2:14:10 I think One Piece characters with Conquerers Haki should be able to break out of Genjutsu. It makes sense to me since it's like a big flex of their willpower which to me seems similar to disrupting your Chakra flow. They would still need to realize they're caught though.
I like to approach verse equalization as a writer would. As a writer myself, I think about how the writers for the respective series would likely combine their power systems as well as how each power can reasonably interact. I even designed my own power system with other systems in mind for inspiration and versus battle discussions.
2:10:10 It’s such a weird thing cuz we’ve seen magma injure the otsuski/ six paths characters. Yes there’s ap involved too but Naruto’s raven shuriken added with magma nature nearly killed madara and sliced the tree in half, then in boruto u have multiple times magma golems being used, once on the moon kuruma fighting a magma golem 2nd against momoshiki another magma golem that pushed both saskue and Naruto so far they needed to fuse with susanoo and kuruma. But the biggest one is Kaguyas magma dimension where she herself said they would die here, as Naruto falls both Naruto and kakashi agree they would have died if they fell into the magma. I see akainu as a Kaguya Harold representing the magma realm heck we had the ice dimension where both Naruto and saskue couldn’t physically break out even two was too slow, so saskue amateurse was the key. But yes I do believe verse equalization is necessary as u would be taking away certain haxs from one side and inevitably favor the other, akainu weakness should be lighting as it burns hotter. I’m excited to see how far both verses get, as of right now boruto is setting up something huge, and as usual logia’s continue to get off-screened as oda,wants to hide there shit.
No, it isn't. Naruto Rasensuriken damaged Madara because it's a Six path sage mode Attack. It has nothing to do with magma, it's Rasensuriken made with six path sage chakra. And dying in Magma realm because they have no way out and would eventually run out of Chakra to protect themselves and die. Naruto is Above planetary to Solar system, he is far stronger than Akainu and his Magma wouldn't do anything to Naruto.
Assuming for a second that the Aizen statement wasn’t done under KS, it would be an ability that every relevant character in Bleach has, since Aizen explicitly states that what he’s doing is a property of spiritual energy, not one of “his” abilities or a weakness of Soi Fon’s shikai. Also, I don’t think that the reasonable version of this argument was ever that Bleach characters can nullify hax just by being stronger, but by being *massively* stronger. So I don’t think the counterexamples provided early in the stream would hold. There’s a couple of other examples you could still use, like Gin nearly killing Aizen, but they all have counterarguments as far as I know.
can someone explain why these two always stop the video every twenty seconds? all these starts and stops makes it hard to understand what's going on. it's like they're more in love with the sounds of their own voices instead of letting a fair portion of the video play, then provide objective critiques? and, what's up with all the ad hominem fallacies?
@@fitnessstuff915 I love how I called out you people specifically and here you are. Maybe if you actually listened then maybe YOU could can provide better critiques. Or just, don’t watch my streams Lmao. I’m going to address every argument presented in the video in the pace that I’m comfortable with. Also, there were no ad hominems, we may have called him stupid or said the video sucks. But that’s just being simply insulting, it’s not an ad hominem. Allow me to explain this to you: Ad hominem: “Your argument sucks BECAUSE you are dumb” Insult: “Your argument sucks AND you’re dumb” See the difference? Also, a lot of the insults are simply for exaggeration. We don’t actually have any distain for the guy we’re watching.
@@surfbone hello surfbone. good videos. thank you. good learning opportunities for the community because you're a authority. but . . . with all the back and forth, we can't hear anything. and, what's up with all the name calling? it's like the hemingway thing the two of you talked about. and then there's barthes. thanks again.
@@fitnessstuff915 Well I appreciate the concern, but that’s kinda what a reaction stream is Lol. There’s no real managing it in a concise way without making a video. And it’s better to address the video as the arguments are being made. The problem with this video is that no one really makes the arguments he’s making for why they propose Verse Equalization. That’s why we made jokes about him being “The Strawman.” It’s an insult that was made based on what we saw. If you don’t like it, then my streams aren’t for you. Like I said in my previous comment. If you want to know why I think this video sucks, then you can either watch the stream or join my discord and we can talk about it.
@@distraityt I’m not gonna assume he’s scared because I’m not trying to be like “I’m gonna debunk you, join my server!” I’m just extending the invitation to talk if he is interested, Idc if he joins or not
@@-Burningzilla_YT- We actively talk about why we have created this concept for VS Battle discussions. We’re talking about it like it’s some thing all authors agree exist Lmao. It’s an idea we use to avoid pointless semantic games and actually talk about the fight itself.
@@surfbone instead of verse equalisation we should ignore verse-special power systems instead of taking it as they exist in both universes so it would be more like a logical matchup
@@-Burningzilla_YT- Dawg, that’s not what people are saying when we talk about verse equalization. Verse Equalization is saying that they should be able to interact with each other in a reasonable manner that’s consistent for both series. Where we skip the dumb semantics BS so we can actually talk about the matchup itself
@@surfbone that is not verse equalisation,this is what definition of hypotethical vs battles/matchups is,also no one uses semantics if it is not some fanfic crossover
Where do you think fate/nasuverse would scale. I think it is the strongest anime franchise with shin megami tensei on second and demon king daimao on 3rd. I use PSwiki for mkst of my nasuverse scale
2:14:10 I think One Piece characters with Conquerers Haki should be able to break out of Genjutsu. It makes sense to me since it's like a big flex of their willpower which to me seems similar to disrupting your Chakra flow. They would still need to realize they're caught though.
