i mean the lesson is to not be a scumbag, and not rob people. obviously sending money sight unseen is super *risky* but it's not his fault. it's not as if someone sends you money sight unseen it's okay or like, the right thing to do to just.....yoink it. That guy's a piece of shit, for robbing this poor kid
"Oh this dude sent me money and stopped responding. So I just kept his money" Totally sounds legit. Buying any car from Florida sight unseen is a terrible idea.
@@CHMichael idk if you've ever driven a G Wagon from that era but I wouldn't wanna be in that thing on the highway for 1 hour let alone road trip it home
@@Sickwitit18 I'm from that era and drove one from lake chiemsee to Berlin towing a sailboat for a regatta. Back the next week. You really shouldn't buy cars you don't like to drive
No f'ing way I'd wait three weeks before doing anything. I'd be on a plane, and at his door with the Sheriff and bill of sale. The seller just got himself a zero interest loan from a sucker.
So if the story is precise he says he has to pay half up front and half over installments with the lump sum being 15k so 30 k total. So our story teller gave a 40% interest loan for a 2.5 year term.
Agreed. Why drop $19k and then cheap out on an extra few hundred for a plane ticket to deliver the money and take possession of the vehicle and title in person?
@@scottcol23 i did a red eye flight n drive...i flew down and drove home by myself w/o sleeping..i was younger and dumber lol...i was awake at least 36 hours..but i did it..picked it up right on International Speedway blvd....pretty cool i got to see birds eye view of Daytona and Atlanta speedways in the same morning (changed over in Atlanta)..also changed over in Orlanda so saw Disney World the same morning...memories from an $67 Orbitz ticket...it was bit of an adventure worth doing myself
Uh. Bud. Your bank should’ve filed a suspicious activity report on this guy for structuring. Banks are required to when people evade deposits like that.
Which he should know since training about that is an annual thing regardless of what your position is at the bank. Over the past 30 years I have taken that training about 30 times.
It was South Florida. Every bank deposit there is either drug or fraud related. 80% of the time they don't report shit because everyone at the bank is in on the game too.
The part of this I find most confusing... Guy works at a bank and doesn't know that is against the law for both the customer and the bank to try to avoid the $10,000 reporting rules. It's a federal felony to intentionally split deposits to remain under the 10k threshold. I'd have serious questions about any bank that allows someone to do this. Once you walk in the door with a deposit over 10k, you have to do the paperwork, and it's illegal to try and get out of it by splitting it up.
😂😂 you don’t tell them that’s what your doing how do you know the guy didn’t need 9800$ to buy a car or whatever and then the rest for something else highly unlikely but not un proverbial
@@stevechamberss3237 People do that all the time. my comment is directed as a supposed bank employee not knowing the law here. Also, you still have to fill the paperwork. the moment you have more than 10k, even if it is done as distinct transactions involving different bank accounts. walk in a bank with $10,000 and you are doing paperwork. Walk in more than once at the same bank with $9800 and you draw even more attention because EVERYONE knows you're trying to sneak under the reporting threshold, which, also, is a felony.
@@hilossrt4 which leaves two possibilities as everyone knows the IRS don’t play. The first is that everyone involved was lucky, or incompetent, enough that no one involved at any stage filled out the forms or made a report. The second, and more likely, is that at least a portion of this story is bullshit.
I just bought a used truck halfway across the country. The amount of money (near 6 figures) was enough for me fly down, in person to do the transaction. We did the deal through a local dealership (for a small fee of course) but I left there with the paperwork, temporary tags and the keys. Then I drove it home over the next 4 days stopping along the way to install a new starter :P I can't imagine buying a car from a private party and NOT going in person to do the transaction.
And before any of those 3 starts moving, you should have a bill of sale (unless the car is currently clean, no-lien titled in a state where the title can serve as a bill of sale, in which case the title should be the first part to move - which nobody's gonna want to do, so use the relevant bill of sale form)
I've never seen anything specifically like this happen, but I've seen people who have sudden money problems do some really dumb scams out of desperation.
Always, always buy in person, run the plates/ownership for loans/liens at the registration office (or however it's done in your area) and tow the vehicle away immediately even if to a storage yard for pick up later. Cheers 🇨🇦
Yeah never quite understood the whole buying cars remotely "I will wire you the money and send a truck" attitude that many car guys have, especially in the US. My attitude is if it is worth more than a few grand it is worth paying for a flight and the time to drive it back (or at least be there when the truck picks it up). Seems you are asking for trouble otherwise.
I wouldnt do sight unseen. Want to drive it and see how it feels. Get it checked out...especially if a rust bucket that car isn't worth 19k. Who cares if it's a G wagon...its unsafe..would never buy a car that was that rusty!! He should've followed the other buyer when he said he looked at it and said too much rust...I wouldnt have pursued it any further personally.
I bought a car ONCE sight unseen on an eBay auction several years ago. Seller didn't take pictures of the rear driver quarter panel, which was SMASHED! Car was undrivable, even though he listed it in "good" condition. Plus it was on the opposite coast. Once I had ALL the pictures I relisted it on eBay as a parts car. I was able to sell it for half of what I paid. Lesson learned.
@@Goated-FutureHendrxx you know you can buy followers right? Look at his social stuff. Not even that makes sense. So just paid for subs, or an old account that self destructed. But paid is more likely.
Since he was obviously structuring to avoid reporting THAT triggers reporting. If the bank didn't file the appropriate reports they violated the law. Didn't the story teller say the guy still had the truck? Why not just get him to give you a chunk of the PP back plus the truck? He doesn't go to jail, you get your G-wagon at a large discount. Sounds like a win-win.
