and remember after Grimsby station the track did a sort of S-bend between the buildings with the wheels screaming their complaint at the tight curves. It was also fun as a fourteen year old leaning out the door window watching the carriages bend around the curves.
This is somewhat out of date now. The train crossing at the start of the film now has a fantastic new bridge over it. Wow!. and its disabled friendly. See they think of everything.
excellent footage, reminds me of my school days with a rover called Young Explorer.. caught many a 47 between Cleethorpes and Grantham.. loved that run.. thanks for showing from the cab.
Seeing all the former stations closed in the 1960's on this journey reminds us that Dear old Dr Beeching didn't just close down entire lines as part of his review but many stations too.
I have a question: The "clanks" of the jointed rail are much less frequent than I would expect at that speed. For example, I've ridden on Amtrak's Cardinal over jointed rail in Virginia at about 45 mph and had a nice rocking and nearly constant clatter, though I was sitting near the end of the coach, so heard the bogie on the coach before us. So, either your rail sections are longer than we have here in the States (the standard is 39', the better to fit into the 40' gondolas that used to be standard length for a freight car), or you don't stagger the joints from one rail to the other (that's standard practice in the States, but it does run the risk of setting up a harmonic rocking of the cars at a particular speed range that can even cause them to tip off the track).
Good question. The speed you can check from the mileposts which are often to be seen at quarter-mile intervals (where they are visible / still exist, on any of our videos). Jointed-track rail lengths in the UK are typically 60 feet. They're even known as "60-foots", though I realise that itself doesn't necessarily mean much (we also call the space between the rails the "four-foot" yet it's 8.5 inches wider than that!). As far as I can tell it's not our practice to stagger the rail joints, they would be directly opposite one another. There have been a few sections of jointed track with shorter rails giving the sort of effect you mention, I have a recording of one from 20 years ago between Chilham and Chartham (in Kent) - it was notable by its rarity.
Well, that would explain it, yes. Incidentally, my local transit authority has been posting cabride videos from both the Chicago L and the Metra suburban service, if you'd like to see how it is over here. I do envy you, having such a comprehensive system, even if it is a shade of what it was before Beeching.
I may be 'telling my grandmother how to suck eggs' here, but remember that the jointing is done differently in Britain in comparison with the US. In Britain, both left and right rails have their joints at the same spot, thus giving the familiar 'di-da di-da, di-da di-da' sound once so familiar. The US had rail joints that were half a track-length apart, giving the regular 'di-di - di-di - di-di' sound of the US railways. Maybe this is what you noticed different!
Please find what's rattling in the rear cab and tape it down. Sounds like its about to drop off lol. Love the videos though and the historic captions make it even better
Thank you, I never realised how flat Lincolnshire is. Realising when this episode was made, I feel a little stupid, to ask, jn the future could you add a picture of the train. Like the addition of the change of bearing, it does aid one to remember, where we are. Thank you. Patrick, Northamptonshire
Great video! Just a couple of minor things i've noticed in the captions: Ulceby is spelled incorrectly as "Ucelby", and Holton-le-Moor level crossing is mentioned as an AHB when it is an MCB. Excellent work though, look forward to the next section if it's going up!
Thank you for this. Yes, Someone else had spotted the mis-spelling of Ulceby (I had "Claxby & Ussebly" on the brain!). And you're right, a cut'n'paste error means I've got Holton-le-Moor crossing wrong on both videos. The Errata sections in the descriptions have been updated accordingly. Glad you like the videos, and I do hope to get back to work on these... just as soon as I've got the website more mobile-friendly and written a few of the articles from my backlog!
Thanks for the captions in the top right of the screen. They really enhance my enjoyment of these excellent videos. I noticed some small square objects placed just inside the running rails on this video and also on the Lincoln to Cleethorpes one. Can anyone tell me what they are for? Axle counters maybe, or something else?
Hi there just a quick question I've noticed your next railtour is from Hastings to kings Lynn I just wanted to know if you would be able to record the journey from the cab on this railtour? Don't worry if you can't. Cheers Tom
I don't have actual road knowledge - anyone who does, please evaluate my answer! - but looking at the video at 52:20 we can see that signal P982 has both a junction route indicator and a shunt signal. Likewise signal P983 coming the other way, seen at 4:54 on the next video (Cleethorpes to Lincoln). In both cases we accepted those signals with no junction route indicator lit and were routed via the Cleethorpes Single, but it stands to reason that had the JRI been lit we'd have been routed via the Grimsby Loop. In both directions the exit from the Grimsby Loop is controlled by a ground-level colour-light signal. I think the shunt signal on the same post must, therefore, be provided to allow permissive working of some kind into the Grimsby Loop, e.g. to allow a light locomotive to run-round its own train that's sitting in the loop and to re-couple to the other end.