@@zachariaravenheart agreed
if i recall correctly the reason barragan wasnt rebelling is because aizen was too strong, without even considering kyoka
Gin said it and he added that the Espada wouldn't respect Aizen as they did if he used Kyoka Suigetsu on them to attain his rule.
I like to approach verse equalization as a writer would. As a writer myself, I think about how the writers for the respective series would likely combine their power systems as well as how each power can reasonably interact. I even designed my own power system with other systems in mind for inspiration and versus battle discussions.
2:10:10 It’s such a weird thing cuz we’ve seen magma injure the otsuski/ six paths characters. Yes there’s ap involved too but Naruto’s raven shuriken added with magma nature nearly killed madara and sliced the tree in half, then in boruto u have multiple times magma golems being used, once on the moon kuruma fighting a magma golem 2nd against momoshiki another magma golem that pushed both saskue and Naruto so far they needed to fuse with susanoo and kuruma.
But the biggest one is Kaguyas magma dimension where she herself said they would die here, as Naruto falls both Naruto and kakashi agree they would have died if they fell into the magma.
I see akainu as a Kaguya Harold representing the magma realm heck we had the ice dimension where both Naruto and saskue couldn’t physically break out even two was too slow, so saskue amateurse was the key.
But yes I do believe verse equalization is necessary as u would be taking away certain haxs from one side and inevitably favor the other, akainu weakness should be lighting as it burns hotter.
I’m excited to see how far both verses get, as of right now boruto is setting up something huge, and as usual logia’s continue to get off-screened as oda,wants to hide there shit.
No, it isn't. Naruto Rasensuriken damaged Madara because it's a Six path sage mode Attack. It has nothing to do with magma, it's Rasensuriken made with six path sage chakra. And dying in Magma realm because they have no way out and would eventually run out of Chakra to protect themselves and die.
Naruto is Above planetary to Solar system, he is far stronger than Akainu and his Magma wouldn't do anything to Naruto.
Assuming for a second that the Aizen statement wasn’t done under KS, it would be an ability that every relevant character in Bleach has, since Aizen explicitly states that what he’s doing is a property of spiritual energy, not one of “his” abilities or a weakness of Soi Fon’s shikai.
Also, I don’t think that the reasonable version of this argument was ever that Bleach characters can nullify hax just by being stronger, but by being *massively* stronger. So I don’t think the counterexamples provided early in the stream would hold. There’s a couple of other examples you could still use, like Gin nearly killing Aizen, but they all have counterarguments as far as I know.
btw for the novel ichibei thing, ut got nullified because the hollow had a piece of the soul king which nullified Ichibe's powers
did bro just implied that madara beats aizen 🥲
can someone explain why these two always stop the video every twenty seconds? all these starts and stops makes it hard to understand what's going on. it's like they're more in love with the sounds of their own voices instead of letting a fair portion of the video play, then provide objective critiques? and, what's up with all the ad hominem fallacies?
@@fitnessstuff915 I love how I called out you people specifically and here you are. Maybe if you actually listened then maybe YOU could can provide better critiques. Or just, don’t watch my streams Lmao. I’m going to address every argument presented in the video in the pace that I’m comfortable with.
Also, there were no ad hominems, we may have called him stupid or said the video sucks. But that’s just being simply insulting, it’s not an ad hominem. Allow me to explain this to you:
Ad hominem: “Your argument sucks BECAUSE you are dumb”
Insult: “Your argument sucks AND you’re dumb”
See the difference? Also, a lot of the insults are simply for exaggeration. We don’t actually have any distain for the guy we’re watching.
@@surfbone hello surfbone. good videos. thank you. good learning opportunities for the community because you're a authority. but . . . with all the back and forth, we can't hear anything. and, what's up with all the name calling?
it's like the hemingway thing the two of you talked about. and then there's barthes. thanks again.
@@fitnessstuff915 Well I appreciate the concern, but that’s kinda what a reaction stream is Lol. There’s no real managing it in a concise way without making a video. And it’s better to address the video as the arguments are being made. The problem with this video is that no one really makes the arguments he’s making for why they propose Verse Equalization. That’s why we made jokes about him being “The Strawman.” It’s an insult that was made based on what we saw. If you don’t like it, then my streams aren’t for you. Like I said in my previous comment.
If you want to know why I think this video sucks, then you can either watch the stream or join my discord and we can talk about it.
@@surfboneong. He's probably too scared to join the discord though lmao
@@distraityt I’m not gonna assume he’s scared because I’m not trying to be like “I’m gonna debunk you, join my server!” I’m just extending the invitation to talk if he is interested, Idc if he joins or not
Something happened with newer powerscalers where i feel that they are all disingenuous
@@dram3711 I definitely see that Lol
the funny part about verse equalisation is it not even a thing
It is
@@-Burningzilla_YT- We actively talk about why we have created this concept for VS Battle discussions. We’re talking about it like it’s some thing all authors agree exist Lmao. It’s an idea we use to avoid pointless semantic games and actually talk about the fight itself.
@@surfbone instead of verse equalisation we should ignore verse-special power systems instead of taking it as they exist in both universes so it would be more like a logical matchup
@@-Burningzilla_YT- Dawg, that’s not what people are saying when we talk about verse equalization. Verse Equalization is saying that they should be able to interact with each other in a reasonable manner that’s consistent for both series. Where we skip the dumb semantics BS so we can actually talk about the matchup itself
@@surfbone that is not verse equalisation,this is what definition of hypotethical vs battles/matchups is,also no one uses semantics if it is not some fanfic crossover
Where do you think fate/nasuverse would scale. I think it is the strongest anime franchise with shin megami tensei on second and demon king daimao on 3rd. I use PSwiki for mkst of my nasuverse scale