Yeah I was going to say the same thing. As soon as the only took 9800 and deposited the res that should have been red flags for the bank and they are required by law to report anyone attempting to avoid reporting requirements.
@@ingresswizard9044 The way I did it was I went to a Wells Fargo asked all the noob questions to a piss-headed banker without even introducing myself, then I went to a different branch in a different city to do the withdrawals. I needed $75,000 in cash for something and I didn’t wanna tip off the feds. So the key is to not say anything to the teller just small chat, then take out anything below $10,000. They can’t report it on the first withdrawal as long as you 1. Don’t say anything suspicious about structured withdrawals/ averting the IRS. 2. Don’t ask for $10,000 or above then change your mind like “ugh forms? Nvm gimme $9,999.99.” So you get the first $9,990 then the only thing you have to do is prevent the system from flagging the withdrawals as “structured” so go to different branches on different days, withdraw different amounts at different times from different tellers. Now given your stacks won’t be pretty but it’ll do the job. (So there won’t be any bands, just a wonky amount of $1’s on the top but you can always just burn those anyway.) oilhaze
I was a teller when I was younger for a number of years and we were told not to tell them what the amount of the reporting was exactly (>10k), just that because of the large amount we require to fill out the CTR. Which is pretty basic, you just have to ask what occupation the account holders have and what the purpose of the money is for. Which, understandably pisses off people because it's their money to do whatever they want with. Some people think it's like a taxes/IRS thing. It's more of a finding trends for money laundering and drug lords thing (Look up the BSA) . This bank in the story should have filled out a CTR anyway for structuring or at least a suspicious activity report.
...or just go in person to purchase a vehicle. Unless you are that much of a baller you can buy out of state, site unseen and can handle the break if things go south. Otherwise, in person. Don't try to act like a baller if you aren't one is the moral of this story.
I have actually done that with my current car. I had it shipped across the country, Florida to MN sight unseen. I did a whole heck of a lot of research on the place I was buying it from. At the end of the day though, yea, if I would have had to somehow eat that money or extensively fix any problems with the car (the only things I've really had to replace are the windshield wipers & done oil changes so that didn't happen) it wouldn't have broke me. If you buy from an actual business though, you usually get more protections. Idk if I'd have felt comfortable buying from a rando this way.
@@tazhienunurbusinezz1703 my cousin loves BMW's. Some whatever model M5. He's had 5 of them and 2 M3's. They always break. Always. Junk cars.. But he buys them sight unseen all the time but he makes the owner park the vehicles in a storage unit he rents out. So once the sale is made, he tells the owners to drive it to a storage unit. He gives them $1,500 upfront. The most allowed in small claims court in case things go bad. Then once the car is there, he asks the clerk to go put a new lock on the unit. Arranges transport and it's a win win. He has the money though in case something happens, and it has happened twice. But he learned each time. I bet this guy did too. I know it happens safely all the time, but a lot of this story just made me shake my head. Like...you aren't rich...go get the damn car! When the cops got involved...go get the damn car. It made me mad and confused me.
@@clifbradley I got mine from a long time, well established dealer 3 years ago. It was a wire transfer situation then it was loaded on an enclosed trailer with a motorcycle that some dude who lives an hour & a half away from me bought from a motorcycle dealer about 3 hours away from where my SUV was. It was kinda weird though because my salesman sent me a dozen red roses after I had the SUV for a week. Other than that mildly creepy thing that I wasn't expecting & the business cards & letters he still sends me every 3 months or so, it couldn't have gone any better. They just didn't have what I wanted anywhere near me.
@@tazhienunurbusinezz1703 That is kind of creepy. Maybe he had it set up on an account for like his wife and when he added your flowers they include it in the recurring shipment. Who knows, but that is odd. Maybe you saved his job or something. I talked to my cousin about this after I wrote that and he told me that he actually had 4 car deals go bad on him. He likes the 2010 E60 BMW that had the V10 and the E92 M3. Apparently these cars are hard to find in good running condition and he got scammed 4 times, and only one time did he not get all of his money back. Scams on these 2 cars are extremely high. But he learned the process from the guy that introduced him to those cars. He never buys from dealers. His last car was from Cars and Bids, but he said he'll never do that again. Well I'm glad it worked out for you. Sounds like you did your due diligence. Some people do and some people don't...and then the cops are called and it takes months and then you get on VinWiki where people make fun of you...but hey....what did you expect?
I shook my head VIGOROUSLY 13 times during this story. I also said "what the HELL were you thinking was going to happen??" at least 6 times.. all within the eleven minutes this video ran!!
First of all bank fraud. His two sub 10k transactions were structuring. That in itself is a felony. And it's federal. Strange case and I'm glad you got the money back.
OR you take a god damned 5 hour flight and pick the damn thing up your self. I don’t get why people rely on these tactics. Pull up, get the car and bounce.
What I don't understand it why not get a cheap flight to Orlando and go pick up your truck?? You had the bill of sale and the detectives had made contact. You could have flown in a got had the detective go with you and picked up the truck and arranged shipping back home.
$12k for the G Wagon? The day after the transporter came away empty I would've been on a one way flight to the seller. Easy to ghost someone over the phone, not so in person. And a stop at the police station (shame on them for taking 9 MONTHS to do an hour's worth of work!) on my way to the guy's house. You basically gave them a low interest loan for 2.5 years. That's why they cashed the check so quick. PLUS they likely had some type of lien or hold on their own bank account, otherwise why not just deposit the check? Thanks for the story!