It is indeed signalled for passenger trains. They are full aspect signals placed on the ground rather than shunt signals. I don't think it has any booked passenger moves through it currently, but is regularly used if trains are running late, and has regular ECS moves and track recording trains booked through it.
Are you sure? The Network Rail Sectional Appendix clearly shows it as "Marsh West Jn". On the signal box itself, as seen on the video the name-plate just says "Marsh Jn". And on the TRUST timings published on our website it refers to "Grimsby Marsh Jn". Nobody seems to agree!
Hey, that was quick! I wasn't expecting this for several weeks at least. You refer to this as the return journey to Hastings. Will you show all of this, including beyond Kensington Olympia?
Thanks! This is indeed the return journey, from Cleethorpes towards Hastings. I didn't film all the way to Hastings, because it was just about dark at 9pm by the time we get to Olympia - and I don't live in (or anywhere near) Hastings and I left the tour at Olympia. Ya still get around 10 hours' footage! :)
Thank you! Part 7 is the last one *at the moment* but I intend to produce more - back to at least Willesden Junction via Peterborough, Welwyn and Camden Road. Parts 8 and beyond should appear in the next ...., oh, I daren’t commit myself! 😂 Between a week and a year, hopefully nearer a week. 😏
nice smooth coasting....you wait till drops slightly before more power or wait til say 10mph less then back on power. ?..I assume you max at 65-70 rather than push her at full pelt ...75mph ? if you coast down...and go over max ,say 80,is it safe to stay at 80 or would you brake back slightly?..I would tend to enjoy the 80 lol
If the speed limit is 75, then 75 is the maximum speed at which the train may travel. You can't go faster. Depending upon schedule and load, the driver might try to keep as close to 75mph as possible, or might be able to make more use of coasting.
Nothing prepared that hasn't now been published. I've been busy (a) actually managing actual railtours, and (b) dealing with the website, as well as (c) dealing with our AGM for which I somehow have Minutes to write up! Never a dull moment even when I'm not at my day-job. Oh, and recording another 60GB of footage to King's Lynn on Saturday! But I haven't forgotten Cleethorpes footage. :)
I would love to. I have so much material. There just literally isn't any time at present - up to my eyeballs with work for my employer, I'm up at 0425 tomorrow for work too, I'm afraid HDL is basically a hobby that I service when time permits. Again: I would love to, and I will get time at some stage!
I clicked on youtube and saw amongst my suggestions this ride and so selected.
As soon as I saw 'Hastings DEMU I knew I would not be disappointed.
These are excellent cab rides, the best on You Tube. The captions and helpful descriptions of historical and infrastructure features really make them stand out. Very well done!
Thank you, I'm glad you appreciate them!
Brilliant video! I love how varied the line is from threading its way around the backstreets of Grimsby to the flat Lincolnshire fields and then the suburbs of Lincoln!
I want to live at Brocklesby Station! What a beautiful building.
I’ve missed these vids take me back to 2016/7 lol I’ve been watching them all again :0)
These videos really are excellent. Thank you.
As a 63-year old, it is almost heartbreaking to hear the Cleethorpes-Grimsby Town stretch described as a “branch”. In the 1960’s it was double track and filled with summer holiday expresses. Perhaps government consider seaside resorts somehow vulgar as they killed off Hunstanton and Mablethorpe by totally withdrawing rail services.
Only its proximity to Grimsby saved Cleethorpes. The worst they could do to Cleethorpes was cut the direct service to London (once filling trains 3-4 times per day) and cutting several other regional services. People simply don’t want to use the “skeleton” train service that remains and so Cleethorpes won’t last long as a railway terminus for passengers. The infrastructure will probably survive simply as place to stable trains overnight.
I used to get into Grimsby on the inbound HST late at night and it'd run almost empty to Cleethorpes as it was poorly advertised. Elderly and disabled travellers were furious when Barnetby was destaffed in 1992.
Trainspotting in th 50's at Cleethorpes with direct trains to Kings Cross, Birmingham, Derby Nottingham and even summer Saturday train to Exeter.So sad to see it now a single line extension from Grimsby.
I really enjoy watching these cab ride videos, always interesting to see where the unit has been going and lots of great railway history along the way as well. Definitely looking forward to the rest of the return trip!
Between Grimsby station and the fish docks area the line seems to have been un-bent a little bit. Around 1970-71 I use to in the school holidays get a couple of day trips to Cleethorpes and remember after Grimsby station the track did a sort of S-bend between the buildings with the wheels screaming their complaint at the tight curves. It was also fun as a fourteen year old leaning out the door window watching the carriages bend around the curves.
More please, your cab rides are the best UK ones on You Tube, so informative....thank you
Thank you, glad you appreciate it. More in the pipeline... when I get a few days free!
