Mixing Drums Into Cassette - Building Texture
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2024
- This week I went to a friends house to process some drums. I was ill prepared and met with a lot of challenges. (Good work is all in the prep!) so the next morning I decided to give myself a redemption opportunity and re-process the drums instead of wallowing in failure.
This is the same session from my "Mixing Drums - "Vintage" Organic Style Using Plugins" except now I finished the process by running the analog chain and doing some cassette bouncing as-well.
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If wes anderson was a music producer
Something magical about tape saturated drums. Love the channel. Your level of creativity is inspiring. Thanks for the great videos
With 4 track cassette I ignore the meters completely and just hit it super hard. There is nothing about a cassette 4 track that is about retaining fidelity so I just blast it. The boost highs on the way in and cut when playing back trick can be a life saver. I also really preferred Tascam preamp saturation over Fostex most of the time. The Akai 614 units sounded really cool. I've switched to 2 and 4 track Reel to reel for most of my tape saturation because it is a little easier to get what I want fast. Keep it up. I love your channel.
That point about fidelity is bang on. Although sometimes I do notice my fostex clipping ugly so I gotta semi pay attention haha. One day I hope to acquire a Tascam. Akai is absolutely the kind of saturation in my humble opinion!
Ya, recording hard hits into "the red" onto cassette actually got a dope, hard sound.
This is great. More people should listen to tape and how it influences sonics for real.
So much nuance!
You got some nice analog gear. I was born and raised on those tascam portastudios, playing in punk bands in the 90s.
That’s legendary. Still got any tapes? You should upload that stuff!
Me too. I still got my Fostex X 18.
I love how rich and fat the low end sounds. Nice composition on the shots too!
Comin from you means a lot g 🤝🏼
You my friend, have a FANTASTIC ear for drums! 10/10.
Thank you!! I’m high key obsessed 🤣
I bought the Iridescent Loops pack, thanks sounds great...I would love more "One Shots", I am imagining there were more sounds in the project that could have been included. Thanks so much and keep up the great work!!!
Thank you for your support and feedback! Finding a happy medium has been a goal of mine. Some people believe it or not have complained about vvT packs having too many samples in the past. As far as the one shots in this pack, that is literally all of them. I too am a bigger fan of one shots, next time I will dedicate a longer amount of time collecting unique one shots 🫡
@@vvundertone That would be amazing, thanks for answering me! I have really been inspired by your samples...and am currently listening to Can - Ege Bamyasi ablum. I want more crunchy tape drums!!!
I have a Fostex cassette hanging around here... I'm going to put that to use soon, nice video!
I like the work you're doing.
ty!
Very nice sound!☺🥰
Thank you!
"I like when the gear fights me"
Never really put it to words but yeah, felt.
Keep it up dude! Digging the change of pace from typical geartube stuff.
Haha yea if it’s too easy then it’s not so fun 💀
When I was a kid I used to take my grandpas cassette tapes and put tissue in the botttom to record on them those were good times.
That’s beautiful. Something I love about these physical mediums is the memories attached. Imagine finding one of those tapes and listening today? You surely would be flooded with new memories of him!
@@vvundertone Yes I would laugh and get teary eyed at the same time ❤️
@2:46 with the meters goin bananas 👌
This is great. I’ve been going back to recording my drums through the old Yamaha mt50 and crushing it into my 303 (vinyl sim gang haha) that works so well for that hard hitting sound. I love what you’re doing and just subbed!
Appreciate you! That’s a great chain. Yamaha built some solid pieces with amazing spring reverb. And 303s are legendary!!
sounds sick
Really nice to listen to
Love your channel, I feel like you’d like the analog heat box if you’re okay with it not being full analog hahah but the tones you can unlock and fidelity it keeps is wild
I ain't no purist! Whatever gets the job done. Heard many good things about this box. Would love to try it one day.
Dope video, the sound at the end is killer 🔥
ty bro !
This is great, played guitar along some of the drum parts. So much fun. Could you share some for download?
Nice! I’m glad you enjoyed. The loops are in the description. I have yet to add a few to the free sampler pack yet but I will eventually.
Buddyyy how did you get the drums at 8:53 before going to tape? Pls was it 4 mics, stereo overheads, recorded hot or mild through compression to tape? Amazing starting point
I have a previous video titled "Mixing drums with plugins" that go over the process of getting these tones. As for original capture yes 4 mics, all mono. All dynamic mics. One over head, one snare, one kick and then a "above kick drum" mic. no compression, no tape. all straight to Apollo. Afterwords tiny bit of compression in the DBX 163 on kick and snare before hitting cassette. The sound really is the drummer and the drums. Nice vintage kit and great playing
@@vvundertone really appreciate the detailed response! Thanks. That drum mixing video is super helpful too. If you ever consider a drum recording video I think folks would dig that part of your process as well. Peace
Definitely a reminds me of can…good call
That band is so inspiring 😮💨
Oh my days that snare sound!
It came out not bad eh!
Wow!!! really nice skills!
Happy to share! I’m happiest when bouncing to tape!
Geoff Barrow (Portishead) used to bounce his drum tracks back and forth on cassette, eq'ing each time, until he got a sound he liked........that's a big part of the drum sound on Dummy.
Those are legendary drum tones. Sometimes once is not enough you gotta for the extra extra color!