My uncle sold a guy a bike here in Florida through his dealership a couple years ago. Guy paid a large portion of it up front, said he'd bring the rest of the money next week. Never heard from him. Guy in turn forged power of attorney, sold the bike to harley, in which they took another bike in on trade and sold said stolen bike to a customer. My uncle handed everything the cops needed to find both the thief and the new owners and they didn't get it for 3 days. He said fuck it, I'm getting it myself and repossessed it himself. The thief's attorney offered to bring a check by for the remaining amount but my uncle the attorney he's declining it and took this dirt bag to court. My uncle had the bargaining chip in this situation which was the bike. The harley dealership was going to be in deep trouble with their customer without that bike. The courts here were only going to charge the thief with one felony instead of like 3. My uncle wouldn't let them have the bike unless 1 it was fully paid for and 2, if the thief was charged with at least one felony on his record. That case got resolved and every month the government docked the thief's pay until the bike was paid off. The kicker of this story is, the guy who bought the stolen bike from harley knew the thief that did it.
We have an alternative for such cases - we give the missing amount to the buyer as a personal loan (documented), then fill out the paperwork. Makes the situation a little simpler.
I'm at a loss, has he never bought a private sale car before this? Title, car then cash. In his case, shipping driver can get the cash or an escrow service maybe
Remember that when Rabbit sold the Yellow Heart Attack El Camino he sent the money with the car carrier guy. "He will give you an envelope, give him this envelope, and the car. " no show, no loss. Edit for the order
You have to buy in person you have to cover your a** as much as possible and make a checklist so you don’t forget about the important thanking!! Personal experience, One way flight from Chicago to Long Beach, did a PPI at the dealer, learned how to fill out a Califorina title, when to DMV of Califorina to purchase a one-way travel pass for like $25 bucks, and drove may butt back to Chicago. 2100 miles with no problems was the BEST TEST DRIVE EVER!!!
No offense but isn’t it kind of ironic to call the seller dumb when in fact you sent a check without at least having the title in your name and in your hand? You NEVER send the money first. A deposit is pretty standard but not the full nut.
Exactly! This guy's like "Hey Vinwiki, can I come in and tell you a story about how I sent 20 grand to someone I don't even know and got nothing back from them? I bet I'll look super cool and smart"
Yeah, You pay 10% and have the driver of the transport verify the vehicle and upon that coming out favorably. You wire the rest. If the guy wont accept a wire... then dont even waste the time to try to buy it unless you go there in person to work the deal.
Still not foolproof. Could be a loan or lien on it if you don't get the title. No title, no ownership unless you already turned it into dmv registering it and are waiting on the new one in the mail.
They need to stop letting scammers off and start smacking over the head. Dude should of been force to pay the money 15k then and there and sent him to jail, on weekends. That shits ridiculous. Granted he was already throwing his money away. But that doesn't matter
always deal in person, or have someone you trust do the deal... or.. expect this type thing to happen... scammers should have a special place down below the jail where there a guy who whacks their nuts with a hammer all day..
What I don’t get is why this guy doesn’t get on a plane, fly to where this rig is, get the detective and go knock on this guys door and says give me the damn keys to my rig I paid you for!!!! Just blows my mind!
Everytime I've think I've heard everything about buying and selling vehicles, this channel comes up with another fantastic story!! Always gr8 work here, thank you.
Why exactly didn't you just fly there and look at the car and do the deal? It takes hours and a couple hundred dollars to fly anywhere in America. I guess when buying an old rusty G wagon for 20k online, this is par for the course
The circle that encompasses what is and is not a civil matter grows larger every time I contact the police. Last few interactions with the cops I've had, I've handed them EVERYTHING. Here's the video evidence, here's the law that was broken... and they don't do fuckall. Useless. Last time a took a deadbeat into small claims court was a real eye opener as well. Contracts apparently don't mean shit any more, everything comes down to who the judge thinks is prettier.
I remember when ps3 was brand new (I'm in Australia), it was sold out everywhere here and I bought one for I think was close to double retail cost on eBay. They had sold 22 legit so far so I ordered one. Turns out they had 30 total and stiffed over 100 Australian customers alone. Local police did nothing, eBay screwed me saying it didn't have PayPal protection which it originally did but it was removed 1 day after my trade from all of their listings. I did some digging, was someone in Massachusetts, had their details but fuck all I could do from there. I just gave up and moved on 1k poorer.
You worked for the bank and still didn’t know better? There’s a thousand ways this could have been handled better, the first of which, just buying the damn ticket and doing this in person. Solved.
I wouldn't buy a vehicle without checking it first, but if I did, I'd pay a small deposit to the let the owner know you're serious, and then go get it. An escrow service might also be a good idea.
Technically a bank can report any large deposit if suspicious, this should have been one of those cases if the bank knew he was trying to avoid the sale. It would have seemed sketchy to me if I was the teller.
that was going to be the punishment, either guy goes to jail or he pays you back your money. Here is a story for you from PA, my friend work turck got robbed in home depot, thousands of dollars in tools stolen from his truck which was at home depot. The cops caught the guy in the parking lot, arrested him. When my my friend went to the police station he was offered 2 options. He does not file a complain against the guy, receives his tools today and they release the guy or they hold his tools as evidence for the duration until he get convicted which can be months to years.
This reminds me when I bought a car from a guy and had the title in hand but didn’t notice that the bank was still stamped on the back. The guy ghosted me afterwards and I was SOL for over a year till I got legal matters involved to compel him to come back to the state to get me an unmarked title lmao.
I have never paid for anything in advance to a private seller. The money would be wired or have the check locked until the truck driver had taken it into his custody!
Doesn’t bro technically still own the car since he got that signed bill of sale? I would’ve repo the car jus to be a dick after I got all my money paid 😂. For 3 years of headache mfs I’m still getting this car idc.