Brilliant ! Thank you
This is somewhat out of date now. The train crossing at the start of the film now has a fantastic new bridge over it. Wow!. and its disabled friendly. See they think of everything.
Wonderful. Thank you. So many memories.
excellent footage, reminds me of my school days with a rover called Young Explorer.. caught many a 47 between Cleethorpes and Grantham.. loved that run.. thanks for showing from the cab.
The return journey thank you.....
Seeing all the former stations closed in the 1960's on this journey reminds us that Dear old Dr Beeching didn't just close down entire lines as part of his review but many stations too.
1970 was a bad year for rail closures across the board Devon Scotland East Anglia Lincs and the northwest all in October.
Excellent presentation, as expected.
0:59 you lad in Cleethorpes is loving it!
Wonder if the driver waved back at him ? He’d be in his glory if he did 👍🇨🇦
Thank you again, brilliant uploads.
Lincolnshire - "Big Sky County" :-)
I have a question: The "clanks" of the jointed rail are much less frequent than I would expect at that speed. For example, I've ridden on Amtrak's Cardinal over jointed rail in Virginia at about 45 mph and had a nice rocking and nearly constant clatter, though I was sitting near the end of the coach, so heard the bogie on the coach before us. So, either your rail sections are longer than we have here in the States (the standard is 39', the better to fit into the 40' gondolas that used to be standard length for a freight car), or you don't stagger the joints from one rail to the other (that's standard practice in the States, but it does run the risk of setting up a harmonic rocking of the cars at a particular speed range that can even cause them to tip off the track).
Good question. The speed you can check from the mileposts which are often to be seen at quarter-mile intervals (where they are visible / still exist, on any of our videos). Jointed-track rail lengths in the UK are typically 60 feet. They're even known as "60-foots", though I realise that itself doesn't necessarily mean much (we also call the space between the rails the "four-foot" yet it's 8.5 inches wider than that!). As far as I can tell it's not our practice to stagger the rail joints, they would be directly opposite one another. There have been a few sections of jointed track with shorter rails giving the sort of effect you mention, I have a recording of one from 20 years ago between Chilham and Chartham (in Kent) - it was notable by its rarity.
Well, that would explain it, yes. Incidentally, my local transit authority has been posting cabride videos from both the Chicago L and the Metra suburban service, if you'd like to see how it is over here. I do envy you, having such a comprehensive system, even if it is a shade of what it was before Beeching.
I may be 'telling my grandmother how to suck eggs' here, but remember that the jointing is done differently in Britain in comparison with the US. In Britain, both left and right rails have their joints at the same spot, thus giving the familiar 'di-da di-da, di-da di-da' sound once so familiar. The US had rail joints that were half a track-length apart, giving the regular 'di-di - di-di - di-di' sound of the US railways. Maybe this is what you noticed different!
Please find what's rattling in the rear cab and tape it down. Sounds like its about to drop off lol.
Love the videos though and the historic captions make it even better
Thank you, I never realised how flat Lincolnshire is. Realising when this episode was made, I feel a little stupid, to ask, jn the future could you add a picture of the train. Like the addition of the change of bearing, it does aid one to remember, where we are. Thank you. Patrick, Northamptonshire
@patric...This part of Lincolnshire is the hilly bit... You should see how flat a flat part is !! 😁👍
Except for Lincoln, try walking up Steep Hill, they were not joking when they named it !!
Great video! Just a couple of minor things i've noticed in the captions: Ulceby is spelled incorrectly as "Ucelby", and Holton-le-Moor level crossing is mentioned as an AHB when it is an MCB. Excellent work though, look forward to the next section if it's going up!
Thank you for this. Yes, Someone else had spotted the mis-spelling of Ulceby (I had "Claxby & Ussebly" on the brain!). And you're right, a cut'n'paste error means I've got Holton-le-Moor crossing wrong on both videos. The Errata sections in the descriptions have been updated accordingly. Glad you like the videos, and I do hope to get back to work on these... just as soon as I've got the website more mobile-friendly and written a few of the articles from my backlog!
Thanks for the captions in the top right of the screen. They really enhance my enjoyment of these excellent videos. I noticed some small square objects placed just inside the running rails on this video and also on the Lincoln to Cleethorpes one. Can anyone tell me what they are for? Axle counters maybe, or something else?
16:50, Roxton Sdgs box. That's me on the down side (left) of the crossing.
At least you could have combed your hair
Hi there just a quick question I've noticed your next railtour is from Hastings to kings Lynn I just wanted to know if you would be able to record the journey from the cab on this railtour? Don't worry if you can't. Cheers Tom
That is the plan!
Is the Grimsby Loop signalled for passenger trains? I ask as it only seems to have shunt signals.