Damn. This isn’t helping with my latest tape obsession
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@410 is the kick and the snare have any effects from the echoplex like a tiny bit of slap back ?sounds absolutely fantastic.
Yes the echo plex going dirty in the tape is adding a lot to that grungy sound indeed
interesting clip and informational channel!
new sub. 🙂
Thanks and welcome 🙏🏼💿💾🕳️
How are you bouncing your casette inputs from your 4 track seperately? On my four track I can only bounce a stereo mix from my four inputs into my DAW which really limits my mixing capacity.
which unit? my fostex luckily has 4 tape outs. if I was you, because I am stubborn I would track each one individually and time align. But don't listen to me, I am certified insane.
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@@vvundertone It's a Tascam 424 mkiii, looking it at it maybe I can bounce seperately. Before I was bouncing individually and aligining but getting massive phase issues.
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Interesting however I dont want effects like Reverb baked into the drum loop because then I cant mix or adjust it in the DAW.
Makes perfect sense. That is why for the digital loops we presented a dry and wet file to combine to taste.
I gotta ask, does music pay the bills? or hardly.
For the past year it has. But it’s taken a very long time to get to this point. And being laid off helped. To create sample packs, videos, art, and everything inbetween takes a ridiculous amount of time. Working a full time job, I just wouldn’t be able to move as fast as I do.
Please excuse my question, but is he putting an artists pre recorded drums through his analogue gear? Like he doesn't create the drums but engineers the sound?
Yes that is what I’m doing here. Although I do play drums too. It’s just recently I have been collaborating with more artists to expand the style of the sound packs.
@@vvundertone Thanks! I've never been able to create those lo fi kind of illmatic drums, I'll look at your sample packs
i hate how my Akai reel to reel just won't record all I got now is an old stereo tapedeck . But that's sort of ok...
Cmon AKAI! Get it together. Look into repairing it. Sometimes it’s not as difficult as we think. Also don’t forget it’s a beautiful microphone pre regardless of it recording to tape or not. Plug a mic in and output straight to DAW for nice juicy flavor!
but... you never told us what the magic tape was...
Ooos! I decided to use another RTM to keep it consistent 👌🏼
dig. good drummer.
Nico is smooth!
Fostex has a lot more depth in it's sound. I own three different Fostex' and five Tascam cassette recorder's and the Fostex almost always wins in the sound category.
you have quite the FLEET. Yet to use a Tascam myself, although it seems universally regarding as the best so your opinion surprised me! Good to hear, cheers
cool
why dont you use type 2 casette?
I do. I use it all honestly. It depends on my end goal. I used to use them exclusively but I started to realize the bass isn’t as smooth as type 1 and on this fostex they tend to distort much easier in a non-pleasing way. But I have both types near so I can make a decision based on the material I am working on.
I’m curious, which artists have inspired you and who do you enjoy listening to the most?
Growing up it was Sonic Youth, Radiohead, and Aphex Twin that really shaped my initial love of experimenting and creating outside of norms. These days I listen to Ebo Taylor, Sun Ra, Bakar, Cleo Sol, all early Memphis Phonk, and heavy on the Habibi Funk! (to name a few)
@@vvundertone nice ! i will check all of them
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Oh absolutely! I hear that too. The God Father
@@vvundertone I meant you! lol
For me i need to hear the room blend of the drumset in there or it will start to sound too separated and attacky. That's something compression or reverb can't make up for. The place where i can record drums atm has too dry sound so i've been trying to mess around with compression and reverb to get more depth to the sound but can't really get it. Usually i'm going for that 60's type of drumsound. These snappy sounds are great for Hip Hop thou
totally get that. too many close mics and things become hyper realistic and quite lame. Ever try re-amping your drums? Take speakers in a acoustically pleasant space and setup some room mics to record the natural ambience. Its a sure fire way to get the tone you desire. Just a lil extra work.
@@vvundertone Yeah i've done that with Vocals sometimes on a reverby bicycle storage room with one of my genelec monitors and micing the otherside of the room with one condenser mic. For drums i think i don't have access to a suiting place atm. Also recorded some already soaked in reverb acoustic guitar there. For drums i there's something so real sounding with a room mic captured with the original performance. Speaker might be the next best thing. Now i can remember i also tried the re-amping on that more reverby practice space i had and it lost something compared to a room mic. Yeah i had some mic pointing at the wooden sealing there. It made guitars sound great also. I need to find more reverby high sealing place again.
@@sinenkaari5477Crazy idea, but have you ever tried doing that (reamping) on a bathroom or something?
@@andriealinsangao613 What's the point you're making?
@@sinenkaari5477 What I meant by that is, put speakers in a space like a bathroom, play the drum tracks through said speakers and then record the results?
I have a deep love for pairing my 4 Yamaha MT50 with drum machines. I recently recorded something in that spirit using the 909 parameter on my Novation Drumstation and had lot of fun, both with the dry sound and many, many, many effects. Vid is available here: th-cam.com/video/3AUP97P8WUo/w-d-xo.html
Ty for sharing I’ll check it out!
TONE.
Can I get a thickness witness 🙌🏼
Fat & crunchy!
Indeed indeed!
Internet is the perfect place for wierd people.... Wtf is this....
This is me creating a sample pack 🤦🏼♀️
😂 keep practicing
I practice everyday because I do this for a livin bud.
Lets hear your music clown