This is way too common in florida they think it's just a civil case most of the time the judge orders it and the person still doesnt pay. Just claims their income is under 54,000
Glad it ended well! Great story and hope to hear more. Have to shake my head at the police detective and the time involved despite your doing most of the work up front.
Like the guy says - it's just one of thousands of cases. There's many more important cases and only so many detectives. It's a civil case, he's lucky he got a resolution. People are all "FTP" until someone rips them off for $20k.
The lesson isn’t to get a bill of sale. It’s to not send money to strangers unless your taking possession at the same time.
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I wouldn't send money to my best friend.. he also has NO RECORD!! Freaking Dumb.
i mean the lesson is to not be a scumbag, and not rob people. obviously sending money sight unseen is super *risky* but it's not his fault. it's not as if someone sends you money sight unseen it's okay or like, the right thing to do to just.....yoink it. That guy's a piece of shit, for robbing this poor kid
@Ross Outdoors THIS!
money, car, title. like the car wizard said, you can't have all three of these with one person.
*Tip 1 on purchasing used vehicles:* when handing over the cash with one hand, receive the keys and title with the other hand 🙃
Same rule applies to real estate, especially rentals. Beware of Craig's List, a.k.a. Scammer's Paradise.
Exactly
ALWAYS. No exceptions. Ever.
Title first you gotta check all that info b4 they hold the casg
Thats how i buy my drugs as well...
"Oh this dude sent me money and stopped responding. So I just kept his money" Totally sounds legit. Buying any car from Florida sight unseen is a terrible idea.
How buisy do you have to be that you can't hopp in a airplane and pick it up yourself.
@@CHMichael I was thinking that too, especially if you're spending $19,000.00
@@CHMichael idk if you've ever driven a G Wagon from that era but I wouldn't wanna be in that thing on the highway for 1 hour let alone road trip it home
@@Sickwitit18 I'm from that era and drove one from lake chiemsee to Berlin towing a sailboat for a regatta. Back the next week. You really shouldn't buy cars you don't like to drive
He's maybe a dumbest person ever.. even when im buying a $5k can-am, i willing to drive from texas to utah to make a deal face to face..
No f'ing way I'd wait three weeks before doing anything. I'd be on a plane, and at his door with the Sheriff and bill of sale. The seller just got himself a zero interest loan from a sucker.
Yeah, the seller was in no way punished
I’d be at his door with my shotgun after 24 hours and you’d better believe I’d be coming back with the money AND the truck
Sounds like he ended up having to pay more than 20,000 back and now has this on his record. So I wouldn't say he got away Scott free.
So if the story is precise he says he has to pay half up front and half over installments with the lump sum being 15k so 30 k total. So our story teller gave a 40% interest loan for a 2.5 year term.
I feel like just a plane ticket coulda solved this from the beginning
Or just not being a cheap bastard wanting a half junked G wagon.
Agreed. Why drop $19k and then cheap out on an extra few hundred for a plane ticket to deliver the money and take possession of the vehicle and title in person?
i flew to Fl and picked up a car and drove it home to MI...was a ton cheaper than paying someone to haul it..i don't understand his logic
@@richardbaumgart2454 yeah and its FLORIDA! it would be fun and an adventure! I would love to take a week off and drive a new vehicle home.
@@scottcol23 i did a red eye flight n drive...i flew down and drove home by myself w/o sleeping..i was younger and dumber lol...i was awake at least 36 hours..but i did it..picked it up right on International Speedway blvd....pretty cool i got to see birds eye view of Daytona and Atlanta speedways in the same morning (changed over in Atlanta)..also changed over in Orlanda so saw Disney World the same morning...memories from an $67 Orbitz ticket...it was bit of an adventure worth doing myself
Most true statement ever…”I’m just one of those idiots that wanted a G wagon”
As a G owner, can confirm 😂
@@pnnedbyvinwiki5942 You really think people are going to fall for your scam?
@@hazemgiballi same
@@hazemgiballi so we just all had the same realization after getting it. Good to know
@@hazemgiballi plz refer to your self as a G wagon owner, not a G owner. Someone who owns a G refers to g35/g37
Uh. Bud. Your bank should’ve filed a suspicious activity report on this guy for structuring. Banks are required to when people evade deposits like that.
Which he should know since training about that is an annual thing regardless of what your position is at the bank. Over the past 30 years I have taken that training about 30 times.
The guy probably knew the people at the bank pretty well and probably didn't file it.
@@Jeremy-Biggers yep that’s how he knew
Nah bruh, which bank? I want to bank there.
It was South Florida. Every bank deposit there is either drug or fraud related. 80% of the time they don't report shit because everyone at the bank is in on the game too.
The part of this I find most confusing... Guy works at a bank and doesn't know that is against the law for both the customer and the bank to try to avoid the $10,000 reporting rules. It's a federal felony to intentionally split deposits to remain under the 10k threshold. I'd have serious questions about any bank that allows someone to do this. Once you walk in the door with a deposit over 10k, you have to do the paperwork, and it's illegal to try and get out of it by splitting it up.
😂😂 you don’t tell them that’s what your doing how do you know the guy didn’t need 9800$ to buy a car or whatever and then the rest for something else highly unlikely but not un proverbial
@@stevechamberss3237 People do that all the time. my comment is directed as a supposed bank employee not knowing the law here. Also, you still have to fill the paperwork. the moment you have more than 10k, even if it is done as distinct transactions involving different bank accounts. walk in a bank with $10,000 and you are doing paperwork. Walk in more than once at the same bank with $9800 and you draw even more attention because EVERYONE knows you're trying to sneak under the reporting threshold, which, also, is a felony.