I don't have actual road knowledge - anyone who does, please evaluate my answer! - but looking at the video at 52:20 we can see that signal P982 has both a junction route indicator and a shunt signal. Likewise signal P983 coming the other way, seen at 4:54 on the next video (Cleethorpes to Lincoln). In both cases we accepted those signals with no junction route indicator lit and were routed via the Cleethorpes Single, but it stands to reason that had the JRI been lit we'd have been routed via the Grimsby Loop. In both directions the exit from the Grimsby Loop is controlled by a ground-level colour-light signal. I think the shunt signal on the same post must, therefore, be provided to allow permissive working of some kind into the Grimsby Loop, e.g. to allow a light locomotive to run-round its own train that's sitting in the loop and to re-couple to the other end.
It is indeed signalled for passenger trains. They are full aspect signals placed on the ground rather than shunt signals. I don't think it has any booked passenger moves through it currently, but is regularly used if trains are running late, and has regular ECS moves and track recording trains booked through it.
Great to see this, but must point out that it is West Marsh Junction not Marsh West Junction, just outside of Grimsby.
Are you sure? The Network Rail Sectional Appendix clearly shows it as "Marsh West Jn". On the signal box itself, as seen on the video the name-plate just says "Marsh Jn". And on the TRUST timings published on our website it refers to "Grimsby Marsh Jn". Nobody seems to agree!
Hey, that was quick! I wasn't expecting this for several weeks at least. You refer to this as the return journey to Hastings. Will you show all of this, including beyond Kensington Olympia?
Thanks! This is indeed the return journey, from Cleethorpes towards Hastings. I didn't film all the way to Hastings, because it was just about dark at 9pm by the time we get to Olympia - and I don't live in (or anywhere near) Hastings and I left the tour at Olympia. Ya still get around 10 hours' footage! :)
Excellent videos - cab you tell me if part 7 is the last of the series, or are there more parts? Regards and thanks, Dana.
Thank you! Part 7 is the last one *at the moment* but I intend to produce more - back to at least Willesden Junction via Peterborough, Welwyn and Camden Road. Parts 8 and beyond should appear in the next ...., oh, I daren’t commit myself! 😂 Between a week and a year, hopefully nearer a week. 😏
Travel back to 1990 to see semaphore signalling choppers 47s 31s and 37s 😊
I see the boys/girls in blue seem to know where to be for a quite life!!
Whats the maximum speed of the train
75mph
Thank you,great videos,im only down the rails a little at Rye,and have had the pleasure of seeing this fine train in the past
nice smooth coasting....you wait till drops slightly before more power or wait til say 10mph less then back on power. ?..I assume you max at 65-70 rather than push her at full pelt ...75mph ? if you coast down...and go over max ,say 80,is it safe to stay at 80 or would you brake back slightly?..I would tend to enjoy the 80 lol
If the speed limit is 75, then 75 is the maximum speed at which the train may travel. You can't go faster. Depending upon schedule and load, the driver might try to keep as close to 75mph as possible, or might be able to make more use of coasting.
Any possible new train ride videos possible ? Regards, Dana.
I began work on Cleethorpes Part 8 yesterday, got about 60% of the way through it... watch this space.
is this never ending vibration from the engin or is something rubbing on the microphone
It's general rattling of fittings within the cab. The train is 60 years old, after all...
Scenery looked good and i probably would have watched it but that constant rattling would have driven me insane!
@@peter92305 I dont notice it after a while...
It's OK when the sound is from the other cab.
How are the new videos coming along? Regards, Dana.
Nothing prepared that hasn't now been published. I've been busy (a) actually managing actual railtours, and (b) dealing with the website, as well as (c) dealing with our AGM for which I somehow have Minutes to write up! Never a dull moment even when I'm not at my day-job. Oh, and recording another 60GB of footage to King's Lynn on Saturday! But I haven't forgotten Cleethorpes footage. :)
Any new Cab rides possible soon ? Thanks!
I would love to. I have so much material. There just literally isn't any time at present - up to my eyeballs with work for my employer, I'm up at 0425 tomorrow for work too, I'm afraid HDL is basically a hobby that I service when time permits. Again: I would love to, and I will get time at some stage!
What a tediously slow first few miles, why?????
Thank you. When the posted speed limits are mostly 30mph or below, you would have to expect that the train's speed won't be terribly high.
@@hastingsdiesels Fair enough, still like the vids though, actually quite interesting, keep up the good work
Be nice to see a view like this to new Holland if you p m me I can get you down the pier there for a look around
Thanks - if we ever end up this way again I'll bear it in mind!
what the hell they doing at 29:56 on right with socks on poles lol very very lucky rabbit at 31:08 i`d say judging by speed he JUST missed the wheels
I think the rabbit missed the wheels, but I think the ATC pick-up would have clobbered him.