Obviously it’s not that illegal as nothing was done about it.
@@hilossrt4 which leaves two possibilities as everyone knows the IRS don’t play. The first is that everyone involved was lucky, or incompetent, enough that no one involved at any stage filled out the forms or made a report. The second, and more likely, is that at least a portion of this story is bullshit.
This man made his life far more difficult and stressful than it needed to be
Yup, and for an entire year. A big, good old facepalm.
And 2 plus years to get all his money back, crazy stuff
I agree. Also, think of all the people who never get a dime back. It can always be worse.
Most do…as someone who works and is around roughly 2500-3000 different people, 9 out of 10 or them make their life more difficult than it has to be.
Yep all because he wanted to look like he was rich 😂 people are such tools
I just bought a used truck halfway across the country. The amount of money (near 6 figures) was enough for me fly down, in person to do the transaction. We did the deal through a local dealership (for a small fee of course) but I left there with the paperwork, temporary tags and the keys.
Then I drove it home over the next 4 days stopping along the way to install a new starter :P
I can't imagine buying a car from a private party and NOT going in person to do the transaction.
How much did the dealership charge you
This is where tips from Ed, Doug , Rabbit comes into play.. Out of Car, Title, Money you need at-least one in hand..
No shyet
Headed home
And before any of those 3 starts moving, you should have a bill of sale (unless the car is currently clean, no-lien titled in a state where the title can serve as a bill of sale, in which case the title should be the first part to move - which nobody's gonna want to do, so use the relevant bill of sale form)
As Ed once said, the car, the title, the money, no one gets to have all three.
@@pnnedbyvinwiki5942 scammers on a scam video. LMAO good luck
I've never seen anything specifically like this happen, but I've seen people who have sudden money problems do some really dumb scams out of desperation.
@Cipheiz totally. Got the cash in hand and thought, "let's see what I can get away with."
Yup also have done many deals with no problems.Not everyone is a pos
His first mistake was wanting a G wagon
Why is wanting one a bad thing ?
@Perry Elyod Are you thinking of that Southpark Episode? If you are you are going to heck along with me.
@@dietznutz1 He's hating.
Always, always buy in person, run the plates/ownership for loans/liens at the registration office (or however it's done in your area) and tow the vehicle away immediately even if to a storage yard for pick up later. Cheers 🇨🇦
It seems like a one way ticket to Florida and driving it home would have been cheaper and less hassle.
@@herbiehusker1889 Always buy in person!
That’s a great idea I never thought of a storage yard
How do i run plates?
@@alexiocatan5602 The easy answer is you don't. There are privacy laws.
At the end of the ordeal, my dude probably was like
"So, you still have the truck? Wanna sell it? 😅"
And this is the reason whenever I buy a car private party I get a notorized bill of sale, the title and the vehicle all at the same time.
You do not get a notarized bill of sale, but nice try with that.
Am I the only one who refuse to buy a car sight unseen? I mean... I'm not giving you money without you also giving me working keys right that instant.
Yeah never quite understood the whole buying cars remotely "I will wire you the money and send a truck" attitude that many car guys have, especially in the US. My attitude is if it is worth more than a few grand it is worth paying for a flight and the time to drive it back (or at least be there when the truck picks it up). Seems you are asking for trouble otherwise.
I wouldnt do sight unseen. Want to drive it and see how it feels. Get it checked out...especially if a rust bucket that car isn't worth 19k. Who cares if it's a G wagon...its unsafe..would never buy a car that was that rusty!! He should've followed the other buyer when he said he looked at it and said too much rust...I wouldnt have pursued it any further personally.
Same. The whole concept of buying a used car sight-unseen and sending money away without asking more than a receipt in exchange completely escapes me.
I bought a car ONCE sight unseen on an eBay auction several years ago. Seller didn't take pictures of the rear driver quarter panel, which was SMASHED! Car was undrivable, even though he listed it in "good" condition. Plus it was on the opposite coast. Once I had ALL the pictures I relisted it on eBay as a parts car. I was able to sell it for half of what I paid. Lesson learned.
Gotta watch out in the car market there’s a lot of scummy people who will scam you
Dude how tf do you have so many subscribers you have no videos?
Shit have you ever tried buying an ATV/ dirt bike or boat? That’s ten times worse than autos.
@@chevyon37s oh really?
@@Goated-FutureHendrxx you know you can buy followers right? Look at his social stuff. Not even that makes sense.
So just paid for subs, or an old account that self destructed. But paid is more likely.
That's any business though anywhere u make money u have scummy scams
Let me send a stranger a check for $19k and send another stranger to pick up the goods for me while I'm watching Oprah at home 🤔
This is how one learns expensive lessons... :)
Since he was obviously structuring to avoid reporting THAT triggers reporting. If the bank didn't file the appropriate reports they violated the law.
Didn't the story teller say the guy still had the truck? Why not just get him to give you a chunk of the PP back plus the truck? He doesn't go to jail, you get your G-wagon at a large discount. Sounds like a win-win.
Yeah I was going to say the same thing. As soon as the only took 9800 and deposited the res that should have been red flags for the bank and they are required by law to report anyone attempting to avoid reporting requirements.
@@ingresswizard9044 sometimes the teller is busy and forgets
@@ingresswizard9044 The way I did it was I went to a Wells Fargo asked all the noob questions to a piss-headed banker without even introducing myself, then I went to a different branch in a different city to do the withdrawals. I needed $75,000 in cash for something and I didn’t wanna tip off the feds. So the key is to not say anything to the teller just small chat, then take out anything below $10,000. They can’t report it on the first withdrawal as long as you 1. Don’t say anything suspicious about structured withdrawals/ averting the IRS. 2. Don’t ask for $10,000 or above then change your mind like “ugh forms? Nvm gimme $9,999.99.” So you get the first $9,990 then the only thing you have to do is prevent the system from flagging the withdrawals as “structured” so go to different branches on different days, withdraw different amounts at different times from different tellers. Now given your stacks won’t be pretty but it’ll do the job. (So there won’t be any bands, just a wonky amount of $1’s on the top but you can always just burn those anyway.)
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I was a teller when I was younger for a number of years and we were told not to tell them what the amount of the reporting was exactly (>10k), just that because of the large amount we require to fill out the CTR. Which is pretty basic, you just have to ask what occupation the account holders have and what the purpose of the money is for. Which, understandably pisses off people because it's their money to do whatever they want with. Some people think it's like a taxes/IRS thing. It's more of a finding trends for money laundering and drug lords thing (Look up the BSA) . This bank in the story should have filled out a CTR anyway for structuring or at least a suspicious activity report.
@@TheBrianFlanagan it's been lowered to $8K
This is why you have to make sure you don’t fall in love with a car before you actually own it.
Worthy words! But it happens
A fool and his money parted. Glad to see you learned something and got your money back. it may not feel like it, but you are one of the lucky ones.
...or just go in person to purchase a vehicle. Unless you are that much of a baller you can buy out of state, site unseen and can handle the break if things go south. Otherwise, in person. Don't try to act like a baller if you aren't one is the moral of this story.
I have actually done that with my current car. I had it shipped across the country, Florida to MN sight unseen. I did a whole heck of a lot of research on the place I was buying it from. At the end of the day though, yea, if I would have had to somehow eat that money or extensively fix any problems with the car (the only things I've really had to replace are the windshield wipers & done oil changes so that didn't happen) it wouldn't have broke me. If you buy from an actual business though, you usually get more protections. Idk if I'd have felt comfortable buying from a rando this way.
@@tazhienunurbusinezz1703 my cousin loves BMW's. Some whatever model M5. He's had 5 of them and 2 M3's. They always break. Always. Junk cars.. But he buys them sight unseen all the time but he makes the owner park the vehicles in a storage unit he rents out. So once the sale is made, he tells the owners to drive it to a storage unit. He gives them $1,500 upfront. The most allowed in small claims court in case things go bad. Then once the car is there, he asks the clerk to go put a new lock on the unit. Arranges transport and it's a win win. He has the money though in case something happens, and it has happened twice. But he learned each time. I bet this guy did too. I know it happens safely all the time, but a lot of this story just made me shake my head. Like...you aren't rich...go get the damn car! When the cops got involved...go get the damn car. It made me mad and confused me.
@@clifbradley I got mine from a long time, well established dealer 3 years ago. It was a wire transfer situation then it was loaded on an enclosed trailer with a motorcycle that some dude who lives an hour & a half away from me bought from a motorcycle dealer about 3 hours away from where my SUV was.
It was kinda weird though because my salesman sent me a dozen red roses after I had the SUV for a week. Other than that mildly creepy thing that I wasn't expecting & the business cards & letters he still sends me every 3 months or so, it couldn't have gone any better. They just didn't have what I wanted anywhere near me.
@@tazhienunurbusinezz1703 That is kind of creepy. Maybe he had it set up on an account for like his wife and when he added your flowers they include it in the recurring shipment. Who knows, but that is odd. Maybe you saved his job or something. I talked to my cousin about this after I wrote that and he told me that he actually had 4 car deals go bad on him. He likes the 2010 E60 BMW that had the V10 and the E92 M3. Apparently these cars are hard to find in good running condition and he got scammed 4 times, and only one time did he not get all of his money back. Scams on these 2 cars are extremely high. But he learned the process from the guy that introduced him to those cars. He never buys from dealers. His last car was from Cars and Bids, but he said he'll never do that again. Well I'm glad it worked out for you. Sounds like you did your due diligence. Some people do and some people don't...and then the cops are called and it takes months and then you get on VinWiki where people make fun of you...but hey....what did you expect?
He looks like the type to get scammed lmao
And meanwhile, I still have this grey G-wagon rusting away in my yard...
"There's a sucker born every minute" - P.T. Barnum
I shook my head VIGOROUSLY 13 times during this story. I also said "what the HELL were you thinking was going to happen??" at least 6 times.. all within the eleven minutes this video ran!!
First of all bank fraud.
His two sub 10k transactions were structuring.
That in itself is a felony.
And it's federal.
Strange case and I'm glad you got the money back.
First of all ,
The law only applies to cash deposits over 10k not checks. Checks can be traced.
Last time I was this early, Christopher's friends were admiring the forensic evidence in his coyote truck.
Haha
@@Itsaustinfromboston hey Bruv, where did you get yours?
I can't believe you paid 19,000 for a worn out rusted out vehicle.
a 12 year old mercedes with 180k miles, and rust. What could go wrong lol. But all jokes a side, g wagons hold their value
So you're saying the G wagon is still available?
OR you take a god damned 5 hour flight and pick the damn thing up your self. I don’t get why people rely on these tactics.
Pull up, get the car and bounce.
What I don't understand it why not get a cheap flight to Orlando and go pick up your truck?? You had the bill of sale and the detectives had made contact. You could have flown in a got had the detective go with you and picked up the truck and arranged shipping back home.
$12k for the G Wagon? The day after the transporter came away empty I would've been on a one way flight to the seller. Easy to ghost someone over the phone, not so in person. And a stop at the police station (shame on them for taking 9 MONTHS to do an hour's worth of work!) on my way to the guy's house. You basically gave them a low interest loan for 2.5 years. That's why they cashed the check so quick. PLUS they likely had some type of lien or hold on their own bank account, otherwise why not just deposit the check? Thanks for the story!
Is it me or is the vinwiki music different?
My uncle sold a guy a bike here in Florida through his dealership a couple years ago. Guy paid a large portion of it up front, said he'd bring the rest of the money next week. Never heard from him. Guy in turn forged power of attorney, sold the bike to harley, in which they took another bike in on trade and sold said stolen bike to a customer. My uncle handed everything the cops needed to find both the thief and the new owners and they didn't get it for 3 days. He said fuck it, I'm getting it myself and repossessed it himself. The thief's attorney offered to bring a check by for the remaining amount but my uncle the attorney he's declining it and took this dirt bag to court. My uncle had the bargaining chip in this situation which was the bike. The harley dealership was going to be in deep trouble with their customer without that bike. The courts here were only going to charge the thief with one felony instead of like 3. My uncle wouldn't let them have the bike unless 1 it was fully paid for and 2, if the thief was charged with at least one felony on his record. That case got resolved and every month the government docked the thief's pay until the bike was paid off. The kicker of this story is, the guy who bought the stolen bike from harley knew the thief that did it.
We have an alternative for such cases - we give the missing amount to the buyer as a personal loan (documented), then fill out the paperwork. Makes the situation a little simpler.
I'm at a loss, has he never bought a private sale car before this? Title, car then cash. In his case, shipping driver can get the cash or an escrow service maybe
Remember that when Rabbit sold the Yellow Heart Attack El Camino he sent the money with the car carrier guy. "He will give you an envelope, give him this envelope, and the car. " no show, no loss.
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I feel for him but every vehicle I have bought out of state, I jump on a plane and meet in person. They get the money and I leave with the car.
I'm not paying anyone unless I get keys, car and a bill of sale. I don't care how good of a deal it is.
You have to buy in person you have to cover your a** as much as possible and make a checklist so you don’t forget about the important thanking!! Personal experience, One way flight from Chicago to Long Beach, did a PPI at the dealer, learned how to fill out a Califorina title, when to DMV of Califorina to purchase a one-way travel pass for like $25 bucks, and drove may butt back to Chicago. 2100 miles with no problems was the BEST TEST DRIVE EVER!!!
I drove 400 miles once to kick someone's teeth in over $1000....couldn't imagine being cucked for a year by some thief
No offense but isn’t it kind of ironic to call the seller dumb when in fact you sent a check without at least having the title in your name and in your hand? You NEVER send the money first. A deposit is pretty standard but not the full nut.
Exactly! This guy's like "Hey Vinwiki, can I come in and tell you a story about how I sent 20 grand to someone I don't even know and got nothing back from them? I bet I'll look super cool and smart"
Yeah, You pay 10% and have the driver of the transport verify the vehicle and upon that coming out favorably. You wire the rest. If the guy wont accept a wire... then dont even waste the time to try to buy it unless you go there in person to work the deal.
"A lot of underbody rust".... shows picture of basically the smallest amount of insignificant underbody rust possible.
Bless this guy's heart, keep ur guard up all the time.
If you are willing to drop $19k for a vehicle, isn't it worth spending $300 on a plane ticket?
maybe he didn't take the shot
1. Car 2. Title 3. Money
⬆️ ⬆️ ⬆️ ⬆️ ⬆️ ⬆️ ⬆️ Uncle Ed taught me to ALWAYS have at least 1 of these.
Still not foolproof. Could be a loan or lien on it if you don't get the title. No title, no ownership unless you already turned it into dmv registering it and are waiting on the new one in the mail.
$60 in airfare could have prevented this whole situation. Always buy cars in person.
In 1989 I bought a _house_ for $15,500. A house that was already subdivided into three rental units. Now a used G wagon is going for $20k. Nuts.
They need to stop letting scammers off and start smacking over the head. Dude should of been force to pay the money 15k then and there and sent him to jail, on weekends. That shits ridiculous. Granted he was already throwing his money away. But that doesn't matter
Let this be a lesson to everyone: Police are shockingly incompetent and lazy.
Yes, it’s the cops fault he sent money to a guy he didn’t know. I’m sure they aren’t overwhelmed with cases in this time of peace and prosperity.
@@ziggyblue782 Crime rates are the lowest they've been in decades...
@@edwardgoodsmith1069 Lol, if only that were true.
He said “well shit I already got the 20 bands, ima just keep the g wagon too lmao!”
Wasn’t hoovies g wagon the same price?
always deal in person, or have someone you trust do the deal... or.. expect this type thing to happen... scammers should have a special place down below the jail where there a guy who whacks their nuts with a hammer all day..
they do have a special place, it's called "Hell"
Sounds like the guy needed a 19k loan immediately and couldn't get one through a bank...anyone have any other theory.
What I don’t get is why this guy doesn’t get on a plane, fly to where this rig is, get the detective and go knock on this guys door and says give me the damn keys to my rig I paid you for!!!! Just blows my mind!
In South Florida with a vehicle popular with those on the dark side? Maybe he didn't like the taste of lead.
@@mhagnew Central Florida... it's literally in the name of the school in Orlando LOL
Everytime I've think I've heard everything about buying and selling vehicles, this channel comes up with another fantastic story!! Always gr8 work here, thank you.
Why exactly didn't you just fly there and look at the car and do the deal? It takes hours and a couple hundred dollars to fly anywhere in America. I guess when buying an old rusty G wagon for 20k online, this is par for the course
This guy is crazy calm, I'd have been waking up in a rage to the Florida sunshine the day after he ghosted the driver
No way in hell I'm sending money before I get anything related to the car lmaoo
in my town the cops won't get involved in civil matters.
The circle that encompasses what is and is not a civil matter grows larger every time I contact the police. Last few interactions with the cops I've had, I've handed them EVERYTHING. Here's the video evidence, here's the law that was broken... and they don't do fuckall. Useless. Last time a took a deadbeat into small claims court was a real eye opener as well. Contracts apparently don't mean shit any more, everything comes down to who the judge thinks is prettier.
Good lesson in life, don’t be the guy trying to buy something expensive for the cheapest price. You usually get screwed
Hoovies garage channel and many others in a nutshell lol. Lesson is buy in person, and don't hand over cash till you have the title and keys.
All i can say is...if the car is worth it, it's worth it to go make the deal in person.
I remember when ps3 was brand new (I'm in Australia), it was sold out everywhere here and I bought one for I think was close to double retail cost on eBay. They had sold 22 legit so far so I ordered one. Turns out they had 30 total and stiffed over 100 Australian customers alone.
Local police did nothing, eBay screwed me saying it didn't have PayPal protection which it originally did but it was removed 1 day after my trade from all of their listings.
I did some digging, was someone in Massachusetts, had their details but fuck all I could do from there. I just gave up and moved on 1k poorer.
Money. Title. Vehicle. When buying/selling, neither party gets to hold all 3 at the same time.
This guy is going to get older, have kids and will sound like the dad (Eugene Levy) from "American Pie." At least in my mind...
You worked for the bank and still didn’t know better? There’s a thousand ways this could have been handled better, the first of which, just buying the damn ticket and doing this in person. Solved.
i work for a bank now. and your scam videos really helped. thanks guys.
Never wire money or send a check to anyone for a vehicle you haven’t seen in person. Too many people have been scammed.
i wouldnt even wire or send check to friends/family without looking at a vehicle.
Certain saltwater flood cars are not worth much.
But, on Craigslist it says warnings: “Avoid 99% of scams by…” (not doing this exact stuff).
I wouldn't buy a vehicle without checking it first, but if I did, I'd pay a small deposit to the let the owner know you're serious, and then go get it. An escrow service might also be a good idea.
Technically a bank can report any large deposit if suspicious, this should have been one of those cases if the bank knew he was trying to avoid the sale. It would have seemed sketchy to me if I was the teller.
A fool and his money are soon parted.
This guy is so calm that everybody is gonna take advantage of him
8:30 get this clown out of the chair
Ed’s commercial “We all love Amazon but…”
Me: Let me stop you right there.
A fool and his money are easily parted, especially foolish people who think they are not foolish because they work at a bank!
Sending $19,000 checks to people you have never met sounds insanely stupid.
I'm pretty sure I would die of a heart attack before I got the money back hahahhaa
For 19k my ass would take a standing vacation sitting on the mans door stoop waiting to pick up my new car
Didn't know Chaz Bono was into cars! Cool stuff! Very modern vinwiki! Congrats on the weight loss Chaz!
I think I would be embarrassed to come on TH-cam and tell this story if I were him.
If he never talked to the cops this would have been a civil matter
I hope you left out the fact that you were able to collect interest on that judgment
Listening to this guy tell stories is like watching paint dry
So since he still had a bill of sale did he get the truck as well as a refund?
He should have called a repo company they would dragged it out of the driveway no problem
Why can't people just be honest and straightforward...these kinda people are a burden to humans
What on earth stopped you from taking possession of the wagon at the time of sale? Did I miss something?
Did you get to keep the car?
That's not a punishment if they just give you the money back over the course of 2 years.
that was going to be the punishment, either guy goes to jail or he pays you back your money.
Here is a story for you from PA, my friend work turck got robbed in home depot, thousands of dollars in tools stolen from his truck which was at home depot. The cops caught the guy in the parking lot, arrested him. When my my friend went to the police station he was offered 2 options. He does not file a complain against the guy, receives his tools today and they release the guy or they hold his tools as evidence for the duration until he get convicted which can be months to years.
For any car purchase, you need to show up in person and complete the transaction. Stories like this are all too common.
The guy took the deposit and immediately sunk it into Bitcoin. A year later and the money is returned, but the dude still made a hefty profit.
This reminds me when I bought a car from a guy and had the title in hand but didn’t notice that the bank was still stamped on the back. The guy ghosted me afterwards and I was SOL for over a year till I got legal matters involved to compel him to come back to the state to get me an unmarked title lmao.
Send money to a stranger in another state and then are suprised that you get ripped off?
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I got scammed. Rolled back mileage . 40 bucks for a carfax seems too much. Now it cost me 11,000 dollars. With a truck worth 4,000 . 09 Silverado.
I have never paid for anything in advance to a private seller.
The money would be wired or have the check locked until the truck driver had taken it into his custody!
Doesn’t bro technically still own the car since he got that signed bill of sale? I would’ve repo the car jus to be a dick after I got all my money paid 😂. For 3 years of headache mfs I’m still getting this car idc.
This is way too common in florida they think it's just a civil case most of the time the judge orders it and the person still doesnt pay. Just claims their income is under 54,000
A good reminder to myself on why I only purchase new vehicles from the dealership lol
Glad it ended well! Great story and hope to hear more. Have to shake my head at the police detective and the time involved despite your doing most of the work up front.
Like the guy says - it's just one of thousands of cases. There's many more important cases and only so many detectives. It's a civil case, he's lucky he got a resolution. People are all "FTP" until someone rips them off for $20k.